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Posted: 11/8/2018 9:49:28 AM EST
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They're lucky to carry an old revolver or a beat up semi with a ten round magazine
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Posted: 11/8/2018 9:51:55 AM EST
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The last one I saw had a revolver in a crappy nylon holster with no retention. Looked like a Smith K frame of some sort but I wasn't close enough to really tell.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 9:52:08 AM EST
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Lol no |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 9:53:37 AM EST
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There is no such thing as an exemption for full autos. They could have some pre-86 transferables left over from years ago (which would be worth way to much to be used as daily guard duty guns) or its possible they could have an SOT or Title II manufacturers license. Even then I don't know how the ATF would treat that, as they would have to be actively engaged in selling or transferring guns, or manufacturing them. I believe its against the law to only have an SOT to strictly in order to possess post '86 machine guns. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 9:55:29 AM EST
[#5]
Going with no.
They are rent-a-cops with a pistol guarding paper money |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 9:59:05 AM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: DOE provides their own security. https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/office-secure-transportation I don't think any commercial nuclear facility gets anything with a third-hole, except maybe the 3 TVA power plants. APS here runs Palo Verde nuke plant security. No DOE involvement in that for the security level. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 10:03:36 AM EST
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My experience is in AZ. I was playing storm trooper at a DOE transfer station site for a year. The next company that took the contract was also private. APS here runs Palo Verde nuke plant security. No DOE involvement in that for the security level. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: DOE provides their own security. https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/office-secure-transportation I don't think any commercial nuclear facility gets anything with a third-hole, except maybe the 3 TVA power plants. APS here runs Palo Verde nuke plant security. No DOE involvement in that for the security level. 
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Posted: 11/8/2018 10:04:41 AM EST
[#8]
Armored car people are security guards and not LEOs, so no NFA. Dying for what is in a armored car and low pay is stupid. Just give them the money and let the Feds hunt them down.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 10:05:53 AM EST
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Most of those guys can barely count to 10. God help us if they have FA.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 10:05:55 AM EST
[#10]
Can a 1970s S&W revolver in .38 Special be made to run full-auto?
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Posted: 11/8/2018 10:12:28 AM EST
[#11]
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A little bit off subject, but I just remembered something else. A past employee of mine lived in a semi-rural setting on about 40 acres. Just across the paved county road from his house was a "drive thru Native American smoke shop". Every time a delivery truck delivered a load of cig's, it was early in the a.m. before the smoke shop opened. He said the truck was preceded AND followed by a sedan or SUV, and every time the truck made a delivery the lead vehicle pulled up, at least two guys with AR's got out and walked around the closed up bldg., then the truck pulled in, followed by the tail vehicle, and guys with AR's got out of it. They all stood around while the truck was unloading, then left and escorted the truck. Must be big bucks in stolen/hi-jacked cig's?? I know you don't see this when cig's are delivered to convenience stores, etc., maybe it was because it was a rural area? He did say that it had been broken into once or twice in the middle of the night. It had bars on all the windows. This wasn't in a "bad" area or neighborhood, just sparsely populated, semi-rural, a few miles from vast farmland area. "Liquid Gold." |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 10:14:15 AM EST
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There are a few “Brinks” marked Smith and Wesson’s on a broker of guns site here lately. I have bid on them several times. They were DAO 3rd Gen Smith’s of the 5900 series. I’m a 3 gen freak and bid on any police or special marked models that come up. I used to service their armored cars many many years ago. More than once they left their shotgun in the truck , I’d call and they would come out and get it. I believe it was a Smith and Wesson 3000 shotgun.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 10:14:21 AM EST
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They carry guns to dissuade someone from running up and taking off with loot,not to prevent a Heat heist.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 10:19:27 AM EST
[#14]
Nah man
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Posted: 11/8/2018 10:22:05 AM EST
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Can a 1970s S&W revolver in .38 Special be made to run full-auto?  " />
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Posted: 11/8/2018 10:25:05 AM EST
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No company has any sort of "special privileges" for FA. Any business can get a 07/02 FFL/SOT if they need post-86 MGs, but nuclear security contractors are exempt from NFA (while operating under their DoE contract). All government contractors in general are given special privileges for OCONUS weapons, and State will approve their import/export permits for stuff. Do armored car companies do any of that? Absolutely not, in my experience. As repeated all over this thread, they are generally not "high speed". |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 12:24:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: DOE provides their own security. https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/office-secure-transportation I don't think any commercial nuclear facility gets anything with a third-hole, except maybe the 3 TVA power plants. Some of those used 91s were traded / surpluses to an outfit like Keislers Police supply or another large distributor - and eventually made their way onto the civvie market in the early 1990s. The guns I saw were really beat up by the time they were sold off. All had numbers stenciled in yellow paint on the buttstocks. I do not know if they were training range guns, or if they were used for perimeter patrol or something. Back then, we did not place as high a premium on "pre-ban" guns. I remember thinking the seller was crazy for asking $1200 for beat-to-crap German HK-91s. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 12:28:47 PM EST
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I have a friend from high school that works at one. They have FA. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: DOE provides their own security. https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/office-secure-transportation I don't think any commercial nuclear facility gets anything with a third-hole, except maybe the 3 TVA power plants. 
