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Posted: 1/23/2024 3:49:04 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2024 3:50:49 AM EDT
[#1]
Good gun pic.
But Holosun? It's a major state LE agency. They should be picking Trijicon or Aimpoint. Not eotech-those are garbage. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 3:57:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good gun pic. But Holosun? It's a major state LE agency. They should be picking Trijicon or Aimpoint. Not eotech-those are garbage. You know how a lot of these deals go down, Somebody's always got their hands in the cookie jar. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 3:57:51 AM EDT
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It's the 509T I think. There was scuttlebutt about this awhile back. Also looks like SoA DoC will also transition to this as well.
Edit for DoC NOT DoT. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 4:06:14 AM EDT
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I figured they all carried G20 for bears and such.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 4:11:06 AM EDT
[#5]
Somebody got some strippers and blow.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 4:42:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good gun pic. But Holosun? It's a major state LE agency. They should be picking Trijicon or Aimpoint. Not eotech-those are garbage. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 4:47:05 AM EDT
[#7]
Well when government agencies make decisions it takes a long time. Holosun has been making an enclosed emitter for a while in the 509, and it works well. Trijicon took their sweet time and only recently released their design so it’s really their fault for not getting a better design out sooner.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 4:52:18 AM EDT
[#8]
Good on them for replacing garbage caliber (I have, and still have done many [.40]) with a good caliber. I am not going on duty with a China sight though. “Dog ate my China sight.”
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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:01:22 AM EDT
[#9]
it will be interesting to see how those optics stand up to LEO duty use and abuse
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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:08:02 AM EDT
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With all the limp-wristers getting in LE these days this change might increase reliability across the board. Not everyone can handle the awesome and superior power of the FO-TAY.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:22:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: it will be interesting to see how those optics stand up to LEO duty use and abuse My son's department ordered new Glock G45's cut from the factory for Aimpoint Acro's. My boy has been using an Acro for the past year and half on his Staccato doing his SWAT shit and it's held up well. He's not a big Glock lover, but he said the G45 with Acro is a pretty damn good combo and he shoots that almost as well as the Staccato. I have a couple of Holosun 509s. Zero issues, but I'm not using them daily, just some dynamic range training and a couple classes. Sucks their Chinese, but Holosun made a good optic. ROCK6 |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:23:48 AM EDT
[#12]
Just as good.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:28:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good on them for replacing garbage caliber (I have, and still have done many [.40]) with a good caliber. I am not going on duty with a China sight though. “Dog ate my China sight.” There is a pretty well known taxidermist in Alaska who used his Smith & Wesson 40 cal iand taking multiple interior Grizzlies using Sig 180 grain hollow point ammunition at fairly close range. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:28:57 AM EDT
[#14]
Wow. 9mm.
Jeez |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:35:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I figured they all carried G20 for bears and such. I was there many moons ago when we switched from the S&W 4006 to the G22 (which I considered a vast improvement). At the time you could qualify on your own personal 45-70 for such events but you had to provide your own ammo. I had a 45-70 at the time and I really regret not having qualified on it, alas a rookie trooper in a bush posting with a young wife and family meant the ammo required for the course of fire was pretty expensive. Really wish I had put more thought into it at the time because it really would have been cool to have a Glock on your hip and a lever gun in the truck. I just spent a lot of time with the issued 870 and Brenneke slugs. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:41:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know how a lot of these deals go down, Somebody's always got their hands in the cookie jar. It could be. It could also be the Troopers haggling with management and management picking the best gun but the cheapest optic. I'm also still surprised they picked 9mm given that Moose, Grizzlies, and other wild game are, uhh, all over Alaska
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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:48:22 AM EDT
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New batch of police trade-in Glock 22s at AIM Surplus in One . Two. Three
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Posted: 1/23/2024 5:48:46 AM EDT
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Double tap.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 6:02:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm also still surprised they picked 9mm given that Moose, Grizzlies, and other wild game are, uhh, all over Alaska Best mm seems like a much better choice.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 6:06:16 AM EDT
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Nothing like going from a hot squad car to -20F. Do you think there will be some complaints?
