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Nope, the fiero and MR2 were not ahead of their time, they weren't even very good mid engine cars.
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Rickenbackers - Not that far ahead of their time. Had 4 wheel brakes. The big boys advertised about how dangerous 4 wheel braking was. Rickenbacker went down the tubes. The big boys all introduced 4 wheel braking.
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AMC Eagle. Now everything is a cross-over. View Quote |
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1963 Chrysler Turbine: Ultimate Edition - Jay Leno's Garage |
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AMC Eagle. Now everything is a cross-over. View Quote |
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https://blog.consumerguide.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/12/Screen-shot-2014-12-01-at-10.58.10-AM.png How about the SVO Mustang? A blown 4 banger as your top performance pony car(I guess Fords top performance car period?)... they put some effort into the package... 4 wheel disks, Konis, solid suspension bushings, 5 speed, 16 inch alloys with Goodyear's best rubber... that's a pretty good setup for 1984, and I think alotta those features were probably firsts for the Mustang.. View Quote |
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The Tornado was not a failure. It was in production from 65 to 92, a 26 year run. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
The Tornado was not a failure. It was in production from 65 to 92, a 26 year run. The front wheel drive TORONADO lasted only 4 years. 1966-1970. |
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Turbine_Car
Not really a failure considering the production numbers, but beyond it's time. |
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no one wanted this thing.. now everything is a slightly less ugly version of it. https://images.autotrader.com/scaler/620/420/cms/content/articles/oversteer/2017/03-mar/03-27/263414.jpg View Quote |
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Quoted: Wrong. The front wheel drive TORONADO lasted only 4 years. 1966-1970. View Quote Olds Toronado |
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The Tucker http://www.tuckerclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/tucker-1003.jpg A company so far ahead of its time that the big three colluded to crush the brand. View Quote |
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Don't know about ahead of its time but it was underrated. A pretty bad ass little 4 cylinder car back in 83
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Lets have a thread about cars/trucks that failed because they were too far ahead of their time. I'll start. 2002 Lincoln Blackwood. A luxury truck at a time when pickups were still just work vehicles. A "luxury" truck at the turn of the century meant you got a CD player and power windows. The Lincoln however had a plush leather interior and all the bells and whistles you could want. And it failed, only selling for one year. At a price of $50K (about $70k in today's dollars) it just didn't make sense. Now 16 years later, all of the big three make luxury trims of their trucks with MSRPs that are pushing $70k+. http://playswithcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/blackwood2.jpg View Quote |
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3000GT VR4. Twin turbo, all wheel steering, and a ton if technology that the world wasn't ready for yet.
They are still super cool cars. You sure don't see many of them though. |
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The GMC Sierra C3 debuted in 2001 and was renamed the Sierra Denali in 2002. The Cadillac Escalade EXT (Avalance clone) also came out in 2002. The Ford F-150 King Ranch was released in 2001. So, luxury trucks existed at the same time as the Blackwood. The Blackwood may have failed because it was RWD only, available only in black-on-black color configuration, and had a carpeted bed. Perhaps luxury truck people still wanted to use a pickup truck like a pickup and not get the bed filthy when they went to pick up flowers at the nursery, tossed a saddle in the back, or hauled a deer carcass out of the woods. The Blackwood failed because its competitors were better. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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2002 Lincoln Blackwood. A luxury truck at a time when pickups were still just work vehicles. A "luxury" truck at the turn of the century meant you got a CD player and power windows. The Lincoln however had a plush leather interior and all the bells and whistles you could want. And it failed, only selling for one year. At a price of $50K (about $70k in today's dollars) it just didn't make sense. Now 16 years later, all of the big three make luxury trims of their trucks with MSRPs that are pushing $70k+. The Cadillac Escalade EXT (Avalance clone) also came out in 2002. The Ford F-150 King Ranch was released in 2001. So, luxury trucks existed at the same time as the Blackwood. The Blackwood may have failed because it was RWD only, available only in black-on-black color configuration, and had a carpeted bed. Perhaps luxury truck people still wanted to use a pickup truck like a pickup and not get the bed filthy when they went to pick up flowers at the nursery, tossed a saddle in the back, or hauled a deer carcass out of the woods. The Blackwood failed because its competitors were better. I never knew that. |
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Lets have a thread about cars/trucks that failed because they were too far ahead of their time. I'll start. 2002 Lincoln Blackwood. A luxury truck at a time when pickups were still just work vehicles. A "luxury" truck at the turn of the century meant you got a CD player and power windows. The Lincoln however had a plush leather interior and all the bells and whistles you could want. And it failed, only selling for one year. At a price of $50K (about $70k in today's dollars) it just didn't make sense. Now 16 years later, all of the big three make luxury trims of their trucks with MSRPs that are pushing $70k+. http://playswithcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/blackwood2.jpg View Quote |
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My high school GF’s mom had one, GT model. Snappy and nimble, fun car to drive View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
My high school GF’s mom had one, GT model. Snappy and nimble, fun car to drive That little rig was fun as hell, but it was prone to pretty serious oversteer if you didn't respect the extra power. Imagine a 911 on a really wet road |
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Anything manufactured Chevrolet View Quote You take a wide body and car. Mark it aerodynamic and give a large multi turbo engine into it. The. Add 2k lbs of luxury crap to it and there you go. |
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For my addition I would say cars from the 20th century that had their transmission mounted in the rear while the engine was up front. Only now sports cars are starting to have that as commonplace. View Quote engine was 1/2 of a 389 V8. |
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The Tucker really does capture the imagination. I always wonder what impact it would have had on car design and what else they would have came up with had they been successful.
