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Posted: 9/27/2020 6:20:45 AM EDT
Chevrolet has issued a stop sale for the C8 Corvette over a brake by wire issue.
https://driving.ca/chevrolet/auto-news/news/chevrolet-issues-stop-sale-for-corvette-c8-over-braking-issue |
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A stop sale for a brake issue? Irony, thy name is GM.
ETA, if you are not plating critical connections or contacts with gold or another corrosion resistant material in an area where corrosion is a factor, you're just a cheap asshole in a monkey suit bean counter or a lousy engineer. |
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I'm really impressed with the C8. Looks like supplier QC on electrical connections.
Gotta love editorial proof reading though: "The C8 has been recently recalled for several issues, including a malfunctioning frunk latch, as well as for an emergency system that could fail to stop people from getting stuck in said frunk. While this brake issue isn’t being called a “recall,” owners will need to take the vehicle into a dealership to fix their Corvette if it’s broken." |
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The Corvette’s brakes are connected to the pedal by nothing but wires, so if those wires don’t have perfect electric contact, they can malfunction. Luckily it seems like this issue doesn’t affect the entire braking system, just the booster, so if it does start to malfunction, drivers can still stop the car, though “extra pedal force will be required to slow and stop the vehicle, increasing the risk of a crash,” according to the bulletin. View Quote Huh. I wonder how the brake system works. If the pedal isn’t connected to anything mechanical, how could a booster failure cause increased pedal effort? |
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Quoted: I'm really impressed with the C8. Looks like supplier QC on electrical connections. Gotta love editorial proof reading though: "The C8 has been recently recalled for several issues, including a malfunctioning frunk latch, as well as for an emergency system that could fail to stop people from getting stuck in said frunk. While this brake issue isn’t being called a “recall,” owners will need to take the vehicle into a dealership to fix their Corvette if it’s broken." View Quote Nothing quite as entertaining as working in the Service Department of a dealership where inexperienced, middle-aged drivers are bringing in their sports cars for not being able to stop correctly. |
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GM makes very little of their own parts. Also the most important thing when ordering parts from vendors is price so you get a lot of low quality terminals that create electrical systems that don’t work 100% of the time. Also as the vehicle ages even 2-3 years problems really arise.
The brake pedal on the C8 is not mechanical connected to the booster/master cylinder in any way, instead a sensor sends the pedal position to the EBCM and it decides how much pressure to apply. |
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Quoted: I'm really impressed with the C8. Looks like supplier QC on electrical connections. Gotta love editorial proof reading though: "The C8 has been recently recalled for several issues, including a malfunctioning frunk latch, as well as for an emergency system that could fail to stop people from getting stuck in said frunk. While this brake issue isn’t being called a “recall,” owners will need to take the vehicle into a dealership to fix their Corvette if it’s broken." View Quote ummm... that's what they call the front trunk area. |
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China wires, China Connections, China bullshit processor controlling everything.
Millions sunk into engineering, down the shitter. GM is it's own biggest competitor, and the obvious is lost in board room. |
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Quoted: GM makes very little of their own parts. Also the most important thing when ordering parts from vendors is price so you get a lot of low quality terminals that create electrical systems that don’t work 100% of the time. Also as the vehicle ages even 2-3 years problems really arise. View Quote But we bailed them out....and saved JOBS! Granted they were Chinese Jobs, but Obongo SAVED JOBS!!!!!! |
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No suprised ! GM hasnt made anything worth a damn in a very long time.
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WTF kind of braking system doesn't do a self check on startup and fail safe?
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Quoted: Huh. I wonder how the brake system works. If the pedal isn’t connected to anything mechanical, how could a booster failure cause increased pedal effort? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: The Corvette’s brakes are connected to the pedal by nothing but wires, so if those wires don’t have perfect electric contact, they can malfunction. Luckily it seems like this issue doesn’t affect the entire braking system, just the booster, so if it does start to malfunction, drivers can still stop the car, though “extra pedal force will be required to slow and stop the vehicle, increasing the risk of a crash,” according to the bulletin. Huh. I wonder how the brake system works. If the pedal isn’t connected to anything mechanical, how could a booster failure cause increased pedal effort? Because it doesn't activate the booster pump. Most brake boosters work off engine vacuum, this one doesn't. These have been around for decades frankly, most diesel non air brake systems use something similar. Diesels are very poor at making usable vacuum for brake systems. |
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There were only around 30 C8 VINs listed as being affected by this and all were very early builds. They're still shipping and selling.
