[ARCHIVED THREAD] - ARIZONA REGULATOR dropped America’s FRT in EE - Q&A ask the Inventor/Manufacturer (Page 15 of 21)
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My triggers video may help Explains Mil-Spec MBT **REDACTED** And explains some of the mechanics of my system This was done long before I released the M2 series The mechanics still apply perfectly to the **REDACTED** trigger I set up on The original AZR-15 in video is the same unit but the AZR-15M2-**REDACTED** is a factory preset unit instead ( eta actual **REDACTED** in video is same actual SSA in picture I posted here ) **REDACTED** ( ETA 07-22-25 **REDACTED** Means any trigger you may decide to try with our new AZR-15M2-R unit configuration. We will no longer name other triggers unless the manufacturer submits a letter to use asking us to name thier trigger(s) as we have received a Cease and Desist from one trigger manufacturer. Many brand triggers out on the market may fall within this **REDACTED** parameter which means triggers that have a disconnector that will push down into the trigger bar which is the condition which makes this a factory Pre Set 100% Drop In as stated herin. You can modify the top of a Mil-Spec Disconnector to use with this unit so the disconnector pushes down into the trigger bar if you want to set up and be able remove the unit and shoot normally whenever you like.  )
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So the issue isn't necessarily the length of the short tail disconnectors on SSA-Es or certain SSAs (or other G triggers) but rather the geometry on the top of the rear of the disconnector, yes? Sticks up too proud to allow that lower cam leg on the regulator to function properly, right? Asking because the shape on the top of these two different SSA disconnector pictures posted on page 14 just don't look all that different to me. If anything, the longer one looks like it would be the problem one going by the explanation in that video. eta: For what its worth, looking at what I've got again... all the SSA-Es appear to have that short tail disconnector. My SDE appears to be the longer one. Also long one for the Super T. |
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Had a question about the M2 model. Dry cycling while holding the trigger, the hammer seems to be able to be releasing way early before the bolt is locked. Like it is having hammer follow if you ran a regular rifle without a disconnector installed. Seems as if the trigger travel isn't being held down by the leg of the M2 as the bolt is slowly moving forward. FCG is milspec. UPDATE Figured out the issue. Put a couple pieces of tape on the bottom of the leg that rests against the disconnector and it stopped the trigger from being pulled far enough until it was locked fully. Guess my rifle just has a looser tolerance for how much you fit the M2 units. Problem is, is my FCG out of tolerance, or is the leg on the M2 just too short? My FCG is a A1 Colt that has been converted to semi-only. (cutting the tail off the hammer and disconnector) Lower is an older NDS A1. |
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Quoted: Had a question about the M2 model. Dry cycling, the hammer seems to be able to be releasing early, resulting in hammer follow. Like the trigger travel isn't being held down by the leg of the M2.. Here’s some pastes with info Long as you are within these parameters there is no reason it won’t do what we show it to do What you need: 1. ARIZONA REGULATOR 2. Mil-Spec AR Rifle or Pistol 3. Mil-Spec FA BCG 4. Trigger Mil-Spec / **REDACTED** / MBT 5. Buffer 5.56 = 5.0+oz / 9mm = 10+oz WEIGHTS MUST RATTLE It is that simple. No guesswork. This is the old school setup your own AZR-15 for M2 config info that is in every package with every unit we ship AZR-15 Method 2 Instructions: Verify safe condition, mag removed, chamber empty Verify Buffer weight Selector in Fire position Tip Reciver open Mil-Spec remove Disconnector Spring Manually cock Hammer Top Cam vert position Insert AZR-15 into Upper Reciver Pocket Tip reciver closed Very slowly pull charging handle to rear while tapping trigger Feel trigger travel shorten then lengthen as BCG moves rearward If BCG stops or trigger goes solid prior to BCG full travel remove a couple thuo of material at the AZR-15 to trigger bar contact area. Perform Function Check AZR-15 Method 2 Function Check: Lock BCG to rear Hit bolt catch to release BCG BCG goes forward and disengages AZR-15 Allows you to pull trigger Hammer drops Mil-Spec reinstall Disconnector Spring. ( ETA 07-22-25 **REDACTED** Means any trigger you may decide to try with our new AZR-15M2-R unit configuration. We will no longer name other triggers unless the manufacturer submits a letter to use asking us to name thier trigger(s) as we have received a Cease and Desist from one trigger manufacturer. Many brand triggers out on the market may fall within this **REDACTED** parameter which means triggers that have a disconnector that will push down into the trigger bar which is the condition which makes this a factory Pre Set 100% Drop In as stated herin. You can modify the top of a Mil-Spec Disconnector to use with this unit so the disconnector pushes down into the trigger bar if you want to set up and be able remove the unit and shoot normally whenever you like. )
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Quoted: Had a question about the M2 model. Dry cycling while holding the trigger, the hammer seems to be able to be releasing way early before the bolt is locked. Like it is having hammer follow if you ran a regular rifle without a disconnector installed. Seems as if the trigger travel isn't being held down by the leg of the M2 as the bolt is slowly moving forward. FCG is milspec. Something dawned on me so had to log back in and get the info to you now You might have a non compatible disconnector Check out the o e I include in the package with every M2 If yours is different use the one I provided Paste from product description Qty 1 - ARIZONA REGULATOR AZR-15M2 FRT Trigger Device Qty 1 - Standard Mil-Spec Disconnector / Use if needed some disconnectors are not to Mil-Spec |
