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MOS 97E Interrogator/Linguist circa 1986-1991.
I can answer questions about PMCSing vehicles, since that's what we did the most. |
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Based on the replies in THIS thread, I have decided to start my own AMA thread. I was an interrogator in the Army and was also an instructor. Ask me anything, see if I will answer. If I do answer, will it be truthful and accurate? Is Enhanced Interrogations neccesary to produce good results from a subject? Are standard interrogation methods effective on their own? Do you personally a feel the reliability of interrogation results suffer when Enhanced Interrogation is used? How often does an interrogation fail to produce results? A couple of cia employees and/or ex employees can answer these questions. I doubt OP has the answers. What, was he CID? |
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Based on the replies in THIS thread, I have decided to start my own AMA thread. I was an interrogator in the Army and was also an instructor. Ask me anything, see if I will answer. If I do answer, will it be truthful and accurate? Is Enhanced Interrogations neccesary to produce good results from a subject? Are standard interrogation methods effective on their own? Do you personally a feel the reliability of interrogation results suffer when Enhanced Interrogation is used? How often does an interrogation fail to produce results? A couple of cia employees and/or ex employees can answer these questions. I doubt OP has the answers. Oh, that's the oldest trick in the book, playing on someone's ego. I'm sure the OP is far beyond those petty techniques. |
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Based on the replies in THIS thread, I have decided to start my own AMA thread. I was an interrogator in the Army and was also an instructor. Ask me anything, see if I will answer. If I do answer, will it be truthful and accurate? View Quote Were you the third gunman on the grassy knoll? |
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OP how many people have you told that AQI had a price on your head?
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Based on the replies in THIS thread, I have decided to start my own AMA thread. I was an interrogator in the Army and was also an instructor. Ask me anything, see if I will answer. If I do answer, will it be truthful and accurate? Is Enhanced Interrogations neccesary to produce good results from a subject? Are standard interrogation methods effective on their own? Do you personally a feel the reliability of interrogation results suffer when Enhanced Interrogation is used? How often does an interrogation fail to produce results? A couple of cia employees and/or ex employees can answer these questions. I doubt OP has the answers. I do know the answers. Most people will answer questions without significant pressure, when faced with certain facts (like being captured, for example). Build rapport if time allows, and you willl probably get answers. Whether they are correct or accurate is a whole other issue, but there are ways of validating that. "Enhanced" techniques would never be the first approach by a skilled interrogator. I do not personally feel that the results of "Enhanced" techniques are invalid, but they obviously need to be checked out. And if they do not, what recourse does the interrogator have at that point? |
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Are you actually going to answer any questions or just be funny?
Oh sure, finally give a serious answer right as I'm posting. |
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Quoted: Oh, that's the oldest trick in the book, playing on someone's ego. I'm sure the OP is far beyond those petty techniques. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Based on the replies in THIS thread, I have decided to start my own AMA thread. I was an interrogator in the Army and was also an instructor. Ask me anything, see if I will answer. If I do answer, will it be truthful and accurate? Is Enhanced Interrogations neccesary to produce good results from a subject? Are standard interrogation methods effective on their own? Do you personally a feel the reliability of interrogation results suffer when Enhanced Interrogation is used? How often does an interrogation fail to produce results? A couple of cia employees and/or ex employees can answer these questions. I doubt OP has the answers. Oh, that's the oldest trick in the book, playing on someone's ego. I'm sure the OP is far beyond those petty techniques. When I went through MOS school in 1986, "enhanced" interrogation techniques were not taught. We were taught that most military POWs wouldn't need to have any sort of approach technique in order to obtain information. Most of the remaining would break after being offered comfort items. Some would require a standard approach technique. If any held out after that, they would probably be forwarded to another facility for a more in-depth interrogation. At the tactical end of it, we probably wouldn't expend an inordinate amount of time on them. Edit: beaten like an uncooperative POW. |
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Can you tell if someone is lying by their handwriting? View Quote lol 99.5% of gators do literally nothing of value to the U.S. Armed Forces but conduct check in the box "interrogations" to keep people locked up without trials for as long as possible. At best. It shouldn't even be an MOS. |
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Ever try the magnifying glass out in the sun trick?
