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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:24:10 PM EST
[#1]
Strict oversight.
Multiple fail safes. Manuals. Procedures. Thousands of pages of corroborating information justifying FISA searches....but getting a real warrant would be too much paperwork. Oh, and: Essential tool for the War on Terror. They could tell us how many times they once again saved the country and cut the green wire while the clock was down to 3 seconds but that is classified. Trust them, it is a LOT. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:24:35 PM EST
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Didn't they just re-authorize this crap in the past couple days  Basically, we need to ensure the thing that was abused still exists but we're now going to show you how abused it was under Obama. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:25:21 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dear Sir,
I very much admire the cut of your jib. Do you, perhaps, publish a newsletter? If so I should like to subscribe forthwith! Sincerely, 1911sforever |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:27:02 PM EST
[#4]
Nothing will come of it. The Beast wins in the end.
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:28:32 PM EST
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Strict oversight. Multiple fail safes. Manuals. Procedures. Thousands of pages of corroborating information justifying FISA searches....but getting a real warrant would be too much paperwork. Oh, and: Essential tool for the War on Terror. They could tell us how many times they once again saved the country and cut the green wire while the clock was down to 3 seconds but that is classified. Trust them, it is a LOT. What if I told you the same people who helped come up with a legal reason for the original plan, the changed one in 2004, and then supported the 2008 legislation to place more controls on it...what if I told you those same people were operating under Obama in more lofty positions and doing everything they said they never wanted to see happen? What if I told you that the entire narrative over the last year dealing with Russia was a story to dirty up someone and justify past illegal uses of this system not only on him but every Republican candidate, congresspersons, and maybe even judges? |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:29:29 PM EST
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Party line vote. As usual the dems to not want the truth about one of the greatest conspiracies to see the light.
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:30:07 PM EST
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yes, and a nobody has-been porno actress said she had an affair with him , after having said that she didn't, and said she was paid off, right before she said she wasn't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But.. Trump said shithole. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:32:39 PM EST
[#8]
Get em!
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:32:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The entire House gets access, what are the odds it gets leaked? 
I can see the Congress Critters literally racing for the door to be the first. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:35:04 PM EST
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If it is damning to the left and gets leaked you will see a DOJ investigation into republicans ASAP. Only the left gets to leak or play fast and loose with classified info Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The entire House gets access, what are the odds it gets leaked?
I can see the Congress Critters literally racing for the door to be the first. That said Eric Holder has threatened Republicans in Congress over Mueller and my guess is he and Comey's rah-rah stuff as of late is them saying cover our ass! So we'll see what dirty gets leaked. Remember though, a lot of them decided not to come back. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:35:16 PM EST
[#11]
MAGA
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:35:34 PM EST
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I'm surprised, nothing from Trey Gowdy. He likes the spotlight. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:37:12 PM EST
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Didn’t they just re-authorize this crap in the past couple days One might expect that a president who was a victim of such surveillance would not support continuing and expanding the practice. Apparently that is not the case.
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:39:15 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if I told you the same people that wanted to impeach Bush over all of what you posted decided it wasn't so bad after all and then went and did everything they said Bush might be doing with it? What if I told you the same people who helped come up with a legal reason for the original plan, the changed one in 2004, and then supported the 2008 legislation to place more controls on it...what if I told you those same people were operating under Obama in more lofty positions and doing everything they said they never wanted to see happen? What if I told you that the entire narrative over the last year dealing with Russia was a story to dirty up someone and justify past illegal uses of this system not only on him but every Republican candidate, congresspersons, and maybe even judges? You clearly know nothing of the importance of secrecy in such matters. You can't see how many times the classified system was compromised as that- and there are fail safes inherent in the system- would require the unmasking of the target individual. That would be strictly illegal and did I mention minimization in order to firewall off the potential (however ludicrously improbable) chance the FISA system would be used to target US citizens? Besides, it could not be revealed (even if it did happen, which manuals, procedures and strict oversight make impossible) because it is classified. I think you are prone to seeing conspiracies in the mist or perhaps you are merely a cynic. So be quiet and pick up that can. Serf. 
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:39:36 PM EST
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Sadly, the House did approve the latest bill to reauthorize warrantless surveillance. One might expect that a president who was a victim of such surveillance would not support continuing and expanding the practice. Apparently that is not the case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Didn't they just re-authorize this crap in the past couple days One might expect that a president who was a victim of such surveillance would not support continuing and expanding the practice. Apparently that is not the case. It is apparently powerful stuff. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:43:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know that guy who keeps talking about weed but not Hillary? He's been hanging back, sort of you know admiring what's going on. Something tells me he's been doing that not to prosecute Republicans on random Democrat claims. That said Eric Holder has threatened Republicans in Congress over Mueller and my guess is he and Comey's rah-rah stuff as of late is them saying cover our ass! So we'll see what dirty gets leaked. Remember though, a lot of them decided not to come back. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:43:52 PM EST
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Is the FBI or DOJ going to fo this time. Probably not...
