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Posted: 9/3/2021 7:50:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I was FRT I wouldn't bother sueing right now. Win with the ATF first, then it might be worthwhile. Right. Let's hope they follow that logic. On the other hand it could also divide the government's attention as well just by being another mole they feel the need to whack down. Maybe if enough competitors come to market it'll be too big to control and more common. |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 8:04:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cool, but part of me wishes they'd waited to bring them to market if they are close enough to the FRT's design that it makes RBT sue them. Divides their attention and war chest at a time where they are the biggest kid on the playground fighting the bully for us. History of positive displacement trigger reset technology - In the mid 1970's Thomas Allen Graves invents the genesis of all positive displacement trigger reset systems based on a modified semi-automatic Colt Navy revolver action. - In the mid 1980's Thomas Allen Graves experiments with positive displacement trigger reset system designs for RUGER 10/22 carbine applications. - In the Early 2000's Thomas Allen Graves experiments with positive displacement trigger reset system designs for BERSA THUNDER handgun applications. - In 2014 Thomas Allen Graves invents the World's first fully integrated positive displacement trigger reset technology type firearm. - In 2015 Thomas Allen Graves provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to WOLF TACTICAL LLC. - In 2020 WOLF TACTICAL LLC provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to RARE BREED TRIGGERS LLC. -In 2021 Thomas Allen Graves provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to ALAMO TRIGGERS LLC. |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 10:38:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why would RBT sue them? According to the link on that very page: History of positive displacement trigger reset technology - In the mid 1970's Thomas Allen Graves invents the genesis of all positive displacement trigger reset systems based on a modified semi-automatic Colt Navy revolver action. - In the mid 1980's Thomas Allen Graves experiments with positive displacement trigger reset system designs for RUGER 10/22 carbine applications. - In the Early 2000's Thomas Allen Graves experiments with positive displacement trigger reset system designs for BERSA THUNDER handgun applications. - In 2014 Thomas Allen Graves invents the World's first fully integrated positive displacement trigger reset technology type firearm. - In 2015 Thomas Allen Graves provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to WOLF TACTICAL LLC. - In 2020 WOLF TACTICAL LLC provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to RARE BREED TRIGGERS LLC. -In 2021 Thomas Allen Graves provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to ALAMO TRIGGERS LLC. Interdasting! |
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Posted: 9/3/2021 10:48:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interdasting! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why would RBT sue them? According to the link on that very page: History of positive displacement trigger reset technology - In the mid 1970's Thomas Allen Graves invents the genesis of all positive displacement trigger reset systems based on a modified semi-automatic Colt Navy revolver action. - In the mid 1980's Thomas Allen Graves experiments with positive displacement trigger reset system designs for RUGER 10/22 carbine applications. - In the Early 2000's Thomas Allen Graves experiments with positive displacement trigger reset system designs for BERSA THUNDER handgun applications. - In 2014 Thomas Allen Graves invents the World's first fully integrated positive displacement trigger reset technology type firearm. - In 2015 Thomas Allen Graves provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to WOLF TACTICAL LLC. - In 2020 WOLF TACTICAL LLC provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to RARE BREED TRIGGERS LLC. -In 2021 Thomas Allen Graves provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to ALAMO TRIGGERS LLC. Interdasting! Hmmmm... How many plaintiffs are required for a class action lawsuit? |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 5:19:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmmm... How many plaintiffs are required for a class action lawsuit? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why would RBT sue them? According to the link on that very page: History of positive displacement trigger reset technology - In the mid 1970's Thomas Allen Graves invents the genesis of all positive displacement trigger reset systems based on a modified semi-automatic Colt Navy revolver action. - In the mid 1980's Thomas Allen Graves experiments with positive displacement trigger reset system designs for RUGER 10/22 carbine applications. - In the Early 2000's Thomas Allen Graves experiments with positive displacement trigger reset system designs for BERSA THUNDER handgun applications. - In 2014 Thomas Allen Graves invents the World's first fully integrated positive displacement trigger reset technology type firearm. - In 2015 Thomas Allen Graves provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to WOLF TACTICAL LLC. - In 2020 WOLF TACTICAL LLC provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to RARE BREED TRIGGERS LLC. -In 2021 Thomas Allen Graves provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to ALAMO TRIGGERS LLC. Interdasting! Hmmmm... How many plaintiffs are required for a class action lawsuit? 
