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Posted: 12/16/2011 5:07:26 PM EST

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I hate to tell you but Abe never existed
the makers of Lincoln logs made those stories up to sell toys

Next you are going to tell me that the man on my Oatmeal ain't real either!

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:14:59 PM EST

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I see the attacks on Christianity are allowed to continue.. As usual..

hmmm....

Not sure what to think about this statement.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:16:06 PM EST

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Athiests are only slightly less annoying than liberals. Not because they don't believe in God, but because they absolutely can't stand that I do. It's demonstrated here daily and maybe even hourly.

I feel the same about theists.

My mother died on the 7th, & we just had her funeral last week. I have to sit through all the bullshit about how she is up in heaven with my father, & all those that came before her, Nobody gave a fuck that I don't belive in all your bullshit.

But did I say shit ? No, because I have more couth than that. But it is the fact that no one gives a fuck what the atheist thinks, that pisses us off. As if we are second class citizens for our non-belief in your god.

That is why we do what we do. You give us no other outlet.

Wow. You do realize the funeral was for your mother, not you, and probably arrainged as she wanted it to be done. Are you seriously that self centered, that you would sit in your own mother's funeral and think "this is bullshit why the fuck don't the respect my lack of belief in her stupid religion." Seriously? At her funeral?

Secondly: how are you a second class citizen? You are allowed to vote, but you don't. You are alowed to own property, but you probably do not. You are permitted to get an education, but you blew that off to "self educate" yourself with Ayn Rand. It seems to me that the only one making you a second class citizen is yourself and you want to have someone to blame for your shourtcomings. PLease, enlighten us, how are the Joos and the Xians keeping you down, man?

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:16:26 PM EST

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So, BR, you never did answer my question......

I didn't vote at all. If I had to vote ( which I probably won't) I would vote for Ron Paul, although I do not agree with him on abortion.

Wait a minute...

You claim to hate Christians because they vote based on methods which you disagree with.

Then you admit that you don't vote.

Wow. You ARE special.

So with a choice like McCain or Obama, what difference does it make? I would vote when the candidates actually have different positions and are not corporate shills.

By that rationale.... why did it matter who the Christians voted for?

Logic... how does it fucking work?

So now that your whole premise for why you dislike Christians has been shot down....

What's the real truth?

I suspect that you are a product of a public school education and you are desperate to conform to the standards which modern pop culture has decided illustrate intelligence.

Because Christians often vote for values over things that actually matter, candidates have to conform to the stupid. If Christians stopped voting on things that don't need to be voted on, we could focus on the issues that matter and perhaps the selection of candidates would be more substantive if they didn't have to talk about things that don't belong in politics. My whole premise for disliking Christianity has not been "shot down" as Christians are still gullible and can be lead whichever way the leaders desire. If our leaders can divide us on a completely inconsequential and moronic issue like gay marriage, then public discourse is not focusing on important issues. Why do Christians care whether gays can get married? Because some little passage in the magic book says that gay=bad.

If modern pop culture has decided that questioning willful ignorance illustrates intelligence ( it hasn't) then I'd be all for it. Your bringing up of public school is irrelevant as I educated myself by my own will and not that of some teacher. A man can go to a private school and come out a complete moron. Just look at some of our past presidents.

You are making a lot of assumptions.

Most of the people I know, secular or Christian... really don't care whether or not gays get married. I personally don't care. A whole lot of Catholics vote democrat. And nobody loves retaining the lawful right to stab a baby in the head like a democrat.

The crux of the issue for you seems to be your incoherent assertion that religion skews politics. Meanwhile, you don't care enough to vote. But you care enough to troll... apparently.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:17:28 PM EST

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Writings of Josephus (non-biblical early historian)

Chapter 3 paragraph 3

(63) Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. (64) And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross [2], those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day [3], as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named for him, are not extinct at this day.

"Flavius Josephus (c. A.D. 37-100) was born to an aristocratic Jewish family, served as a priest, and later became the commander of Jewish forces in Galilee following the revolt against Rome that began A.D. 66. Captured by the Romans, Josephus spent his later life in Rome under the patronage of the Roman emperors where he composed his history of the Jewish people and his account of the Jewish war that led to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in A.D. 70."

There you go! You asked for a non-biblical reference and there you have it. I bet you money you still don't believe.

Ya know... if Jesus was so important I'd expect at least one eyewitness to record what he saw at the time of miracles occurring.

Not one eyewitness.

Not one.

Hmmm.

Keep moving those goalposts, you wouldn't want to have your beliefs (or lack thereof) challenged.

