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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:10:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Check out how good CADPAT works just laying in the grass at close range. Now look at the guy standing at the top, in front of the tree line https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51967721627_b8df3088ba_o.jpg What that picture shows is you need to cover hands and faces. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 2:17:00 PM EST
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Posted: 3/29/2022 5:57:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What that picture shows is you need to cover hands and faces. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Check out how good CADPAT works just laying in the grass at close range. Now look at the guy standing at the top, in front of the tree line https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51967721627_b8df3088ba_o.jpg What that picture shows is you need to cover hands and faces. Esp if you're a pasty white Canadian |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 6:17:45 PM EST
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The tragic real life story of Kryptek
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Posted: 3/29/2022 6:20:20 PM EST
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a Scots Gaelic term meaning “boy”
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Posted: 3/29/2022 6:52:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We did the same with M90, but a lot of our other gear remained green.  https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/ImageVault/publishedmedia/t853ogldy4i9ypk4ewj4/20080920_CC017_FS15_CQ_056.jpg Any chance you were here in late 2011? |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 7:18:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Check out how good CADPAT works just laying in the grass at close range. Now look at the guy standing at the top, in front of the tree line https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51967721627_b8df3088ba_o.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I really like ASAT, but it's not "all season all terrain". I talked to them at SHOT once about a couple of alternative color sets but they didn't seem terribly interested. I also photoshopped a pixelated version of the pattern that I thought looked really good. ASAT to me is basically multi-directional tiger stripe, the pattern is very visually disruptive. One of my most interesting photoshop camo experiments was based on ASAT. It was actually kind of hard to look at. I should have printed it full size and tried it in the field. It looks neat in photos and close up, but after seeing real uniforms in the field it just looks like featureless khaki at any sort of distance. Scorpion is a little better than multicam in that regard, but not a lot. I've seen a lot of camo in a lot of different environments and have some ideas about what works and what doesn't, and most of what people are using these days isn't all that good. It's made to fit people's preconceived ideas of what camo is supposed to look like instead of what actually deceives the eye. All I've seen are photos but the new German pattern ("multitarn") looks pretty interesting although I would have done the colors a little differently. Most patterns are just too small. A recolored version of the Flecktarn Arid would not be a bad thing. In a more traditional pattern a recolored version of 6-color desert would be pretty good IMO. The new CADPAT isn't too far off, but still using the same pixelated pattern which IMO is too small. The CADPAT arid is a better sized pattern. I still like the desert brush pattern and regret not buying the bolt of fabric that I saw for sale some years ago  I know that's the claim, but at 50m the normal digital patterns (CADPAT, MARPAT, UCP, NWU, AOR are all the same pattern, just different colors) turn to mush IMO. They just aren't disruptive to a human-size form. Or maybe I'm just better at pattern recognition than most, I dunno. 6 color desert to me is a good pattern size for uniforms, CADPAT arid, Flecktarn, some others are similar in size range to the visual elements. Woodland pattern is in the same range, just needs the colors adjusted. Check out how good CADPAT works just laying in the grass at close range. Now look at the guy standing at the top, in front of the tree line https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51967721627_b8df3088ba_o.jpg I don't question what they do at 5 or 10 yards. I question what they look like at 50~300. There needs to be more variation in a larger "macropattern", otherwise to me in the real world, not just photos, it just looks like a guy standing out there. You need some bigger size elements to the pattern compared to human body parts. At least to my eye anyway. Most wouldn't believe it unless you've actually seen it in use, but the old soviet KLMK camo was very surprisingly effective, and in more terrains than one would have thought from the colors. To the degree it changed my outlook on camouflage. I'm just saying that to me, the best camo needs color and/or brightness contrast at that kind of scale to best disguise a human figure. There is also the issue of movement, in that some kinds of camo work ok when stationary but really stand out when moving, while others are better in motion. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 8:27:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't question what they do at 5 or 10 yards. I question what they look like at 50~300. There needs to be more variation in a larger "macropattern", otherwise to me in the real world, not just photos, it just looks like a guy standing out there. You need some bigger size elements to the pattern compared to human body parts. At least to my eye anyway. Most wouldn't believe it unless you've actually seen it in use, but the old soviet KLMK camo was very surprisingly effective, and in more terrains than one would have thought from the colors. To the degree it changed my outlook on camouflage. I'm just saying that to me, the best camo needs color and/or brightness contrast at that kind of scale to best disguise a human figure. There is also the issue of movement, in that some kinds of camo work ok when stationary but really stand out when moving, while others are better in motion. I agree with the larger, open patterns. Or, a pattern that creates some type of depth. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 10:39:19 PM EST
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Honestly my clothing is all brown and green. My gear is all coyote and OD. When I mix and match and it works pretty well.
