If this is the case, they know your last screen name, too.

Correct. You could register MGs made up until 1986. Not make a MG say in 1990 and register it. On these SBRs they are not saying in 120 days you can not make and register SBRs no more, As of right now anyways.

OP you do know there is a NFA forum on this site right?

FIFY

LARP'ing over unpaid taxes has 2nd and 3rd Order Affects that go well beyond mouthbreathers not paying $200 for permission to shave 2" off a barrel.

Not a popular opinion here as of late, but impossible to argue with. Many of those same who complied are now pointing a finger.......

The benefit of have a braced pistol was being able to legally (in my state atleast and surrounding states) have it cocked, locked, and ready to rock in my vehicle and being able to do so crossing state lines.

Can't do that with a SBR.

So... uh... thats my argument i'd like to hear your take on that

I think you're missing the point of what he's saying.  

Many people on this site are using the "I will not comply" mantra and accusing those who are choosing to get the free stamp to SBR their braced pistol of 'bending the knee'.

However, they aren't realizing the hypocrisy of saying that while using a brace themselves instead of just "not complying" and using a stock instead...  thereby putting their money where their mouth is and ignoring the law to register the SBR because they espouse: "I will not comply".

So if you're on the same bandwagon and referring to those who take the free stamps as "sellouts" or accusing them of "bending the knee" and insisting that they should not comply - you're doing so already by complying with an equally unconstitutional SBR interstate transport law, no?

I understand the point you're making. However, I think a point of view that, "if you comply once you have to always comply," is very flawed.

I think there comes a point where people put their foot down. They tried to comply, tried to follow the rules, and the goal posts keep moving.

That being said, I get that some of it comes across as very arrogant.

You're quoting something I never said or posted, so please remove my name from it.

After the 1968 amnesty, only newly manufactured US made machineguns could be produced and sold to civilians.  For example, if you had an unregistered MG34 or Thompson SMG that you did not register in the 68 amnesty, then your only option to make these guns legal up until 1986 was to manufacture a new receiver in the USA and put the old parts on the new receiver and register it. You would have to destroy the original receivers as they couldn't be registered ever.

Your point being?

Keep on bleating like the Judas Goat you are.

I get what you're saying: the most recent ATF regulation is simply "a bridge too far".  However, that point may not be the same for everyone - and castigating everyone for not choosing to die on the hill you choose (not you, specifically) is selfish at best.  I mean, why wasn't the hill to die on, one of the previous ATF 'reinterpretations' or rules like with bumpstocks?  Or FRT's?  Or Form 1 suppressors?  etc...

You people sound like a bunch of liberal whack jobs.

How do you do this on a paper form?

Well, can't disagree with anything you wrote, and since this is in GD, I'm not sure how to move forward here

I have no idea. Sorry. I completed my application on the e-file website

"Not complying" is not complying to registration.

My prediction:

1. People will apply for and receive free tax stamps.
2. ATF gets beat down in court, and stops giving away free tax stamps.  Said beat down rules that arm braces are cool.
3. Everyone that got a free stamp before they stopped giving free stamps will still have a free stamp.
4.  Low information whiners will wish they had free stamps.

@GunsAndGoats

I am waiting for your response to my reply above sir or are you avoiding the argument?  

If that's the case, then anyone who has ever followed any gun law has complied.

Not complying with an agency's unconstitutional edict that is not lawfully passed legislation is not somehow hypocritical.

Wrong

Send a dick-pic for your selfie.

I look at it this way. everyone getting their panties in a bunch right now are tilting at windmills. yes it's bullshit, and yes it's an infringement, but this seems like something ripe to be smacked down in the courts and set a precedent going forward..
"common use" and all that.
In the meantime, crossing your t's and dotting your i's is an option. You don't have to do it, but don't act all high and mighty at those who do, because you've complied with every unconstitutional law and ruling passed previously.
I bet ALL of you people were tripping over yourselves complying with the 94 ban.. and there were plenty of you now complaining who had no problem with the bumpstock ruling..  seems pretty hypocritical to me.

If I had to bet money right now, that's what I would bet on, too.

I agree the ATF will definitely say "Fuck you" and not offer a second tax free period if the courts let the NFA stand.

But I won't make any predictions on if SBRs will still be NFA, if braces are or are not SBRs, what happens to braced Shockwaves, etc, at the end of this.

Kharn

You're welcome to leave if you're offended by people who care more about freedom and resisting Unconstitutional behavior in our government than you do.

Yep - that's pretty decent summary of how it is probably going to go.  

Thanks! I ordered those fingerprints cards and ink off Amazon and did the fingerprinting myself. It took about an hour of practice and I was able to complete two cards without any mistakes. Just dropped them off at the post office.