The atheists in this thread claimed there was no reputable historical evidence of Jesus. Several posters provided the evidence, and now suddenly there needs to be an eyewitness account.

The Gospel of Mark is considered by historians to be compiled from written accounts of Jesus' ministry; tradition states it was based on the Apostle Peter's account of Jesus' life. In other words, an eyewitness account from a contemporary of Jesus.

But I'm sure you'll find some other way to not accept it. As Jesus said: "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

So apparently Gibbons could not have written Rise and Fall unless he hung out at the Forum with Caligua?

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:17:39 PM EST

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So, BR, you never did answer my question......

I didn't vote at all. If I had to vote ( which I probably won't) I would vote for Ron Paul, although I do not agree with him on abortion.

Wait a minute...

You claim to hate Christians because they vote based on methods which you disagree with.

Then you admit that you don't vote.

Wow. You ARE special.

So with a choice like McCain or Obama, what difference does it make? I would vote when the candidates actually have different positions and are not corporate shills.

By that rationale.... why did it matter who the Christians voted for?

Logic... how does it fucking work?

So now that your whole premise for why you dislike Christians has been shot down....

What's the real truth?

I suspect that you are a product of a public school education and you are desperate to conform to the standards which modern pop culture has decided illustrate intelligence.

"I don't vote" but then complains about those who actualy do their civic duty and vote.
"COrporate shills."
"Self educated" (RE dropout) . I'm getting the image of a Che shirt wearing highschool junior or senior.

I'd wager your suspicions are accurate.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:18:41 PM EST

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The thing about the atheist display is that it features characters/things that actually existed.

Right. Jesus never existed.

Actually, you're right. There is no non-Biblical evidence of Jesus ever existing. No archeological or historical evidence. None.

I'd like to be proven wrong on this one. Present some objectively verifiable evidence that isn't from a book of stories and I'll eat my words.

http://www.bede.org.uk/Josephus.htm

Again, in the first sentence it says some of the passages are questionable......

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:19:56 PM EST

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Atheists are just so cool, edgy and hip.

Hitchins is still being stabbed by Satan...right in the booty.

So basing you world view on logic, reason and evidence is considered edgy and hip?

Who knew?

An intelligent atheist would certainly have a leg to stand on if they wanted to debate the divinity of Jesus.

To choose to debate his very existence, which is pretty much accepted as fact by historians, shows how batshit crazy some atheists are. The dead sea scrolls are documents from antiquity that discuss Jesus. Then we have a handful of Roman sources. He is mentioned in the koran... if the bible is that distasteful a source.

Considering the span of time and the fragile nature of written history, there is as much written history of Jesus as there is of almost anyone from that time frame with the exception of generals, senators, emperors and roman officials.

Was there at some point around 2000 years ago a man by the name of Jesus Christ? It'd be difficult to argue that there couldn't have been. The proof is scant, but in all likelihood someone named Christ probably was preaching at that time. Did he conform to the biblical story? No. I'm going further than just saying he wasn't divine and disputing the accuracy of the accepted narrative. With it being written 40 years after his death, there's no possible way that it would be completely accurate. There sure is a lot of inconsistency in a book that Christians claim came from an all knowing god. Maybe god just had dementia? That's why he isn't playing with us anymore.

Well there you have it folks.

Comical.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:22:24 PM EST

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The thing about the atheist display is that it features characters/things that actually existed.

Dude, they totally had goats and camels and shit in Bethlehem 2000 years ago. And hay, I always remember a lot of hay in manger scenes. I feel confident they had hey in Judea 2000 years ago.

On a serious note

as an atheist these people need to chill the fuck out. I find one of the benefits of being an atheist is is not having as much stress around xmas time.

I dont see it. We still do christmas. Its a flippin kids holiday. Like an extra birthday or something

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:24:41 PM EST

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I've never seen an atheist stay an atheist to the bitter end.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:25:00 PM EST

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Writings of Josephus (non-biblical early historian)

Chapter 3 paragraph 3

(63) Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. (64) And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross [2], those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day [3], as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named for him, are not extinct at this day.

"Flavius Josephus (c. A.D. 37-100) was born to an aristocratic Jewish family, served as a priest, and later became the commander of Jewish forces in Galilee following the revolt against Rome that began A.D. 66. Captured by the Romans, Josephus spent his later life in Rome under the patronage of the Roman emperors where he composed his history of the Jewish people and his account of the Jewish war that led to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in A.D. 70."