Another thread of hope and loss to the wind... 
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:45:22 PM EST
[#18]
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But muh legacy. Intel Committee: "If you like your legacy, you can keep your legacy." Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Straight party line vote. Republicans out number Dems on the Intel Committee. This is significant and a major set forward in exposing the FISA abuses of the Obummer Administration. Intel Committee: "If you like your legacy, you can keep your legacy." I HOPE |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:51:04 PM EST
[#19]
nvm
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:52:03 PM EST
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What if I told you the same people that wanted to impeach Bush over all of what you posted decided it wasn't so bad after all and then went and did everything they said Bush might be doing with it? What if I told you the same people who helped come up with a legal reason for the original plan, the changed one in 2004, and then supported the 2008 legislation to place more controls on it...what if I told you those same people were operating under Obama in more lofty positions and doing everything they said they never wanted to see happen? What if I told you that the entire narrative over the last year dealing with Russia was a story to dirty up someone and justify past illegal uses of this system not only on him but every Republican candidate, congresspersons, and maybe even judges? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Strict oversight. Multiple fail safes. Manuals. Procedures. Thousands of pages of corroborating information justifying FISA searches....but getting a real warrant would be too much paperwork. Oh, and: Essential tool for the War on Terror. They could tell us how many times they once again saved the country and cut the green wire while the clock was down to 3 seconds but that is classified. Trust them, it is a LOT. What if I told you the same people who helped come up with a legal reason for the original plan, the changed one in 2004, and then supported the 2008 legislation to place more controls on it...what if I told you those same people were operating under Obama in more lofty positions and doing everything they said they never wanted to see happen? What if I told you that the entire narrative over the last year dealing with Russia was a story to dirty up someone and justify past illegal uses of this system not only on him but every Republican candidate, congresspersons, and maybe even judges? 
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:53:46 PM EST
[#21]
This might take some time, so nobody hold their breath
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:53:48 PM EST
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Hmm... Both CNN and Daily Caller are saying the vote was unanimous. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:54:10 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nunes, who was apparently horrified by what occurred under Obama, also wanted it reauthorized. It is apparently powerful stuff. We don't blame guns when a criminal uses one to rob a weave store inside a 7-11 do we? That a criminal used it to do criminal stuff isn't really relevant to the tool. Surveillance sucks, unfettered surveillance sucks even more. But, guess what, it's here, it's not going away. Throwing the whole system out because some affirmative action hired president was a criminal with it is stupid. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:55:25 PM EST
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I would pass your concerns along to top_men for consideration. You clearly know nothing of the importance of secrecy in such matters. You can't see how many times the classified system was compromised as that- and there are fail safes inherent in the system- would require the unmasking of the target individual. That would be strictly illegal and did I mention minimization in order to firewall off the potential (however ludicrously improbable) chance the FISA system would be used to target US citizens? Besides, it could not be revealed (even if it did happen, which manuals, procedures and strict oversight make impossible) because it is classified. I think you are prone to seeing conspiracies in the mist or perhaps you are merely a cynic. So be quiet and pick up that can. Serf. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What if I told you the same people that wanted to impeach Bush over all of what you posted decided it wasn't so bad after all and then went and did everything they said Bush might be doing with it? What if I told you the same people who helped come up with a legal reason for the original plan, the changed one in 2004, and then supported the 2008 legislation to place more controls on it...what if I told you those same people were operating under Obama in more lofty positions and doing everything they said they never wanted to see happen? What if I told you that the entire narrative over the last year dealing with Russia was a story to dirty up someone and justify past illegal uses of this system not only on him but every Republican candidate, congresspersons, and maybe even judges? You clearly know nothing of the importance of secrecy in such matters. You can't see how many times the classified system was compromised as that- and there are fail safes inherent in the system- would require the unmasking of the target individual. That would be strictly illegal and did I mention minimization in order to firewall off the potential (however ludicrously improbable) chance the FISA system would be used to target US citizens? Besides, it could not be revealed (even if it did happen, which manuals, procedures and strict oversight make impossible) because it is classified. I think you are prone to seeing conspiracies in the mist or perhaps you are merely a cynic. So be quiet and pick up that can. Serf. 