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Posted: 1/23/2024 6:14:16 AM EDT
[#21]
I too am kinda floored they chose Holosun. I wonder, is there any chance they have or plan to open any manufacturing in North America? Call me paranoid, but if they are all made in CN, they could be putting/sneaking anything in those....
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Posted: 1/23/2024 6:45:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My son's department ordered new Glock G45's cut from the factory for Aimpoint Acro's. My boy has been using an Acro for the past year and half on his Staccato doing his SWAT shit and it's held up well. He's not a big Glock lover, but he said the G45 with Acro is a pretty damn good combo and he shoots that almost as well as the Staccato. I have a couple of Holosun 509s. Zero issues, but I'm not using them daily, just some dynamic range training and a couple classes. Sucks their Chinese, but Holosun made a good optic. ROCK6 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: it will be interesting to see how those optics stand up to LEO duty use and abuse My son's department ordered new Glock G45's cut from the factory for Aimpoint Acro's. My boy has been using an Acro for the past year and half on his Staccato doing his SWAT shit and it's held up well. He's not a big Glock lover, but he said the G45 with Acro is a pretty damn good combo and he shoots that almost as well as the Staccato. I have a couple of Holosun 509s. Zero issues, but I'm not using them daily, just some dynamic range training and a couple classes. Sucks their Chinese, but Holosun made a good optic. ROCK6 Glock makes like 6 different optic cuts at the factory now, they just refuse to offer them outside of department orders. Friggin’ insane that you have to pay out the nose or be out your pistol for a month or more to get a factory glock with an RMR cut. The MOS shit sucks. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 7:11:14 AM EDT
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I’m really not surprised at the G17 selection as bean counters are all about the cheapest options they can get.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 7:15:15 AM EDT
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Given the climate and local fauna I would think simply sticking with .40 cal would be the most intelligent and cost effective option.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 7:19:00 AM EDT
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We did a lot of testing over 3 years before we widely authorized red dots for pistols. We found no difference in durability between holosun and trijicon. Holosun had a slight advantage in ease of battery change. We change batteries at annual qual. Over that period of time, none of the batteries died between changes.
During the winter months, I wipe my lens with an anti fog cloth before I leave the house in the morning. Same for my patrol rifle in the car. Time spent on the process about 10 second each. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 7:22:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m really not surprised at the G17 selection as bean counters are all about the cheapest options they can get. If they were switching to gen 5s, they'd need new holsters too for the 22s. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 7:44:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Glock makes like 6 different optic cuts at the factory now, they just refuse to offer them outside of department orders. Friggin’ insane that you have to pay out the nose or be out your pistol for a month or more to get a factory glock with an RMR cut. The MOS shit sucks. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: it will be interesting to see how those optics stand up to LEO duty use and abuse My son's department ordered new Glock G45's cut from the factory for Aimpoint Acro's. My boy has been using an Acro for the past year and half on his Staccato doing his SWAT shit and it's held up well. He's not a big Glock lover, but he said the G45 with Acro is a pretty damn good combo and he shoots that almost as well as the Staccato. I have a couple of Holosun 509s. Zero issues, but I'm not using them daily, just some dynamic range training and a couple classes. Sucks their Chinese, but Holosun made a good optic. ROCK6 Glock makes like 6 different optic cuts at the factory now, they just refuse to offer them outside of department orders. Friggin’ insane that you have to pay out the nose or be out your pistol for a month or more to get a factory glock with an RMR cut. The MOS shit sucks. They don't even sell 17 Gen 5 with an MOS cut anymore except for department orders. Civilians and blue labels are stuck with either custom cuts or the 47 Gen 5 MOS. Kharn |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 7:47:13 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It could be. It could also be the Troopers haggling with management and management picking the best gun but the cheapest optic. I'm also still surprised they picked 9mm given that Moose, Grizzlies, and other wild game are, uhh, all over Alaska |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 8:03:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I too am kinda floored they chose Holosun. I wonder, is there any chance they have or plan to open any manufacturing in North America? Call me paranoid, but if they are all made in CN, they could be putting/sneaking anything in those.... The only way to get USA products is to state in the original contract wording that is has to be made in the USA. I'm sure the Alaska evaluation process took a couple of years to get through. Someone has to make the justification to the Chief for a new weapon system. The Chief's office has to approve the process. Then they have to budget for it. Then the evaluation had to be conducted. Once a final weapon is approved the state contract office has to complete the purchase paperwork. I'm thinking Trijicon did not even have an option when the pistol contract process started. Everyone complains about the Chinese sight but the radios on the other side of the gun belt have been made in China for years. David |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 8:19:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Many documented kills of bears with 9mm Quote HistoryQuoted: Many documented kills of bears with 9mm Probably just as many kills with choking on a femur bone. Quoted: Um, yea, and then there's that little thing about everyone wearing heavy jackets... Best mm seems like a much better choice.I don't think there's any validity to the 9mm fails against heavy jackets argument especially with modern rounds. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 8:22:20 AM EDT
