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Posted: 3/22/2022 8:44:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @PrincipsPistol Do you know what color RIT that is? Seen this before and was going to do some canteen covers with NVG inserts for my PVS14 Might pick up a cheap UCP pack for some gear bags for different hunts. I normally change out gear depending on what season it is but may make up a specific hog bag and one for other varmints. Quote HistoryQuoted: @PrincipsPistol Do you know what color RIT that is? Seen this before and was going to do some canteen covers with NVG inserts for my PVS14 Might pick up a cheap UCP pack for some gear bags for different hunts. I normally change out gear depending on what season it is but may make up a specific hog bag and one for other varmints. Liquid apple green RIT is what most people use. Boil enough water to mostly fill a 5gal bucket then add a little bit of vinegar and use the whole bottle of RIT flip the pack or uniform every 15 minutes for an hour so you get full coverage, I used a wooden dowel so I didn't stain my hands, then rinse with cold water, let it air dry, then run it in a washer machine on cold and you can use a dryer afterwards. Brent0331 had a video I followed his buddies instructions in the video for my 3 day assault pack. UCP stuff is usually dirt cheap, I don't think you can dye goretex though I think it would mess up the breathability. found it-  How to dye UCP into a functional tropical camouflage pattern |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 8:52:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryThat would probably work amazingly well in the deserts of Cheetopia. |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 9:53:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WOKEhartt To be fair those coveralls are Key Polar Kings. I used "carhart brown" as a generic color. |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 10:00:34 PM EST
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Posted: 3/22/2022 10:10:57 PM EST
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I’m not sure what works the best. But I always thought the woodland BDUs looked the best.
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Posted: 3/22/2022 11:28:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @BBTC_MH Liquid apple green RIT is what most people use. Boil enough water to mostly fill a 5gal bucket then add a little bit of vinegar and use the whole bottle of RIT flip the pack or uniform every 15 minutes for an hour so you get full coverage, I used a wooden dowel so I didn't stain my hands, then rinse with cold water, let it air dry, then run it in a washer machine on cold and you can use a dryer afterwards. Brent0331 had a video I followed his buddies instructions in the video for my 3 day assault pack. UCP stuff is usually dirt cheap, I don't think you can dye goretex though I think it would mess up the breathability. found it-  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD3wy-3kNm4I wonder how well it would work with brown dye for out here in the desert...interesting. |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 11:33:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best is old school bdu This is the correct answer. |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 11:34:58 PM EST
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ATACS has been my favorite for a long time.
The M90 from the Swedes is pretty cool too. Kryptek has a couple that are actually pretty decent depending on time of year @Vap0rWav3r Exelon? |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 11:48:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My experience has been that the Kuiu/Sitka "open" type patterns stick out like a sore thumb hunting in the eastern hardwoods when the leaves are down. I bowhunted with both in the east one trip and got busted hard. Way better success with plain 'ol Realtree AP. Even though I own Kuiu and Sitka, I think the patterns are overhyped. I have a pretty deep granola sport background - alpinism, backcountry skiing, climbing, etc. I can remember hunting not too long ago and bitching about how shitty most hunting clothing actually was. It just wasn't functional for serious backcountry hunting. We used to daydream, "Wouldn't it be sweet if a company made Arcteryx type clothing in camo patterns? Well...that's what Kuiu and Sitka did. They're great for backcountry hunting because of the design and materials. In terms of concealment? They're not gonna make you invisible. The Sitka patterns/colors are also designed around animal vision. I've had great luck with Sitka patterns confusing deer, but other hunters pick you out pretty quickly. http://www.huntonly.com/articles/2010/12/gore-optifade-forest-1.html |
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Posted: 3/22/2022 11:53:07 PM EST
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Worst:
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Posted: 3/23/2022 12:14:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OD slant pocket jungle fatigues Yes, they are. And they only cost me $5.85 a set in the Fort Eustis Clothing Sales in 1984, and issued for free in Panama in 1987. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 12:47:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Worst: https://external-preview.redd.it/67u0roiEtnzNhThaOD5iaaS5Cl5Kax3tJpqgg50RKj8.jpg?auto=webp&s=786119fec83dcac1a4197498ef8bece2a5abd751 ETA: Uh...well...shit. I take it back. That shit sucked when we had to switch over. Super heavy and horrible to wear in the summer. Sucked major ass. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 1:04:54 AM EST
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Last week I walked up to within 25 yards of 6 deer, in an empty field, wearing blue jeans and a ratty brown hoody.
