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4:15 AM in the morning and it's dark, and weather depending, the fog and really get thick there too.
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Quoted: Harry Reid rated an airport? ![]() View Quote Reid didn't bother coming to the renaming ceremony "because of Covid" |
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Killed in the crash were Riese Lenders (pilot), 25, of Rancho Palos Verdes; Manuel Vargas-Regalado, 32, of Temecula; Abigail Tellez-Vargas, 33, of Murrieta; Ibrahem Razick, 46, of Temecula; Alma Razick, 51, of Temecula; and Lindsey Gleiche, 31, of Huntington Beach, according to the Riverside County Sheriff's Office. View Quote |
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Quoted: McCarran, who it used to be named after, didn't like the Jews (and I guess other racist crap. Ironically the Jews didn't like Reid, he had to elope because his wife's Jewish parents objected to her marrying Reid because he wasn't Jewish. Reid didn't bother coming to the renaming ceremony "because of Covid" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Harry Reid rated an airport? ![]() Reid didn't bother coming to the renaming ceremony "because of Covid" Fucker is dead now. Good riddance. Rumor is his brother beat the shit out of him the time he supposedly fell off his treadmill and busted up his face. Hope it hurt. Rural NV didn't like him. Only thing that kept him going was Las Vegas and Reno. One election cycle he flew in to Reno and his entourage drove to town. Somebody hung him in effigy outside city limits on the Reno Hwy. Good riddance! |
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Quoted: You can get a single pilot type waiver for the 550. View Quote Per the victim list posted above, it looks like that was the case. A likely fatigued and relatively inexperienced pilot (given his age) flying a jet to minimums as a single pilot. Doesn’t exactly leave a lot to the imagination given what we know. ![]() |
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Quoted: Per the victim list posted above, it looks like that was the case. A likely fatigued and relatively inexperienced pilot (given his age) flying a jet to minimums as a single pilot. Doesn’t exactly leave a lot to the imagination given what we know. ![]() View Quote Plus repeating an approach they just did seems like a waste. Could it have gotten better? Or did it get worse? Diverting to a towered Airport that's getting pireps and can adjust approach lighting seems like a better plan |
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Quoted: Plus repeating an approach they just did seems like a waste. Could it have gotten better? Or did it get worse? Diverting to a towered Airport that's getting pireps and can adjust approach lighting seems like a better plan View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Per the victim list posted above, it looks like that was the case. A likely fatigued and relatively inexperienced pilot (given his age) flying a jet to minimums as a single pilot. Doesn’t exactly leave a lot to the imagination given what we know. ![]() Plus repeating an approach they just did seems like a waste. Could it have gotten better? Or did it get worse? Diverting to a towered Airport that's getting pireps and can adjust approach lighting seems like a better plan To use a better plan, you have to actually have a better plan. Back side of the clock flying, single pilot, crappy weather to minimums with not much experience, is asking a lot. |
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Survived impact but JetA engulfed them in flames, to a fiery death. Not the way to go…
![]() Proper game plan was to divert to another field with better landing conditions? |
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Quoted: Charged fuselage? Like electric? View Quote Like most FAA fatality reports, most are inconclusive, even with video recordings of crash. So being an FAA crash inspector puts your report logic at wits within the inaccuracies of a local TV weatherman. Shit job, good pay, but who gives a fuck if you are right because you get a Govt. paycheck with excellent benefits, and the dead don’t complain… |
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Wonder if the pilot was considering diverting but got pressured by the passengers to land? I would think a young pilot like that would be super cautious.
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Quoted: Like most FAA fatality reports, most are inconclusive, even with video recordings of crash. So being an FAA crash inspector puts your report logic at wits within the inaccuracies of a local TV weatherman. Shit job, good pay, but who gives a fuck if you are right because you get a Govt. paycheck with excellent benefits, and the dead don't complain View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Charged fuselage? Like electric? Like most FAA fatality reports, most are inconclusive, even with video recordings of crash. So being an FAA crash inspector puts your report logic at wits within the inaccuracies of a local TV weatherman. Shit job, good pay, but who gives a fuck if you are right because you get a Govt. paycheck with excellent benefits, and the dead don't complain |
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Not in aviation but NFW I would trust my life to a single 25 year old pilot!
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Quoted: Wonder if the pilot was considering diverting but got pressured by the passengers to land? I would think a young pilot like that would be super cautious. . View Quote My thought given the age is that he was unable to be pilot in command and either say NO for the flight or divert if one carefully done approach showed it to be unsafe. |
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Quoted: Survived impact but JetA engulfed them in flames, to a fiery death. Not the way to go… ![]() Proper game plan was to divert to another field with better landing conditions? View Quote Diverting early is usually the best course of action. But depending on the age of avionics, the first he might have known the weather was shit was a controller or ATIS reception. |
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ATIS is talking to an inanimate ATC. It’s gives current conditions, which could change rapidly. I want a real voice, on a tower to help me decide if a landing is go, or no go.
