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Its been awhile since I looked the stoner guns up, but if I recall the gun can be converted back and forth from a rifle to a belt and vice versa My god it just looks so damn good. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Mostly correct. Armalite was non operational when Mark Westrom founder of Eagle Arms bought Armalite. Most of the the tooling then located in the Philippines was not worth the cost of transport back the US. What was brought back totaled barely two truck loads. The Lions share of the value was in the intellectual property, production and engineering files and of course the corporation and it's name. Mark Westrom did make good use of it all. Eagle arms hardware and facilities along with the two truck loads were to used to revive Armalite with Eagle Arms later becoming a subsidiary. To believe Armalite of today is the same Armalite of 1954 is equally inaccurate as believing Colt's Manufacturing Company, LLC of today is the same Colt's Patent Fire Arms of 1855. Colt has been bought, sold, bankrupt, merged and spun off numerous times. They've made non gun products for other companies when times were tough. They made things except for when natural disasters and strikes shut down production. Today's Colt is not the same as the original Colt but they do have history and the blue dome of Hartford. In response to the OP question ~"are you a buyer" Yes to all three choices. The 180 is a good design. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I pretty sure I remember the "Armalite"company name was bought by Eagle Arms many many years ago. The Armalite company today is NOT the same as the original. I believe they would need to start from scratch on the tooling. Someone correct me......... To believe Armalite of today is the same Armalite of 1954 is equally inaccurate as believing Colt's Manufacturing Company, LLC of today is the same Colt's Patent Fire Arms of 1855. Colt has been bought, sold, bankrupt, merged and spun off numerous times. They've made non gun products for other companies when times were tough. They made things except for when natural disasters and strikes shut down production. Today's Colt is not the same as the original Colt but they do have history and the blue dome of Hartford. In response to the OP question ~"are you a buyer" Yes to all three choices. The 180 is a good design. |
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Make it close the original as possible but with AR mag compatibility and an optic rail, and I’m in.
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Quoted: @mike_nds Which part? View Quote That, and what were the total "B" model production numbers. There doesn't seem to a definitive source on the web. You have stated in the past that they made a forging die for the lower, do you think that would have saved the rifle from being discontinued? Or was it moot by that point. |
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If they or anyone did it would be in the $5K range. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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You put lipstick on your guns, too? I don't understand why anyone cares about a gun's aesthetics. It's a fucking tool with one job: To kill shit. View Quote |
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Armalite has been irrelevant for the last 15 years. They’re not going to bring anything worthwhile to market.
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I want the gun from Silver Streak. http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/7e/Streak-ar18c.jpg/800px-Streak-ar18c.jpg http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/3/34/Streak-ar18f.jpg/600px-Streak-ar18f.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: At the time it was produced, stamped sheet metal was faster, cheaper, and easier to shape than aluminum extrusions. That’s not true anymore, hence today’s brand new $400 AR15s. View Quote |
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From a historical standpoint, I'm mostly interested in what remnants of the original Armalite company assets were even usable. That, and what were the total "B" model production numbers. There doesn't seem to a definitive source on the web. You have stated in the past that they made a forging die for the lower, do you think that would have saved the rifle from being discontinued? Or was it moot by that point. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: @mike_nds Which part? That, and what were the total "B" model production numbers. There doesn't seem to a definitive source on the web. You have stated in the past that they made a forging die for the lower, do you think that would have saved the rifle from being discontinued? Or was it moot by that point. ArmaLite and its intellectual property had been floating around for years. I think Reed Knight had been looking at it but Mark ended up contacting the old President and ended up with ArmaLite. The new ArmaLite was able to contact some of the old employees from ArmaLite and were able to aquire a lot of information that was thought to be lost. I believe their was tooling but I forgot if it was serviceable. The only tools I am familiar with seeing were the gauge fixtures they acquired from Colt. The AR-180B was meant to be a low cost alternative to the premium M-15 line. $480.00 vs something like $800 - $1000 for M-15s. I may have the data from the time I worked there but you might be able to extrapolate the AR10B data from the ATF numbers. As far as the AR-180B goes... I think sales were flat and the forged receiver with all the upgrades would have pushed the price near $1K. It a beautiful forging. As far as I know, the die still exists! |
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True to original? Maybe. I don’t really see the point of making on in milled AL.
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I think I’m good but would probably still be tempted depending on price but only if original style. |
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I found a ar 18 mag just the other day.
Shh don't tell the king's men. If anyone has interest pm me |
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I have a B.
