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Posted: 9/4/2020 9:50:03 PM EDT
 Attached FileProduction of the first new armored vehicle that will replace the Army Vietnam Era M113 armored personnel carrier is now complete, manufacturer BAE Systems announced today. The first Armored Multi-Purpose Vehicle, or AMPV, rolled off BAE's production line as part of a 2018 low-rate initial contract to deliver up to 450 of the vehicles to the Army, according to a BAE news release. https://www.military.com/daily-news/2020/09/02/army-set-receive-first-armored-vehicles-replace-vietnam-era-m113.html?ESRC=eb_200903.nl |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 9:51:34 PM EDT
[#1]
Why isn't it painted whatever color China is?
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Posted: 9/4/2020 9:52:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/4/2020 9:53:44 PM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why isn't it painted whatever color China is? China actually destroyed half their country with desertification so it just might work.  Needs the 40mm CTA gun. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 9:53:58 PM EDT
[#4]
Basically a Bradley without a turret
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Posted: 9/4/2020 9:56:43 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Basically a Bradley without a turret |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 9:57:12 PM EDT
[#6]
So replace a 113 series vehicle with an upgraded 113?
lol |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 9:58:47 PM EDT
[#7]
Quoted: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/108155/mil-armored-multi-purpose-vehicle-1800_j-1577371.JPGProduction of the first new armored vehicle that will replace the Army Vietnam Era M113.... What about the Bradley? |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 9:59:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So replace a 113 series vehicle with an upgraded 113? lol I'm glad it's not just me thinking that. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:00:59 PM EDT
[#9]
Looks like an M113 with a bunch of bolt-on armor. A heavy M113.
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:01:15 PM EDT
[#10]
I wonder if the “spray everything inside with oil” mod comes standard on this one like it’s predecessor?
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:02:02 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Basically a Bradley without a turret Wasn’t this what the Bradley was supposed to look like? I loved the 113. Unless they made it lighter and faster, meh. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:03:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So replace a 113 series vehicle with an upgraded 113? lol I say just call it the M113A4 and be done with it. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:04:07 PM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Basically a Bradley without a turret Literally. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:04:43 PM EDT
[#14]
We put 22 people in a M113 once. It wasn't fun.
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:08:25 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm glad it's not just me thinking that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So replace a 113 series vehicle with an upgraded 113? lol I'm glad it's not just me thinking that. #metoo |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:09:17 PM EDT
[#16]
I spent a lot of time in a 113, it beat walking.
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:10:52 PM EDT
[#17]
I call SHOTGUN!
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:12:04 PM EDT
[#18]
This is basically the M113 variant (MLTV) that the Army didn't choose back when they went with the Stryker
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:18:44 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Basically a Bradley without a turret Literally. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:19:58 PM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isnt that what the bradley was supposed to be from the get go? A light, fast way to get troops to the front, no turret or missiles or anything No. The Bradley was always an IFV with turret and ATGM launcher |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:27:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:29:50 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder if the “spray everything inside with oil” mod comes standard on this one like it’s predecessor? You want our soldiers to rust Mr. Smarty Pants?
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:53:16 PM EDT
[#23]
 Pentagon Wars - Bradley Fighting Vehicle Evolution |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:58:02 PM EDT
[#24]
Too bad those soon to be surplus M113's will never reach the US market. I'd love to have a shoebox on tracks!!
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Posted: 9/4/2020 10:59:02 PM EDT
[#25]
I thought the Stryker and Shinseki proved that track is obsolete. Wheels are the way to the future. s/
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:02:37 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So replace a 113 series vehicle with an upgraded 113? lol Are you a retired general with a contract? |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:10:45 PM EDT
[#27]
... armor looks novel and interesting, I'd like to know more about it
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:16:09 PM EDT
[#28]
nm what I said before. This is just a Bradley hull
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:16:56 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Too bad those soon to be surplus M113's will never reach the US market. I'd love to have a shoebox on tracks!! THIS!!!! |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:19:57 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So replace a 113 series vehicle with an upgraded 113? lol  |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:21:38 PM EDT
[#31]
I used to drive a 113. Oh, the memories...
Broke down every other day.
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:21:38 PM EDT
[#32]
It has 70% more interior space than a 113.
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:22:03 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought the Stryker and Shinseki proved that track is obsolete. Wheels are the way to the future. s/ These are for the heavy brigades, ambulances, mortar carriers etc. The Stryker will remain in the Stryker brigades. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:24:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So replace a 113 series vehicle with an upgraded 113? lol Its a bradley hull. This is something that should would have happened in the early 90s if the wall hadnt fell. The 113 needed replacing then but money dried up. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:24:43 PM EDT
[#35]
Looks a lot like a FV432.