Allegedly the Canadian facility I worked at had a program where you could ask for your rifle to be set up however you wanted it, but if that were true it didn't look like any of the guards took advantage of the offer 
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Posted: 11/8/2018 12:43:54 PM EST
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Our brinks guy that comes carries an M&P 9mm with the grip attached with a rubber band. Guess he lost the metal retainer stick..so no. He does not have a FA
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Posted: 11/8/2018 12:48:31 PM EST
[#20]
I doubt armored car companies are doing this, but companies who do this sort of work that requires NFA items typically have an SOT, of which their employees are rostered and able to possess the weapon.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 12:50:47 PM EST
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Source: Worked for Garda for a couple years a while ago.
No. They have semi-auto .40s or .357mag revolvers and maybe a 12ga. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 12:52:47 PM EST
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One of the people that comes to one of my buildings regularly was asking about a job, claimed they only make $11.50hr. Insane. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 12:55:08 PM EST
[#23]
The Garda guys I deal with carry 92’s or sigmas.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 12:55:25 PM EST
[#24]
It's possible some older security companies have some grandfathered full autos in their possession, but I doubt they'd turn the $12/hr help loose with one.
Blackwater was caught with some in inventory which they claimed they were "just holding for a friend..." Ford MoCo way back pre NFA had some Thompsons. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Hunger_March "Dearborn police and Ford security men opened fire with machine guns on the retreating marchers" |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 12:59:05 PM EST
[#25]
My sister was a head person at Brinks Canada. They use to have all .38s. Then they transitioned to SWs i beleive. Some shotguns at the main armoury but thats about it.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:01:44 PM EST
[#26]
Out here, they don't usually even carry semi-autos. Revolvers are what I most commonly see.
As for the original question, if for some reason they wanted to issue employees with full-auto firearms, they could absolutely get them... at worst, with a 07/02. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:11:15 PM EST
[#27]
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A little bit off subject, but I just remembered something else. A past employee of mine lived in a semi-rural setting on about 40 acres. Just across the paved county road from his house was a "drive thru Native American smoke shop". Every time a delivery truck delivered a load of cig's, it was early in the a.m. before the smoke shop opened. He said the truck was preceded AND followed by a sedan or SUV, and every time the truck made a delivery the lead vehicle pulled up, at least two guys with AR's got out and walked around the closed up bldg., then the truck pulled in, followed by the tail vehicle, and guys with AR's got out of it. They all stood around while the truck was unloading, then left and escorted the truck. Must be big bucks in stolen/hi-jacked cig's?? I know you don't see this when cig's are delivered to convenience stores, etc., maybe it was because it was a rural area? He did say that it had been broken into once or twice in the middle of the night. It had bars on all the windows. This wasn't in a "bad" area or neighborhood, just sparsely populated, semi-rural, a few miles from vast farmland area. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:12:32 PM EST
[#28]
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And if so, how? Does the company have some sort of exemption or workaround to get new ones (07/02?) or are they limited to pre-86 ones like everyone else? I used to work with a guy that had worked for an armored truck company 20+ years ago and he said he was given a stipend to buy a sidearm from an approved list, but he said they did have FA guns "in the armory". He was a bit of a story teller though so I'm wondering how realistic that claim is. I have a client who worked for one of them (Brinks maybe) locally. They carried S&W Sigma .40s with 10 round NY mags. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:14:44 PM EST
[#29]
The Brinks guys I see are still rocking wheel guns.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:17:37 PM EST
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A late friend of mine who worked for Rochester as an armored car guard, carried a Ruger P95 9mm. He had to "qualify" once a year with it. What a shit show of barely functional mutants One left his XD in a Kwik Shop bathroom a few months back . |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:20:45 PM EST
[#31]
You can't use deadly force to defend property. All that money is insured. Liability is a bitch. No way they would allow full auto.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:24:50 PM EST
[#32]
They probably cringe at giving them a revolver, lol at full auto. I interviewed once a long time ago and they offered minimum wage. They prey on younger guys that want to be cops
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:25:02 PM EST
[#33]
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One of the people that comes to one of my buildings regularly was asking about a job, claimed they only make $11.50hr. Insane. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:25:11 PM EST
[#34]
Total BS
Unless you count the old full auto revolvers they used to use of the grenades (Glocks) some of them carry now. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:30:29 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Fragrance is even higher. A small pallet (the size of three or four milk crates) could be worth more than a hundred grand. "Liquid Gold." |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:31:12 PM EST
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All the ones I've ever seen still carry wheelguns in pos fabric holsters.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:40:36 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-29-2015/mibhEk.gif" target="_blank">https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-29-2015/mibhEk.gif 
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:41:56 PM EST
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At one time in the past you may have seen them with Thompsons and BARs. Today it's just some old fat guy in a wrinkled uniform with a wheel gun who would probably hand you the bag if you asked in the right way.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 1:58:11 PM EST
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You can't use deadly force to defend property. https://www.usacarry.com/lethal-force-defense-property/ |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 3:24:15 PM EST
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But what if they're transporting $1.6 Million in Bearer Bonds belonging to one Roger Van Zant?