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Quoted: Is there a thread in the tech forums about this FRT? New ARFcom FRT forum |
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Quoted: Something dawned on me so had to log back in and get the info to you now You might have a non compatible disconnector Check out the o e I include in the package with every M2 If yours is different use the one I provided Paste from product description Qty 1 - ARIZONA REGULATOR AZR-15M2 FRT Trigger Device Qty 1 - Standard Mil-Spec Disconnector / Use if needed some disconnectors are not to Mil-Spec I compared mine and yours before I installed the unit. They were the same, but I tried yours also when I was troubleshooting. Same issue. UPDATE Figured out the issue. Put a couple pieces of tape on the bottom of the leg that rests against the disconnector and it stopped the trigger from being pulled far enough until it was locked fully. Guess my rifle just has a looser tolerance for how much you fit the M2 units. Problem is, is my FCG out of tolerance, or is the leg on the M2 just too short? And what would be the best way to fix this? My FCG is a A1 Colt that has been converted to semi-only. (cutting the tail off the hammer and disconnector) Lower is an older NDS A1. |
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Quoted: I compared mine and yours before I installed the unit. They were the same, but I tried yours also when I was troubleshooting. Same issue. UPDATE Figured out the issue. Put a couple pieces of tape on the bottom of the leg that rests against the disconnector and it stopped the trigger from being pulled far enough until it was locked fully. Guess my rifle just has a looser tolerance for how much you fit the M2 units. Problem is, is my FCG out of tolerance, or is the leg on the M2 just too short? And what would be the best way to fix this? My FCG is a A1 Colt that has been converted to semi-only. (cutting the tail off the hammer and disconnector) Lower is an older NDS A1. I bet if you peened the metal on either side of the disconnector where the leg of the AZR touches it, you might flow the metal upward enough to make it work. |
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Quoted: I bet if you peened the metal on either side of the disconnector where the leg of the AZR touches it, you might flow the metal upward enough to make it work. It took 4-5 pieces of gray duct tape, so might be a little more than simple peening the edges. Even if peening the edges would work though, it would be temporary at best. |
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Quoted: It took 4-5 pieces of gray duct tape, so might be a little more than simple peening the edges. Even if peening the edges would work though, it would be temporary at best. Well if that won't work, your next option is going to be finding a taller disconnector or silver soldering a shim on. Do you have a different set of trigger parts you could try? Is the pocket in the upper deeper than it should be, allowing the AZR to sit higher inside the gun? |
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Quoted: I compared mine and yours before I installed the unit. They were the same, but I tried yours also when I was troubleshooting. Same issue. UPDATE Figured out the issue. Put a couple pieces of tape on the bottom of the leg that rests against the disconnector and it stopped the trigger from being pulled far enough until it was locked fully. Guess my rifle just has a looser tolerance for how much you fit the M2 units. Problem is, is my FCG out of tolerance, or is the leg on the M2 just too short? And what would be the best way to fix this? My FCG is a A1 Colt that has been converted to semi-only. (cutting the tail off the hammer and disconnector) Lower is an older NDS A1. Yup your gun is looser tolerance. Could be tolerance stacking a bit here a bit there all adds up. Could be one thing could be many together. All the M2 series are set up on my DD MK18 There is enough operating room that as long as the gun is within milspec there is no issues and everything does as we show it to do |
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Quoted: I bet if you peened the metal on either side of the disconnector where the leg of the AZR touches it, you might flow the metal upward enough to make it work. To adjust for out of spec guns they can also slap a disconnector between two plates of heat sink material and rig a bead on top of diconnector tail. That would take up the out of spec space. Then just file or stone it in like an old school AZR-15 doing your own M2 setup |
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Quoted: It took 4-5 pieces of gray duct tape, so might be a little more than simple peening the edges. Even if peening the edges would work though, it would be temporary at best. You may also have a non compatible brand trigger Never heard of a milspec trigger they didn’t work perfectly with the dizconnector we provide Guess it’s possible I use CMMG |
