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Quoted: It’s much easier to crucify an unsuspecting Airman than it is to procure millions of dollars in new pistols. It’s even easier when top brass is dangled some incentives to find a reason why it wasn’t the pistol’s fault. Not saying that’s what’s occurring, but I am saying it’s a plausible scenario. Thinking the same thing. Gotta wonder what REALLY happened. "Shake awake" syndrome? Did the accused actually pull the trigger? |
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Quoted: Go pound sand then to all the naysayers!!! I shared the link . Forgive me for trying to put information out there and let people make a informed decision. But instead you some folks that wanna complain etc.. At this point kick me off here , I don't care anymore! Done with the "experts " . I never said I was trying to push a narrative one way or another just sharing information. But whatever at this point!!! 
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Quoted: The gays did blow up the turret on USS Iowa though. Quoted: Quoted: Well, hope they actually have something substantial as opposed to the historical nature of military coverups where they blame the E-nothings for being suicidal or gay or upset at getting cut from the Seals or whatnot. The gays did blow up the turret on USS Iowa though. "Urban legend"? Wiki says "undetermined": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion "In response to the new findings, the U.S. Navy, with Sandia's assistance, reopened the investigation. In August 1991, Sandia and the GAO completed their reports, concluding that it was likely that the explosion was caused by an accidental overram of powder bags into the breech of the 16-inch gun. The U.S. Navy, however, disagreed with Sandia's opinion and concluded that the cause of the explosion could not be determined. The U.S. Navy expressed regret (but did not offer an apology) to Hartwig's family and closed its investigation." |
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Quoted: Go pound sand then to all the naysayers!!! I shared the link . Forgive me for trying to put information out there and let people make a informed decision. But instead you some folks that wanna complain etc.. At this point kick me off here , I don't care anymore! Done with the "experts " . I never said I was trying to push a narrative one way or another just sharing information. But whatever at this point!!! I have nothing against OP. But, this could be a decent copypasta. |
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Quoted: "Urban legend"? Wiki says "undetermined": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion "In response to the new findings, the U.S. Navy, with Sandia's assistance, reopened the investigation. In August 1991, Sandia and the GAO completed their reports, concluding that it was likely that the explosion was caused by an accidental overram of powder bags into the breech of the 16-inch gun. The U.S. Navy, however, disagreed with Sandia's opinion and concluded that the cause of the explosion could not be determined. The U.S. Navy expressed regret (but did not offer an apology) to Hartwig's family and closed its investigation." Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, hope they actually have something substantial as opposed to the historical nature of military coverups where they blame the E-nothings for being suicidal or gay or upset at getting cut from the Seals or whatnot. The gays did blow up the turret on USS Iowa though. "Urban legend"? Wiki says "undetermined": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion "In response to the new findings, the U.S. Navy, with Sandia's assistance, reopened the investigation. In August 1991, Sandia and the GAO completed their reports, concluding that it was likely that the explosion was caused by an accidental overram of powder bags into the breech of the 16-inch gun. The U.S. Navy, however, disagreed with Sandia's opinion and concluded that the cause of the explosion could not be determined. The U.S. Navy expressed regret (but did not offer an apology) to Hartwig's family and closed its investigation." |
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Quoted: Sig has already taken the hit. Truth doesn't matter much now. I was amazed a few minutes ago when i read what they write about the P320 on their website TESTED AND ABUSED With its unmatched modularity, unprecedented accuracy, and uncompromising reliability, the state-of-the-art SIG SAUER P320 has quickly become one of the most sought after firearms on the market today. Chosen by all branches of the U.S. military, as well as law enforcement agencies across the country and around the world, the P320 redefines the modern handgun. SAFETY WITHOUT COMPROMISE Safety isn’t negotiable. The P320 maximizes peace of mind with a robust safety system including both a striker safety and a disconnect safety, and because of its innovative 3-point takedown safety, never again will you need to pull the trigger to disassemble your pistol. THE MOST TESTED AND PROVEN SIDEARM EVER |
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Quoted: 1-2mm of “pull” can be caused by dirt & sand that won’t allow the trigger to fully reset. That’s still unacceptable in my book. No other handgun will do the same… A gun must fire only with a complete trigger pull Agreed. Additionally, any superlight trigger is not suitable for anything in exception of target shooting. How many times i heard about hunters shooting accidentally using the freaking (and unfortunately very common here in Europe)stecker trigger, or how it is called. Also when doing IDPA i was laughing when beating people with ultramodified jammomatic glocks and berettas while using a stock G19 |