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Posted: 11/8/2018 3:37:34 PM EST
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But what if they're transporting $1.6 Million in Bearer Bonds belonging to one Roger Van Zant? |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 3:56:04 PM EST
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DOE provides their own security. https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/office-secure-transportation I don't think any commercial nuclear facility gets anything with a third-hole, except maybe the 3 TVA power plants. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The company might have some "in the armory", but they sure as hell aren't giving FA weapons to guys making $12/hr. A lot of the bigger security firms have to maintain so many odd fucking licenses across all the professional, city, state, and federal agencies in order to get contracts. It's almost nothing for them to be an SOT and get a hold of whatever they want. That's either for show, or for federal dept of energy/nuke contracts. https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/office-secure-transportation I don't think any commercial nuclear facility gets anything with a third-hole, except maybe the 3 TVA power plants. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 3:56:21 PM EST
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The ones I've seen usually carry some POS handgun. I'm guessing sigma is their most common gun. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 3:57:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey slick, see that shit comin' outta their ears? They can't fucking hear you! Cool it! |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 4:01:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hey slick, see that shit comin' outta their ears? They can't fucking hear you! Cool it! |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 4:09:34 PM EST
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The armored car guys are barely now getting on board with semi autos, forget full auto. Not uncommon to see these guys toting wheel guns.
As far as the nuclear power plants, I know first hand that they tote some serious firepower. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 4:12:57 PM EST
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Back in the late 70's I worked for one of the big security guard companies and while the average security guard received very little training (required some training by the state including firearms for commissioned guards), they had a brochure with a picture of guards with level IV plate carriers armed with what looked like AR15 rifles, standing in front of an armored personnel carrier. I asked the director of the local office about the picture and he advised me that was a special contract unit that worked at a nuclear power plant or other high security areas. Unfortunately, our office didn't have any contracts like that. Our office definitely didn't have any long arms and even if they did, they wouldn't issue them out for guards to take home. I spent a lot more time at the shooting range on my own time than the vast majority of the guards working there, because I was interested in firearms and I purchased my own that were much better than anything the company had. They just wouldn't let me use them on the job. I seriously doubt than any armored car company issues any of it's guards automatic weapons. Probably the best they could hope to get issued would be shotguns.
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Posted: 11/8/2018 4:14:13 PM EST
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Can a 1970s S&W revolver in .38 Special be made to run full-auto? 
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Posted: 11/8/2018 4:26:31 PM EST
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You'd be wrong. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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DOE provides their own security. https://www.energy.gov/nnsa/office-secure-transportation I don't think any commercial nuclear facility gets anything with a third-hole, except maybe the 3 TVA power plants. DoE even has fixed M134 miniguns at some of the security checkpoints inside plants. |
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Posted: 11/8/2018 4:27:24 PM EST
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All the ones I’ve seen have wheelguns or cheap autos (S&W sigma, Ruger P series) Usually a beat to shit Ruger or S&W revolver (often a company provided gun - Barney Fife model), or a cheap Ruger P- series or S&W Sigma - the least expense the better... I knew a guy who worked for a large company. Told me he made more working at a McDonalds, but he liked the perks of wearing body armor and carrying a gun without all that "stuff" about becoming a cop... He was a few bottles short of a case if you know what I mean... 
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