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Quoted: You can get a single pilot type waiver for the 550. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Is the C550 a single pilot rated aircraft? Between the weather, where the crash was, and the fact the aircraft was very active leading up to the crash, those holes in the Swiss cheese are already starting to appear. ![]() You can get a single pilot type waiver for the 550. Most insurance companies will give a big “fuck you” to that |
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That being said I know of a high time delta pilot that landed well below mins on a gps approach cause he needed to get home. People do stupid shit.
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Quoted: Quoted: ATIS is talking to an inanimate ATC. It’s gives current conditions, which could change rapidly. I want a real voice, on a tower to help me decide if a landing is go, or no go. Never did 135 air ambulance, I see ATC isn't the approach police. If the pilot says they want the approach, then they get the approach. |
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Quoted: Assuming it's Part 91, it's legal to look/see the approach. If it's Part 135/121, that's not allowed. You need the visibility to commence the approach. View Quote Either way, giving him the benefit of the doubt that it was a Part 91 flight (which it doesn't seem it was), he had his look on the first approach, and it sucked bad enough that he couldn't see the runway. That's the time he should have just gone to an alternate instead of trying again in the same shit Wx. It wasn't going to get any better in that 5 minutes. Quoted: Because the pax had their cars at French Valley and we're giving them shit because they wanted to divert to ONT? Not an unusual scenario. View Quote Wouldn't be surprised, but better to be slightly inconvenienced and alive than turned into crispy critters in a fiery crash. Seems it's called PILOT in command, not PASSENGER in command for a reason. He was being paid to do pilot shit, and sometimes that means saying "no" to passengers. I'm sure his bosses at the 135 operation would have been pissed at him for a couple hours, but again, better to be fired than be ON fire. |
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Quoted: Diverting early is usually the best course of action. But depending on the age of avionics, the first he might have known the weather was shit was a controller or ATIS reception. View Quote No ATIS. AWOS-3. CTAF/UNICOM: 122.8 WX AWOS-3: 119.025 (951-696-1018) MARCH APPROACH: 133.5 134.0 MARCH DEPARTURE: 133.5 134.0 WX AWOS-3PT at HMT (11 nm NE): 118.375 (951-925-6886) WX AWOS-3P at L18 (15 nm SW): 118.425 (760-723-6073) |
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Quoted: Partly why I wonder if the AWOS said the same thing as the METAR, but I bet we'll never know. View Quote I am assuming that the METAR is derived from the airport (F70) AWOS system that broadcasts that data on the AWOS frequency and is also sent to some external facility since it does show up on aviation related websites. I just checked Airnav.com for a local airport and the METAR listed there is 21 minutes old. Update...now one is nine minutes old. |
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Pilot, 26, and car dealership owner, 46, who are among six people killed in California plane crash when jet missed the runway in heavy fog - as their devastated friends pay tributes
![]() Victims of a horrific plane crash where the aircraft burst into flames killing all six people inside have been identified by authorities. They included the pilots, Riese Lenders, 25, of Rancho Palos Verdes, and 32-year-old Manuel Vargas-Regalado of Temecula, as well as his wife, 33-year-old Abigail Tellez-Vargas. Ibrahem Razick, 46, who goes by Abe, and 51-year-old Alma Razick of Temecula and Lindsey Gleiche, 31, of Huntington Beach, were also killed. Pictures and tributes have poured in for Lenders, who was remembered as a 'great man.' 'RIP Riese Lenders we were just getting going young blood! You went out this morning doing what you loved and truly mad you stoked daily,' one social-media post read. 'You will be remembered as my friend, my pilot and one hell of a great man! So fun and so in tune with life. You were a pleasure to be around. 'We will deeply miss your presence. Love all of us here at the Mamelli Family. You were adopted a while ago. I will miss you buddy.' The 25-year-old appeared to love the outdoors, often posting on social media his adventures including skiing, surfing and camping. Ibrahem Razick, who also goes by Abraham, was a car dealer and ex-marine. Fullerton Ford and Hyundai/Kia Yuma both posted their condolences as they mourned the 46-year-old they described as a 'loving husband, father, brother and proud United States Marine.' 'Today our hearts are heavy in the Fullerton Ford OC family. Our owner Abraham Razick, tragically passed away yesterday. He was a loving husband, father, brother, and proud United States Marine,' the posts read. 'His spirit and passion for life will not be forgotten along with his commitment to making his community a better place. Honor, courage, and commitment are values he learned serving in the Marine Corps and values he lived by everyday. 'Rest easy, Abe. You'll forever be in our hearts. Semper Fi, Marine.' Continued |
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I remember one time in the sim when doing a low non precision approach. I busted out and spotted the runway but was way off centerline and started to turn towards it. My sim partner said "this is exactly what it looks like just before you die" "go around I said. That has always stuck with me and served me well.