That'd make me talk. Damn but that smarts. |
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Based on the replies in THIS thread, I have decided to start my own AMA thread. I was an interrogator in the Army and was also an instructor. Ask me anything, see if I will answer. If I do answer, will it be truthful and accurate? Is Enhanced Interrogations neccesary to produce good results from a subject? Are standard interrogation methods effective on their own? Do you personally a feel the reliability of interrogation results suffer when Enhanced Interrogation is used? How often does an interrogation fail to produce results? A couple of cia employees and/or ex employees can answer these questions. I doubt OP has the answers. Oh, that's the oldest trick in the book, playing on someone's ego. I'm sure the OP is far beyond those petty techniques. I am, but didn't want to disappoint the GD masses. I had to give a morsel. |
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Hm. So no duty stations, no service status, no feeling on the irrelevance of your job.
You sure you were a gator? |
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How many common interrogation techniques (which required approval of no one other than the interrogator and were never even close to waterboarding let alone any other thing called torture) of the 80s now require O6 or above approval for implementation?
How many would the left consider "Human Experimentation" like the use of NLP in GITMO? |
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When I went through MOS school in 1986, "enhanced" interrogation techniques were not taught. We were taught that most military POWs wouldn't need to have any sort of approach technique in order to obtain information. Most of the remaining would break after being offered comfort items. Some would require a standard approach technique. If any held out after that, they would probably be forwarded to another facility for a more in-depth interrogation. At the tactical end of it, we probably wouldn't expend an inordinate amount of time on them. Edit: beaten like an uncooperative POW. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Based on the replies in THIS thread, I have decided to start my own AMA thread. I was an interrogator in the Army and was also an instructor. Ask me anything, see if I will answer. If I do answer, will it be truthful and accurate? Is Enhanced Interrogations neccesary to produce good results from a subject? Are standard interrogation methods effective on their own? Do you personally a feel the reliability of interrogation results suffer when Enhanced Interrogation is used? How often does an interrogation fail to produce results? A couple of cia employees and/or ex employees can answer these questions. I doubt OP has the answers. Oh, that's the oldest trick in the book, playing on someone's ego. I'm sure the OP is far beyond those petty techniques. When I went through MOS school in 1986, "enhanced" interrogation techniques were not taught. We were taught that most military POWs wouldn't need to have any sort of approach technique in order to obtain information. Most of the remaining would break after being offered comfort items. Some would require a standard approach technique. If any held out after that, they would probably be forwarded to another facility for a more in-depth interrogation. At the tactical end of it, we probably wouldn't expend an inordinate amount of time on them. Edit: beaten like an uncooperative POW. Correct, they are transferred to other facilities/groups are additional "processing". |
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[Oh, that's the oldest trick in the book, playing on someone's ego. I'm sure the OP is far beyond those petty techniques. I am, but didn't want to disappoint the GD masses. I had to give a morsel. It was supposed to be a funny way of doing the same thing lawyerup did, only backwards....subtle like. |
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Did you observe that different types of personalities would react different to you or your techniques? If so what where they?
What was the weirdest interrogation that you had that you can divulge any info about the said weirdness? Did you learn cultural mannerisms to make people you were interrogating feel more comfortable or trustworthy? If so what were they? What was the difference in interrogating men vs. women? How were the tactics different in verbal and non-verbal? What is the approx. number of subjects you interrogated? Did you ever learn about how the validity of the info you received made it to the ground to help make some mission or objective successful? If so can you summarize that into a brief explanation? Can you tell us some stories of difficult subjects and what it took to get viable intel from them if any? |
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Did you ever interrogate outside of your authority designated in fm 2-22.3 or any of the prior "manuals?"