There you go! You asked for a non-biblical reference and there you have it. I bet you money you still don't believe.

Ya know... if Jesus was so important I'd expect at least one eyewitness to record what he saw at the time of miracles occurring.

Not one eyewitness.

Not one.

Hmmm.

Keep moving those goalposts, you wouldn't want to have your beliefs (or lack thereof) challenged.

The atheists in this thread claimed there was no reputable historical evidence of Jesus. Several posters provided the evidence, and now suddenly there needs to be an eyewitness account.

The Gospel of Mark is considered by historians to be compiled from written accounts of Jesus' ministry; tradition states it was based on the Apostle Peter's account of Jesus' life. In other words, an eyewitness account from a contemporary of Jesus.

But I'm sure you'll find some other way to not accept it. As Jesus said: "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

So apparently Gibbons could not have written Rise and Fall unless he hung out at the Forum with Caligua?

Is he giving direct quotes?

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:25:16 PM EST

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The thing about the atheist display is that it features characters/things that actually existed.

Right. Jesus never existed.

Actually, you're right. There is no non-Biblical evidence of Jesus ever existing. No archeological or historical evidence. None.
I'd like to be proven wrong on this one. Present some objectively verifiable evidence that isn't from a book of stories and I'll eat my words.

http://www.bede.org.uk/Josephus.htm

Again, in the first sentence it says some of the passages are questionable......

Yes, but if you actually read it and what it says about the main account of Jesus, a much different picture appears. First, Josephus:

Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call
him a man, for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as
receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews,
and many of the Gentiles. He was the Christ, and when Pilate, at the
suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross,
those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them
alive again the third day; as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten
thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians so
named from him are not extinct at this day.

And this is what the historians quoted in the article say about the above passage:

It is not the purpose of this article to address the arguments of the few
commentators - mostly Jesus Mythologists - who doubt the authenticity of the
second reference. According to leading Josephus scholar Louis H. Feldman, the
authenticity of this passage "has been almost universally acknowledged" by
scholars. (Feldman, "Josephus," Anchor Bible Dictionary, Vol. 3, pages
990-91). Instead, this article focuses on arguments regarding the partial
authenticity of the TF.

Although Josephus' reference to the martyrdom of James is universally
accepted by critical scholars, there has been more controversy over the fuller
reference to Jesus. The TF contains some obvious Christian glosses that no Jew
would have written; such as "he was the Christ" and "he appeared to them alive
again the third day."

A strong majority of scholars, however, have concluded that much of the TF is
authentic to Josephus. In his book Josephus and Modern Scholarship,
Professor Feldman reports that between 1937 to 1980, of 52 scholars reviewing
the subject, 39 found portions of the TF to be authentic. Peter Kirby's own
review of the literature, in an article discussing the TF in depth, shows that
the trend in modern scholarship has moved even more dramatically towards partial
authenticity: "In my own reading of thirteen books since 1980 that touch upon
the passage, ten out of thirteen argue the Testimonium to be partly genuine,
while the other three maintain it to be entirely spurious. Coincidentally, the
same three books also argue that Jesus did not exist." (Kirby,
Testamonium
Flavianum, 2001). Though my own studies have revealed a similar trend
(about 15 to 1 for partial authenticity, with the exception being a Jesus
Mythologist), I do not believe that it is a coincidence that it is Jesus
Mythologists who are carrying the water against the partial authenticity theory.
Even the partial validity of this one passage is enough to sink their entire
argument.

Notably, the consensus for partial authenticity is held by scholars from
diverse perspectives. Liberal commentators such as Robert Funk, J. Dominic
Crossan, and A.N. Wilson, accept a substantial part of the TF as originally
Josephan. So do Jewish scholars, such as Geza Vermes, Louis H. Feldman, and Paul
Winter and secular scholars such as E.P. Sanders and Paula Fredrikson. Even Jeff
Lowder, co-founder of the Secular Web, recognizes the merits of the partial
authenticity theory. (Lowder,

Josh McDowell's Evidence for Jesus: Is it Reliable? 2000). Paula
Fredrikson sums up the state of the question among scholars: "Most scholars
currently incline to see the passage as basically authentic, with a few later
insertions by Christian scribes." (Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews,
page 249).

Those scholars who accept the "partial authenticity" theory conclude that -
at a minimum - something similar to the following reconstruction of the TF was
likely original to Book 18:

At this time there appeared Jesus, a wise man. For he was a doer of
startling deeds, a teacher of people who receive the truth with pleasure. And
he gained a following among many Jews and among many of Gentile origin. And
when Pilate, because of an accusation made by the leading men among us,
condemned him to the cross, those who had loved him previously did not cease
to do so. And up until this very day the tribe of Christians (named after him)
had not died out.