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:55:29 PM EST
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Hmm... Both CNN and Daily Caller are saying the vote was unanimous. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Hmm... Both CNN and Daily Caller are saying the vote was unanimous. The House Intelligence Committee voted unanimously on Thursday to release a transcript of Fusion GPS founder Glenn Simpson’s testimony before the panel last November. Daily Caller The committee voted in a closed-door meeting to release the transcript, which Simpson himself and the panel's top Democrat had pushed for over the past month. The vote was unanimous, committee member Rep. Denny Heck told CNN. ETA: Beat |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:55:55 PM EST
[#26]
Does Trump have the power to declassify this?
How would declassifying this be bad? |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:56:27 PM EST
[#27]
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Does Trump have the power to declassify this? How would declassifying this be bad? |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:56:59 PM EST
[#28]
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Obama is a fucking criminal. We don't blame guns when a criminal uses one to rob a weave store inside a 7-11 do we? That a criminal used it to do criminal stuff isn't really relevant to the tool. Surveillance sucks, unfettered surveillance sucks even more. But, guess what, it's here, it's not going away. Throwing the whole system out because some affirmative action hired president was a criminal with it is stupid. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Nunes, who was apparently horrified by what occurred under Obama, also wanted it reauthorized. It is apparently powerful stuff. We don't blame guns when a criminal uses one to rob a weave store inside a 7-11 do we? That a criminal used it to do criminal stuff isn't really relevant to the tool. Surveillance sucks, unfettered surveillance sucks even more. But, guess what, it's here, it's not going away. Throwing the whole system out because some affirmative action hired president was a criminal with it is stupid. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:58:19 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nunes, who was apparently horrified by what occurred under Obama, also wanted it reauthorized. It is apparently powerful stuff. Which might explain why someone who is "horrified" by the abuse supports making it possible for the abuse to continue under the color of law*. *I recognize that now that the infrastructure exists, the government will continue to use it whether or not the law purports to make it legal. Congress is simply providing the fig leaf of legality. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:58:38 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: House would have to vote to declassify it. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:58:44 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats for the Fusion GPS transcript, not for the FISA docs. They were separate votes. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 1:59:20 PM EST
[#32]
Stasi going to be Stasi.
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:03:13 PM EST
[#33]
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I'm surprised, nothing from Trey Gowdy. He likes the spotlight. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:03:56 PM EST
[#34]
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But.. Trump said shithole. 
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:07:37 PM EST
[#35]
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I would pass your concerns along to top_men for consideration. You clearly know nothing of the importance of secrecy in such matters. You can't see how many times the classified system was compromised as that- and there are fail safes inherent in the system- would require the unmasking of the target individual. That would be strictly illegal and did I mention minimization in order to firewall off the potential (however ludicrously improbable) chance the FISA system would be used to target US citizens? Besides, it could not be revealed (even if it did happen, which manuals, procedures and strict oversight make impossible) because it is classified. I think you are prone to seeing conspiracies in the mist or perhaps you are merely a cynic. So be quiet and pick up that can. Serf. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What if I told you the same people that wanted to impeach Bush over all of what you posted decided it wasn't so bad after all and then went and did everything they said Bush might be doing with it? What if I told you the same people who helped come up with a legal reason for the original plan, the changed one in 2004, and then supported the 2008 legislation to place more controls on it...what if I told you those same people were operating under Obama in more lofty positions and doing everything they said they never wanted to see happen? What if I told you that the entire narrative over the last year dealing with Russia was a story to dirty up someone and justify past illegal uses of this system not only on him but every Republican candidate, congresspersons, and maybe even judges? You clearly know nothing of the importance of secrecy in such matters. You can't see how many times the classified system was compromised as that- and there are fail safes inherent in the system- would require the unmasking of the target individual. That would be strictly illegal and did I mention minimization in order to firewall off the potential (however ludicrously improbable) chance the FISA system would be used to target US citizens? Besides, it could not be revealed (even if it did happen, which manuals, procedures and strict oversight make impossible) because it is classified. I think you are prone to seeing conspiracies in the mist or perhaps you are merely a cynic. So be quiet and pick up that can. Serf.
/Sarcasm |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:08:15 PM EST
[#36]
This Tweet aged really well.
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:08:21 PM EST
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I still think Bill Priestap is key to this entire criminal conspiracy. He's the head of FBI counter intelligence so all of it had to go through him. All of it.
Yet his name is never mentioned by anyone. Not by congress, not by witnesses, no one Here, when Comey gets surprised and scared upon being questioned about ignoring oversight, he attempts to throw Priestap under the bus. Note that he does not mention his name. No one ever mentions his name. At 2:00 is where she makes him wet his pants.  Rep. Elise Stefanik asks questions at Comey hearing |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:12:32 PM EST
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WHERE ARE THE TWINS????
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:17:55 PM EST
[#39]
@Top_Secret
@Bullet_Sponge Dear Sirs, You both have such insight into current events and I wondered if you had time to comment on this troubling situation. Thanks in advance.
