Posted: 2/19/2023 8:44:37 PM EDT
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The Chinese are developing ULR SAMs to keep things like AWACS and tankers far away. This means fighters have less situational awareness and time on target as they have to fly further to tank up and the AWACS is unable to obtain information as far into enemy held territory. They can also be used to engage cargo aircraft that would be trying to keep the USMC outposts supplied. If you can sneak in without getting shot up then ground forces can remain a thorn in the Chinese Navy and Air Force’s side. The PLAAF isn’t going to be chasing down every random aircraft that can be detected, just like how every competent force around the world has a SAM element in its ranks.
My assessment is that these are being developed to move men and weapons around the Pacific faster than a boat and less easily detected than a C-17 at 20,000ft AGL, all without needing a 5,000ft runway to operate.
Your position is…what exactly?
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Where did I say they had a long range SAM to take out planes at 100', and why would they need one? As I said, detection is the issue. If you detect cargo planes inbound at 100', it's a fish in a barrel. A radar on a 100' tower will detect a target flying at 20,000 ft at 214 miles. A radar on a 100' tower will detect a target flying at 100 ft at 18 miles. This is assuming no stealth or jamming. So, yes, if your enemy detects your cargo planes they are done, but detection range is much shorter with low-flying aircraft. And for some reason, I doubt these WIG aircraft will be in the first assault wave on any contested beach. Thanks for the mathematical support. The lack of understanding as to what these are supposed to do is embarrassing. That radar had better be able to track the target in severe ground clutter of the sea. It's useless otherwise. The useful range is much shorter to unusable in a sea state with high waves. Your radar on a 100 foot tower is a juicy target, too, and it's easy to find when it's radiating. Yep, and ground clutter making it harder to maintain a track and get a missile on it seems like an obvious advantage this thing would have over the C17…but that appears lost on some. You don't need SAM's to stop cargo planes... but that appears lost on some. The Chinese are developing ULR SAMs to keep things like AWACS and tankers far away. This means fighters have less situational awareness and time on target as they have to fly further to tank up and the AWACS is unable to obtain information as far into enemy held territory. They can also be used to engage cargo aircraft that would be trying to keep the USMC outposts supplied. If you can sneak in without getting shot up then ground forces can remain a thorn in the Chinese Navy and Air Force’s side. The PLAAF isn’t going to be chasing down every random aircraft that can be detected, just like how every competent force around the world has a SAM element in its ranks. My assessment is that these are being developed to move men and weapons around the Pacific faster than a boat and less easily detected than a C-17 at 20,000ft AGL, all without needing a 5,000ft runway to operate. Your position is…what exactly? My position is that they're wasting time and money for something we don't need, that would come at the expense of other capabilities that are pretty handy to have. ANY PLANE CAN FLY IN GROUND EFFECT. You don't need a superwing that's only going to gain a little on what a C-17 can already get. By all means, build a flying boat version of a C-17. That would be awesome, and it could fly at 100 feet just fine if the need arises. Whether or not to build a sea plane is not what this thread is about. They're building a "Liberty Lifter Seaplane WING-IN-GROUND-EFFECT full-scale demonstrator", which a waste of an ungodly amount of money. Instead, maybe they should work on something useful, like how to make a flying boat that won't rot away in ten years.
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