If I had to pick a best all around it would be OG multicam. Don't forget, you need to make sure whatever pattern works well through night vision. My favorites, based entirely on taste, are brushstroke and tiger stripe, because of the whacking commies connotation. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 10:45:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really like ASAT, but it's not "all season all terrain". I talked to them at SHOT once about a couple of alternative color sets but they didn't seem terribly interested. I also photoshopped a pixelated version of the pattern that I thought looked really good. ASAT to me is basically multi-directional tiger stripe, the pattern is very visually disruptive. One of my most interesting photoshop camo experiments was based on ASAT. It was actually kind of hard to look at. I should have printed it full size and tried it in the field. It looks neat in photos and close up, but after seeing real uniforms in the field it just looks like featureless khaki at any sort of distance. Scorpion is a little better than multicam in that regard, but not a lot. I've seen a lot of camo in a lot of different environments and have some ideas about what works and what doesn't, and most of what people are using these days isn't all that good. It's made to fit people's preconceived ideas of what camo is supposed to look like instead of what actually deceives the eye. All I've seen are photos but the new German pattern ("multitarn") looks pretty interesting although I would have done the colors a little differently. Most patterns are just too small. A recolored version of the Flecktarn Arid would not be a bad thing. In a more traditional pattern a recolored version of 6-color desert would be pretty good IMO. The new CADPAT isn't too far off, but still using the same pixelated pattern which IMO is too small. The CADPAT arid is a better sized pattern. I still like the desert brush pattern and regret not buying the bolt of fabric that I saw for sale some years ago Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are a lot of worsts. Anything with a tight pattern looks like a single blob beyond short distances. The best is ASAT (All Season All Terrain). It's been around at least a couple of decades and isn't "cool" looking, but it's large, open pattern breaks up the human form like nothing else and blends in well in very well with most terrain. ASAT I really like ASAT, but it's not "all season all terrain". I talked to them at SHOT once about a couple of alternative color sets but they didn't seem terribly interested. I also photoshopped a pixelated version of the pattern that I thought looked really good. ASAT to me is basically multi-directional tiger stripe, the pattern is very visually disruptive. One of my most interesting photoshop camo experiments was based on ASAT. It was actually kind of hard to look at. I should have printed it full size and tried it in the field. Quoted: I'm no expert, but my perception is that for effectiveness, Multi-Cam is at the top of the pile. It looks neat in photos and close up, but after seeing real uniforms in the field it just looks like featureless khaki at any sort of distance. Scorpion is a little better than multicam in that regard, but not a lot. I've seen a lot of camo in a lot of different environments and have some ideas about what works and what doesn't, and most of what people are using these days isn't all that good. It's made to fit people's preconceived ideas of what camo is supposed to look like instead of what actually deceives the eye. All I've seen are photos but the new German pattern ("multitarn") looks pretty interesting although I would have done the colors a little differently. Most patterns are just too small. A recolored version of the Flecktarn Arid would not be a bad thing. In a more traditional pattern a recolored version of 6-color desert would be pretty good IMO. The new CADPAT isn't too far off, but still using the same pixelated pattern which IMO is too small. The CADPAT arid is a better sized pattern. I still like the desert brush pattern and regret not buying the bolt of fabric that I saw for sale some years ago Those are good. Speaking of large patterns, I really really like British Desert DPM. 
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Posted: 3/29/2022 10:47:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OD slant pocket jungle fatigues If you thought that was bad, some of us had to wear Pickle Suits. |
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Posted: 3/29/2022 11:19:42 PM EST
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For my area of Texas I like.
PenCott Badlands  Attached FileMulticam  Attached FileKryptek Highlander  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/30/2022 1:36:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We did the same with M90, but a lot of our other gear remained green. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/ImageVault/publishedmedia/t853ogldy4i9ypk4ewj4/20080920_CC017_FS15_CQ_056.jpg Any chance you were here in late 2011? https://imageshack.com/i/pndoZdJ2j Nope. My only excursion to Afghanistan was a short trip to help build a Swedish camp there in 2006. |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 9:14:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For my area of Texas I like. PenCott Badlands https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241166/Badlands_jpg-2331363.JPG Multicam https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241166/Camogrom-750x500_2x_jpg-2331364.JPG Kryptek Highlander https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241166/Highlander-750x500_2x_jpg-2331367.JPG @KTM300XCW You listed three - Which one wold be your fave or works the best? Last weekend we were turkey hunting - the three of us all sitting in a row - I was in multicam - the other two were more mossy oak - the hen that was in the decoys 20 yards away never saw us... I am curious to know how multicam breaks up the human form at distance? seems that camo all works good up close... Red |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 9:16:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Danish m84 is one of the best patterns ever made, and I am totally not biased . Although it is considered a variant of the German Flectarn, it was (allegedly) developed independently, and was issued before Flectarn. ETA: picture of the LT and other NCOs from a platoon I served in: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/1715/1334.JPG |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 9:22:18 AM EST
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Posted: 4/2/2022 4:17:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the "Seattle Pattern" will be the most useful. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/63650/urban_ghillie_jpg-2334978.JPG Do you have a stamp for that beer can - LOL Red |
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Posted: 4/2/2022 6:59:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @KTM300XCW You listed three - Which one wold be your fave or works the best? Last weekend we were turkey hunting - the three of us all sitting in a row - I was in multicam - the other two were more mossy oak - the hen that was in the decoys 20 yards away never saw us... I am curious to know how multicam breaks up the human form at distance? seems that camo all works good up close... Red Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For my area of Texas I like. PenCott Badlands https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241166/Badlands_jpg-2331363.JPG Multicam https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241166/Camogrom-750x500_2x_jpg-2331364.JPG Kryptek Highlander https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/241166/Highlander-750x500_2x_jpg-2331367.JPG @KTM300XCW You listed three - Which one wold be your fave or works the best? Last weekend we were turkey hunting - the three of us all sitting in a row - I was in multicam - the other two were more mossy oak - the hen that was in the decoys 20 yards away never saw us... I am curious to know how multicam breaks up the human form at distance? seems that camo all works good up close... Red I think the PenCott bad works the best, but because of price and availability I've settled on multicam in warmer months and multicam arid in colder months. About 2 months ago a buddy and I were shooting on my ranch at 500 yards. I was wearing multicam arid. We took a break and I walked down to the targets. On my way back I sat down about 200 yards from where we were shooting. My friend said I just disappeared. He had a really tough time finding me. I wasn't behind brush or anything. Just sitting in the open near some mesquite and cactus. |
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