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I was born a hundred years after Abraham Lincoln died. I know much about him. There were also people who wrote stories, and documented his actions WHILE he was alive. See the difference ? Yes. A part of the difference is that Lincoln died less than 200 years ago, after the Industrial Revolution, after Gutenberg. Of course there are more written records regarding Lincoln in 2011. It has been estimated that less than 1% of all of the books written in Antiquity have had their content survive until now. Written documents from the time of Jesus would have had to be reproduced by hand several times over 1500 years or so to make it all the way to the printing press. The two cases are not equal. Steve |
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Firstly, I understand that. Which is why I didn't say jack shit, but if the rolls were reversed (being at a relatives funeral while they were espousing the greatness of atheism) you would be saying the same shit to yourself. Secondly, who said I don't vote ? I vote and own property. Reading is essential here. I think he meant to reply to both you and 'Brilliant' Rocket. 'Brilliant' is the one who was all pissy about christians voting, but he doesn't bother to vote himself. I figured that was a possibility, but he was responding to me, so....... |
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Well it is a damn shame Jesus didn't find a 13th apostle to be a scribe and a 14th to be a notary. Well one of the other 12 certainly could have done something of the sort. You mean... like.... the new testament? Wow..... |
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I was born a hundred years after Abraham Lincoln died. I know much about him. There were also people who wrote stories, and documented his actions WHILE he was alive. See the difference ? Yes. A part of the difference is that Lincoln died less than 200 years ago, after the Industrial Revolution, after Gutenberg. Of course there are more written records regarding Lincoln in 2011. It has been estimated that less than 1% of all of the books written in Antiquity have had their content survive until now. Written documents from the time of Jesus would have had to be reproduced by hand several times over 1500 years or so to make it all the way to the printing press. The two cases are not equal. Steve You shut your whore mouth with your logic and your sensible understanding of details. |
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You two haven't got a clue as to what atheism is. That's ok, neither do many anti-theists who call themselves atheists. Are you trying to say that I am an anti-theist ? I consider myself an agnostic atheist, but I could see why someone would think that. I don't have the view that religion is totally bad, but there have been some bad things done in the name of religion. 100's of years ago I wouldn't have been alive long enough after expressing my thoughts on religion to correct peoples ideas of atheism. Now I can. Agnostics have no religion, atheists have no God. If you are in fact an agnostic, you can't really be an atheist. |
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SOrry about that. GOt in a quote tree and thought this was another of brilliant rocket's I hate CHristian storie, so I retrect the voting and property comments. If my mom wanted to ahve an athiest funeral, then I would accept that and follow her wishes. The funeral is about her, and what she wanted, not me. If she and her friends were athiests and they were hagning around extoling the vitures of athiesm and (evidenced by this and other threads) laughing about how stupid and evil everone who is not an athiest, I'd still be quiet. I was quiet. It seems that the only times I ever see my relatives anymore are at funerals, which is where an aunt or uncle usually tells me I need to "get with god" Well that isn't exactly the right forum to have a discussion about the existence of gods.... so I spend a lot of time ignoring people. My Lieutenant at work is always bringing up god..... every shift, and I ignore it because I don't want to make our work relationship weird. So exactly at what point am I always the asshole atheist again ? Me, the one who is eating crow in order to keep things civil ? It drives me nuts when I read about you guys claiming atheist are pushy, when all around me are christians pushing me. Atheists like the ones described by the OP are few & far between, and you never know who may be an atheist. Only my immediate family & close friends really know that I am. Otherwise you would have to ask me directly. I don't bring it up on a whim like believers bring up their faith. |
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Well it is a damn shame Jesus didn't find a 13th apostle to be a scribe and a 14th to be a notary. Well one of the other 12 certainly could have done something of the sort. You mean... like.... the new testament? Wow..... Really ? So you believe that the appostiles wrote their own gospels ? You believe that the gospel according to matthew, mark, luke or John were all written by them ? Thats how you interperet that ? |
