It is sort of sad, but it’s not much different than all the mass-produced “art” out there.

A minority of people will continue to purchase real art produced by real people, and the rest will buy their mass produced garbage.

Sticking with commercial art, the only limiting factor is time and the game is variations governed by the producer’s sensibility/taste/etc. There is no romance in the struggle of production. That is only the mastery of a tool (brush/camera/program/etc.)

I used to laugh about people abandoning technology but I believe the pace will rapidly increase with AI becoming pervasive.

We live in interesting times.

People still ride horses, and eat dinner lit by hand poured candles despite all our inventions being objectively better.

Yeah, this will cause changes, some good some bad, just like every technology before it. If you think the scale is somehow different I'd suggest you might not appreciate how far we've already come in the last few hundred years.

I agree.  Paintings, music, literature, the whole she-bang.

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That sounds exactly like what an AI would say

Nearly perfect knock-offs have never replaced the demand for the genuine.

Diluted the demand, maybe... but in many cases just increased the value and prestige of the genuine.

I suspect a similar pattern here.

I appreciate you making this thread because it means you care, as long as there are still people like you, I, and many others out there that can acknowledge the difference of skill sets between methods it means that art forms wont die.

I'm a classically trained cellist, and the way you feel is exactly how I felt about Hans Zimmer. In case you don't know, his songs such as on the Interstellar soundtrack are not played by an orchestra, they are played by a very complex synth program to sound indistinguishable from an actual orchestra. I've been terrified of his success as I felt it would result in a sweeping wave of removing orchestras across the country to replace them with only a few composers with computers.

Over time I've realized its a two way street, sometimes art may come in a combination of creativity and production, and historically it trended this way, but I feel the ceiling gets raised for quality when you allow those that are really creative to skip the effort of production and focus all on creativity or vice versa. Its really funny because I as an instrumentalist enjoy listening to electronic music the most on my free time. This has to do with me changing my perspective on the genre from being a performance based experience to a creativity based composition.

But when I have the chance to see a great symphony production of Shostakovich or the likes I am still dumbfounded with the cohesion and art of the performance of each individual player and how they act together.

While I don't know how this will all work out with AI art, I can't help but see the similarities to the concepts and experiences I know to find true, so as another person put really well.
Just buckle up and look for the positive, who knows what will happen. Art is supposed to surprise you.

It's the next wave of digital wave.

If the industry didn't learn from the CDs in the 1980s, DVDs in the 1990s, Napster (the old real one), file sharing ... they'll never learn.

They want the artificial domain to have the same property rights, ownership of one's own imagine to start with, as we have in the physical domain. The laws cover when you can and cannot expect privacy and what may and may not be done with a captured imagine. Keep in mind some cities and states have laws that clearly restrict the execution of the 1st Amendment. (looking at you Hollywood, Los Angeles county, and others).

The goal of art used to mostly be creating emotion with the best realism the state of the art could muster, which resulted in the great works of the renaissance.  Then print technology and photography improved and made realistic art dirt cheap, making it nearly impossible for 87% of lesser or less lucky artists to make a living from realistic art, and not coincidentally realistic art got clobbered and surreal art took off.  Now AI makes realistic and surreal art dirt cheap.  

I suppose pottery is going to get really popular for the handful of years before household robots become common and start making superb vases and whatnot.

We're getting close to the point where we need a Butlerian Jihad.

Art is just one facet of the issue. I've read several posters downplaying the impact of AI saying it's just switches and it can't produce anything it isn't told to, but emergent behaviors destroy that argument.

The only hope I see for the human side of this equation is that we'll have the opportunity to monetize human connection to a much greater degree. It could conceivably make things like education and community better but we don't have any of the economic or social theory required yet.

The economic/warfare side of the equation is just plain terrifying.

If AI was used to write music or a screenplay would you call it just a tool?

Ive been using AI art to make concepts, but I think you need an actual artist to round out the edges.