[#31]
I would have thought AK Troopers would be carrying 10mm.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 8:24:50 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I figured they all carried G20 for bears and such. Bears and Moose aren't nearly as big a threat as vagrants and village exiles |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 8:25:48 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't even sell 17 Gen 5 with an MOS cut anymore except for department orders. Civilians and blue labels are stuck with either custom cuts or the 47 Gen 5 MOS. Kharn Glock changed that the 17Gen5 MOS is available to all again. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 8:26:50 AM EDT
[#34]
They’ll need those in their upcoming war with Russia
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Posted: 1/23/2024 8:27:51 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I figured they all carried G20 for bears and such. that'd be the wise thing. or possibly get a g40 so you got some barrel length to speed up the bullet |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 8:37:48 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing like going from a hot squad car to -20F. Do you think there will be some complaints? My thoughts exactly. I don't own their enclosed emitter unit anymore, but the one I briefly had did not impress me. I did not test it going between temperature extremes, so I could absolutely be wrong. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 8:53:22 AM EDT
[#37]
oh goody
now they can hire more 5’1” females who can qualify |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:01:38 AM EDT
[#38]
also, holosun has a secret pro line aka LEM law enforcement military so they are duty grade. they get more QC... hence those are the 509ts there getting.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:04:19 AM EDT
[#39]
Who knew AST were a bunch of poors.
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:07:07 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I figured they all carried G20 for bears and such. 12ga |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:09:57 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But Holosun? It's a major state LE agency. They should be picking Trijicon or Aimpoint. Trijicon no make good bribe 
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:11:56 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: it will be interesting to see how those optics stand up to LEO duty use and abuse They are already holding up in Ukraine I'm sure they'll do fine. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:15:14 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I figured they all carried G20 for bears and such. Same here but probably keep something larger in their vehicle. I would think at a minimum they would need to be able to “dispatch” larger animals that were struck by vehicles |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:32:34 AM EDT
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L-O-fucking-L
  "But!-But!-CHINESIUM!!!" LOL |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:35:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nothing like going from a hot squad car to -20F. Do you think there will be some complaints? I think the condensation will occur when the lens is cold and the air is warm (higher moisture content). So if they have to do a tactical entry into a sweat lodge they are effed |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:36:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We did a lot of testing over 3 years before we widely authorized red dots for pistols. We found no difference in durability between holosun and trijicon. Holosun had a slight advantage in ease of battery change. We change batteries at annual qual. Over that period of time, none of the batteries died between changes. During the winter months, I wipe my lens with an anti fog cloth before I leave the house in the morning. Same for my patrol rifle in the car. Time spent on the process about 10 second each. Interesting, Holosun appears to have stepped up their game over the past few years. Thanks for sharing! |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:39:30 AM EDT
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The Arlington, VA PD uses Holsuns on their G17s after the officer completes the RDS qual course.
I've asked individual officers if they can put an RMR on the gun and they all just shrug their shoulders. |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:45:49 AM EDT
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I love my 509t, it's a fantastic optic, of course I put it on my G20
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:46:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow. 9mm. Jeez A decade or so ago a NYS Trooper got killed with a Glock 17 in his hand after shooting and hitting 2 bank robbers that fired upon him and fled. They now carry 45 |
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Posted: 1/23/2024 9:46:57 AM EDT
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Nothing wrong with the Holosuns for duty pistols at this point.
And if your dealing with an animal, you should likely be addressing it with a long gun. |
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