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Posted: 8/29/2023 9:16:22 PM EDT

The U.S. argues that entering the Titanic’s severed hull — or physically altering or disturbing the wreck — is regulated by federal law and its agreement with Britain. Among the government’s concerns is the possible disturbance of artifacts and any human remains that may still exist.

“RMST is not free to disregard this validly enacted federal law, yet that is its stated intent,” U.S. lawyers argued in court documents filed Friday. They added that the shipwreck “will be deprived of the protections Congress granted it.”

https://apnews.com/article/titanic-expedition-rmst-marconi-radio-ce027ac27d8f4804304b5f33fa471dda
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:18:18 PM EDT
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If they make the sub out of carbon fiber they don’t really need to worry about it.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:18:58 PM EDT
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2023 is going to be the year the death toll at the titanic increases.

Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:19:42 PM EDT
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Who gives a fuck what happens down there?
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:20:54 PM EDT
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Not in US waters and wasn’t a US flagged vessel. Yawn
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:22:43 PM EDT
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how does US law apply over 200 miles outside our borders at the bottom  of the ocean ?

seems a bit of a stretch to me
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Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:23:09 PM EDT
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What... the US wants to control shit two miles below the surface of the ocean in international waters? The hell you say! Evidently we're going all Spain on shit now.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:23:14 PM EDT
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Soon:

Titanic 3, humanity 0
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:24:20 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:24:48 PM EDT
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Let them go, think of the Scientific value all this is.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:24:49 PM EDT
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It is the resting place of 119 Americans. I think that gives us some say.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:24:58 PM EDT
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We need to show as much concern for our own problems.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:40:59 PM EDT
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Anyone that messes with actual US sunken ships (not the Titantic) should join them down there permanently.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:44:11 PM EDT
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Send BLM down there to hate on the gravesite.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:47:17 PM EDT
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I have zero problems with this as long as it's done with respect for the dead and we can learn from it.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:48:27 PM EDT
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They don't want anyone getting close enough to see that it wasn't an iceberg that sank it.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:48:36 PM EDT
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Protected by UNESCO and by treaty to which the US is a signatory.

Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:49:41 PM EDT
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The same way they can read every email and text you send without a warrant, and you have no way to know whether or not they did it.

Also, at that depth, temp and pressure, there are no more human remains. Even teeth and bone will disintegrate. This is already well established.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:50:20 PM EDT
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Now do the US warship wrecks in the Java Sea. Come on Congress......
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:50:28 PM EDT
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So the US Government cares about the borders of the Titanic and intruding on it?
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:51:02 PM EDT
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Hopefully, The Biden clan will get greedy enough to take the Clintons, Obamas and the Bush's on a snorkeling trip.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:51:42 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:55:03 PM EDT
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Yup. They only care about what they care about, and it's sure as shit not regular Americans.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:57:18 PM EDT
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Yup. They only care about what they care about, and it's sure as shit not regular Americans.
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The new "regular Americans" are running across the border (chainsaw float be damned) in record numbers.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 9:59:39 PM EDT
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IIRC, someone mentioned that to James Cameron, and he said he'd never seen a body in all of his time there.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:00:13 PM EDT
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Agreed but what Oceangate did was scummy for sure.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:01:35 PM EDT
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I didn't know we're in charge of any area that Americans die in.

We should own Guyana with the amount Jim Jones killed down there.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:01:49 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:01:57 PM EDT
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RMS Titanic Inc. I think owns the rights to the wreck. They are based in Atlanta, GA. I think you have to get approval from them to dive the site or something.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:05:50 PM EDT
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If they didnt want people messing with their grave, they shouldnt have sank in international waters.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:14:28 PM EDT
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This exactly. Who made America the world police?
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:32:39 PM EDT
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They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:37:55 PM EDT
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Not a who, more of a what, World War 2 two be specific.

This country has been and will remain the worlds police force until the US military is completely incapable of power projection.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:39:07 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:42:07 PM EDT
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Chinese salvage site for that prime steel.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:43:50 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:44:33 PM EDT
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Sounds like this is the company that has already salvaged many items from the site.  They actually know what they are doing.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:48:02 PM EDT
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China probably scrapped most of the shallower ones by now.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:53:46 PM EDT
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The big guy will have his 10%.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 10:59:42 PM EDT
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The Titanic was Epsteined?

What did it know about Edward VIII?
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 11:46:41 PM EDT
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Let them go. Exploring old wrecks has been done forever.
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 11:53:24 PM EDT
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As much that has already been brought up from that site, now they have an issue?
Link Posted: 8/29/2023 11:59:54 PM EDT
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NO one can see the tear in the hull it's under the sediment. Maybe under that sediment there is no tear and they never want that discovered. Maybe even the imposion was faked and no one died. I did hear that rumor.
Link Posted: 8/30/2023 12:10:03 AM EDT
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Honestly the US needs to fuck off and let people do what they want.

With that said it needs to be very clear that the US coast guard will not be responding to future emergencies related to exploring the titanic. Stupid to waste tax payers money to rescue a bunch of stupid billionaires who take unnecessary risks.
Link Posted: 8/30/2023 12:13:41 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/30/2023 12:20:47 AM EDT
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Probably a bunch of preban ceiling fans down there.
Link Posted: 8/30/2023 12:20:50 AM EDT
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Why are my taxes paying for government lawyers to argue this?

Huge waste of money. We are reaching the point where the weight of government bureaucracy suffocates private enterprise.
Link Posted: 8/30/2023 12:21:02 AM EDT
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The U.S. will be footing the bill no matter what.
Link Posted: 8/30/2023 12:27:23 AM EDT
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Pretty hypocritical from the folks that snatched up K-129.
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