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Quoted: No aircraft is putting warheads on foreheads…none. It doesn’t matter how much you spend on it. You aren’t defeating China with a manned aircraft as you can’t keep an airbase close enough to make it work and refueling in the air is visible IE killable. The Pacific is a Navy fight where submarine launched weapons are the most viable delivery systems. A hypersonic missile from a submarine is likely the only viable strike option. View Quote Per wiki the B-2 has a range of about 6,900 miles. That would put it needing to be gassed about at the Aleutians in order to reach Beijing. It seems like we could get tankers as far forward as Alaska. |
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Im before the air force buys 5 , extends the life of the B-52 until 2112 and buys the new F-42 fighter jets
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Quoted: LordEC911 Quoted: When are they expected in service and how many ~100. Sources vary between 80-120. Only ~$600m each. 2027 is current projection. I've read 300 ordered. And once we're in NATO, the US will graciously donate a few to us. We'll have them flying lazy eights over the Baltic. |
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Quoted: The nuclear mission defends us every day. But we would be better off maintaining two old airframes that cost about $60k per hour to fly. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: More multi billion dollar hardware for the MIC to justify their need for yet more money to defend every other country but ours. The nuclear mission defends us every day. But we would be better off maintaining two old airframes that cost about $60k per hour to fly. Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
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Quoted: People would rather tax payers spend $70,000-$130,000 per hour of flight for a less capable system, just due to nostalgia, versus lack of nostalgia at $10k/hr to operate. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The nuclear mission defends us every day. But we would be better off maintaining two old airframes that cost about $60k per hour to fly. People would rather tax payers spend $70,000-$130,000 per hour of flight for a less capable system, just due to nostalgia, versus lack of nostalgia at $10k/hr to operate. It's not nostalgia. It's because they're ignorant fools. Just like the A-10... Keep it flying! Why? Because reasons! Brrrrrrt. |
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Quoted: First *public* flight. View Quote Been a few moons ago, but we discussed the introduction of the B-2 in science class, shortly after the public flight. The teacher was adamant that it had been in development and testing, including flying, for a long time. Her grandfather had worked on the program and flying the plane from an island in the Pacific. Seemed a little outlandish, except when concerns about the YB-49 program are taken into account. |
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What we really need is the R model of the B-1. This country needs the B-1R.
We need the BONER. |
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Quoted: No aircraft is putting warheads on foreheads…none. It doesn’t matter how much you spend on it. You aren’t defeating China with a manned aircraft as you can’t keep an airbase close enough to make it work and refueling in the air is visible IE killable. The Pacific is a Navy fight where submarine launched weapons are the most viable delivery systems. A hypersonic missile from a submarine is likely the only viable strike option. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: More multi billion dollar hardware for the MIC to justify their need for yet more money to defend every other country but ours. The nuclear mission defends us every day. But we would be better off maintaining two old airframes that cost about $60k per hour to fly. Nope this thing will probably do more work than F35 vs China. We are going to be really tight on keeping air bases inside missile range of China operational. Surface ships aren’t going to be in range to be launch platforms for cruise missiles until we can break the Chinese kill chains for their anti ship missiles. So our strike potential is limited to. The sub fleet and whatever our aircraft can launch. This will be a nice missile truck that even a single one likely will put more warheads on foreheads in a month than even a SSGN could. I’d be very interested in seeing if they could fill the weapons bay with a long range air to air missile that could be guided by F35, drive or AEGIS to help clear swarms of Chinese fighters. No aircraft is putting warheads on foreheads…none. It doesn’t matter how much you spend on it. You aren’t defeating China with a manned aircraft as you can’t keep an airbase close enough to make it work and refueling in the air is visible IE killable. The Pacific is a Navy fight where submarine launched weapons are the most viable delivery systems. A hypersonic missile from a submarine is likely the only viable strike option. JASSM-ER doesn't exist anymore? Damn. |
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Quoted: It's not nostalgia. It's because they're ignorant fools. Just like the A-10... Keep it flying! Why? Because reasons! Brrrrrrt. View Quote I’ve never met in person anyone who has a vested interest in any airframe the military deploys other than being tax payers. Outside of paying deeply out of my ass for taxes I don’t really care much if the AF keeps 10s and 52s until they run out of spare parts. Your taxes will never decrease. Why do you care what jet they fly on your dime? I’d rather fly antique jets than pay for any social programs. |