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:29:33 PM EDT
[#36]
Yep just a cosmetic change M113. I saw the Cmd Post carrier version and it's a M577a2 with armor plates no trim vane. Just so you can carry a couple OE254, 4 radios, and maybe a mount to put a laptop and printer,. Then you load all the dog and pony crap for the TOC.
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:32:43 PM EDT
[#37]
We still have 113s? Holy smokes.
I was so happy to trade that bucket in for a Bradley. That was three decades ago. I didn’t know we still had a use for them. My first track was actually a M901 ITV.....a 113 with a turret. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:32:50 PM EDT
[#38]
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:33:37 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Isnt that what the bradley was supposed to be from the get go? A light, fast way to get troops to the front, no turret or missiles or anything Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Basically a Bradley without a turret Literally. Doctrine changed. And, understandably so. Mobility is everything. You need to be able to dismount infantry for them to fight, but you don't want to have to dismount infantry for them to fight. Too late for the goofball 80s TV movie references. *sigh* If Desert Storm and the subsequent OIF conquering and occupying of the entirety of Iraq didn't prove the validity of the IFV concept to the "Pentagon Wars" goofballs, I doubt any attempt to reason with the written word will. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:36:19 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No. The Bradley was always an IFV with turret and ATGM launcher No. It was not. It was supposed to be a faster, better armored M113. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:37:30 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: nm what I said before. This is just a Bradley hull "Just?" The important thing is it's not a 113 hull, as many here seem to be implying. This should have happened in the 1990s. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:37:55 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a bradley hull. This is something that should would have happened in the early 90s if the wall hadnt fell. The 113 needed replacing then but money dried up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So replace a 113 series vehicle with an upgraded 113? lol Its a bradley hull. This is something that should would have happened in the early 90s if the wall hadnt fell. The 113 needed replacing then but money dried up. Or, what he said. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:40:11 PM EDT
[#43]
What were the Bradley and Stryker for?
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:47:27 PM EDT
[#44]
Needs a CWIS on top
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:48:54 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Its a bradley hull. This is something that should would have happened in the early 90s if the wall hadnt fell. The 113 needed replacing then but money dried up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So replace a 113 series vehicle with an upgraded 113? lol Its a bradley hull. This is something that should would have happened in the early 90s if the wall hadnt fell. The 113 needed replacing then but money dried up. The M113A3 were still being rolled out in '89. From what I was told by friends down the street in 2AD, they were pretty good. The 1st Cav didn't get them until at least after fall of 89. |
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Posted: 9/4/2020 11:57:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The M113A3 were still being rolled out in '89. From what I was told by friends down the street in 2AD, they were pretty good. The 1st Cav didn't get them until at least after fall of 89. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So replace a 113 series vehicle with an upgraded 113? lol Its a bradley hull. This is something that should would have happened in the early 90s if the wall hadnt fell. The 113 needed replacing then but money dried up. The M113A3 were still being rolled out in '89. From what I was told by friends down the street in 2AD, they were pretty good. The 1st Cav didn't get them until at least after fall of 89. They were pretty good. They were also designed to get more years out of the 113 chassis. That was also 30 years ago! Heavy forces should have standardized around Bradley hulls decades ago. But, it was out on the back burner for many reasons. |
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Posted: 9/5/2020 12:02:57 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I used to drive a 113. Oh, the memories... Broke down every other day. iirc there were some broke down ones at Maxwell the last time I was there. |
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Posted: 9/5/2020 12:03:20 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why isn't it painted whatever color China is? War with China imo will likely involve 2 of their allies  Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 9/5/2020 12:03:43 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Basically a Bradley without a turret probably 4 times more expensive than the Bradley too |
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Posted: 9/5/2020 12:04:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The M113A3 were still being rolled out in '89. From what I was told by friends down the street in 2AD, they were pretty good. The 1st Cav didn't get them until at least after fall of 89. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So replace a 113 series vehicle with an upgraded 113? lol Its a bradley hull. This is something that should would have happened in the early 90s if the wall hadnt fell. The 113 needed replacing then but money dried up. The M113A3 were still being rolled out in '89. From what I was told by friends down the street in 2AD, they were pretty good. The 1st Cav didn't get them until at least after fall of 89. I think there were still Guard units with A2s when Sept 11th happened. It was a long drawn out fielding. |
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