But keep moving those goalposts....

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:26:41 PM EST

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Athiests are only slightly less annoying than liberals. Not because they don't believe in God, but because they absolutely can't stand that I do. It's demonstrated here daily and maybe even hourly.

I feel the same about theists.

My mother died on the 7th, & we just had her funeral last week. I have to sit through all the bullshit about how she is up in heaven with my father, & all those that came before her, Nobody gave a fuck that I don't belive in all your bullshit.

But did I say shit ? No, because I have more couth than that. But it is the fact that no one gives a fuck what the atheist thinks, that pisses us off. As if we are second class citizens for our non-belief in your god.

That is why we do what we do. You give us no other outlet.

You know I was about to post what I would suppose that two atheists might have to say about a person's death..... based on what I have seen in this thread. But it would have probably gotten me the ban hammer.

Because if you want to boil it all down to biology and science... there isn't much pleasant left to talk about after we kick the bucket.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:27:15 PM EST

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The thing about the atheist display is that it features characters/things that actually existed.

Right. Jesus never existed.

Actually, you're right. There is no non-Biblical evidence of Jesus ever existing. No archeological or historical evidence. None.

I'd like to be proven wrong on this one. Present some objectively verifiable evidence that isn't from a book of stories and I'll eat my words.

http://www.bede.org.uk/Josephus.htm

Again, in the first sentence it says some of the passages are questionable......

That makes no sense, as any scholarly work starts with a similar phrase. Here let me pick up a random book from the shelf: Wages of War. "This book will attempt to explore the the bias against every postwar generation from the Revolution to the Vietnam war." Many scholarly works start with such phrases as "attempt to prove" "explore the possability" "may indicate evidence off." It is a bit silly to disregard the work on the basis of an opening sentence.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:28:23 PM EST

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Atheists are just so cool, edgy and hip.

Hitchins is still being stabbed by Satan...right in the booty.

Stay classy.....

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:28:41 PM EST

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Athiests are only slightly less annoying than liberals. Not because they don't believe in God, but because they absolutely can't stand that I do. It's demonstrated here daily and maybe even hourly.

I feel the same about theists.

My mother died on the 7th, & we just had her funeral last week. I have to sit through all the bullshit about how she is up in heaven with my father, & all those that came before her, Nobody gave a fuck that I don't belive in all your bullshit.

But did I say shit ? No, because I have more couth than that. But it is the fact that no one gives a fuck what the atheist thinks, that pisses us off. As if we are second class citizens for our non-belief in your god.

That is why we do what we do. You give us no other outlet.

It's all about meeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

I'm guessing you're joking.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:29:43 PM EST

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Those aren't athiests. They are anti-christians.

Exactly.

There are atheists - who really don't give a shit, and couldn't care less what other people believe - and then there are the rabid anti-religious types.

Two very different groups. The former are nice, and completely harmless. The later are flaming assholes.

Evangelical atheists feel a need to recruit members by discrediting other religions. Pretty soon they'll be going door to door like Jahovah's Witnesses, LDS missionaries, Avon Ladies and Amway salesmen.

For those who will complain about my use of evangelical, I'm using a lesser definition of:
"marked by ardent or zealous enthusiasm for a cause. "

When they do, you be sure to let us know.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:31:16 PM EST

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Writings of Josephus (non-biblical early historian)

Chapter 3 paragraph 3

(63) Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. (64) And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross [2], those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day [3], as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named for him, are not extinct at this day.

"Flavius Josephus (c. A.D. 37-100) was born to an aristocratic Jewish family, served as a priest, and later became the commander of Jewish forces in Galilee following the revolt against Rome that began A.D. 66. Captured by the Romans, Josephus spent his later life in Rome under the patronage of the Roman emperors where he composed his history of the Jewish people and his account of the Jewish war that led to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in A.D. 70."

There you go! You asked for a non-biblical reference and there you have it. I bet you money you still don't believe.

Ya know... if Jesus was so important I'd expect at least one eyewitness to record what he saw at the time of miracles occurring.

Not one eyewitness.

Not one.

Hmmm.

Keep moving those goalposts, you wouldn't want to have your beliefs (or lack thereof) challenged.

The atheists in this thread claimed there was no reputable historical evidence of Jesus. Several posters provided the evidence, and now suddenly there needs to be an eyewitness account.