Ymmv. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 1:29:26 AM EST
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Interesting image
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Posted: 3/23/2022 1:30:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last week I walked up to within 25 yards of 6 deer, in an empty field, wearing blue jeans and a ratty brown hoody. Ymmv. I have driven a truck really close to dear, if they dont perceive a threat they stick around. As far as camo goes, multicam and strata work the best in my area. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 5:08:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ATACS has been my favorite for a long time. The M90 from the Swedes is pretty cool too. Kryptek has a couple that are actually pretty decent depending on time of year @Vap0rWav3r Exelon? 
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Posted: 3/23/2022 5:13:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wonder how well it would work with brown dye for out here in the desert...interesting.  I've only seen RIT Taupe used and it looks darker than what you would probably want for a desert (maybe it would be fine ? I'm not that familiar with deserts), but it still looks better than UCP, IMHO. Would blend in really well in Autumn with leaves like pictured. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 5:17:05 AM EST
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The new relv patterns look really promising. I'm excited to try out their thermal hides
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Posted: 3/23/2022 5:53:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is UCP? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What does ACU stand for? Army Combat Uniform What is UCP? Universal Camouflage Pattern. The original pattern for ACUs. ACU is still the standard Army uniform and has been adopted by the USAF as well, but the current camo pattern is called OCP. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 6:16:48 AM EST
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I published an article once titled "Camouflage is a Concept, Not a Pattern".
My research was geared more towards hunting than .mil applications, but some of the details still apply. The pattern, to some extent means nothing. The colors matter. Gray, OD, Black, all have a place in your pattern. Open patterns are better than tight patterns. I like Tiger Stripe. BDU Woodland. Asat. But honestly plain OD or plain gray might be the best of all. The fabric has a lot to do with it. Absorbing light rather than reflecting light is key. Wool absorbs light better than anything else. If someone told me you have to pick one pattern to stay hidden everywhere and forever, it would be gray wool. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 6:22:52 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: *Snip* If someone told me you have to pick one pattern to stay hidden everywhere and forever, it would be gray wool. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 8:03:45 AM EST
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Posted: 3/23/2022 7:28:23 PM EST
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Quote HistoryI like that smock |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 7:42:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Burnsy87 Yep Been there. We were legit laughing at the slideshow they were presenting us with a picture of an NSO wearing that and the new Exelon department head jumped in and said ours were being shipped that week
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Posted: 3/23/2022 7:54:35 PM EST
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Posted: 3/23/2022 8:00:06 PM EST
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I dropped an Alpenflage jacket on the Ozark Trail one time and had a hell of a time finding it, so there's that.