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Quoted: It’s much easier to crucify an unsuspecting Airman than it is to procure millions of dollars in new pistols. It’s even easier when top brass is dangled some incentives to find a reason why it wasn’t the pistol’s fault. Not saying that’s what’s occurring, but I am saying it’s a plausible scenario. No it's not plausible. |
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Quoted: I have nothing against OP. But, this could be a decent copypasta. Quoted: Quoted: Go pound sand then to all the naysayers!!! I shared the link . Forgive me for trying to put information out there and let people make a informed decision. But instead you some folks that wanna complain etc.. At this point kick me off here , I don't care anymore! Done with the "experts " . I never said I was trying to push a narrative one way or another just sharing information. But whatever at this point!!! I have nothing against OP. But, this could be a decent copypasta. It needs more cussing and counter-accusations. Plus, something about his mothers knees. |
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Quoted: Go pound sand then to all the naysayers!!! I shared the link . Forgive me for trying to put information out there and let people make a informed decision. But instead you some folks that wanna complain etc.. At this point kick me off here , I don't care anymore! Done with the "experts " . I never said I was trying to push a narrative one way or another just sharing information. But whatever at this point!!!  capture software" />
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Quoted: Oh look, it's mad... Why U mad bro? Quoted: Quoted: Go pound sand then to all the naysayers!!! I shared the link . Forgive me for trying to put information out there and let people make a informed decision. But instead you some folks that wanna complain etc.. At this point kick me off here , I don't care anymore! Done with the "experts " . I never said I was trying to push a narrative one way or another just sharing information. But whatever at this point!! Why U mad bro? Poor guy must have missed all the early bird specials when he was busy posting that link. Now he’s hangry. There’s no more morrison’s cafeteria near him, Ryan’s steakhouse shutdown, etc. Cut him a little slack it’s a long drive down towards the interstate to hit Cracker Barrel. |
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Quoted: Go pound sand then to all the naysayers!!! I shared the link . Forgive me for trying to put information out there and let people make a informed decision. But instead you some folks that wanna complain etc.. At this point kick me off here , I don't care anymore! Done with the "experts " . I never said I was trying to push a narrative one way or another just sharing information. But whatever at this point!!! 
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Quoted: Ill wait for more details. Horseplay with a loaded m18 would be a stupid thing to happen. Didn't necessarily need to be horseplay. We were on post guard, living in Campbell's (then) post guard house, when an armorer shot a 1911 through a wall pointed almost directly at me and my bunkmate. It was shift change, so the top bunk guys were down and standing and my shift had just gotten back and we were getting into the lower bunks. Armorers also changed each shift and the armorer coming on duty dropped the mag and pulled the trigger. Our bunk was pretty close to that wall and my bunkmate was standing there in shock, with his head spattered with plaster dust. The round basically went across the top bunks. Had it been a couple minutes earlier, many of those bunks would have been occupied. Winner winner, Article 15 dinner. |
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Quoted: Thinking the same thing. Gotta wonder what REALLY happened. "Shake awake" syndrome? Did the accused actually pull the trigger? Probably twirling it like a six shooter like many have done over the years especially with the M9 which resulted in holes in the gatehouses. |
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Quoted: That too. It’s like everyone is in such a hurry to try to be first. OP’s post should have been something like this. Hey Arf. Check this out. Air Force times link Someone was arrested in the M18 airman’s death. Isn’t a whole lot of details on it yet, but they found enough cause to arrest someone. Anyone see any other news or info on this? I wonder if the guy is just being run through the wringer because they want to place blame or maybe if wasn’t a gun failure and actually intentional. Quoted: Quoted: It’s not even a link That too. It’s like everyone is in such a hurry to try to be first. OP’s post should have been something like this. Hey Arf. Check this out. Air Force times link Someone was arrested in the M18 airman’s death. Isn’t a whole lot of details on it yet, but they found enough cause to arrest someone. Anyone see any other news or info on this? I wonder if the guy is just being run through the wringer because they want to place blame or maybe if wasn’t a gun failure and actually intentional. Get out of here with your snooty "acting like a literate grown up" demands. |
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Quoted: What the fuck is it with people that just dump a link and nothing else. Quoted: Quoted: https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2025/08/08/air-force-makes-arrest-in-airmans-shooting-death-involving-m18-pistol/?_0ERinGsNdkYFw9gHqso5R-tKl8o6vlcK3rC-6d5wCQi_gJAKT-Gc_aem_aVlDj043H5LAUcZbtVjmgQ What the fuck is it with people that just dump a link and nothing else. And not even a hotlink. 