Has anyone ever asked "Am I being detained?" |
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Just did. I guess I broke too easily. Damn. I tried to hold out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Are you actually going to answer any questions or just be funny? Just did. I guess I broke too easily. Damn. I tried to hold out. You caught me in my edit. |
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I do know the answers. Most people will answer questions without significant pressure, when faced with certain facts (like being captured, for example). Build rapport if time allows, and you willl probably get answers. Whether they are correct or accurate is a whole other issue, but there are ways of validating that. "Enhanced" techniques would never be the first approach by a skilled interrogator. I do not personally feel that the results of "Enhanced" techniques are invalid, but they obviously need to be checked out. And if they do not, what recourse does the interrogator have at that point? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Based on the replies in THIS thread, I have decided to start my own AMA thread. I was an interrogator in the Army and was also an instructor. Ask me anything, see if I will answer. If I do answer, will it be truthful and accurate? Is Enhanced Interrogations neccesary to produce good results from a subject? Are standard interrogation methods effective on their own? Do you personally a feel the reliability of interrogation results suffer when Enhanced Interrogation is used? How often does an interrogation fail to produce results? A couple of cia employees and/or ex employees can answer these questions. I doubt OP has the answers. I do know the answers. Most people will answer questions without significant pressure, when faced with certain facts (like being captured, for example). Build rapport if time allows, and you willl probably get answers. Whether they are correct or accurate is a whole other issue, but there are ways of validating that. "Enhanced" techniques would never be the first approach by a skilled interrogator. I do not personally feel that the results of "Enhanced" techniques are invalid, but they obviously need to be checked out. And if they do not, what recourse does the interrogator have at that point? torture harder? Edit: I mean, bigger broomstick |
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I played the role of "Brother". I looked young and cried easily. Whoops, wrong thread. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Based on the replies in THIS thread, I have decided to start my own AMA thread. I was an interrogator in the Army and was also an instructor. Ask me anything, see if I will answer. If I do answer, will it be truthful and accurate? Tell me about your role. I played the role of "Brother". I looked young and cried easily. Whoops, wrong thread. An Oedipus Complex.......intredasting |
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Probably people who stutter really badly are challenging, especially if it's not your native language. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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What kind of person is the toughest to interrogate? Probably people who stutter really badly are challenging, especially if it's not your native language. Did you waterboard Simple Jack? |
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What kind of person is the toughest to interrogate? Probably people who stutter really badly are challenging, especially if it's not your native language. Did you waterboard Simple Jack? Never go full retard |
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Who's better you guys are USMC HET?
My buddy got a finger in the butt from a HET guy to dime out where his other opfor team members were on a VBSS training thing for Force. |
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lol. as a 35M myself, please forgive my laughter at how seriously OP seems to take himself. All that's required to be an Army interrogator is to finish the ridiculously easy course at Huachuca (or Utah), where almost everyone gets pushed through anyway. I saw lots of (private and specialist) morons graduate Huachuca and go out into the world as "interrogators". Some of them did one deployment, maybe doing interrogations, maybe doing source ops, maybe doing not much of either, and then come back and instruct at Huachuca because the money wasn't bad and they qualified by simply having mob'ed and graduated the original course. HT-JCOE has some more stringent requirements for their SOC and DSDC course instructors.
In the case of the OP, he probably was an instructor at the Utah Regional Training Center at Camp Williams and in the National Guard, because active duty 35M's haven't had a language requirement for the last decade. And languages are a joke, because you just take the DLPT and if you get 1 out of 3, you technically qualify for language pay in that language, even if you can't speak it. Conversely, languages such as Dari and Farsi, which are functionally different dialects of the same language, qualify the soldier for two separate language payments and count as separate languages.
The regulations and rules surrounding interrogations over the last several years (since abu gharib) have been so strict that an O6 (Full bird colonel) has to (but rarely will) sign off on any interrogation plan proposing to use mutt/jeff (good/bad cop) or false flag approaches. Anything more "advanced" than that is strictly prohibited and will land the entire chain of command in prison. Everything else is pretty much subtle psychology, such as "pride and ego up/down" or "love of family/country, etc"... stuff you'd use on your friends to get them to do something they didnt want to do. Most interrogations are pretty boring, because unless you are getting a first crack at the subject, he's probably been getting interrogated longer than the interrogator has been an interrogator and he knows the game. There were some of the interrogators in my unit that got tasked to a special task force with SOF to do interrogations. Those were much less rigidly controlled than most of the conventional interrogation facilities, but they still had to play exactly by the book. They just got to wear cooler clothes and grow longer beards. Army interrogations pretty much consist of sitting in a room with a guy and chatting him up for hours at a time... buddying up to him or offering him better accommodations/ cigarettes etc, then filing another interrogation plan the next time and doing it all again...hoping to glean some little detail or crumb of info that can be construed into an IIR. And there isn't even much of that going on anymore. It's a toxic branch of intelligence that no career officer wants anything to do with because of the potential to lose their jobs over the actions of some idiot E4. OGA's and other specialized units do their own interrogations, but the Army has mostly stepped out of the business for political reasons. |