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Posted: 9/4/2021 10:46:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why would RBT sue them? According to the link on that very page: History of positive displacement trigger reset technology - In the mid 1970's Thomas Allen Graves invents the genesis of all positive displacement trigger reset systems based on a modified semi-automatic Colt Navy revolver action. - In the mid 1980's Thomas Allen Graves experiments with positive displacement trigger reset system designs for RUGER 10/22 carbine applications. - In the Early 2000's Thomas Allen Graves experiments with positive displacement trigger reset system designs for BERSA THUNDER handgun applications. - In 2014 Thomas Allen Graves invents the World's first fully integrated positive displacement trigger reset technology type firearm. - In 2015 Thomas Allen Graves provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to WOLF TACTICAL LLC. - In 2020 WOLF TACTICAL LLC provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to RARE BREED TRIGGERS LLC. -In 2021 Thomas Allen Graves provides positive displacement trigger reset technology to ALAMO TRIGGERS LLC. Interdasting! Hmmmm... How many plaintiffs are required for a class action lawsuit? https://i.imgur.com/LPD2nyp.jpg We need a class action lawsuit against the AFT with every gun owner as a party citing deprivation of civil rights and irreparable harm due to new criminal penalties for previously legal actions. |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 11:43:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could one assume that since Rare Breed folks knew this was coming last spring, that they might have destroyed customer records ahead of this letter? There was no legal requirements to keep names/addresses and since they could anticipate trouble why not be proactive and wipe out any and all re cords before trouble starts? Especially since, according to the reports I've read here, they do not accept returns or apparently offer warranty work. Why would they need to keep such sales records? |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 12:41:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We need a class action lawsuit against the AFT with every gun owner as a party citing deprivation of civil rights and irreparable harm due to new criminal penalties for previously legal actions. They would argue that the commercial distribution and sales of FRT-15 triggers violates 18 U.S.C. § 922(o), therefore they were never legal for us to buy or possess. |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 1:42:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You would probably be better off stating you sold it to some guy at a gun show. This |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 2:13:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They would argue that the commercial distribution and sales of FRT-15 triggers violates 18 U.S.C. § 922(o), therefore they were never legal for us to buy or possess. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We need a class action lawsuit against the AFT with every gun owner as a party citing deprivation of civil rights and irreparable harm due to new criminal penalties for previously legal actions. They would argue that the commercial distribution and sales of FRT-15 triggers violates 18 U.S.C. § 922(o), therefore they were never legal for us to buy or possess. Yes. Yes they sure would. Quoted: Quoted: You would probably be better off stating you sold it to some guy at a gun show. This Lying to a federal agent. What could go wrong? |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 2:17:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lying to a federal agent. What could go wrong? Exactly. You’d be better off responding with, “I do not recall”, because lying is an offense but poor memory isn’t. |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 3:12:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. You’d be better off responding with, “I do not recall”, because lying is an offense but poor memory isn’t. Slick Willie Klinton was good at that. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/1998/09/bill-clinton-and-the-meaning-of-is.html |
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Posted: 9/4/2021 11:04:56 PM EDT
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I may pick up a Wide Open Trigger for comparison ($350).
https://wideopentriggers.com You know, for science  |
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Posted: 9/5/2021 9:21:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I may pick up a Wide Open Trigger for comparison ($350). https://wideopentriggers.com You know, for science "Not made for .300 BLK".... How the hell does that matter??  EDIT: Gas? |
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Posted: 9/5/2021 9:37:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Not made for .300 BLK".... How the hell does that matter?? EDIT: Gas? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I may pick up a Wide Open Trigger for comparison ($350). https://wideopentriggers.com You know, for science "Not made for .300 BLK".... How the hell does that matter?? EDIT: Gas? Have no idea why it would matter. I can confirm the FRT works fine with .300Blackout, but so far its only been tried with supers and suppressed. The upper is reliable with both supers and subs, suppressed and not, but that was before I got the FRT and all I had on hand once I got it was supers. |
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Posted: 9/5/2021 9:37:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I may pick up a Wide Open Trigger for comparison ($350). https://wideopentriggers.com You know, for science Hey - why not? I'll probably get a little more information on it tomorrow and then order one. |
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Posted: 9/5/2021 6:16:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Not made for .300 BLK".... How the hell does that matter?? EDIT: Gas? That would be my guess. 300 subs are very heavy and low pressure. Probably not enough gas to cycle everything hard or fast enough. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 10:21:29 AM EDT
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Just funny from Reddit thread on FRTs being available:
Tricky-Common 36 points 2 hours ago Everyone is all "fuck the atf" till its time to support a company standing up to the atf. Then it's all "they don't have a customer service number" |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 3:29:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would be my guess. 300 subs are very heavy and low pressure. Probably not enough gas to cycle everything hard or fast enough. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "Not made for .300 BLK".... How the hell does that matter?? EDIT: Gas? That would be my guess. 300 subs are very heavy and low pressure. Probably not enough gas to cycle everything hard or fast enough. |
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Posted: 9/6/2021 3:43:22 PM EDT
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Oh, another problem with the "oh they'll just show a video to the judge!" argument.
Show a video of a hand cranked gatling gun.  |
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Posted: 9/7/2021 9:10:35 PM EDT
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Any updates on the litigation?