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Quoted: ATIS is talking to an inanimate ATC. It’s gives current conditions, which could change rapidly. I want a real voice, on a tower to help me decide if a landing is go, or no go. View Quote That's not real in commercial aviation. Doubly so in 135 or professional 91. As an instructor, you drum into studs "how does every instrument approach terminate?" The correct answer is "a missed approach." The crew determines the conditions of a safe landing. ATC/CTAF is there to assist in traffic flow and separation. |
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Quoted: Most insurance companies will give a big “fuck you” to that View Quote As they should, but certainly not common where I was at when I was doing lots of light jet and turboprop stuff. Throw in 135, and the FSDO might make you choose between single pilot or crew for all operations in that type. Multiple FSDOs have held that single pilot 135 approval in a type of aircraft means no one can occupy the the other seat. Others have allowed for a mild deviation in that regard. YMMV. |
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Quoted: Wonder if the pilot was considering diverting but got pressured by the passengers to land? I would think a young pilot like that would be super cautious. . View Quote I can only answer for myself, but in my case, it was the exact opposite. I found caution with experience and age. The things I did as a 25 year old Eagle Driver........... |
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Quoted: I am assuming that the METAR is derived from the airport (F70) AWOS system that broadcasts that data on the AWOS frequency and is also sent to some external facility since it does show up on aviation related websites. I just checked Airnav.com for a local airport and the METAR listed there is 21 minutes old. Update...now one is nine minutes old. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Partly why I wonder if the AWOS said the same thing as the METAR, but I bet we'll never know. I am assuming that the METAR is derived from the airport (F70) AWOS system that broadcasts that data on the AWOS frequency and is also sent to some external facility since it does show up on aviation related websites. I just checked Airnav.com for a local airport and the METAR listed there is 21 minutes old. Update...now one is nine minutes old. AWOS is a snapshot that is not updated often enough to be trustworthy. I have landed when AWOS was reporting wind 180 degrees from the current condition. Visibility reporting should not be trusted, it's slightly better than simply guessing from where you sit. |
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Quoted: That being said I know of a high time delta pilot that landed well below mins on a gps approach cause he needed to get home. People do stupid shit. View Quote In a Delta jet or his own aircraft? I have never heard of that in the airline. I did it twice in the military as the only other option besides ejecting. But military flying is different, sometimes circumstances you have no control over, puts you in a situation with very limited options and you do what you have to do. |
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Quoted: Not the first time a pilot got a case of get thereitis in the soup. I heard the offer to divert from the tower to this pilot. He decided to continue his approach into the small airport rather than the properly equipped and less socked in airport. Not long after I was forwarded a text from a passenger that I know on it. He was sitting in the right seat for the ride. His head went into the panel and cut him up pretty good. He described what he saw and heard. The annunciator was barking "too low. Terrain" over and over until the yoke holder quipped "shut the fuck up" and muted it. Then he saw the field come into the window at almost the same instant as the plane hit the field. Luckily noone was killed. https://live.staticflickr.com/5665/30384817304_49cf49e1d4_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/5679/30400552664_2d79ecea04_b.jpg Missed it by that much... 1/4 mile short. The pilot was very experienced too. He knew better. View Quote Good grief... ![]() |
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Dude only got his instrument rating in 2019. He had no business in that plane.
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Quoted: Dude only got his instrument rating in 2019. He had no business in that plane. View Quote The FAA said he was fine..... but see the note ![]() Certificate: COMMERCIAL PILOT Date of Issue: 4/10/2023 Ratings: COMMERCIAL PILOT AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE Type Ratings: C/CE-500 Limits: ENGLISH PROFICIENT. CE-500 SECOND IN COMMAND REQUIRED. |
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Quoted: The FAA said he was fine..... but see the note ![]() Certificate: COMMERCIAL PILOT Date of Issue: 4/10/2023 Ratings: COMMERCIAL PILOT AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE Type Ratings: C/CE-500 Limits: ENGLISH PROFICIENT. CE-500 SECOND IN COMMAND REQUIRED. View Quote Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. |
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Quoted: The FAA said he was fine..... but see the note ![]() Certificate: COMMERCIAL PILOT Date of Issue: 4/10/2023 Ratings: COMMERCIAL PILOT AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND INSTRUMENT AIRPLANE Type Ratings: C/CE-500 Limits: ENGLISH PROFICIENT. CE-500 SECOND IN COMMAND REQUIRED. View Quote ![]() |
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Quoted: Just because you can, doesn’t mean you should. View Quote Could he though?? Read the last line. Needed a Second In Command. Who is that supposed to be? It sure wasn't the dealership owner- IBRAHEM H RAZICK Airman opted-out of releasing address Medical Information: No Medical Information Available Certificates STUDENT PILOT Certificates Description Certificate: STUDENT PILOT Date of Issue: 4/21/2023 Limits: CARRYING PASSENGERS IS PROHIBITED. |
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That first paying pilot job is always the most dangerous. My first job was flying banners in Myrtle Beach, had several close calls and a brush with death, it's the nature of that business. My second job was flying cargo...err checks. It was my first 135 gig. My boss told me on day one that turning down a flight was not an option, I had to go no matter what. I flew thru my first thunderstorm, single pilot on that job. Scared the shit outa' me. It's easy to get sucked in when your livelihood depends on it and the boss is counting on you. Luckily I survived with no incidents, accidents or infractions.
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