We've successfully called in turkeys wearing woodland bdu's; I think it's pretty effective too. I really think the army screwed the pooch when they adopted UCP. On the bright side, UCP surplus is pretty cheap, and it's decent if RIT dyed properly. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 8:03:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like that smock Quote HistoryQuoted: I like that smock I have one - Arktis is good stuff. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 8:07:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have one - Arktis is good stuff. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I like that smock I have one - Arktis is good stuff. Same, I agree. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 8:16:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are a lot of worsts. Anything with a tight pattern looks like a single blob beyond short distances. The best is ASAT (All Season All Terrain). It's been around at least a couple of decades and isn't "cool" looking, but it's large, open pattern breaks up the human form like nothing else and blends in well in very well with most terrain. ASAT Quote HistoryQuoted: There are a lot of worsts. Anything with a tight pattern looks like a single blob beyond short distances. The best is ASAT (All Season All Terrain). It's been around at least a couple of decades and isn't "cool" looking, but it's large, open pattern breaks up the human form like nothing else and blends in well in very well with most terrain. ASAT I really like ASAT, but it's not "all season all terrain". I talked to them at SHOT once about a couple of alternative color sets but they didn't seem terribly interested. I also photoshopped a pixelated version of the pattern that I thought looked really good. ASAT to me is basically multi-directional tiger stripe, the pattern is very visually disruptive. One of my most interesting photoshop camo experiments was based on ASAT. It was actually kind of hard to look at. I should have printed it full size and tried it in the field. Quoted: I'm no expert, but my perception is that for effectiveness, Multi-Cam is at the top of the pile. It looks neat in photos and close up, but after seeing real uniforms in the field it just looks like featureless khaki at any sort of distance. Scorpion is a little better than multicam in that regard, but not a lot. I've seen a lot of camo in a lot of different environments and have some ideas about what works and what doesn't, and most of what people are using these days isn't all that good. It's made to fit people's preconceived ideas of what camo is supposed to look like instead of what actually deceives the eye. All I've seen are photos but the new German pattern ("multitarn") looks pretty interesting although I would have done the colors a little differently. Most patterns are just too small. A recolored version of the Flecktarn Arid would not be a bad thing. In a more traditional pattern a recolored version of 6-color desert would be pretty good IMO. The new CADPAT isn't too far off, but still using the same pixelated pattern which IMO is too small. The CADPAT arid is a better sized pattern. I still like the desert brush pattern and regret not buying the bolt of fabric that I saw for sale some years ago 
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Posted: 3/23/2022 8:48:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really like ASAT, but it's not "all season all terrain". I talked to them at SHOT once about a couple of alternative color sets but they didn't seem terribly interested. I also photoshopped a pixelated version of the pattern that I thought looked really good. It looks neat in photos and close up, but after seeing real uniforms in the field it just looks like featureless khaki at any sort of distance. Scorpion is a little better than multicam in that regard, but not a lot. I've seen a lot of camo in a lot of different environments and have some ideas about what works and what doesn't, and most of what people are using these days isn't all that good. It's made to fit people's preconceived ideas of what camo is supposed to look like instead of what actually deceives the eye. All I've seen are photos but the new German pattern looks pretty interesting. Most patterns are just too small. Multicam works pretty damn well where I'm at. |
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Posted: 3/23/2022 10:21:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: no clue on actual effectiveness but the coolest has to be tiger stripe https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/132928/Tiger-stripe-Camo-John-Wayne-The-Green-B-2315263.jpg It works very well here during spring through early bow season in the brush. Once the leaves start to change or in summer grasslands, it's time for something else though. |
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Posted: 3/24/2022 12:03:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Been there. We were legit laughing at the slideshow they were presenting us with a picture of an NSO wearing that and the new Exelon department head jumped in and said ours were being shipped that week We went from light grey BDUs with matching button down collared shirts to those and black tshirts or long sleeves and everyone hated them, the only thing we liked was ditching the button up uniform shirts. We had to wait forever to wear them after they were issued because they had trouble sourcing 5x (I'm probably exaggerating, but not much) for some of our "bigger" guards and wouldn't roll them out until everyone had them. One of the guards was bitching during a shift brief about it saying "when is Omar the tent maker going to finish sewing (so and so's) uniform?" We all started laughing pretty hard. The cut on them was terrible, it looked like everyone was wearing a burlap sack, crotches got ripped constantly, the fly buttons were horribly sewn you had to go through and re-sew the buttons on brand new pairs of pants so you didn't lose any of the buttons. They ditched the camo fatigues because we looked "too intimidating" to visitors  |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 7:43:40 PM EST
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Posted: 3/27/2022 7:53:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryAlready said tiger stripe |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:17:38 PM EST
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ACU was developed to defeat Chinese optics. They had their place. They aren't even close to being something I would call bad. I wore them for 2 tours in Afghanistan. I became kind of attached to them
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:22:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Last week I walked up to within 25 yards of 6 deer, in an empty field, wearing blue jeans and a ratty brown hoody. Ymmv. I’ve shot burst from an M2, while a deer idled by- only 5m away. They couldn’t have cared less. |
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:27:26 PM EST
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Mix and match camo to your surroundings. Anything short of using thermal and I can hide from you pretty much anywhere. 2 keys to staying hid are NO skin shine, and no movement. You would also be surprised how much not making direct eye contact matters.