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Posted: 9/8/2021 9:49:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any updates on the litigation? Not that I've seen. I check TheInfidel.co's blog daily for updates: https://theinfidel.co/blogs/rare-breed-news |
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Posted: 9/10/2021 5:31:57 AM EDT
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Thanks for the link, Digz!
Good job! |
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Posted: 9/11/2021 9:05:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/12/2021 11:53:46 AM EDT
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Quote History Lawrence Demonico of Rare Breed Triggers responds to their patent infringement. Summary: If there is any patent infringement then Rare Breed intends to pursue legal action as appropriate. There may or may not be any infringement due to the way the WOT functions versus the FRT function. I haven't yet examined both in person as I'm waiting for the WOT to arrive but it sure does look like a carbon copy of the FRT. |
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Posted: 9/12/2021 7:46:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61LokaepQa0Summary: If there is any patent infringement then Rare Breed intends to pursue legal action as appropriate. There may or may not be any infringement due to the way the WOT functions versus the FRT function. I haven't yet examined both in person as I'm waiting for the WOT to arrive but it sure does look like a carbon copy of the FRT. @jaqufrost So much for keeping their eye on the ball. 
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Posted: 9/12/2021 8:30:35 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @jaqufrost So much for keeping their eye on the ball. It does seem to be a distraction from the ATF suit, but I would think you would hire a different set of lawyers for the patent infringement issues. |
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Posted: 9/12/2021 9:30:15 PM EDT
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I know it's not the right thread for it, but I can't seem to find the 30 plus page get thread I was subscribed to. I finally got mine running top notch today, with an H3 buffer. Smiles on my 9, 7 and 6 year olds faces, as each pulled the trigger, as well as my wife's. Only hickups were 4 old rounds of Lake City that FTF, even on the second time through the gun. Other than that, everything else, including wolf, shot fine, burned up a d60 full, too.
Anyway, give em hell Rare breed, your fight is appreciated |
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Posted: 9/12/2021 10:12:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know it's not the right thread for it, but I can't seem to find the 30 plus page get thread I was subscribed to. I finally got mine running top notch today, with an H3 buffer. Smiles on my 9, 7 and 6 year olds faces, as each pulled the trigger, as well as my wife's. Only hickups were 4 old rounds of Lake City that FTF, even on the second time through the gun. Other than that, everything else, including wolf, shot fine, burned up a d60 full, too. Anyway, give em hell Rare breed, your fight is appreciated |
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Posted: 9/12/2021 10:44:41 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Here's the other thread https://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/759561_Rare-Breed-Triggers-FRT-Convince-me-to-not-buy-one-.html Thanks, i had previously been subscribed to it, not sure how I dropped it, thanks! |
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Posted: 9/12/2021 10:59:15 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not at all happy about this. But I knew it was coming and I AM happy I didn't buy one. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 12:09:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not at all happy about this. But I knew it was coming and I AM happy I didn't buy one. I enjoyed mine for the past month or so but a guy at the range on Sat offered me $500 & I had it out of the lower before he got back from the ATM.  I might get another one just to have but I shot a bunch of FA stuff in the Army and just realized that I’d already scratched that itch.Rare Breed will win this case if it ever goes to court. |
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Posted: 9/13/2021 12:12:16 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not at all happy about this. But I knew it was coming and I AM happy I didn't buy one. I did buy one Don't be a bitch Buy one |
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Posted: 9/16/2021 6:05:57 PM EDT
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Next court date is Oct 4. Nothing really happened today. Yesterday a lawsuit was brought against Big Daddy.
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Posted: 9/16/2021 9:51:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Next court date is Oct 4. Nothing really happened today. Yesterday a lawsuit was brought against Big Daddy. So long as the ATF trying to only have their side of the story allowed in the court is "nothing". |
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Posted: 9/16/2021 9:55:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2021 4:43:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat video pulled at my strings. RB is putting an assumed large amount of money and time into the fight AGAINST the AFT, which is understandable considering their revenue source. Heck, they could be spending a majority of profits for this. I understand that the fight is not for us as consumers...they know the patent is worth gobs of money. Here comes other companies that try to step in and take a portion of the market. BDU releases a product that is a near exact copy, although less robust and finished, in an attempt to rip them off. They obviously had help from those inside the AR15 community, taking advice given here in our threads...as we know, because they set up shill accounts and even replied in threads. So RB is now forced to divide the front in an attempt to keep a fight up against the big man, and then another suit to keep an obviously shitty company from stealing their profits. I cancelled my BDU membership. I know that plenty on here have as well. Hopefully this scares other shilly companies from taking money away from the fight against the AFT. |
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Posted: 9/17/2021 4:48:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That video pulled at my strings. RB is putting an assumed large amount of money and time into the fight AGAINST the AFT, which is understandable considering their revenue source. Heck, they could be spending a majority of profits for this. I understand that the fight is not for us as consumers...they know the patent is worth gobs of money. Here comes other companies that try to step in and take a portion of the market. BDU releases a product that is a near exact copy, although less robust and finished, in an attempt to rip them off. They obviously had help from those inside the AR15 community, taking advice given here in our threads...as we know, because they set up shill accounts and even replied in threads. So RB is now forced to divide the front in an attempt to keep a fight up against the big man, and then another suit to keep an obviously shitty company from stealing their profits. I cancelled my BDU membership. I know that plenty on here have as well. Hopefully this scares other shilly companies from taking money away from the fight against the AFT. The patent is only worth gobs of money if they prevail. Should they lose, it offers no benefit over triggers that are already considered machine guns, and as such would be pretty much worthless. It's in all of our interests that they win. |
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Posted: 9/17/2021 5:28:01 PM EDT
[#39]
It was either this post or more likely a FB post that said RB only has $1,000 for their legal defense and are asking for donations.