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MOS 97E Interrogator/Linguist circa 1986-1991. I can answer questions about PMCSing vehicles, since that's what we did the most. Listen to this man, he speaks the truth. VII CORP? |
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lol. as a 35M myself, please forgive my laughter at how seriously OP seems to take himself. All that's required to be an Army interrogator is to finish the ridiculously easy course at Huachuca (or Utah), where almost everyone gets pushed through anyway. I saw lots of (private and specialist) morons graduate Huachuca and go out into the world as "interrogators". Some of them did one deployment, maybe doing interrogations, maybe doing source ops, maybe doing not much of either, and then come back and instruct at Huachuca because the money wasn't bad and they qualified by simply having mob'ed and graduated the original course. HT-JCOE has some more stringent requirements for their SOC and DSDC course instructors. In the case of the OP, he probably was an instructor at the Utah Regional Training Center at Camp Williams and in the National Guard, because active duty 35M's haven't had a language requirement for the last decade. And languages are a joke, because you just take the DLPT and if you get 1 out of 3, you technically qualify for language pay in that language, even if you can't speak it. Conversely, languages such as Dari and Farsi, which are functionally different dialects of the same language, qualify the soldier for two separate language payments and count as separate languages. The regulations and rules surrounding interrogations over the last several years (since abu gharib) have been so strict that an O6 (Full bird colonel) has to (but rarely will) sign off on any interrogation plan proposing to use mutt/jeff (good/bad cop) or false flag approaches. Anything more "advanced" than that is strictly prohibited and will land the entire chain of command in prison. Everything else is pretty much subtle psychology, such as "pride and ego up/down" or "love of family/country, etc"... stuff you'd use on your friends to get them to do something they didnt want to do. Most interrogations are pretty boring, because unless you are getting a first crack at the subject, he's probably been getting interrogated longer than the interrogator has been an interrogator and he knows the game. There were some of the interrogators in my unit that got tasked to a special task force with SOF to do interrogations. Those were much less rigidly controlled than most of the conventional interrogation facilities, but they still had to play exactly by the book. They just got to wear cooler clothes and grow longer beards. Army interrogations pretty much consist of sitting in a room with a guy and chatting him up for hours at a time... buddying up to him or offering him better accommodations/ cigarettes etc, then filing another interrogation plan the next time and doing it all again...hoping to glean some little detail or crumb of info that can be construed into an IIR. And there isn't even much of that going on anymore. It's a toxic branch of intelligence that no career officer wants anything to do with because of the potential to lose their jobs over the actions of some idiot E4. OGA's and other specialized units do their own interrogations, but the Army has mostly stepped out of the business for political reasons. View Quote See ladies and gentlemen. This is a real gator. OP is a tradoc commando instructor who is used to talking about his job to kids. |
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I'll dispel some myths. 1. I'm not gay or fixated with trannies. 2. I am married to a (former) model. 3. I have a 10" penis. 4. I am a multimillionaire. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I imagine you can't (or won't) answer a lot of these questions. So, maybe you could dispel some myths, or regale us with a good story from your time as an interrogator? I think this thread is a neat idea, but it seems like go fish. I'll dispel some myths. 1. I'm not gay or fixated with trannies. 2. I am married to a (former) model. 3. I have a 10" penis. 4. I am a multimillionaire. All lies |
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Do your techniques differ substantially from the Interview/Interrogation process as taught via the "Reid Technique"?
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I imagine you can't (or won't) answer a lot of these questions. So, maybe you could dispel some myths, or regale us with a good story from your time as an interrogator? I think this thread is a neat idea, but it seems like go fish. I'll dispel some myths. 1. I'm not gay or fixated with trannies. 2. I am married to a (former) model. 3. I have a 10" penis. 4. I am a multimillionaire. All lies Yep. All lies. What he means to say is he married a billionaire, former tranny model with an 11"dick. I keed, I keed. |
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Do jumper cables from a 12 volt battery hooked up to a mans nipples really make him talk, or just in the movies?
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Did you ever use the Kandahar cockwrench or the Fallujah firehose?
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If there was no right or wrong, zero chance of repercussions and only the need for the fastest info possible. The subject refuses to speak would you use pain compliance right away? What would be target ? Remember speed is number one concern. |
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Do your techniques differ substantially from the Interview/Interrogation process as taught via the "Reid Technique"? Did you find yourself doing interviews more or interrogations? Lol @ Reid I knew a PX Security guy that used a modified version of their question list example to solve a CLASS VI store robbery. MPI stopped due to lack of leads and after I told him that meant he could do whatever he desired to in the way of investigation since he was no longer in Military Intelligence but working as a civilian for DoD. He handed his findings to MPI who went at suspect again and suspect confessed. I wouldn't pay for their course but the book is worth using as reference material. Laboratory for Scientific Interrogation courses better. Reid and LSI courses have both been attended in the past by military sent to the courses on REDTRAIN funds.or whatever it was called. More as add-on training not initial training. Made Thursday mornings in the Army more interesting to have people who have gone to these type of courses as well as ASI courses the Army has.. |
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Thank you for the info. I manage a small PI company and we are growing...I'm looking for accredited courses to send my guys too. Reid is one...and ESI is the other (for the EP stuff).