Thats a real slippery slope

when does efficiency turn from a little help to "I just need to churn some copy, let me throw a prompt into ChatGPT for this novel. *write great American novel*"

Pretty much. And it's very insidious.

It all depends on who filters data in/out and who own's the dataset and what their political intents are. They'll use the raw data away they see fit and filter it against whom ever the socialist see fit all on behalf of the government who if they did it directly would be in direct violation of congressional spending laws.

Art and music is the spice and flavor that washes away our bland existence.going to see live music with no musicians on the stage and some front man with "wild" make up and a lazer light show is what the masses want I guess?Seeing b#tthole surfers or black flag in early 80s in a bar venue not knowing if there will be a fight or riot is a rush few will ever experience.Our culture is a copy of an imitation,of a Xerox....do people get what they deserve or deserve what they get?probably a little of both...oh well...enjoy your pixelated images...

@Honeypot_DMZ what did you use to create that?

Dude, no way you're serious.

I'm not a professional by any stretch of the imagination, but I have a decent camera and lenses and I think I'm pretty good.

Are there some few instances where just pressing a button will do? Sure, but for the most part, decent photography is orders of magnitude more complex than just pressing a button.

A massive amount of effort goes into what seems like a simple image before the button is even pressed, timing and planning, sometimes it's stupid hard to get into position, many variables both within and just on the edge of the photog's control. AI, as good as it is, takes a lot of that away.

Think of it someone who puts the effort into training, to being damn good and them coming better, they shoot until accuracy and speed are John Wick good, they exercise their body and their brain, put hours or years into becoming what they are, then all of a sudden, some fatty basement dweller like me presses a button and in 2 seconds becomes everything the original guy has put so much effort to become. It's not bad for the fat and lazy and probably won't be the end of life as we know it, bt it takes the soul out of what is created. I don't know, it's not a big deal, but I like my stuff real and authentic, in a World of fake everything, personal, original art in all its forms and the effort put into making it real will be sad to lose.

yeah, read more bro

AI will most certainly be put in charge of the economy.  The history of the past several centuries is absolute proof that humankind has no fucking idea how to operate an economy.  Supposedly a dozen people in the whole world truly understand the economy, but I think even that is a gross exaggeration.  Whoever gets their AI directed economy working first is going to take off like a rocket, and have no idea how, though they'll insist they do.

What site are you using to make stuff like that?

Did the AI decide to write music or a screenplay on its own? There is still the same “art director/producer” thought process being employed by the human.

There are so many projects that I have in my head that I would love to create, but I just don’t have the time to master the production methods. If AI can get me 75% there in a fraction of the time, it would open up so many options.

Don’t romanticize method, celebrate results.

It has nothing to do with being a good artist. When it's found to be cheaper and easier to write music and screenplays with AI that's all we're going to get. Yay.

And eventually the computer learns what people like so much ... that it's able to consistently produce art work that people, or you like. A democracy driven art monster with no soul.

AI will custom make movies feature avatars/personas of viewers inside movies with 3D "ride alongs" where the viewer's inputs change the "movie". Movies can be bent/twisted to suit your tastes.

I would love for my un-woke, rational, adult world to come back and allowing me as a grown man to remove the woke filtering that's happing with streaming content and I shutter to think of the AI future warped Monty Python, Mel Gibson, Richard Prior, and John Belushi are going to act like.

Yeah it is interesting for voice acting. There are mods that make the protagonist of Cyberpunk 2077 sound like Harrison Ford, circa Blade Runner filming. AI redid all of the dialogue in the game. On one hand it is nice for smaller budget games or preserving someone's voice if they pass away before sequel is done.

But it does make me wonder how AI trained accents will influence real human accents. For example, lets say you want to do an authentic southern accent, but you cannot find an actor/actress with such an accent. Someone might just use the AI, and train it on various videos with various southern accents. The result may be a mixed, not exactly true to life accent but one that sounds close enough. If a lot of games/movies/whatever start using similar but fake accents, people growing up who consume said media can become influenced by "AI accents". It is quite interesting to think about.