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Quoted: Why do you need it then. Take the money and buy missiles. No wonder why we are bankrupt. View Quote You do understand there are different types of missiles with different ranges. Its cheaper to build smaller cruise missiles than large ones that fire from long distances which can be mistaken for nuclear delivery platforms. It does make sense to put more money into ssgn's. But having other diverse options to deliver missiles is ok too. I was surprised that we only have 4 SSGNs. It seems like that would be a really handy tool. I guess surface ships take up the slack though. |
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Quoted: I’ve never met in person anyone who has a vested interest in any airframe the military deploys other than being tax payers. Outside of paying deeply out of my ass for taxes I don’t really care much if the AF keeps 10s and 52s until they run out of spare parts. Your taxes will never decrease. Why do you care what jet they fly on your dime? I’d rather fly antique jets than pay for any social programs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It's not nostalgia. It's because they're ignorant fools. Just like the A-10... Keep it flying! Why? Because reasons! Brrrrrrt. I’ve never met in person anyone who has a vested interest in any airframe the military deploys other than being tax payers. Outside of paying deeply out of my ass for taxes I don’t really care much if the AF keeps 10s and 52s until they run out of spare parts. Your taxes will never decrease. Why do you care what jet they fly on your dime? I’d rather fly antique jets than pay for any social programs. Problem being we've royally pissed off Russia and Iran now, and any potential conflict where the A-10's utility might be attractive would almost certainly be spiced up by the proliferation of MANPADS. The money that keeps those things flying could be better used in about a million ways. |
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Quoted: Problem being we've royally pissed off Russia and Iran now, and any potential conflict where the A-10's utility might be attractive would almost certainly be spiced up by the proliferation of MANPADS. The money that keeps those things flying could be better used in about a million ways. View Quote True, but UAS-A-10 would create a hell of a headache at low cost. Remove cockpit and add a second GAU-8. |
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BREAKING: The B-21 RAIDER just made its FIRST FLIGHT |
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Quoted: https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/b-21-raider-has-flown-for-the-first-time https://www.thedrive.com/uploads/2023/11/10/B21-First-flight.jpg?auto=webp&crop=16%3A9&auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=3840 View Quote Look at all those (potential) doors in that belly ! |
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Quoted: No aircraft is putting warheads on foreheads…none. It doesn’t matter how much you spend on it. You aren’t defeating China with a manned aircraft as you can’t keep an airbase close enough to make it work and refueling in the air is visible IE killable. The Pacific is a Navy fight where submarine launched weapons are the most viable delivery systems. A hypersonic missile from a submarine is likely the only viable strike option. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: More multi billion dollar hardware for the MIC to justify their need for yet more money to defend every other country but ours. The nuclear mission defends us every day. But we would be better off maintaining two old airframes that cost about $60k per hour to fly. Nope this thing will probably do more work than F35 vs China. We are going to be really tight on keeping air bases inside missile range of China operational. Surface ships aren’t going to be in range to be launch platforms for cruise missiles until we can break the Chinese kill chains for their anti ship missiles. So our strike potential is limited to. The sub fleet and whatever our aircraft can launch. This will be a nice missile truck that even a single one likely will put more warheads on foreheads in a month than even a SSGN could. I’d be very interested in seeing if they could fill the weapons bay with a long range air to air missile that could be guided by F35, drive or AEGIS to help clear swarms of Chinese fighters. No aircraft is putting warheads on foreheads…none. It doesn’t matter how much you spend on it. You aren’t defeating China with a manned aircraft as you can’t keep an airbase close enough to make it work and refueling in the air is visible IE killable. The Pacific is a Navy fight where submarine launched weapons are the most viable delivery systems. A hypersonic missile from a submarine is likely the only viable strike option. When you have long range ALCM, you don’t need to get close, you don’t even need to go very far. And those ALCMs are very survivable. That is why I think they are keeping the B-52, it Carrie’s a massive amount of ALCMs and at the range off the coast they would be launched nobody cares about the B-52 not being stealthy, IMO. |
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Quoted: Per wiki the B-2 has a range of about 6,900 miles. That would put it needing to be gassed about at the Aleutians in order to reach Beijing. It seems like we could get tankers as far forward as Alaska. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: No aircraft is putting warheads on foreheads…none. It doesn’t matter how much you spend on it. You aren’t defeating China with a manned aircraft as you can’t keep an airbase close enough to make it work and refueling in the air is visible IE killable. The Pacific is a Navy fight where submarine launched weapons are the most viable delivery systems. A hypersonic missile from a submarine is likely the only viable strike option. Per wiki the B-2 has a range of about 6,900 miles. That would put it needing to be gassed about at the Aleutians in order to reach Beijing. It seems like we could get tankers as far forward as Alaska. Now add the range of the ALCM, they could probable get topped off before leaving the west coast. |