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Quoted: Well if that won't work, your next option is going to be finding a taller disconnector or silver soldering a shim on. Do you have a different set of trigger parts you could try? Is the pocket in the upper deeper than it should be, allowing the AZR to sit higher inside the gun? Bang your might have nailed it Rings a bell Had a guy set his 15 too short and called me shutting bricks His gun was loose as a hotdog down a hallway Told him to make a shim and out in the upper pocket before he puts unit in Worked Use post it notes first it’s easy to vector. Then make a brass one and done Use end of post it with sticky on back Stack 5 post it notes Cut hole for top cam to stick thru Hold on bench and mark or cut around oval of unit Make a lot bigger so top cam moves freely Stick in pocket Stick unit in Works go to ace get .020 brass shin strip for 3 bucks and cut a brass one for long term use in that gun ( eta 5 post it too tight take one out till yer good and adjust brass thickness to match. ) |
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Quoted: Well if that won't work, your next option is going to be finding a taller disconnector or silver soldering a shim on. Do you have a different set of trigger parts you could try? Is the pocket in the upper deeper than it should be, allowing the AZR to sit higher inside the gun? Quoted: Well if that won't work, your next option is going to be finding a taller disconnector or silver soldering a shim on. Do you have a different set of trigger parts you could try? Is the pocket in the upper deeper than it should be, allowing the AZR to sit higher inside the gun? I checked, and I don't have a spare FCG to test with. It's a Colt A1 FCG, so it's pretty standard. Upper is a Colt A1. Lower is an old NDS A1, so anything is possible. Quoted: You may also have a non compatible brand trigger Never heard of a milspec trigger they didn’t work perfectly with the dizconnector we provide Guess it’s possible I use CMMG Quoted: Bang your might have nailed it Rings a bell Had a guy set his 15 too short and called me shutting bricks His gun was loose as a hotdog down a hallway Told him to make a shim and out in the upper pocket before he puts unit in Worked Use post it notes first it’s easy to vector. Then make a brass one and done Use end of post it with sticky on back Stack 5 post it notes Cut hole for top cam to stick thru Hold on bench and mark or cut around oval of unit Make a lot bigger so top cam moves freely Stick in pocket Stick unit in Works go to ace get .020 brass shin strip for 3 bucks and cut a brass one for long term use in that gun ( eta 5 post it too tight take one out till yer good and adjust brass thickness to match. ) Tried shimming the unit in the upper pocket, but could barely get the takedown pin back in. Didn't help the disconnector leg length issue though. Has to be primarily with the length of the leg touching the disconnector. I'll send you a PM. |
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Quoted: I checked, and I don't have a spare FCG to test with. It's a Colt A1 FCG, so it's pretty standard. Upper is a Colt A1. Lower is an old NDS A1, so anything is possible. Tried shimming the unit in the upper pocket, but could barely get the takedown pin back in. Didn't help the disconnector leg length issue though. Has to be primarily with the length of the leg touching the disconnector. I'll send you a PM. There is nothing wrong with the unit It’s a tolerance or something else problem with your gun That unit will drop right into my DD MK18 or my 90s brand lower with full Colt A2 upper or my Noveske Recon Hell that one drop into the uppers that have deeper pocket You’d have to have another issue. Had one guy down here the was using some odd ball lower and his axis pins in lower were off a touch But litteraly there is no mechanical reason that an in spec AR won’t do exactly what I show them to do After you took up the overage float in the out of spec gun using the paper shins to check with Where that units sits at that point is the exact location that it sits in my DD MK18. Which is tighter than my Colt A2 upper rig Impossible for unit to not do what we say and show it to do man in an in spec AR When there is an issue beyond that I send folks to their local gunsmith cause we can’t diagnose an out of spec gun on the phone nor internet |
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Quoted: UPDATE Problem is, is my FCG out of tolerance, or is the leg on the M2 just too My FCG is a A1 Colt that has been converted to semi-only. (cutting the tail off the hammer and disconnector) Lower is an older NDS A1. Looks like we found it A converted fcg can create you a problem The cut off disconnector tail could create a problem if it had too much cut off We use a standard milspec AR fcg not a converted m16 fcg I run CMMG AR fcg in my guns and I provide a CMMG AR disconnector with every M2 unit Pic of M16 disconnector and CMMG milspec AR disconnector. Lined up with pin thru axis for location Note the tails. Still could be the fcg holes in reciever are off But again there is no mechanical way for an in spec AR to not work properly with my M2 preset units 
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Quoted: There is nothing wrong with the unit It’s a tolerance or something else problem with your gun That unit will drop right into my DD MK18 or my 90s brand lower with full Colt A2 upper or my Noveske Recon Hell that one drop into the uppers that have deeper pocket You’d have to have another issue. Had one guy down here the was using some odd ball lower and his axis pins in lower were off a touch But litteraly there is no mechanical reason that an in spec AR won’t do exactly what I show them to do After you took up the overage float in the out of spec gun using the paper shins to check with Where that units sits at that point is the exact location that it sits in my DD MK18. Which is tighter than my Colt A2 upper rig Impossible for unit to not do what we say and show it to do man in an in spec AR When there is an issue beyond that I send folks to their local