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Posted: 3/27/2022 8:54:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok can you see the gun in my hand? I do like multi-cam and urban tiger Lol. Red https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22838/7782A85D-00E2-4A8C-9387-14ED9671EEED_jpe-2328656.JPG I like the pattern on the gun, but notice how highlighted/bright your shoulders are? MC Tropic is a vast improvement, but I can't find an in-stock ACU-style shirt in it anywhere. My order for everything else was filled in mid-December, but still waiting on the top! I wonder if I could RIT die a regular MC top . . ? Has anyone tried that? |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 10:59:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like the pattern on the gun, but notice how highlighted/bright your shoulders are? MC Tropic is a vast improvement, but I can't find an in-stock ACU-style shirt in it anywhere. My order for everything else was filled in mid-December, but still waiting on the top! I wonder if I could RIT die a regular MC top . . ? Has anyone tried that? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ok can you see the gun in my hand? I do like multi-cam and urban tiger Lol. Red https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/22838/7782A85D-00E2-4A8C-9387-14ED9671EEED_jpe-2328656.JPG I like the pattern on the gun, but notice how highlighted/bright your shoulders are? MC Tropic is a vast improvement, but I can't find an in-stock ACU-style shirt in it anywhere. My order for everything else was filled in mid-December, but still waiting on the top! I wonder if I could RIT die a regular MC top . . ? Has anyone tried that? @Former11BRAVO The picture was taken at high noon - If you look at the ground around me - you can see that the sun was so bright that it was washing out everything. The camo tape on the front of the fun was Mossy Oak Obsession - amazing how the spring green in it is working... Think that the biggest problem in camo is the greens - always hard to find the right color of green because it changes in the seasons - that is Why ASAT leaves out the green and runs with the Beige/tan/black - the colors that are always there... Do post up some pics! Red |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:14:43 AM EST
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I'm a big fan of Flacktarn and M81 for South Carolina woods and swamps. DK's M84 is a great summer pattern when everything is very green down here.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:14:46 AM EST
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I have worn type 1 and type 3 NWUs, or blueberries and guacs. The type 1s actually aren’t bad in an urban setting at night, not useful many other places. But the material is thicker than the rest. In San Antonio in august it sucked ass.
Been issued marpats. worn briefly only for a school. Now i wear multicam. The summer weight is the best in comfort wear and a good general camo pattern for my area. Marpats look sharpest, especially in garrison as a working uniform. There may be better patterns out there but what I’m required to wear works very well and is readily available. I respect the generation that had to wear the ACU but that pattern needs to die and stay dead forever. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:29:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really like ASAT, but it's not "all season all terrain". I talked to them at SHOT once about a couple of alternative color sets but they didn't seem terribly interested. I also photoshopped a pixelated version of the pattern that I thought looked really good. ASAT to me is basically multi-directional tiger stripe, the pattern is very visually disruptive. One of my most interesting photoshop camo experiments was based on ASAT. It was actually kind of hard to look at. I should have printed it full size and tried it in the field. It looks neat in photos and close up, but after seeing real uniforms in the field it just looks like featureless khaki at any sort of distance. Scorpion is a little better than multicam in that regard, but not a lot. I've seen a lot of camo in a lot of different environments and have some ideas about what works and what doesn't, and most of what people are using these days isn't all that good. It's made to fit people's preconceived ideas of what camo is supposed to look like instead of what actually deceives the eye. All I've seen are photos but the new German pattern ("multitarn") looks pretty interesting although I would have done the colors a little differently. Most patterns are just too small. A recolored version of the Flecktarn Arid would not be a bad thing. In a more traditional pattern a recolored version of 6-color desert would be pretty good IMO. The new CADPAT isn't too far off, but still using the same pixelated pattern which IMO is too small. The CADPAT arid is a better sized pattern. I still like the desert brush pattern and regret not buying the bolt of fabric that I saw for sale some years ago |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:33:22 AM EST
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I don't know much about this, but I do know I nearly killed a Marine in green MARPAT while driving in DC at dusk. He was walking and damn near invisible.