The passenger "hide in case of impending crash" hole seems a bit half assed though. |
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Lets have a thread about cars/trucks that failed because they were too far ahead of their time. I'll start. 2002 Lincoln Blackwood. A luxury truck at a time when pickups were still just work vehicles. A "luxury" truck at the turn of the century meant you got a CD player and power windows. The Lincoln however had a plush leather interior and all the bells and whistles you could want. And it failed, only selling for one year. At a price of $50K (about $70k in today's dollars) it just didn't make sense. Now 16 years later, all of the big three make luxury trims of their trucks with MSRPs that are pushing $70k+. http://playswithcars.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/blackwood2.jpg View Quote |
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For my addition I would say cars from the 20th century that had their transmission mounted in the rear while the engine was up front. Only now sports cars are starting to have that as commonplace. View Quote |
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Corvair - Basically, a pretty advanced concept (rear engine) for an American car, but the transmission (powerglide/3 spd manual) and drive train were still too far in the past. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/920/Unknown-638544.JPG View Quote |
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Minneapolis-Moline's UDLX Comfortractor. Don’t know if ahead of its time but definitely unique. |
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The Tucker http://www.tuckerclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/tucker-1003.jpg A company so far ahead of its time that the big three colluded to crush the brand. View Quote I still occasionally eat dinner across the street from the museum. Now, when I opened the thread, I was thinking differently. I was pondering ideas that were too early for implementation like the 4-6-8 V8 in 1980-1982 Cadillacs or the 350 Olds diesel. |
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https://blog.consumerguide.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/12/Screen-shot-2014-12-01-at-10.58.10-AM.png How about the SVO Mustang? A blown 4 banger as your top performance pony car(I guess Fords top performance car period?)... they put some effort into the package... 4 wheel disks, Konis, solid suspension bushings, 5 speed, 16 inch alloys with Goodyear's best rubber... that's a pretty good setup for 1984, and I think alotta those features were probably firsts for the Mustang.. View Quote |
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3000GT VR4. Twin turbo, all wheel steering, and a ton if technology that the world wasn't ready for yet. They are still super cool cars. You sure don't see many of them though. View Quote |
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Being an Ypsilanti native, I’m all too aware of how badly the Tucker got screwed. I still occasionally eat dinner across the street from the museum. Now, when I opened the thread, I was thinking differently. I was pondering ideas that were too early for implementation like the 4-6-8 V8 in 1980-1982 Cadillacs or the 350 Olds diesel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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The Tucker http://www.tuckerclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/tucker-1003.jpg A company so far ahead of its time that the big three colluded to crush the brand. I still occasionally eat dinner across the street from the museum. Now, when I opened the thread, I was thinking differently. I was pondering ideas that were too early for implementation like the 4-6-8 V8 in 1980-1982 Cadillacs or the 350 Olds diesel. Worst idea ever! |
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I have a hard time saying he Veyron is ahead of its time. To my knowledge there is nothing new in them. You take a wide body and car. Mark it aerodynamic and give a large multi turbo engine into it. The. Add 2k lbs of luxury crap to it and there you go. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Anything manufactured Chevrolet You take a wide body and car. Mark it aerodynamic and give a large multi turbo engine into it. The. Add 2k lbs of luxury crap to it and there you go. |
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no one wanted this thing.. now everything is a slightly less ugly version of it. https://images.autotrader.com/scaler/620/420/cms/content/articles/oversteer/2017/03-mar/03-27/263414.jpg View Quote |
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Turbine_Car https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Chrysler_027.jpg Not really a failure considering the production numbers, but beyond it's time. View Quote |
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The documentary "Who Killed The Electric Car?" is an entertaining watch if you're a car-industry geek. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Chevrolet EV1. Battery technology wasn't there yet. Among other things. https://insideevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/gm-ev1.jpg The funniest part was when the mechanics were showing how their hands were clear working on the car because it didn't have an engine. |
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Merkur XR4Ti (1985-1989) https://s16-us2.startpage.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http:%2F%2Fmomentcar.com%2Fimages%2Fmerkur-xr4ti-1989-5.jpg&sp=caa238c9659c338df28c4cdd9453506f View Quote |
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no one wanted this thing.. now everything is a slightly less ugly version of it. https://images.autotrader.com/scaler/620/420/cms/content/articles/oversteer/2017/03-mar/03-27/263414.jpg View Quote |
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http://web.physics.ucsb.edu/~airboy/twomets.jpg NASH METROPOLITAN The Smart car of the 1950's View Quote Was my mother's first car Attached File |
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