#MAGA |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:25:27 PM EST
[#40]
My Flynstincts tells me they'll be avoiding this one.
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:26:34 PM EST
[#41]
It is a good day! MAGA
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:31:21 PM EST
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:33:27 PM EST
[#43]
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I still think Bill Priestap is key to this entire criminal conspiracy. He's the head of FBI counter intelligence so all of it had to go through him. All of it. Yet his name is never mentioned by anyone. Not by congress, not by witnesses, no one Here, when Comey gets surprised and scared upon being questioned about ignoring oversight, he attempts to throw Priestap under the bus. Note that he does not mention his name. No one ever mentions his name. At 2:00 is where she makes him wet his pants.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlXXZQgh72Y
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Posted: 1/18/2018 2:47:53 PM EST
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Yep.
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I know that. Some of the Dems were crowing that it should be released, primarily Adam Schiff. I have a feeling he really didn't want it released. I love how Russian Collusion is about exposing the truth.... yet they vote really hard to hide the truth in this case. Hypocrite much?
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Posted: 1/18/2018 3:04:41 PM EST
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Apparently not as powerful as those who want to continue the surveillance. Which might explain why someone who is "horrified" by the abuse supports making it possible for the abuse to continue under the color of law*. *I recognize that now that the infrastructure exists, the government will continue to use it whether or not the law purports to make it legal. Congress is simply providing the fig leaf of legality. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Nunes, who was apparently horrified by what occurred under Obama, also wanted it reauthorized. It is apparently powerful stuff. Which might explain why someone who is "horrified" by the abuse supports making it possible for the abuse to continue under the color of law*. *I recognize that now that the infrastructure exists, the government will continue to use it whether or not the law purports to make it legal. Congress is simply providing the fig leaf of legality. The whole thing is a separate issue from whether 702 should exist or not. Which you would have a very strong case that it shouldn't due to the abuse by ignoring and bypassing the checks as put forth in the law. Because the truth of the situation is that none of this would have happened, if the law was followed, and the process was not "weaponized" for political gain. Which again, is a separate issue on whether it should even exist. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 3:21:33 PM EST
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I still think Bill Priestap is key to this entire criminal conspiracy. He's the head of FBI counter intelligence so all of it had to go through him. All of it. Yet his name is never mentioned by anyone. Not by congress, not by witnesses, no one Here, when Comey gets surprised and scared upon being questioned about ignoring oversight, he attempts to throw Priestap under the bus. Note that he does not mention his name. No one ever mentions his name. At 2:00 is where she makes him wet his pants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlXXZQgh72YRecall that Comey was "crying" and going to resign unless the FISA spying under the Bush administration was put under stricter controls and it was. He and Mueller along with Brennen all wanted to keep this FISA spying and when the 2008 law updating FISA was passed and signed into law giving congressional oversight they all sort of swung on over into Obama land. This isn't oh shit, I forgot about that part of the law. This is I've been knee deep in this stuff for over a decade and was "crying" to make it more legal and have some oversight but all of the damn sudden I forgot about that fact. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 3:23:15 PM EST
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This release of documents, like any action in DC is the result of a political deal. Dems and deep state allowed it, so someone got paid in favors or $$$.
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Posted: 1/18/2018 3:23:25 PM EST
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MAGA Trump may be our POTUS, but we still have the same congress and a pussy mother fucker swamp creature for a DOJ. |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 3:36:03 PM EST
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Yeah, too bad they just voted to authorize more of this and we'll see how MAGA things are if anyone actually gets in trouble after pleading the 5th. Trump may be our POTUS, but we still have the same congress and a pussy mother fucker swamp creature for a DOJ. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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MAGA Trump may be our POTUS, but we still have the same congress and a pussy mother fucker swamp creature for a DOJ. How systematic was this being abused? We don't really know right now but if it came out that this was a regular thing for Team Obama and the Democrats (remember the ones who screamed bloody murder in 2005 about BUUUUUUSH?) then it brings many things into question. There are loopholes that I'm sure the Obama administration utilized and the issue will be proving one way or the other that they were within their rights to use said loopholes. Monitoring US citizens for the hell of it to make sure you know how they're going to vote or blanket FISA warrants ala Bush Dept. isn't going to fly. The Democrats? They're going to fight this like crazy but if it comes out it comes out. Expect a trip down memory lane to 2005 when they majestically stopped Bush from doing the "same thing." |
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Posted: 1/18/2018 3:44:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sadly, the House did approve the latest bill to reauthorize warrantless surveillance. One might expect that a president who was a victim of such surveillance would not support continuing and expanding the practice. Apparently that is not the case. Then, and only then should those powers and path be removed...in a most permanent way. |
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