I can also see AI trained accents being used as a reference in foreign learning/accent training for real actors.

I'm not romanticism method. I'm questioning where the results come from and why that matters. If Chris Cornell didn't have his fucked up life/thoughts/artistic inspiration would his music exist? Would Ai be able to come up with it? Probably not.

I'm more interested in seeing AI's ability to meme.

The crazy part is there will be a niche market for non AI generated media and it will command a premium.

Well OP, now you know what art is worth to most people.

I think at first you're right. That the artwork will be amazing and compelling but lacking something.

Future generations of the software will do better and be able to fool you completely. I would bet within 6-years.

I'm playing with an Apple Vision and it has some jaw dropping effects and shows amazing promise.

Compelling, entertaining, and different than real. Wether people will accept an avatar or persona is to be seen.

Imo the AI replicating the great art that had been made is far lesser

If the consumers gobble up cheap AI written art while actual artists languish, then that's what humanity deserves. It will be interesting to see artists get less pretentious now that they have competition though, no more putting a pile of garbage on a pedestal and selling it as some complex take on humanity.

Hollywood artists cut their own throat with corporate DEI ejecting generations of master craftsmen and replacing them with diverse woke idiots and a censorship manual six inches thick that gets revised four times a week.  AI is going to have no problem competing with those retards.  Same thing is coming for music.

My youngest daughter loves to make art.  She plays with paints, clay, all kinds of stuff.  But she's 7 and while I do support and encourage her to do it for fun, I am sure that a career in any kind of design field will be very hard to get in the coming years due to AI.

I am a hobby level photographer and never sold a photo.  But I did donate one to a charity auction and it went for $80.

I have used "modern" photo editing software occasionally.  I would have used it a lot more if it were easier to learn.  But the trouble is as a hobbyist, if you only occasionally need to use obscure features of the software, you haventonre-learn it.  Spend hours reading and watching videos just to get one effect into one photo.


Now as AI improves, I can see feeding it your base image and then just telling it in plain English exactly the editing operations you want done to the photo.  For example, "Only change the saturation level of the sky by negative 14 percent and make no other changes to the image".  This would be no different than separating out the sky as a layer andmaking the saturation adjustment manually.  But if it's not something you do regularly and the GUI is unfamiliar, it can take a novice photographer a long time to do what is a simple operation for someone who edits images for hours every day.  

The ability to tell an AI to do it will speed up the process for the casual user, and still be able to preserve those elements of the image the human photographer wants to display.  Now you can put a camera on a tripod and take 50 pictures of a famous landmark with people walking all around.  Then tell the AI to stack the images and remove everything that doesn't appear in all 50 frames.  Just like that you have one image of the landmark with zero tourists in it.

Currently, this can be done in software.  But I don't care if you use Adobe or Affinity Photo, or whatever, if you have never done it, you will have to spend a lot of time learning how.  

If we are going to be stuck with AI, we should find ways to use it to make producing genuine human art more convenient for the artist, rather than using it to replace human art.

AI art (music, screenplays) can pretty much just take all of the existing material and make varying recreations of it.

It isn't taking over because it's better. It is because it's cheap and easier and people will consume it.  

Reducing all of human creative expression to a program.

You are not the first person I have heard say that, but I was surprised the first time I heard it. The guy was a professional at a defense contractor and said he used it frequently to generate boilerplate or initial drafts of documents that he would revise. Time saver.

AI will never be able to simulate ennui, clove cigarettes and unemployed despair.

At least until the Sirius Cybernetics corporation comes up with this guy.

I guess the difference is the garbage being peddled by a computer program, versus some stinky kid with a worthless degree wearing leather pants.

AI is definitely shaking things up.

Electronic music is cheaper and easier than spending decades to learn an instrument, yet we still do it.

The argument has long been held that everything is derivative on that which came before.

Hell, there are 7 classical types of stories that just about everything falls under.

The ability to meme is being removed by its programmers.  There's a Stonetoss for that, too.