Gotta remember to buy one of spuds, receivers. Mine is set up with the sormworks hinge and folds. I'd buy another if they had a rail. My MI mount was shit and so no optic mounted on mine. It would be real simple to make a version that utilized AR barrels and hand guards. Steel or Aluminum lower. Ar mags. How about an AR18? That was 308 size right? That would rock. |
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That is a Canada specific variant with features for Canada laws. Very stupid and ugly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol if it's this fuckass ugly thing you're talking about, no. No. Just no. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/125898/VXB4J2T2DVBIZKCIZKENFYDYJQ_jpg-1217695.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/125898/U4FCI2GH5VA2RAXYZSX5D6LEEQ_jpg-1217696.JPG |
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Bought a 180b a while back for 400$ just kinda wanted it , it shoots well though |
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Armalite plans to reintroduce their AR-180. Are you a buyer IF? View Quote |
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IF it doesn't cost more than a comparable AR. Brownell's $800+ upper is wildly overpriced. View Quote BRN-180 uppers were on sale for about $650 with coupon and discounts. $650 range is very reasonable. one model was about $576 on sale with discounts a short time ago. Brownells is teasing with something NEW in the BRN-180 line for shot show. Should be GOOD. |
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I had a 180B and was never impressed. Sold it at a loss. My Daewoo K2 is everything a AR-180 wished it could be. http://i.imgur.com/ps9ns4h.jpg ETA: and yes, I would likely buy a new AR-180, if the price is below $1k. And it has to be a metal lower. |
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I pretty sure I remember the "Armalite"company name was bought by Eagle Arms many many years ago. The Armalite company today is NOT the same as the original. I believe they would need to start from scratch on the tooling. Someone correct me......... No company is the same as the original. |
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Not if it's the shitty plastic "B" model. Had one, it was a turd. Molded incorrectly, mags wobbled so bad I had feed issues until I used an epoxy & some creative sanding to get things to seat correctly. The buttstock literally fell off the "nub" it was glued to on the first range trip.
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I love the AR-18/180 series. I have a Sterling and a 180B. Wouldn’t trade either.
I didn’t think the 180b was a bad rifle at all. I never had the problems with the lower some have reported, and I did everything you’re not supposed to before I knew better. If they had really “de-banned” them, had a folding stock, a metal lower(like the nds-18)and a picatinny rail in place of the original scope mount, I think they’d have sold better. You’d have a rifle that handles like the original, but with some updated features. Sounds like a lot, but really those are fairly small changes. Using AR fcg parts, like the 180b did is a no-brainer. I’d love to see Armalite come out with a new one. My opinion is that it should be patterned after the original, but it need not be an exact clone. Obviously this day in age, there is no need for a proprietary magazine, an ar mag would be best. Maybe have a “tactical handguard” available for those that want it, but for sure have the rifle available with handguards similar to the original. Beyond that, the changes to the 180b would make it pretty close to ideal. In a perfect world, I’d like to see them do a 180S model as well. I don’t buy very many new guns. But if they did this right, I’d definitely buy a new AR-180. So long as it’s really a 180 and not 3/4 AR15. |
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I had one of those with a folding stock back in the early '80's. To be honest I didn't shoot it much, and sold it off to fund other projects. I liked the folding stock, though. I don't even remember what magazines it took. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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It'd be on my guns I totally want but will probably never get to list.
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AR16 - the AR18 was developed from it. Project I'm involved with....... https://i.imgur.com/0GwfLDi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MXhtsun.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I have a B. Gotta remember to buy one of spuds, receivers. Mine is set up with the sormworks hinge and folds. I'd buy another if they had a rail. My MI mount was shit and so no optic mounted on mine. It would be real simple to make a version that utilized AR barrels and hand guards. Steel or Aluminum lower. Ar mags. How about an AR18? That was 308 size right? That would rock. Project I'm involved with....... https://i.imgur.com/0GwfLDi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MXhtsun.jpg |
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that price is list price. BRN-180 uppers were on sale for about $650 with coupon and discounts. $650 range is very reasonable. one model was about $576 on sale with discounts a short time ago. Brownells is teasing with something NEW in the BRN-180 line for shot show. Should be GOOD. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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IF it doesn't cost more than a comparable AR. Brownell's $800+ upper is wildly overpriced. BRN-180 uppers were on sale for about $650 with coupon and discounts. $650 range is very reasonable. one model was about $576 on sale with discounts a short time ago. Brownells is teasing with something NEW in the BRN-180 line for shot show. Should be GOOD. Would they call it the BRN-160? |
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AR16 - the AR18 was developed from it. Project I'm involved with....... https://i.imgur.com/0GwfLDi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MXhtsun.jpg View Quote |
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AR16 - the AR18 was developed from it. Project I'm involved with....... https://i.imgur.com/0GwfLDi.jpg https://i.imgur.com/MXhtsun.jpg View Quote |
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Look at how MarColMar is doing the Cetme L's and LC's and do it that way. All original features, with fantastic quality, and a low profile optional rail for optics...perfect.
Do it right and it could probably find it's way in among these guys... Attached File Attached File |
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Firearms have advanced since the AR-180. While I like all sorts of retro rifles, it is difficult for manufacturers to make money re-introducing firearms that went out of production years ago.
Usually, firearms go out of production because there are advances in firearms design, or other firearms shooters prefer to buy. If a firearm (like the original AR-180) was still making profit for the company, they would probably still be making them. It may not be a wise financial venture to re-introduce a firearm that went out of production because it wasn't selling well. With all that said, I think it is neat when a classic design that has been out of production gets re-introduced. However, the new firearm has to be priced low enough to encourage buyers to spend their money. The re-introduction of the 30-06 caliber, semi-auto only BAR is such a firearm. While they are very cool, they are far too expensive for me to justify spending my limited firearms budget on one. |
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I would get an AR-180 only if they redesigned it to accept standard AR magazines, had a threaded flash hider, has the original AR-180 look (not the Brownells abomination), and a folding stock!
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If it takes AR mags, I'll get on for funsies, sure.
What I really want is a modernized Daewoo K1A1. Folding stock AND DI with a fixed ejector? Boi, SiGn Me tHeEe FuUcCK uP. |
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