The Gospel of Mark is considered by historians to be compiled from written accounts of Jesus' ministry; tradition states it was based on the Apostle Peter's account of Jesus' life. In other words, an eyewitness account from a contemporary of Jesus.

But I'm sure you'll find some other way to not accept it. As Jesus said: "If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."

So apparently Gibbons could not have written Rise and Fall unless he hung out at the Forum with Caligua?

Is he giving direct quotes?

SInce he was born 1700 years after Rome fell, he does give quotes, but they are a tad bit secondhand. ANd, by EMCON's standards, invalid.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:33:20 PM EST

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Atheists are just so cool, edgy and hip.

Hitchins is still being stabbed by Satan...right in the booty.

So basing you world view on logic, reason and evidence is considered edgy and hip?

Who knew?

An intelligent atheist would certainly have a leg to stand on if they wanted to debate the divinity of Jesus.

To choose to debate his very existence, which is pretty much accepted as fact by historians, shows how batshit crazy some atheists are. The dead sea scrolls are documents from antiquity that discuss Jesus. Then we have a handful of Roman sources. He is mentioned in the koran... if the bible is that distasteful a source.Considering the span of time and the fragile nature of written history, there is as much written history of Jesus as there is of almost anyone from that time frame with the exception of generals, senators, emperors and roman officials.

Its not that it is a distatesful source, its that it is a flawed source, written by unknown persons years after the supposed life of jesus. The quran is an even newer text than the bible.... 700 some odd years old. So it is equally flawed.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:35:43 PM EST

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I'm a Christian, and I believe I would have laughed had I seen that.

Therin lies the message.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:38:31 PM EST

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No religion bitterly clings to their beliefs quite like Atheists...

And no religion proselytizes like they do either.

Probably seems that way from all the "flying spaghetti monster is lord" signs you see on the side of the road, and all the atheists that come to your door....

Understandable.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:39:25 PM EST

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Atheists are just so cool, edgy and hip.

Hitchins is still being stabbed by Satan...right in the booty.

So basing you world view on logic, reason and evidence is considered edgy and hip?

Who knew?

An intelligent atheist would certainly have a leg to stand on if they wanted to debate the divinity of Jesus.

To choose to debate his very existence, which is pretty much accepted as fact by historians, shows how batshit crazy some atheists are. The dead sea scrolls are documents from antiquity that discuss Jesus. Then we have a handful of Roman sources. He is mentioned in the koran... if the bible is that distasteful a source.Considering the span of time and the fragile nature of written history, there is as much written history of Jesus as there is of almost anyone from that time frame with the exception of generals, senators, emperors and roman officials.

Its not that it is a distatesful source, its that it is a flawed source, written by unknown persons years after the supposed life of jesus. The quran is an even newer text than the bible.... 700 some odd years old. So it is equally flawed.

Well it is a damn shame Jesus didn't find a 13th apostle to be a scribe and a 14th to be a notary.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:42:04 PM EST

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I see the attacks on Christianity are allowed to continue.. As usual..

It's cool, there is a thread attacking Atheism as well. GD is equal opportunity and pretty much attacks everyone.

There is a COC rule about attacking the religion of people, not the lack of one... Therefore there is no violation in attacking atheism, unless you want to argue that it is a religion.. Really want to do that?

But as I said in the thread that got locked, the overt attacks on Christianity are just fine, but historically accurate facts about abotber certain religion from the middle east will get you locked...

There are some here that believe atheism is a religion.

However I maintain that you and I, and all the others here are atheists when it comes to all other gods except one. When you understand why all the others are BS you will understand why we think yours is.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:42:13 PM EST

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On a related note, did you guys know that Alexander the Great didn't really exist?

Apart from a few inscriptions and fragments, texts written by people who actually knew Alexander or who gathered information from men who served with Alexander were all lost.[12] Contemporaries who wrote accounts of his life included Alexander's campaign historian Callisthenes; Alexander's generals Ptolemy and Nearchus; Aristobulus, a junior officer on the campaigns; and Onesicritus, Alexander's chief helmsman. Their works are lost, but later works based on these original sources have survived.

Show me an eyewitness account or STFU!

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:46:00 PM EST

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On a related note, did you guys know that Alexander the Great didn't really exist?

Apart from a few inscriptions and fragments, texts written by people who actually knew Alexander or who gathered information from men who served with Alexander were all lost.[12] Contemporaries who wrote accounts of his life included Alexander's campaign historian Callisthenes; Alexander's generals Ptolemy and Nearchus; Aristobulus, a junior officer on the campaigns; and Onesicritus, Alexander's chief helmsman. Their works are lost, but later works based on these original sources have survived.