Can anyone verify this? |
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Posted: 9/17/2021 6:38:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It was either this post or more likely a FB post that said RB only has $1,000 for their legal defense and are asking for donations. Can anyone verify this? That makes no sense. At almost $400 for each trigger and significantly less production cost, they should be in the tens of not hundreds of thousands. |
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Posted: 9/17/2021 8:10:30 PM EDT
[#41]
I agree, just what I read somewhere.
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Posted: 9/17/2021 8:20:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have no idea why it would matter. I can confirm the FRT works fine with .300Blackout, but so far its only been tried with supers and suppressed. The upper is reliable with both supers and subs, suppressed and not, but that was before I got the FRT and all I had on hand once I got it was supers. FWIW, mine will cycle supers fine, but chokes on subs like the Atlanta Falcons against the Patriots with money on the line. I'm thinking about getting another one to drop in my 5.56 SBR just for shit's and giggles. It really tickles me that RBF is the ONLY manufacturer that seems to have the balls to stand up to the AFT. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 8:23:27 AM EDT
[#43]
my regular trigger wont cycle subs and supers with the same buffer. h2/3 for super, carbine for subs
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Posted: 9/19/2021 8:29:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, just what I read somewhere. Sounds like disinformation for the purpose of demoralization to me. |
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Posted: 9/19/2021 8:52:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FWIW, mine will cycle supers fine, but chokes on subs like the Atlanta Falcons against the Patriots with money on the line. I'm thinking about getting another one to drop in my 5.56 SBR just for shit's and giggles. It really tickles me that RBF is the ONLY manufacturer that seems to have the balls to stand up to the AFT. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Have no idea why it would matter. I can confirm the FRT works fine with .300Blackout, but so far its only been tried with supers and suppressed. The upper is reliable with both supers and subs, suppressed and not, but that was before I got the FRT and all I had on hand once I got it was supers. FWIW, mine will cycle supers fine, but chokes on subs like the Atlanta Falcons against the Patriots with money on the line. I'm thinking about getting another one to drop in my 5.56 SBR just for shit's and giggles. It really tickles me that RBF is the ONLY manufacturer that seems to have the balls to stand up to the AFT. I'm pretty confident mine should work with the FRT and subs, but can't say for sure since I haven't had the chance to try it. Upper is an 8.5" PSA that is very over gassed. First time I tried it out, I had subs and supers. With both it was ejecting like it was an AK. Cases ejected about 3 O'clock and went almost 30 feet lol. Switched to an H3 buffer. Better but still a bit much. Put in a Bootleg adjustable carrier. That worked well. On the suppressed setting it still works with subs and supers suppressed or not, so I'm pretty confident I could find a setting on the Bootleg that would work with the FRT and subs once I can find subs again. |
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Posted: 9/20/2021 8:08:44 AM EDT
[#46]
 Failed To Load Title Too bad the pics are missing from the build thread. Was the same thread posted here? |
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Posted: 9/21/2021 6:52:07 AM EDT
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Too bad the pics are missing from the build thread. EXACTLY!!!! Perhaps some enterprising soul with much foresight, saved them and can share? |
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Posted: 9/21/2021 10:09:52 AM EDT
[#48]
The cover of Bon Jovi's It's My Life made me LOL.
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Posted: 9/21/2021 6:04:52 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote Historyyeah this seems like pretty bad news (not being allowed to call expert witnesses).. we shall see. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:32:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah this seems like pretty bad news (not being allowed to call expert witnesses).. we shall see. Quote HistoryQuoted: yeah this seems like pretty bad news (not being allowed to call expert witnesses).. we shall see. That hasn’t been decided yet. The ATF wants that, but the judge has to decide that on the 4th. Hopefully the judge doesn’t enable his court to become a kangaroo court. |
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