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Quoted: But we bailed them out....and saved JOBS! Granted they were Chinese Jobs, but Obongo SAVED JOBS!!!!!! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: GM makes very little of their own parts. Also the most important thing when ordering parts from vendors is price so you get a lot of low quality terminals that create electrical systems that don’t work 100% of the time. Also as the vehicle ages even 2-3 years problems really arise. But we bailed them out....and saved JOBS! Granted they were Chinese Jobs, but Obongo SAVED JOBS!!!!!! Sorry you are wrong, what the NObama bailout did was bail out the UAW that required GM to pay for pensions rather than create a pension fund and pay in as you go. When GM went bankrupt they could have walked away from their pension payments, yet The bailout required they continue payments instead of the U.S. government cover the pension payment at approximately 40 cents on the dollar. Now this was not only for UAW GM employees, but all GM employees including all of management. Until very recently GM covered the entire medical payment of GM management when they retired instead of going on Medicare. The entire GM pension system was designed to fail right from the start in the 1930’s. GM is in such a bind right now that all the GM engineering, IT, mid level management, and support staff have taken a 20% cut in pay, under the idea of a ‘loan to the company’ |
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Drive my wire makes sense. If it fails you just wont go. Stop by wire on the other hand...............great thinking GM.
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Quoted: Drive my wire makes sense. If it fails you just wont go. Stop by wire on the other hand...............great thinking GM. View Quote Well, it's hard to make fluid filled brake lines that don't rust. GM has an issue in that area. Of course they could talk to, I don't know, ANYONE ELSE in the auto industry to fix that problem. |
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Quoted: Drive my wire makes sense. If it fails you just wont go. Stop by wire on the other hand...............great thinking GM. View Quote Only the booster is electronically controlled -- you will still have manual brakes in the event that it fails. They will be stiffer than an old car with manual brakes because the system has less mechanical advantage built in, but they'll stick work. |
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Quoted: Sorry you are wrong, what the NObama bailout did was bail out the UAW that required GM to pay for pensions rather than create a pension fund and pay in as you go. When GM went bankrupt they could have walked away from their pension payments, yet The bailout required they continue payments instead of the U.S. government cover the pension payment at approximately 40 cents on the dollar. Now this was not only for UAW GM employees, but all GM employees including all of management. Until very recently GM covered the entire medical payment of GM management when they retired instead of going on Medicare. The entire GM pension system was designed to fail right from the start in the 1930’s. GM is in such a bind right now that all the GM engineering, IT, mid level management, and support staff have taken a 20% cut in pay, under the idea of a ‘loan to the company’ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: GM makes very little of their own parts. Also the most important thing when ordering parts from vendors is price so you get a lot of low quality terminals that create electrical systems that don’t work 100% of the time. Also as the vehicle ages even 2-3 years problems really arise. But we bailed them out....and saved JOBS! Granted they were Chinese Jobs, but Obongo SAVED JOBS!!!!!! Sorry you are wrong, what the NObama bailout did was bail out the UAW that required GM to pay for pensions rather than create a pension fund and pay in as you go. When GM went bankrupt they could have walked away from their pension payments, yet The bailout required they continue payments instead of the U.S. government cover the pension payment at approximately 40 cents on the dollar. Now this was not only for UAW GM employees, but all GM employees including all of management. Until very recently GM covered the entire medical payment of GM management when they retired instead of going on Medicare. The entire GM pension system was designed to fail right from the start in the 1930’s. GM is in such a bind right now that all the GM engineering, IT, mid level management, and support staff have taken a 20% cut in pay, under the idea of a ‘loan to the company’ I heard that some sarcasm meters are being recalled as well. |
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But we were all assured by GD the the C8 corvette was as good as the exotics
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Quoted: Huh. I wonder how the brake system works. If the pedal isn’t connected to anything mechanical, how could a booster failure cause increased pedal effort? View Quote If this article is actually pointing at GM’s tech/brake system vendor, only the booster is fully electronically controlled: https://www.autoweek.com/news/technology/a1824441/electric-brakes-are-coming-to-your-car/ But maybe driving.ca is right and both the master cyl and booster are connected strictly by wire. |