Show me an eyewitness account or STFU!

DOn't forget Plato's bullshit and Gailan's and Arestophenes. The Punic wars must never happened nor did the battle of Thermopoly because it was all written down long after using second had accounts.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:47:38 PM EST

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I don't understand Atheists.

They hand out Christmas presents, and they go out of their way to mock what they say doesn't exist.

odd, so it seems. But its all about tradition at this point. I no longer believe in Sinterklaas, but I still taught my kids about him because it is a uniquely Dutch thing. I want my children to know about Dutch traditions & foods & language.

Christianity is no different. It is passed from parent to child, and that is how it is perpetuated.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:49:21 PM EST

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The real question here is why Atheists are assholes.

(I am agnostic btw.)

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:49:42 PM EST

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[Christopher Hitchens]

Seriously guys you shouldn't be doing this kind of shit, trust me.

[/Christopher Hitchens]

he says, in between hours-long sessions of being satan's "chinese finger trap"

LMAO! Take it all, Chrissie!

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:49:46 PM EST

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On a related note, did you guys know that Alexander the Great didn't really exist?

Apart from a few inscriptions and fragments, texts written by people who actually knew Alexander or who gathered information from men who served with Alexander were all lost.[12] Contemporaries who wrote accounts of his life included Alexander's campaign historian Callisthenes; Alexander's generals Ptolemy and Nearchus; Aristobulus, a junior officer on the campaigns; and Onesicritus, Alexander's chief helmsman. Their works are lost, but later works based on these original sources have survived.

Show me an eyewitness account or STFU!

DOn't forget Plato's bullshit and Gailan's and Arestophenes. The Punic wars must never happened nor did the battle of Thermopoly because it was all written down long after using second had accounts.

You know I have never met anyone who met Attila The Hun. He was made up. Also: I have never seen a handwritten, by an eyewitness, account of slavery in the south. Also made up.

This is a fun game. We can pretend that whatever we don't like never happened!

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:50:17 PM EST

[#30]

Quoted:
The real question here is why Atheists are assholes.

(I am agnostic btw.)

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:50:37 PM EST

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
No religion bitterly clings to their beliefs quite like Atheists...

Yup

typical attack on Christians you dont ever see them trying to make a mockery of islamic/Buddhist/hebrew beliefs,almost like they have a personal agenda against Christianity or their chicken shits

I have said on here that I do not believe in any deitys.

BTW islam & judaism believe in the same god as christianity... They just differ on who the players were, an buddism has no god so to speak...so.......

LOL wut ?

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:56:08 PM EST

[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:

You two haven't got a clue as to what atheism is.

That's ok, neither do many anti-theists who call themselves atheists.

Are you trying to say that I am an anti-theist ?

I consider myself an agnostic atheist, but I could see why someone would think that. I don't have the view that religion is totally bad, but there have been some bad things done in the name of religion.

100's of years ago I wouldn't have been alive long enough after expressing my thoughts on religion to correct peoples ideas of atheism. Now I can.

Posted: 12/16/2011 5:56:23 PM EST

[#33]

Quoted:
The real question here is why Atheists are assholes.

(I am agnostic btw.)

Because they are spiteful little nihilistic brats, the kind who would, as a child, revel in telling another kid that Santa, Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy etc...didn't exist. Just to rib kick the sensitivities of others.

Because faith makes them feel inferior as human beings, so they, like libtards retreat to faux intellectualism, pejoratives, hackneyed cliches and stereotypes, gay-assed flying spaghetti monsters and other stupidity. Make 'em feel cool, younger, edgy, sharp, hip...instead of what they really are...

You know...fucking killjoys.

I'm an Agnostic as well. Not offended by Nativity scenes, or crosses, or Mormons on bikes, or J-Dubs come-a-knocking (except that whole no holidays things WTF), or Moo-slimes' mosques etc...if you're an Atheist and genuinely (not just piling on like a fad-follower, but GENUINELY offended by the free expression of other faiths...die. Just buy a bullet and rent a gun. Today, right now.

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:00:03 PM EST

[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
[Christopher Hitchens]

Seriously guys you shouldn't be doing this kind of shit, trust me.