The only reason I bought braced pistols is to SBR them. Now the government says I can SBR them for free and I don't have to have them engraved. The lack of engraving saves me $100 per gun and 180 mile roundtrip drive. That is a $300+ savings per SBR (tax stamp + engraving). I have 3 braced pistols + $100 for the drive. This ruling just saved me $1000 and 5 hours getting the engraving done.

Who said I am offended? I said you sound like a nut. Your mental state doesn't offend me.

I wouldn't say that.  While I don't agree, I do respect where it's coming from.  The reason for some of this passion we see is akin to slapping the food out of the hand of the one person who is percieved as smiling to the guard and was handed food by the concentration camp guards.  I respect the sentiment, and appreciate at least some of the degree from where it comes.  But I don't agree with the accuracy or intensity of that assessment.

 What we actually had was 10 years of the ATF not doing their job, and now they are resuming doing so; with a gift bag of freebies - not as a trojan horse that people say, but as a necessity to defend their resumption and demonstrate route was provided for those who got trapped due to ATF's lack of enforcement ot date.   It would have been better if they were total dicks and just said everybody is a felon now, as that would have blown up in their face.  

The part so many people seem to be missing, is it doesn't matter how many people actually take the offer.  The fact that the offer was in place, is all that is required.  

Frankly, you have 3 choices
-Refuse, and stick to your guns.  And if you've been vocal and passionate about it, the "innocent citizen who just didn't know" card will be harder to play, in the low but non-zero odds that becomes a very regrettible decision.  There WILL be some who do this, and go to court to fight the case on it.  I would suggest someone resourced and willing who will have a strong case that is otherwise clean, in the 5th circuit, will be the best card for this.  Browbeating others to do so do, achieves nothing other than making you look bad.

-Register what you have, and move on.  It is an easily reversible registration.  As noted, in the end, there is a good chance this whole thing goes away, and you end up with a better stock than a crappy armbrace out of the deal.  There seems to be a broad dismissal that a whole lot of people who entered the armbrace game, knew this day was coming and had already planned on going SBR when it did.  

-Option 3:  Take a chapter out of Unintended Consequences, and Zip-tie an armbrace to every F'ing thing you own, including every handgun you own.  And flood the system with applications.

You do you.  Perhaps let others do so as well.   If your plan is for others to violate codified federal law with considerably higher criminal penalties than sitting in the front of the bus, that's kind of a shitty expectation to be putting on others.

@lazyengineer


Hmmm....that could be interesting. Hypothetically; If one took an Arex Delta (or similar inexpensive pistol with modular frame), and Locktited a buffer-tube to it, then afixed an SBA-3...

You didn't need to buy braced pistols to SBR them.  You could have:
Purchased a pistol minus the brace and SBR'd it.
Purchased a rifle and SBR'd it.
Purchased a stripped lower and SBR'd it.

But regardless, since you purchased firearms with the intent on SBR'd them, I'm assuming you were already intending on paying the tax stamp and engraving fee anyway?   Why not go the route you originally intended since that route does not screw over gun owners and feed the ATF?

You are still willfully ignoring the part about fucking over other gun owners buy going the "free candy" route while knowing you have a choice in the matter.

The UPS store also has the fingerprint kiosk that will make the electronic finger print records.

This is horrible advise.  Number 1 rule in civil combat - deny your enemy of funds.  Your advise is to literally do the same thing, and fund the ATF $200 per event doing so.  It's saying "no no, the existing system is so good, I prefer that route "  why on Earth would you advise that route, and underwrite you very enemy to do it?

They have unlimited funds. Revenue generated by NFA tax is unlikely to cover maint of the program. Your argument is not kosher.

Well..  that's actually true.  Still, fuck 'em i dont want to give them more.

So NOW you are going with the "paying the tax stamp is funding the enemy" route?

LOLOLOL

Talk about a reach...but fine.  I'll play.


OK, so how many tax stamps do you have?  
Does everyone here now realize that their tax stamps have been funding the enemy?

Seems like braces would have been a way of refusing the FUND the enemy, along with NOT registering with .gov.  

Why do you hate freedom?

get cards from ATF, buy ink pad on amazon.

This is why we are doomed as a country. Not enough balls left. This thing has not even went into effect yet and people are caving. Good Lord.

I think many see this as 5 prisoners and 2 guards with fully loaded guns. Both guards get up and walk off forgetting their weapons. 2 of the prisoners jump up real fast, grab the weapons, and rush over returning them back to the guards with a smile on their face. The guards made a mistake and the few jump before even thinking how their actions affect the group as a whole.

Wrong. The guards signed a letter saying the prisoners could expend as may of their resources as they wanted buying guns and then changed their mind...too bad the prisoners still have the signed letter.

Then why the hell not just register it as an SBR?

OMG LOL!!!!

put your ball print on there