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Posted: 3/28/2022 11:42:01 AM EST
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Multicam Tropic all the things.
This Russian pattern looks good for the fall  SSO/SPOSN Partizan M Sniper Suit, Autumn Side, camo effectiveness Worst is definitely that Yemeni yellow/brown camo, horrible. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 12:17:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryWhat's the trick to getting them darker green like above? I did a set in green apple (?), came out decent, but a little too light. Maybe I need to add more dye? |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 12:23:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the pattern size on temperate CADPAT (and patterns that copied it, like MARPAT, NWU, UCP) is optimized for 50m-300m. The larger pattern on desert CADPAT is made to effective out to 600m Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I really like ASAT, but it's not "all season all terrain". I talked to them at SHOT once about a couple of alternative color sets but they didn't seem terribly interested. I also photoshopped a pixelated version of the pattern that I thought looked really good. ASAT to me is basically multi-directional tiger stripe, the pattern is very visually disruptive. One of my most interesting photoshop camo experiments was based on ASAT. It was actually kind of hard to look at. I should have printed it full size and tried it in the field. It looks neat in photos and close up, but after seeing real uniforms in the field it just looks like featureless khaki at any sort of distance. Scorpion is a little better than multicam in that regard, but not a lot. I've seen a lot of camo in a lot of different environments and have some ideas about what works and what doesn't, and most of what people are using these days isn't all that good. It's made to fit people's preconceived ideas of what camo is supposed to look like instead of what actually deceives the eye. All I've seen are photos but the new German pattern ("multitarn") looks pretty interesting although I would have done the colors a little differently. Most patterns are just too small. A recolored version of the Flecktarn Arid would not be a bad thing. In a more traditional pattern a recolored version of 6-color desert would be pretty good IMO. The new CADPAT isn't too far off, but still using the same pixelated pattern which IMO is too small. The CADPAT arid is a better sized pattern. I still like the desert brush pattern and regret not buying the bolt of fabric that I saw for sale some years ago I know that's the claim, but at 50m the normal digital patterns (CADPAT, MARPAT, UCP, NWU, AOR are all the same pattern, just different colors) turn to mush IMO. They just aren't disruptive to a human-size form. Or maybe I'm just better at pattern recognition than most, I dunno. 6 color desert to me is a good pattern size for uniforms, CADPAT arid, Flecktarn, some others are similar in size range to the visual elements. Woodland pattern is in the same range, just needs the colors adjusted. |
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Posted: 3/28/2022 12:49:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I published an article once titled "Camouflage is a Concept, Not a Pattern". My research was geared more towards hunting than .mil applications, but some of the details still apply. The pattern, to some extent means nothing. The colors matter. Gray, OD, Black, all have a place in your pattern. Open patterns are better than tight patterns. I like Tiger Stripe. BDU Woodland. Asat. But honestly plain OD or plain gray might be the best of all. The fabric has a lot to do with it. Absorbing light rather than reflecting light is key. Wool absorbs light better than anything else. If someone told me you have to pick one pattern to stay hidden everywhere and forever, it would be gray wool. Deer are red/green color blind but have more (if I remember correctly) rods than cones so they see UV better. If it glows under a black light that can see you. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 7:30:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Deer are red/green color blind but have more (if I remember correctly) rods than cones so they see UV better. If it glows under a black light that can see you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I published an article once titled "Camouflage is a Concept, Not a Pattern". My research was geared more towards hunting than .mil applications, but some of the details still apply. The pattern, to some extent means nothing. The colors matter. Gray, OD, Black, all have a place in your pattern. Open patterns are better than tight patterns. I like Tiger Stripe. BDU Woodland. Asat. But honestly plain OD or plain gray might be the best of all. The fabric has a lot to do with it. Absorbing light rather than reflecting light is key. Wool absorbs light better than anything else. If someone told me you have to pick one pattern to stay hidden everywhere and forever, it would be gray wool. Deer are red/green color blind but have more (if I remember correctly) rods than cones so they see UV better. If it glows under a black light that can see you. If you can be still and be aware of wind, you could stalk hunt deer in a clown suit. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 7:53:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s because you have to buy the mossy oak for your environment. Most people just get the big box store mossy oak that doesn’t work. I have MO for the Louisiana swamps and different for east Texas and different for SE Oklahoma Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: worst is mossy oak. I used to watch black blobs move through the woods when I was bow hunting. If you wore ASAT or Multicam you'd be invisible, but with mossy oak the pattern is too dark and too dense, turns to black at a distance. Camo is like fishing lures, it's intended to catch people at the store, not in the field. That’s because you have to buy the mossy oak for your environment. Most people just get the big box store mossy oak that doesn’t work. I have MO for the Louisiana swamps and different for east Texas and different for SE Oklahoma Agreed. It was perfect for most of La. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 7:55:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know that's the claim, but at 50m the normal digital patterns (CADPAT, MARPAT, UCP, NWU, AOR are all the same pattern, just different colors) turn to mush IMO. They just aren't disruptive to a human-size form. Or maybe I'm just better at pattern recognition than most, I dunno. 6 color desert to me is a good pattern size for uniforms, CADPAT arid, Flecktarn, some others are similar in size range to the visual elements. Woodland pattern is in the same range, just needs the colors adjusted. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I really like ASAT, but it's not "all season all terrain". I talked to them at SHOT once about a couple of alternative color sets but they didn't seem terribly interested. I also photoshopped a pixelated version of the pattern that I thought looked really good. ASAT to me is basically multi-directional tiger stripe, the pattern is very visually disruptive. One of my most interesting photoshop camo experiments was based on ASAT. It was actually kind of hard to look at. I should have printed it full size and tried it in the field. It looks neat in photos and close up, but after seeing real uniforms in the field it just looks like featureless khaki at any sort of distance. Scorpion is a little better than multicam in that regard, but not a lot. I've seen a lot of camo in a lot of different environments and have some ideas about what works and what doesn't, and most of what people are using these days isn't all that good. It's made to fit people's preconceived ideas of what camo is supposed to look like instead of what actually deceives the eye. All I've seen are photos but the new German pattern ("multitarn") looks pretty interesting although I would have done the colors a little differently. Most patterns are just too small. A recolored version of the Flecktarn Arid would not be a bad thing. In a more traditional pattern a recolored version of 6-color desert would be pretty good IMO. The new CADPAT isn't too far off, but still using the same pixelated pattern which IMO is too small. The CADPAT arid is a better sized pattern. I still like the desert brush pattern and regret not buying the bolt of fabric that I saw for sale some years ago I know that's the claim, but at 50m the normal digital patterns (CADPAT, MARPAT, UCP, NWU, AOR are all the same pattern, just different colors) turn to mush IMO. They just aren't disruptive to a human-size form. Or maybe I'm just better at pattern recognition than most, I dunno. 6 color desert to me is a good pattern size for uniforms, CADPAT arid, Flecktarn, some others are similar in size range to the visual elements. Woodland pattern is in the same range, just needs the colors adjusted. Check out how good CADPAT works just laying in the grass at close range. Now look at the guy standing at the top, in front of the tree line 
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