gunsmith cause we can’t diagnose an out of spec gun on the phone nor internet Quoted: There is nothing wrong with the unit It’s a tolerance or something else problem with your gun That unit will drop right into my DD MK18 or my 90s brand lower with full Colt A2 upper or my Noveske Recon Hell that one drop into the uppers that have deeper pocket You’d have to have another issue. Had one guy down here the was using some odd ball lower and his axis pins in lower were off a touch But litteraly there is no mechanical reason that an in spec AR won’t do exactly what I show them to do After you took up the overage float in the out of spec gun using the paper shins to check with Where that units sits at that point is the exact location that it sits in my DD MK18. Which is tighter than my Colt A2 upper rig Impossible for unit to not do what we say and show it to do man in an in spec AR When there is an issue beyond that I send folks to their local gunsmith cause we can’t diagnose an out of spec gun on the phone nor internet I didn't say your M2 unit is out of spec. I said it isn't 100% drop in with my current upper/lower/FCG combo. As I said in an above post, slightly lengthening the bottom cam leg where it contacts the disconnector seemed to correct the issue with my setup. The hammer didn't drop until the BCG hit the upper cam. So either my lower pin holes are just slightly low, or the FCG is the issue. Could try another FCG I guess, but I just hate to spend another $30-$40. A slightly longer cam leg would be the easiest approach. Guess I'll try buying another FCG to test with just to see if possibly the trigger or hammer is the issue. Quoted: Another pic for general reference 3 diaconnectors stacked with pin they axis M16 disconnector Middle is CMMG AR disconnector Front is NON compatible AR disconnector Note the relation of the tails to one another https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/519336/1AE96C44-9469-4CD2-8297-27A903A7036E-3554438.jpg (Eta didn’t add damn pic ) My A1 disconnector is the same length and shelf height as the CMMG. I posted before I tried using your disconnector as well during the troubleshooting. Guess I'll try buying another FCG to test with just to see if possibly the trigger or hammer is the issue. |
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Quoted: I didn't say your M2 unit is out of spec. I said it isn't 100% drop in with my current upper/lower/FCG combo. As I said in an above post, slightly lengthening the bottom cam leg where it contacts the disconnector seemed to correct the issue with my setup. The hammer didn't drop until the BCG hit the upper cam. So either my lower pin holes are just slightly low, or the FCG is the issue. Could try another FCG I guess, but I just hate to spend another $30-$40. A slightly longer cam leg would be the easiest approach. My A1 disconnector is the same length and shelf height as the CMMG. I posted before I tried using your disconnector as well during the troubleshooting. Which is why I always say in spec AR We are not changing spec in our units to compensate for out of spec guns man Also why I list as this on site for everyone to see when they buy a unit from us AZR15-M2 Note - Loose Tolerance ARs recommend using the Original ARIZONA REGULATOR part# AZR-15. |
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Quoted: Snip My A1 disconnector is the same length and shelf height as the CMMG. I posted before I tried using your disconnector as well during the troubleshooting. Guess I'll try buying another FCG to test with just to see if possibly the trigger or hammer is the issue. Post up a picture of both stacked like the pic I put up man That could help But it’s going to be the gun or fcg is not in spec to standard AR platform The fcg is already not in spec as it is a modified M16 fcg which I do not list as compatible with my system man Nothing I can do about that item |
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Quoted: Post up a picture of both stacked like the pic I put up man That could help But it’s going to be the gun or fcg is not in spec to standard AR platform The fcg is already not in spec as it is a modified M16 fcg which I do not list as compatible with my system man Nothing I can do about that item Quoted: Post up a picture of both stacked like the pic I put up man That could help But it’s going to be the gun or fcg is not in spec to standard AR platform The fcg is already not in spec as it is a modified M16 fcg which I do not list as compatible with my system man Nothing I can do about that item The only difference between an M16 and an AR15 Hammer/Disconnector, is removing the trip on the back of the hammer and the extended tab on the disconnector. Like I said, I'll try another FCG first to rule that out. Quoted: Which is why I always say in spec AR We are not changing spec in our units to compensate for out of spec guns man Also why I list as this on site for everyone to see when they buy a unit from us AZR15-M2 Note - Loose Tolerance ARs recommend using the Original ARIZONA REGULATOR part# AZR-15. That's great in hindsight, but I'm not looking to spend another $238 just to get another whole unit that has a longer cam leg. That's why I asked if it was also possible just to get another lower cam leg for my existing unit. |