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Quoted: China wires, China Connections, China bullshit processor controlling everything. Millions sunk into engineering, down the shitter. GM is it's own biggest competitor, and the obvious is lost in board room. View Quote "Its got a chinese engine, chinese brakes, chinese wiring and chinese tires. We have half a tank of chinese gas, its night in china, we're wearing chinese sunglasses and we have 12 hours to make it to Hong Kong." "The cigarette lighter says 'Geely', get it fixed" dialog from '???? 2020 (Blues Brothers 2020!)' still be better than BB2000 |
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Quoted: I heard that some sarcasm meters are being recalled as well. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: GM makes very little of their own parts. Also the most important thing when ordering parts from vendors is price so you get a lot of low quality terminals that create electrical systems that don’t work 100% of the time. Also as the vehicle ages even 2-3 years problems really arise. But we bailed them out....and saved JOBS! Granted they were Chinese Jobs, but Obongo SAVED JOBS!!!!!! Sorry you are wrong, what the NObama bailout did was bail out the UAW that required GM to pay for pensions rather than create a pension fund and pay in as you go. When GM went bankrupt they could have walked away from their pension payments, yet The bailout required they continue payments instead of the U.S. government cover the pension payment at approximately 40 cents on the dollar. Now this was not only for UAW GM employees, but all GM employees including all of management. Until very recently GM covered the entire medical payment of GM management when they retired instead of going on Medicare. The entire GM pension system was designed to fail right from the start in the 1930’s. GM is in such a bind right now that all the GM engineering, IT, mid level management, and support staff have taken a 20% cut in pay, under the idea of a ‘loan to the company’ I heard that some sarcasm meters are being recalled as well. Nope, just giving you all the facts, can't be stupid in your mom's basement your entire lives. |
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Quoted: Because it doesn't activate the booster pump. Most brake boosters work off engine vacuum, this one doesn't. These have been around for decades frankly, most diesel non air brake systems use something similar. Diesels are very poor at making usable vacuum for brake systems. View Quote Hydro-Boost. How does it work? Also, see "Vacuum pumps". |
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Normal.
First year new platform with wiring issues is common no matter the brand. Anyone who has worked at a new car dealership service department will tell you " New Platform, first year will have issues." if you can wait to buy , then wait. No matter the brand, they all have issues if it's a completely new platform. |
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Quoted: GM makes very little of their own parts. Also the most important thing when ordering parts from vendors is price so you get a lot of low quality terminals that create electrical systems that don’t work 100% of the time. Also as the vehicle ages even 2-3 years problems really arise. The brake pedal on the C8 is not mechanical connected to the booster/master cylinder in any way, instead a sensor sends the pedal position to the EBCM and it decides how much pressure to apply. View Quote The shifter on my wife’s Failblazer is the same. When that solenoid failed we couldn’t drive the truck. Just put a fucking cable there like a normal car company. The future is not “brake by wire” |
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Quoted: Quoted: ummm... that's what they call the front trunk area. Well they are frucking fretarded. It’s a stupid European term. Just imagine it being said in any European accent & it becomes even worse. |
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Issues of this caliper need to be fixed quickly before someone gets killed.
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Having Every Vehicle Recalled Over Lousy Engineering Techniques |
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Quoted: Normal. First year new platform with wiring issues is common no matter the brand. Anyone who has worked at a new car dealership service department will tell you " New Platform, first year will have issues." if you can wait to buy , then wait. No matter the brand, they all have issues if it's a completely new platform. View Quote Always buy the last year of production, NEVER the first year. 2015 Taco>2016 Taco. Nuff said. |
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Quoted: I'm really impressed with the C8. Looks like supplier QC on electrical connections. Gotta love editorial proof reading though: "The C8 has been recently recalled for several issues, including a malfunctioning frunk latch, as well as for an emergency system that could fail to stop people from getting stuck in said frunk. While this brake issue isn’t being called a “recall,” owners will need to take the vehicle into a dealership to fix their Corvette if it’s broken." View Quote Not a typo Frunk --> Front Trunk Edited for spelling |
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No manual transmission and they have the audacity to call it a "sports car".
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So they are going to squirt some electrial contact goo into the connector prior to install now, done.
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