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Quoted: Go pound sand then to all the naysayers!!! I shared the link . Forgive me for trying to put information out there and let people make a informed decision. But instead you some folks that wanna complain etc.. At this point kick me off here , I don't care anymore! Done with the "experts " . I never said I was trying to push a narrative one way or another just sharing information. But whatever at this point!!! 
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Quoted: 1-2mm of “pull” can be caused by dirt & sand that won’t allow the trigger to fully reset. That’s still unacceptable in my book. No other handgun will do the same… A gun must fire only with a complete trigger pull It wasn't 1mm of pull, it was pulling it to the wall, then 1mm farther. It's not going to happen if thr trigger fails to reset because the reset point is farther forward. Every striker fired handgun that forces the sear down through trigger action will do the exact same thing if you pull the trigger to the wall, then a bit further. |
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Originally Posted By @jeepva : Go pound sand then to all the naysayers!!! I shared the link . Forgive me for trying to put information out there and let people make a informed decision. But instead you some folks that wanna complain etc.. At this point kick me off here , I don't care anymore! Done with the "experts " . I never said I was trying to push a narrative one way or another just sharing information. But whatever at this point!!! Calm yourself sir. Dickheads just being dickheads or maybe just non-dickheads funnin' you a bit. 
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Quoted: "In a Friday statement, a Department of the Air Force spokesperson said that the unidentified arrested person is accused of making a false official statement, obstruction of justice and involuntary manslaughter." Hmmm so it wasn't the P320's fault after all https://nsmb.com/media/images/crowtable.original.jpg Is that a crow or a grackle that ate some Chipotle...? |
| One of my firearms instructors in the LE academy was shot in the chest by a fellow marine when he was in the USMC during guard (SP?) shift change at a post. Nothing other than the usual greetings between them and the other guy just drew and shot him in the chest with a 1911. Thankfully the ball round pushed enough tissue around that it didn't puncture his heart or surrounding plumbing but he grabbed the slide and held it fighting until he passed out, slipping around in his own blood. Said he saw his own blood on the wall behind as well since it was thru and thru. Help arrived as he was losing consciousness and arrested the shooter. I thought of this when this incident was reported followed by "nah, certainly this must be the nail in Sig's coffin." |
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Quoted: Involuntary manslaughter = fucking around and “it just went off”? No that sounds like someone else was doing something stupid or careless and it went off. And lied about it. And now they are charging that Airman. If it was really reckless or intentional I think murder charge would be what is coming. Maybe we have some JAGs that can chime in. |
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Quoted: Go pound sand then to all the naysayers!!! I shared the link . Forgive me for trying to put information out there and let people make a informed decision. But instead you some folks that wanna complain etc.. At this point kick me off here , I don't care anymore! Done with the "experts " . I never said I was trying to push a narrative one way or another just sharing information. But whatever at this point!!! 
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Quoted: 1-2mm of “pull” can be caused by dirt & sand that won’t allow the trigger to fully reset. That’s still unacceptable in my book. No other handgun will do the same… A gun must fire only with a complete trigger pull Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I would agree but SIG lost his credibility long time ago… First they said the gun couldn’t fire if dropped… well we all know how it ended. Then they said the gun will only fire with a trigger pull… then a guy showed how pushing the slide [while pulling the trigger] will release the FP… 1-2mm of “pull” can be caused by dirt & sand that won’t allow the trigger to fully reset. That’s still unacceptable in my book. No other handgun will do the same… A gun must fire only with a complete trigger pull LOL, sure it can, been demonstrated multiple times... |
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