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I knew a PX Security guy that used a modified version of their question list example to solve a CLASS VI store robbery. MPI stopped due to lack of leads and after I told him that meant he could do whatever he desired to in the way of investigation since he was no longer in Military Intelligence but working as a civilian for DoD. He handed his findings to MPI who went at suspect again and suspect confessed. I wouldn't pay for their course but the book is worth using as reference material. Laboratory for Scientific Interrogation courses better. Reid and LSI courses have both been attended in the past by military sent to the courses on REDTRAIN funds.or whatever it was called. More as add-on training not initial training. Made Thursday mornings in the Army more interesting to have people who have gone to these type of courses as well as ASI courses the Army has.. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Do your techniques differ substantially from the Interview/Interrogation process as taught via the "Reid Technique"? Did you find yourself doing interviews more or interrogations? Lol @ Reid I knew a PX Security guy that used a modified version of their question list example to solve a CLASS VI store robbery. MPI stopped due to lack of leads and after I told him that meant he could do whatever he desired to in the way of investigation since he was no longer in Military Intelligence but working as a civilian for DoD. He handed his findings to MPI who went at suspect again and suspect confessed. I wouldn't pay for their course but the book is worth using as reference material. Laboratory for Scientific Interrogation courses better. Reid and LSI courses have both been attended in the past by military sent to the courses on REDTRAIN funds.or whatever it was called. More as add-on training not initial training. Made Thursday mornings in the Army more interesting to have people who have gone to these type of courses as well as ASI courses the Army has.. Reid and LSI are like crossfit for government security. Very expensive marketing scheme targeting the lowest hanging fruit. I've done both on the gov dime FWIW, before Reid was busted out for being FOS and making piles of cash for something not scientifically sound. So I guess at best it can turn your average mouth breather into a ouji dog. |
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I knew a PX Security guy that used a modified version of their question list example to solve a CLASS VI store robbery. MPI stopped due to lack of leads and after I told him that meant he could do whatever he desired to in the way of investigation since he was no longer in Military Intelligence but working as a civilian for DoD. He handed his findings to MPI who went at suspect again and suspect confessed. I wouldn't pay for their course but the book is worth using as reference material. Laboratory for Scientific Interrogation courses better. Reid and LSI courses have both been attended in the past by military sent to the courses on REDTRAIN funds.or whatever it was called. More as add-on training not initial training. Made Thursday mornings in the Army more interesting to have people who have gone to these type of courses as well as ASI courses the Army has.. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Do your techniques differ substantially from the Interview/Interrogation process as taught via the "Reid Technique"? Did you find yourself doing interviews more or interrogations? Lol @ Reid I knew a PX Security guy that used a modified version of their question list example to solve a CLASS VI store robbery. MPI stopped due to lack of leads and after I told him that meant he could do whatever he desired to in the way of investigation since he was no longer in Military Intelligence but working as a civilian for DoD. He handed his findings to MPI who went at suspect again and suspect confessed. I wouldn't pay for their course but the book is worth using as reference material. Laboratory for Scientific Interrogation courses better. Reid and LSI courses have both been attended in the past by military sent to the courses on REDTRAIN funds.or whatever it was called. More as add-on training not initial training. Made Thursday mornings in the Army more interesting to have people who have gone to these type of courses as well as ASI courses the Army has.. In a real gator/CI unit, ASIs only matter for promotions and Thursday is for doing nothing. That's because real gator/CI units training for what they do downrange. Nothing. |
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Do your techniques differ substantially from the Interview/Interrogation process as taught via the "Reid Technique"? Did you find yourself doing interviews more or interrogations? Lol @ Reid I knew a PX Security guy that used a modified version of their question list example to solve a CLASS VI store robbery. MPI stopped due to lack of leads and after I told him that meant he could do whatever he desired to in the way of investigation since he was no longer in Military Intelligence but working as a civilian for DoD. He handed his findings to MPI who went at suspect again and suspect confessed. I wouldn't pay for their course but the book is worth using as reference material. Laboratory for Scientific Interrogation courses better. Reid and LSI courses have both been attended in the past by military sent to the courses on REDTRAIN funds.or whatever it was called. More as add-on training not initial training. Made Thursday mornings in the Army more interesting to have people who have gone to these type of courses as well as ASI courses the Army has.. In a real gator/CI unit, ASIs only matter for promotions and Thursday is for doing nothing. That's because real gator/CI units training for what they do downrange. Nothing. Nice to know. I've been out for quite awhile. I went to Basic back in 86. Gator was a type of recreational vehicle in back home in MN. |
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