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You two haven't got a clue as to what atheism is. That's ok, neither do many anti-theists who call themselves atheists. Are you trying to say that I am an anti-theist ? I consider myself an agnostic atheist, but I could see why someone would think that. I don't have the view that religion is totally bad, but there have been some bad things done in the name of religion. 100's of years ago I wouldn't have been alive long enough after expressing my thoughts on religion to correct peoples ideas of atheism. Now I can. Agnostics have no religion, atheists have no God. If you are in fact an agnostic, you can't really be an atheist. There is such a thing as agnostic atheism..... I wont bore you with the semantics, you can look it up. The shorthand version is that I am still an atheist. |
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Well it is a damn shame Jesus didn't find a 13th apostle to be a scribe and a 14th to be a notary. Well one of the other 12 certainly could have done something of the sort. You mean... like.... the new testament? Wow..... Really ? So you believe that the appostiles wrote their own gospels ? You believe that the gospel according to matthew, mark, luke or John were all written by them ? Thats how you interperet that ? The bible was assembled from the writings and oral history of people associated with Jesus of Nazareth. Do you assume that none of the material in the new testament was either originally penned or dictated by the apostles? |
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It's all about meeeeeeeeeeee!!!! I'm guessing you're joking. Nope. I walked out of the room when the preacher my sister called to pray over my mother came in to read, & sing to her. I will not stand around and pray to a ficticious being regardless of the situation. sad, broken, and hateful individual Really? So if it were the other way around you would stay for that? (given that atheists had some sort of ritual, & or song) How is that hateful ? Please explain ? I don't believe in gods, why do I want to stick around to hear a bunch of schtick that I don't buy into ? Would you do the same ? You can go fuck yourself. I put up with crap from believers, & christians in general on a daily basis & I don't feel the need to put up with their bullshit when my mother is on her deathbed either. It was your kind who tried to tell me that the cancerous tumors that she died from was a result of sin. (On this website by the way !) So tell me who is the sad broken & hateful one ? You wouldn't give up being a christian to go to the bedside of a dying atheist would you ? My mother knew I was an atheist, my siblings know I am an atheist, and my sister was there & didn't say shit. Why should you give a fuck ? |
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Well you are correct, it appears you can parse those categories down way farther than I thought. Shall we just argue how many angels can fit on the point of a needle?
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I'm out for the night. I'm amused by those who it seems would only be content if they found a handwritten bible in aramaic, signed Jesus Christ, with a foreword by Pontius Pilate and Barabbas. If there was a god who wanted me to believe, he would have found a better way to get the message out than a collection of stories written 50-100 years after he sacrificed himself to himself. (jesus dying on the cross) Why is it that you do not believe in any of the other gods that man has created over time ? Is it for lack of evidence ? |
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Quoted: That's why historians will tell you to take ancient sources with a grain of salt. For example: The ancient historians all consistently characterize the battle of Cannae as Rome's greatest defeat during the Second Punic War, but the margin of error for the number of Roman casualties is something like 50,000 people. That's a hell of a thing, especially when you take into account that Cannae is probably the most intensively studied battle in recorded history.Quoted: On a related note, did you guys know that Alexander the Great didn't really exist? Apart from a few inscriptions and fragments, texts written by people who actually knew Alexander or who gathered information from men who served with Alexander were all lost.[12] Contemporaries who wrote accounts of his life included Alexander's campaign historian Callisthenes; Alexander's generals Ptolemy and Nearchus; Aristobulus, a junior officer on the campaigns; and Onesicritus, Alexander's chief helmsman. Their works are lost, but later works based on these original sources have survived. Show me an eyewitness account or STFU! DOn't forget Plato's bullshit and Gailan's and Arestophenes. The Punic wars must never happened nor did the battle of Thermopoly because it was all written down long after using second had accounts. |
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I, one of the more prominent and vocal atheists on this site, do hereby declare these fucknuts to be just that. Does that make Christians feel better? I'd hope so. Can we stop arguing now?