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Quoted: That's great in hindsight, but I'm not looking to spend another $238 just to get another whole unit that has a longer cam leg. That's why I asked if it was possible just to get another lower cam leg for my existing unit. There is no hindsight That has been on there since the day I released the M2 series. You didn’t read man. Nothing I can do about that. Not the first time I’ve had that conversation. I dont run loose parts for sale. No need to everything we manufacture is perfect when it leaves the factory and works fine in an in spec AR But to attempt to harness the guns out of spec condition or use of non milspec AR indigenous parts on us is not even an option We did not make the gun nor the non AR fcg We did tell everyone if theirs is loose tolerances to use the original unit ( eta this is the same conversation I have with non compatible **REDACTED** trigger guys. They have to buy a compatible trigger that we spec for our units ) ( ETA 07-22-25 **REDACTED** Means any trigger you may decide to try with our new AZR-15M2-R unit configuration. We will no longer name other triggers unless the manufacturer submits a letter to use asking us to name thier trigger(s) as we have received a Cease and Desist from one trigger manufacturer. Many brand triggers out on the market may fall within this **REDACTED** parameter which means triggers that have a disconnector that will push down into the trigger bar which is the condition which makes this a factory Pre Set 100% Drop In as stated herin. You can modify the top of a Mil-Spec Disconnector to use with this unit so the disconnector pushes down into the trigger bar if you want to set up and be able remove the unit and shoot normally whenever you like. )
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Quoted: The only difference between an M16 and an AR15 Hammer/Disconnector, is removing the trip on the back of the hammer and the extended tab on the disconnector. Like I said, I'll try another FCG first to rule that out. That's great in hindsight, but I'm not looking to spend another $238 just to get another whole unit that has a longer cam leg. That's why I asked if it was also possible just to get another lower cam leg for my existing unit. Quoted: Quoted: Post up a picture of both stacked like the pic I put up man That could help But it’s going to be the gun or fcg is not in spec to standard AR platform The fcg is already not in spec as it is a modified M16 fcg which I do not list as compatible with my system man Nothing I can do about that item The only difference between an M16 and an AR15 Hammer/Disconnector, is removing the trip on the back of the hammer and the extended tab on the disconnector. Like I said, I'll try another FCG first to rule that out. Quoted: Which is why I always say in spec AR We are not changing spec in our units to compensate for out of spec guns man Also why I list as this on site for everyone to see when they buy a unit from us AZR15-M2 Note - Loose Tolerance ARs recommend using the Original ARIZONA REGULATOR part# AZR-15. That's great in hindsight, but I'm not looking to spend another $238 just to get another whole unit that has a longer cam leg. That's why I asked if it was also possible just to get another lower cam leg for my existing unit. I was helping a friend out with his. Top of the line Milspec lower. Right to bear NIB milspec trigger. Inserting the AReg locks the trigger and bolt up tight. Same in another "milspec" lower. Different uppers too. Had to take a lot off the leg to even get it to start moving. Would be nice to know if you fucked up you could get a new leg. But "no soup for you!!!". RTFM RTFM RTFM Maybe I'll create a thread in tech where we cam comiserate our attempts to get these running. |
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Good informative post I just saw Hope Stylz doesn’t get mad for me dropping it in here It’s a video the AR15.com guys in Texas made at the range Quoted: We got some samples in earlier this week. I popped by the range yesterday to run a couple of mags. We will no doubt burn through some barrels  I like that it's a quick drop in. If I want to go back to the **REDACTED**, it's a 5 second swap. The ROF seemed a bit high but we'll play with different combos when the team starts doing video on them.   Regulator Geissele SSA ( ETA 07-22-25 **REDACTED** Means any trigger you may decide to try with our new AZR-15M2-R unit configuration. We will no longer name other triggers unless the manufacturer submits a letter to use asking us to name thier trigger(s) as we have received a Cease and Desist from one trigger manufacturer. Many brand triggers out on the market may fall within this **REDACTED** parameter which means triggers that have a disconnector that will push down into the trigger bar which is the condition which makes this a factory Pre Set 100% Drop In as stated herin. You can modify the top of a Mil-Spec Disconnector to use with this unit so the disconnector pushes down into the trigger bar if you want to set up and be able remove the unit and shoot normally whenever you like. )
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Quoted: I was helping a friend out with his. Top of the line Milspec lower. Right to bear NIB milspec trigger. Inserting the AReg locks the trigger and bolt up tight. Same in another "milspec" lower. Different uppers too. Had to take a lot off the leg to even get it to start moving. Would be nice to know if you fucked up you could get a new leg. But "no soup for you!!!". RTFM RTFM RTFM Maybe I'll create a thread in tech where we cam comiserate our attempts to get these running. Removing metal off the cam leg I could deal with. I half expected to do so after watching the how-to videos, and he even shows what to do if you have that issue. What I'm not set up for is adding material to something sold as '100% drop in'. Had I been gifted with the ability of clairvoyance, I would have known to buy the regular style of AZReg and not the '100% drop in'. Not bashing the design. It's a really cool product that I hoped would work out of the package with minimal work on my end, but YMMV. Just glad I found the issue before I spent the day going to the range. |