[/Christopher Hitchens]

he says, in between hours-long sessions of being satan's "chinese finger trap"

LMAO! Take it all, Chrissie!

http://resources3.news.com.au/images/2011/12/16/1226224/385411-111217-new-leak-cartoon.jpeg

Just a public information note. Before anyone goes nuts about Sierraz, he is an admitted agnostic that says horrible things about Athiests to get athiests riled up against CHristians. It is a little game for the newb and no one shuold pay him no mind.) Interestingly enough a large crop of annoying newbs have been coming from AZ, so s school down there much be on break or something.

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:00:32 PM EST

[#35]

Quoted:

But it is the fact that no one gives a fuck what the atheist thinks

Alas the poor null hypothesis, it gets no respect!

If you truly are an Atheist, you wouldn't give a fuck that nobody gives a fuck.

The fact that I have to sit through a bunch of mumbo-jumbo at my mothers funeral pisses me off.

Go sit at a lecture by Dawkins for an hour or so, without saying a word while mourning the loss of a family member, & tell me how you feel afterwords.

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:03:33 PM EST

[#36]

Quoted:
I was born a hundred years after Abraham Lincoln died. I know much about him.

There were also people who wrote stories, and documented his actions WHILE he was alive. See the difference ?

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:04:28 PM EST

[#37]

Dude, North Carolina...compared to AZ?

Jumpin' Jesus on a Pogo Stick.

I don't say anything to get anyone riled, YOU are the one who can't stand your snarky little "fuck God" party to be fucked with right back.

I have no beef with any free expression of religion...see above post...reading IS fundamental.

In the ARFKOM meme, everyone who isn't a bandwagon passenger is a "newb" or a "troll". You don't know me, son, nor do you know my deeds. I piss on your precious little incendiarist scribbler and will continue to do so. I have no idea if there even IS Hell or Eternal Damnation, but I hope Hitchens is writhing in it. Just for being a fucking dick all the time.

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:05:53 PM EST

[#38]

Quoted:

Sorry to hear about your mom. I will pray for you and your family. I lost my dad last year and it was and still is very painful. I suspect the reason you had to sit through a religious service at her funeral is because either she or her next of kin wanted that. At your own funeral you are free to arrange to have no religious services. Thats how it works. You have the same rights as any other American, to practice what you believe. Your rights do not trump the rights of others as you seem to wish they would.

Yes, my mother and sister are believers... My brother and I, not so much.

I have been inundated with it lately. Maybe I am overly sensitive this week. LOL

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:06:28 PM EST

[#39]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Athiests are only slightly less annoying than liberals. Not because they don't believe in God, but because they absolutely can't stand that I do. It's demonstrated here daily and maybe even hourly.

I feel the same about theists.

My mother died on the 7th, & we just had her funeral last week. I have to sit through all the bullshit about how she is up in heaven with my father, & all those that came before her, Nobody gave a fuck that I don't belive in all your bullshit.

But did I say shit ? No, because I have more couth than that. But it is the fact that no one gives a fuck what the atheist thinks, that pisses us off. As if we are second class citizens for our non-belief in your god.

That is why we do what we do. You give us no other outlet.

My condolences on your mother.
what could have been done differently at the funeral ?

Nothing I suppose. She would have wanted it that way.

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:09:59 PM EST

[#40]

Quoted:

Quoted:
I was born a hundred years after Abraham Lincoln died. I know much about him.

I hate to tell you but Abe never existed
the makers of Lincoln logs made those stories up to sell toys

Actually, Lincoln logs were not named for Abe Lincoln.... They were designed by Frank LLoyd Wright's son, and were named for his father's given middle name which was Lincoln.

Now you know.

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:17:25 PM EST

[#41]

Quoted:
Wow. You do realize the funeral was for your mother, not you, and probably arrainged as she wanted it to be done. Are you seriously that self centered, that you would sit in your own mother's funeral and think "this is bullshit why the fuck don't the respect my lack of belief in her stupid religion." Seriously? At her funeral?

Secondly: how are you a second class citizen? You are allowed to vote, but you don't. You are alowed to own property, but you probably do not. You are permitted to get an education, but you blew that off to "self educate" yourself with Ayn Rand. It seems to me that the only one making you a second class citizen is yourself and you want to have someone to blame for your shourtcomings. PLease, enlighten us, how are the Joos and the Xians keeping you down, man?

Firstly, I understand that. Which is why I didn't say jack shit, but if the rolls were reversed (being at a relatives funeral while they were espousing the greatness of atheism) you would be saying the same shit to yourself.

Secondly, who said I don't vote ? I vote and own property.

Reading is essential here.

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:19:18 PM EST

[#42]

Quoted:
I've never seen an atheist stay an atheist to the bitter end.