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Quoted: Problem being we've royally pissed off Russia and Iran now, and any potential conflict where the A-10's utility might be attractive would almost certainly be spiced up by the proliferation of MANPADS. The money that keeps those things flying could be better used in about a million ways. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's not nostalgia. It's because they're ignorant fools. Just like the A-10... Keep it flying! Why? Because reasons! Brrrrrrt. I’ve never met in person anyone who has a vested interest in any airframe the military deploys other than being tax payers. Outside of paying deeply out of my ass for taxes I don’t really care much if the AF keeps 10s and 52s until they run out of spare parts. Your taxes will never decrease. Why do you care what jet they fly on your dime? I’d rather fly antique jets than pay for any social programs. Problem being we've royally pissed off Russia and Iran now, and any potential conflict where the A-10's utility might be attractive would almost certainly be spiced up by the proliferation of MANPADS. The money that keeps those things flying could be better used in about a million ways. IMHO any environment where there are "modern air defenses" rule out any non-stealth aircraft flying over it. Helicopters, F-15s, F-16s, tankers, C-130s, all of the non-stealthy boys. |
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Quoted: You do understand there are different types of missiles with different ranges. Its cheaper to build smaller cruise missiles than large ones that fire from long distances which can be mistaken for nuclear delivery platforms. It does make sense to put more money into ssgn's. But having other diverse options to deliver missiles is ok too. I was surprised that we only have 4 SSGNs. It seems like that would be a really handy tool. I guess surface ships take up the slack though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Why do you need it then. Take the money and buy missiles. No wonder why we are bankrupt. You do understand there are different types of missiles with different ranges. Its cheaper to build smaller cruise missiles than large ones that fire from long distances which can be mistaken for nuclear delivery platforms. It does make sense to put more money into ssgn's. But having other diverse options to deliver missiles is ok too. I was surprised that we only have 4 SSGNs. It seems like that would be a really handy tool. I guess surface ships take up the slack though. |
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Quoted: Yes, and I understand we can buy a shit ton of drones and missiles for 600 million a pop, which is 100% borrowed at 5% interest and going higher. I also worry with the lack of recruiting how hard will it be to maintain these planes out of the factory. The same issues with the F35. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why do you need it then. Take the money and buy missiles. No wonder why we are bankrupt. You do understand there are different types of missiles with different ranges. Its cheaper to build smaller cruise missiles than large ones that fire from long distances which can be mistaken for nuclear delivery platforms. It does make sense to put more money into ssgn's. But having other diverse options to deliver missiles is ok too. I was surprised that we only have 4 SSGNs. It seems like that would be a really handy tool. I guess surface ships take up the slack though. What are you worried about in terms of maintainability on the F-35? Im curious. |
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Quoted: What are you worried about in terms of maintainability on the F-35? Im curious. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why do you need it then. Take the money and buy missiles. No wonder why we are bankrupt. You do understand there are different types of missiles with different ranges. Its cheaper to build smaller cruise missiles than large ones that fire from long distances which can be mistaken for nuclear delivery platforms. It does make sense to put more money into ssgn's. But having other diverse options to deliver missiles is ok too. I was surprised that we only have 4 SSGNs. It seems like that would be a really handy tool. I guess surface ships take up the slack though. What are you worried about in terms of maintainability on the F-35? Im curious. https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-23-105341 |
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Quoted: What's the thing sticking out of the back for? View Quote Part of the test equipment. Something to do with the pitot system. It has a long probe in front, and this trailing cone that needs undisturbed air, not buffeting air from around the fuselage. wiki |
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another video
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Quoted: More multi billion dollar hardware for the MIC to justify their need for yet more money to defend every other country but ours. View Quote Its a nuclear stealth bomber, dude. What exactly do you think the primary purpose of designing and building such machines is? Think about it for a minute. |
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Under budget and ahead of schedule.
NG should get more business, but they aren't dirty enough in DC. |
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Quoted: And once we're in NATO, the US will graciously donate a few to us. We'll have them flying lazy eights over the Baltic. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: LordEC911 Quoted: When are they expected in service and how many ~100. Sources vary between 80-120. Only ~$600m each. 2027 is current projection. I've read 300 ordered. And once we're in NATO, the US will graciously donate a few to us. We'll have them flying lazy eights over the Baltic. No you can build a Gripenbom?ömben or whatever |
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Quoted: Under budget and ahead of schedule. NG should get more business, but they aren't dirty enough in DC. View Quote |
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