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Quoted: Removing metal off the cam leg I could deal with. I half expected to do so after watching the how-to videos, and he even shows what to do if you have that issue. What I'm not set up for is adding material to something sold as '100% drop in'. Had I been gifted with the ability of clairvoyance, I would have known to buy the regular style of AZReg and not the '100% drop in'. Not bashing the design. It's a really cool product that I hoped would work out of the package with minimal work on my end, but YMMV. Just glad I found the issue before I spent the day going to the range. I hear ya. I think the design is great. I watched the videos and read the instructions a dozen times. dry fit it a ton. Checked the disconnecter with the included one. I told.my friend, If we took too much off we could get him a MBT. I kinda prefer that style because it gives you a better view of the AZReg and the trigger bar/leg interaction. |
Does anyone know if the Arizona Regulator drop in kit will work with this Rock River 2 stage trigger?  " />https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-triggers-parts/ar-15-national-match-2-stage-trigger/#:~:text=Drop-in%2C%20match%20grade%20trigger%20provides%20a%20crisp%2C%204%C2%BD,speeds%20lock%20time.%20Includes%20trigger%20and%20hammer%20pins.?msockid=2225e059524b610e3233f5a053876080 |
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Quoted: Does anyone know if the Arizona Regulator drop in kit will work with this Rock River 2 stage trigger? http://i.imgur.com/Q0cppRS.jpg" target="_blank">http://i.imgur.com/Q0cppRS.jpg https://www.brownells.com/gun-parts/rifle-parts/rifle-triggers-parts/ar-15-national-match-2-stage-trigger/#:~:text=Drop-in%2C%20match%20grade%20trigger%20provides%20a%20crisp%2C%204%C2%BD,speeds%20lock%20time.%20Includes%20trigger%20and%20hammer%20pins.?msockid=2225e059524b610e3233f5a053876080 It’s not a trigger I list as compatable with our system I would not try it as the platform at the rear on that one looks thin in comparison to the LaRue MBT Which is one reason I picked the MBT it’s built like a tank and the one I have that was bought at scheels not long ago appears to be machines from bar stock which makes the stantion very tough and durable You’ll probably snap that platform off the back of that trigger you show if you try it. May not but I wouldn’t create a unit here for it for those reasons. ( eta wording and damned autocorrect ) |
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The easy correction for an out of spec AR is use any model except the MBT unit Set the unit to LaRue MBT Done Mechanically that should deal with all kinds of tolerance slop in various ARs If yours is still fucked then it’s gunsmith time y’all. I can’t fix the issue with that AR on the phone Don’t think much on the original AZR-15 has come up in here There’s three layers of redundancy built into the original AZR-15. Folks that are leary I tell them to go AZR-15 and do M1 yourself. If your gun is loose it will drop in on an **REDACTED** trigger as is from the factory. Most of you have to swipe a few thou or so to get smooth function If that gets fucked up. Put new CMMG disconnector in and do M2. If that gets fucked up buy a LaRue MBT and have the gunsmith set that one up for you Three shots at it folks. I put a lot of thought into making sure yours will work perfectly in an in spec Mil-Spec AR Apply same logic if yours is out of spec. You have ways to get going. We can’t do anything about out of spec guns. ( ETA 07-22-25 **REDACTED** Means any trigger you may decide to try with our new AZR-15M2-R unit configuration. We will no longer name other triggers unless the manufacturer submits a letter to use asking us to name thier trigger(s) as we have received a Cease and Desist from one trigger manufacturer. Many brand triggers out on the market may fall within this **REDACTED** parameter which means triggers that have a disconnector that will push down into the trigger bar which is the condition which makes this a factory Pre Set 100% Drop In as stated herin. You can modify the top of a Mil-Spec Disconnector to use with this unit so the disconnector pushes down into the trigger bar if you want to set up and be able remove the unit and shoot normally whenever you like. )
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Quoted: I was helping a friend out with his. Top of the line Milspec lower. Right to bear NIB milspec trigger. Inserting the AReg locks the trigger and bolt up tight. Same in another "milspec" lower. Different uppers too. Had to take a lot off the leg to even get it to start moving. Would be nice to know if you fucked up you could get a new leg. But "no soup for you!!!". RTFM RTFM RTFM Maybe I'll create a thread in tech where we cam comiserate our attempts to get these running. Post up video of those attempts So I can show you where you are not following the directions Or you have a non compatible trigger Or you have an out of spec gun Or you are not able to do it and you need a gunsmith to do it for you |
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Quoted: I was helping a friend out with his. Top of the line Milspec lower. Right to bear NIB milspec trigger. Inserting the AReg locks the trigger and bolt up tight. Same in another "milspec" lower. Different uppers too. Had to take a lot off the leg to even get it to start moving. Would be nice to know if you fucked up you could get a new leg. But "no soup for you!!!". RTFM RTFM RTFM Maybe I'll create a thread in tech where we cam comiserate our attempts to get these running. And hell just noticed you are in Florida We don’t ship to Florida so I don’t think you even have my units in hand to do what you claim |