Christopher Hitchens

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:19:57 PM EST

[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow. You do realize the funeral was for your mother, not you, and probably arrainged as she wanted it to be done. Are you seriously that self centered, that you would sit in your own mother's funeral and think "this is bullshit why the fuck don't the respect my lack of belief in her stupid religion." Seriously? At her funeral?

Secondly: how are you a second class citizen? You are allowed to vote, but you don't. You are alowed to own property, but you probably do not. You are permitted to get an education, but you blew that off to "self educate" yourself with Ayn Rand. It seems to me that the only one making you a second class citizen is yourself and you want to have someone to blame for your shourtcomings. PLease, enlighten us, how are the Joos and the Xians keeping you down, man?

Firstly, I understand that. Which is why I didn't say jack shit, but if the rolls were reversed (being at a relatives funeral while they were espousing the greatness of atheism) you would be saying the same shit to yourself.

Secondly, who said I don't vote ? I vote and own property.

Reading is essential here.

I think he meant to reply to both you and 'Brilliant' Rocket.

'Brilliant' is the one who was all pissy about christians voting, but he doesn't bother to vote himself.

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:23:12 PM EST

[#44]

Quoted:

It's all about meeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

I'm guessing you're joking.

Nope.

I walked out of the room when the preacher my sister called to pray over my mother came in to read, & sing to her.

I will not stand around and pray to a ficticious being regardless of the situation.

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:23:43 PM EST

[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow. You do realize the funeral was for your mother, not you, and probably arrainged as she wanted it to be done. Are you seriously that self centered, that you would sit in your own mother's funeral and think "this is bullshit why the fuck don't the respect my lack of belief in her stupid religion." Seriously? At her funeral?

Secondly: how are you a second class citizen? You are allowed to vote, but you don't. You are alowed to own property, but you probably do not. You are permitted to get an education, but you blew that off to "self educate" yourself with Ayn Rand. It seems to me that the only one making you a second class citizen is yourself and you want to have someone to blame for your shourtcomings. PLease, enlighten us, how are the Joos and the Xians keeping you down, man?

Firstly, I understand that. Which is why I didn't say jack shit, but if the rolls were reversed (being at a relatives funeral while they were espousing the greatness of atheism) you would be saying the same shit to yourself.

Secondly, who said I don't vote ? I vote and own property.

Reading is essential here.

SOrry about that. GOt in a quote tree and thought this was another of brilliant rocket's I hate CHristian storie, so I retrect the voting and property comments. If my mom wanted to ahve an athiest funeral, then I would accept that and follow her wishes. The funeral is about her, and what she wanted, not me. If she and her friends were athiests and they were hagning around extoling the vitures of athiesm and (evidenced by this and other threads) laughing about how stupid and evil everone who is not an athiest, I'd still be quiet.

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:24:43 PM EST

[#46]

Quoted:

Well it is a damn shame Jesus didn't find a 13th apostle to be a scribe and a 14th to be a notary.

Well one of the other 12 certainly could have done something of the sort.

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:27:35 PM EST

[#47]

Quoted:
-snip-

Atheism is technically a religion. There is more than one definition of religion and atheism fits at least one of them. I'm heading out the door, but look up the definition. Depending on your chosen source there are at least 2, and as many as 5 or 6.

I don't disagree with your second part at all. It's very selective enforcement of the coc.

So, we want to define atheism as the belief of .............. ??? With accompanying texts, rituals, holy days......

What goes in the blank???

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:28:21 PM EST

[#48]

Quoted:
The real question here is why Atheists are assholes.

(I am agnostic btw.)

You're almost there.

Its all about perceptions. I try to correct perceptions about atheists that are wrong (e.g. equating atheists with communist dictators)

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:29:02 PM EST

[#49]

Quoted:

It's all about meeeeeeeeeeee!!!!

I'm guessing you're joking. [/quote]

Nope.

I walked out of the room when the preacher my sister called to pray over my mother came in to read, & sing to her.

I will not stand around and pray to a ficticious being regardless of the situation.

So you caused a scene at you own mother's funeral??

Nice..... Real classy...

Posted: 12/16/2011 6:30:43 PM EST

[#50]

Quoted:

You know I have never met anyone who met Attila The Hun. He was made up. Also: I have never seen a handwritten, by an eyewitness, account of slavery in the south. Also made up.

This is a fun game. We can pretend that whatever we don't like never happened!

Again...There are written accounts of slavery AT THE TIME it was happening.....

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