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Its stupid, but hilarious to see all the butthurt. Do agnostics go to hell? You assume there is a hell. Last I checked the only hell was in Michigan is that were the bad people go? |
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It's all about meeeeeeeeeeee!!!! I'm guessing you're joking. Nope. I walked out of the room when the preacher my sister called to pray over my mother came in to read, & sing to her. I will not stand around and pray to a ficticious being regardless of the situation. sad, broken, and hateful individual Really? So if it were the other way around you would stay for that? (given that atheists had some sort of ritual, & or song) How is that hateful ? Please explain ? I don't believe in gods, why do I want to stick around to hear a bunch of schtick that I don't buy into ? Would you do the same ? You can go fuck yourself. I put up with crap from believers, & christians in general on a daily basis & I don't feel the need to put up with their bullshit when my mother is on her deathbed either. It was your kind who tried to tell me that the cancerous tumors that she died from was a result of sin. (On this website by the way !) So tell me who is the sad broken & hateful one ? You wouldn't give up being a christian to go to the bedside of a dying atheist would you ? My mother knew I was an atheist, my siblings know I am an atheist, and my sister was there & didn't say shit. Why should you give a fuck ? I usually stay out of these topics, because I just don't care what people choose to believe for themselves. However, I will say this: My grandmother died in late august, and I took care of her until she passed. She was a Christian, as am I, but if she were any other religion and wanted her religious rights/customs performed at her bedside, I would've dealt with whatever was going on just so I could spend a few more moments with her. It isn't about your beliefs, it's about what makes the dying person happy. If someone is so self absorbed to not swallow their pride for just a few minutes of what could be the last of a loved one's life, They are either the biggest douchenozzle on the planet, or just didn't care enough about the dying person. Their hourglass is the one running empty, not yours. Let them have a little comfort in their end, you have the rest of your life to do whatever the fuck you want. |
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No religion bitterly clings to their beliefs quite like Atheists... Yep. Since they cannot present what they believe (they believe in nothing), they are left only with insulting the beliefs of others. Really classy. Why didn't they include Allah and Muhammed in the satire? Afraid of taking on a group that will actually do more than just pray for them? What Muslim display was there to make fun of? |
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It's all about meeeeeeeeeeee!!!! I'm guessing you're joking. Nope. I walked out of the room when the preacher my sister called to pray over my mother came in to read, & sing to her. I will not stand around and pray to a ficticious being regardless of the situation. So you caused a scene at you own mother's funeral?? Nice..... Real classy... [/quote] Not the funeral, In the nursing home. Mom was still alive at that point. Maybe I should have been more specific. My mother died on the 7th, & we just had her funeral last week. I have to sit through all the bullshit about how she is up in heaven with my father, & all those that came before her, Nobody gave a fuck that I don't belive in all your bullshit. But did I say shit ? No, because I have more couth than that. But it is the fact that no one gives a fuck what the atheist thinks, that pisses us off. As if we are second class citizens for our non-belief in your god. That is why we do what we do. You give us no other outlet. |
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I, one of the more prominent and vocal atheists on this site, do hereby declare these fucknuts to be just that. Does that make Christians feel better? I'd hope so. Can we stop arguing now? Actually. I don't think much of the arguing is done because you are an athiest. I've had fabulous and well thought out discussions with you, Fatalterror, and Trouble3Shooter. I have leanred a lot from you guys and it is always been pleasant intracting with you. I have noticed lately, and influx of newbies with low post counts and all they seem to want to do is throw around invectve and vitriol rather than talk and cannot do so without being insulting, crude, and vulgar. I'm honestly wondering if it has somethign to do with school being out for hte holidays in several places. |
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The thing about the atheist display is that it features characters/things that actually existed. Right. Jesus never existed. Prove his existence with a single non biblical source. Do some reading genius: Ehrman, Bart D. (February 2011). "8. Forgeries, Lies, Deceptions, and the Writings of the New Testament. Modern Forgeries, Lies, and Deceptions. The Death Sentence of Jesus Christ." (EPUB). Forged: Writing in the Name of God—Why the Bible’s Authors Are Not Who We Think They Are. (First Edition. EPub ed.). New York: HarperCollins e-books. p. 285. ISBN 978-0-06-207863-6. Retrieved 2 September 2011. "This does not mean, as is now being claimed with alarming regularity, that Jesus never existed. He certainly existed, as virtually every competent scholar of antiquity, Christian or non-Christian, agrees, based on clear and certain evidence. But as with the vast majority of all persons who lived and died in the first century, he does not appear in the records of the Roman people." I/m sure he existed as we have crazy people walking around today claiming to be god. We usually end up tazering them. In JC's case you get hung on a cross and lanced in the side by your people. |