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Statement on all the **REDACTED** posts Well here’s the thing folks. Funny how ONLY HERE has this come up I do not get phon calls on the tech line I do not get emails from customers on it Only here which would indicate that it is an intent to defame thing Ain’t that a bitch that I have to play child’s games with allegedly grown adults I know I have pissed off the whole AR trigger world and I don’t really give a fuck Have y’all noticed the box trigger frt guys took a swipe at me early here along with the super safety guys That didn’t work and if folks remember I fired a warning shot and all those guys disappeared Why would they disappear. Because in those wanting shots I told them all to back the fuck off or I would make another item and crush their portion of the industry. They also know me personally from phone calls at they have tried to get me to license to them. Nothing more than those calls connects them to me. But we “know” each other to say the least Box trigger frt you say. Yep. I can probably give y’all at least 6 versions in less than a month. Same for super safety once I informed that in public they disappeared. So they shift to disconnected in milspec triggers That didn’t work to defame me So they shift to **REDACTED** That didn’t work So they shift to my flag that I made with different font cause I wanted that font That didn’t work So they keep beating the **REDACTED** drum which is not my problem if they changed something after I released the ARIZONA REGULATOR back on July 4 24. Which has already been shown to be fact by the man that posted his trigger is fine and showed he purchased that trigger in July 24 Still won’t accomplish the goal they think they are accomplishing. And I kinda think it’s not anyone associated with **REDACTED**. I think it’s the propaganda machine that is run by my opposition. Whatever.... What it will do is piss me off to the point that I say fuck it and make a precision two stage trigger on my wire edm And if I do I’m going to make one that is just normal AR trigger but match grade. Drop in replacement for all ARs. Which is why I don’t think **REDACTED** folks are in this bashing shit. They are watching same as the whole world is. They saw me fire a warning shot at box triggers and super safety’s. Why would they want to poke a fuckin dickhead like me and have me step into their market segment. No sense for them to do that. No want on my end for me to do that. But if it has to be to shut the fuckin propaganda machine up that is what I’ll do. And one that is a box frt that is match grade And a fuckin super safety that is match grade I’m done fuckin with the whole thing y’all Push it and see where it goes...... ( ETA 07-22-25 **REDACTED** Means any trigger you may decide to try with our new AZR-15M2-R unit configuration. We will no longer name other triggers unless the manufacturer submits a letter to use asking us to name thier trigger(s) as we have received a Cease and Desist from one trigger manufacturer. Many brand triggers out on the market may fall within this **REDACTED** parameter which means triggers that have a disconnector that will push down into the trigger bar which is the condition which makes this a factory Pre Set 100% Drop In as stated herin. You can modify the top of a Mil-Spec Disconnector to use with this unit so the disconnector pushes down into the trigger bar if you want to set up and be able remove the unit and shoot normally whenever you like. )
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Quoted: Picked up the M2 last week. Tried a few rifles just to see which one would work without making any changes. No on the LWRC 6.8, no on the Bushmaster ORC, an instant buzz saw in the Daniel Defense. Suppressed was fun. https://i.postimg.cc/wjdw2rq3/IMG-5734.jpg" target="_blank">https://i.postimg.cc/wjdw2rq3/IMG-5734.jpg Can you give us the internals info on those guns Something would not be within milspec if you can’t drop an M2 in and rock I know some old bushmaster uppers have a smaller pocket. A man called in and had a whole box he bought at a gun show back in the day like that. Newer stuff I don’t know. But if it’s machined to milspec colt upper like almost everything is then you’re good. May have to keep very straight and wiggle to get it in on some. I made them right in my Colt uppers when I crated this thing ( eta the 6.8 is interring. Is there some kind of difference that I may need to address and possibly create something to make 6.8 good. Kinda like I’m going to have to do for 22lr ) |
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Quoted: Statement on all the Geissele posts Well here’s the thing folks. Funny how ONLY HERE has this come up I do not get phon calls on the tech line I do not get emails from customers on it Only here which would indicate that it is an intent to defame thing Ain’t that a bitch that I have to play child’s games with allegedly grown adults I know I have pissed off the whole AR trigger world and I don’t really give a fuck Have y’all noticed the box trigger frt guys took a swipe at me early here along with the super safety guys That didn’t work and if folks remember I fired a warning shot and all those guys disappeared Why would they disappear. Because in those wanting shots I told them all to back the fuck off or I would make another item and crush their portion of the industry. They also know me personally from phone calls at they have tried to get me to license to them. Nothing more than those calls connects them to me. But we “know” each other to say the least Box trigger frt you say. Yep. I can probably give y’all at least 6 versions in less than a month. Same for super safety once I informed that in public they disappeared. So they shift to disconnected in milspec triggers That didn’t work to defame me So they shift to Geissele triggers That didn’t work So they shift to my flag that I made with different font cause I wanted that font That didn’t work So they keep beating the Geissele drum which is not my problem if they changed something after I released the ARIZONA REGULATOR back on July 4 24. Which has already been shown to be fact by the man that posted his trigger is fine and showed he purchased that trigger in July 24 Still won’t accomplish the goal they think they are accomplishing. And I kinda think it’s not anyone associated with Geissele. I think it’s the propaganda machine that is run by my opposition. Whatever.... What it will do is piss me off to the point that I say fuck it and make a precision two stage trigger on my wire edm And if I do I’m going to make one that is just normal AR trigger but match grade. Drop in replacement for all ARs. Which is why I don’t think Geissele folks are in this bashing shit. They are watching same as the whole world is. They saw me fire a warning shot at box triggers and super safety’s. Why would they want to poke a fuckin dickhead like me and have me step into their market segment. No sense for them to do that. No want on my end for me to do that. But if it has to be to shut the fuckin propaganda machine up that is what I’ll do. And one that is a box frt that is match grade And a fuckin super safety that is match grade I’m done fuckin with the whole thing y’all Push it and see where it goes...... |
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Quoted: And hell just noticed you are in Florida We don’t ship to Florida so I don’t think you even have my units in hand to do what you claim Quoted: Quoted: I was helping a friend out with his. Top of the line Milspec lower. Right to bear NIB milspec trigger. Inserting the AReg locks the trigger and bolt up tight. Same in another "milspec" lower. Different uppers too. Had to take a lot off the leg to even get it to start moving. Would be nice to know if you fucked up you could get a new leg. But "no soup for you!!!". RTFM RTFM RTFM Maybe I'll create a thread in tech where we cam comiserate our attempts to get these running. And hell just noticed you are in Florida We don’t ship to Florida so I don’t think you even have my units in hand to do what you claim I dont live in FL anymore. And Ive read all pages of this thread multiple times. Ive watched your videos multiple times as well. I guess I missed the posts about why too short a disconnector is bad. Its kinda hard to weed through all the bullshit geissele posts to glean some useful tidbits. The longer this thread goes the harder it will be to find the answer. And god forbid you may get asked the same question over and over. The rifle in question is a Mega arms Gator lower with a older Right to bear NIB enhanced milspec trigger. Suppressed 11.3" barrel. The disconnector length is identical to the one you include in the kit. I had to take off a decent amount from the leg to get the whole thing moving. There is no more binding and I can tap the trigger in all bolt positions. Maybe could be a little more tappy. I only had a H2 buffer to test. I got it to run a couple times but I only had 4 rounds in each time. Then the next mag would be semi auto only. Id open her up. All looked good, then it worked again. Next mag, semi auto only. Then it just stopped working. I had a 9mm 5.9 oz buffer but it is longer and didn't help. Back home I cycled it a bunch. It does reset the trigger and only fires when the bolt slams home. |
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Another successful install of the AZ Regulator. H&R DOE 9mm upper, H&R Mod 635 lower, KAK Adjustable 9mm buffer (10 oz). I unpinned the buffer weight in the BCG and carefully removed material from the buffer weight until the upper trip leg of the AZR cleared. Replaced the OEM disconnector with a modified disconnector so that the AZR is setup bearing directly on the trigger (Setup 1). It's a jumpy little gun but it shoots! H&R DOE 9mm with AZ Regulator - 1st Test Fire - 20 round mag dump |
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Quoted: Another successful install of the AZ Regulator. H&R DOE 9mm upper, H&R Mod 635 lower, KAK Adjustable 9mm buffer (10 oz). I unpinned the buffer weight in the BCG and carefully removed material from the buffer weight until the upper trip leg of the AZR cleared. Replaced the OEM disconnector with a modified disconnector so that the AZR is setup bearing directly on the trigger (Setup 1). It's a jumpy little gun but it shoots! H&R DOE 9mm with AZ Regulator - 1st Test Fire - 20 round mag dump Now that is a sweet little package. Do you have pics of any material removed from buffer weight? |
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Quoted: Now that is a sweet little package. Do you have pics of any material removed from buffer weight? I don't have the gun right in front of me, but this photo should be descriptive enough (from https://activesafetydesigns.com/troubleshooting/):  I turned the upper over and retracted the BCG until the AZR fit in the sear pocket, then pushed the bolt forward until it contacted the upper leg, then used a steel scribe to mark a line on the inner face of the BCG weight. It was about 3/16" of an inch of material to remove (in depth) and back along the length of the BCG weight until it reached the trip surface on the full-auto carrier. I did it with a large file, but a bench or belt grinder would make quick work of it. Just make sure to keep the flat surfaces of the material removed in the same plane (parallel) to the through-hole for the roll pin that holds the BCG weight into the carrier. |
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