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The thing about the atheist display is that it features characters/things that actually existed. <squalls of laughter> No. Remember. Atheism is religion. If some people claim there is a teapot orbiting the sun between mercury and venus, and I don't believe there is, and you don't believe there is, No but if I see an invisible person and talk with them I am fucking crazy. But, if I can somehow manage to convince millions of my closest friends the friend is there it is a religion. are we in a religion together? |
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The thing about the atheist display is that it features characters/things that actually existed. You're saying Jesus never existed? Yet again, you prove to not have a very apt user name... My DS used to call everyone Rocket (short for rocket scientist.). I still use the term to this day. |
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It's all about meeeeeeeeeeee!!!! I'm guessing you're joking. Nope. I walked out of the room when the preacher my sister called to pray over my mother came in to read, & sing to her. I will not stand around and pray to a ficticious being regardless of the situation. So you caused a scene at you own mother's funeral?? Nice..... Real classy... Not the funeral, In the nursing home. Mom was still alive at that point. Maybe I should have been more specific. My mother died on the 7th, & we just had her funeral last week. I have to sit through all the bullshit about how she is up in heaven with my father, & all those that came before her, Nobody gave a fuck that I don't belive in all your bullshit. But did I say shit ? No, because I have more couth than that. But it is the fact that no one gives a fuck what the atheist thinks, that pisses us off. As if we are second class citizens for our non-belief in your god. That is why we do what we do. You give us no other outlet. [/quote] FYI the blue part was originally written by TFD, and is what my response at the center of the quote tree was for. I reposted it to clear up his confusion over his story. "Nobody gives a fuck that I don't believe in all their bullshit" not neither appropriate at a funeral nor at a nursing home when someone is dying. At that point it is not about TFD, it is about his mother and one should STFU and bow his head with the rest of the family wether he agrees with it or not. |
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It's all about meeeeeeeeeeee!!!! I'm guessing you're joking. Nope. I walked out of the room when the preacher my sister called to pray over my mother came in to read, & sing to her. I will not stand around and pray to a ficticious being regardless of the situation. So you caused a scene at you own mother's funeral?? Nice..... Real classy... Not the funeral, In the nursing home. Mom was still alive at that point. Maybe I should have been more specific. My mother died on the 7th, & we just had her funeral last week. I have to sit through all the bullshit about how she is up in heaven with my father, & all those that came before her, Nobody gave a fuck that I don't belive in all your bullshit. But did I say shit ? No, because I have more couth than that. But it is the fact that no one gives a fuck what the atheist thinks, that pisses us off. As if we are second class citizens for our non-belief in your god. That is why we do what we do. You give us no other outlet. [/quote] FYI the blue part was originally written by TFD, and is what my response at the center of the quote tree was for. I reposted it to clear up his confusion over his story. "Nobody gives a fuck that I don't believe in all their bullshit" not neither appropriate at a funeral nor at a nursing home when someone is dying. At that point it is not about TFD, it is about his mother and one should STFU and bow his head with the rest of the family wether he agrees with it or not. Bingo I am Protestant My Mother-In-Law was Catholic (for those in the know we have some very different views on the afterlife). I sat there in honor and respect for my Wife, my Mother-in law, and for her family. |
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But it is the fact that no one gives a fuck what the atheist thinks, that pisses us off. As if we are second class citizens for our non-belief in your god.
Oh, I see.... So it pisses you off that believers don't care what you think, that the make you feel like second-class citizens, and that you resort to acting like asses as a result. And yet, you exult at proclaiming that you don't care what believers think, you treat them like second-class citizens, and you get upset when they respond to frivolous and classless acts like the one described in the OP. That makes perfect sense. I guess you think rights only apply to those who agree with you... |
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Oh, I see.... So it pisses you off that believers don't care what you think, that the make you feel like second-class citizens, and that you resort to acting like asses as a result. And yet, you exult at proclaiming that you don't care what believers think, you treat them like second-class citizens, and you get upset when they respond to frivolous and classless acts like the one described in the OP. That makes perfect sense. I guess you think rights only apply to those who agree with you... and they wonder why we class then the same as Liberals, Hmmmmmmm |
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