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Posted: 5/9/2011 5:42:25 AM EDT
If you took everyone in America and lined them up on a political spectrum, do you think that people on both of the extreme ends are about equally as nuts/paraniod/batshit crazy? Yes/No/FBHO?
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You'll have to define the extreme right for me at least.
Extreme left = communism. Extreme right = Anarchy? Christian Theocracy? |
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Crazy is crazy. The brand of Kool Aid you drink is just semantics.
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Instead of viewing it as a line you should view it as a circle.
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Joseph Stalin<––––––––––––> Adolf Hitler
Extreme Left <––––––––––––> Extreme Right |
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Quoted: Joseph Stalin<––––––––––––>Adolf Hitler Extreme Left Extreme Right You would be wrong. Hitler was a leftist. |
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Joseph Stalin<––––––––––––> Adolf Hitler Extreme Left <––––––––––––> Extreme Right public education |
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yes, extremists from either side are bad What he said. |
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Most of the political circle are either nuts or flakes and should be boxed and sold as breakfast cereal.
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Quoted: Wrong. Facism = extreme right Dude, facism is a system in which the means of production are privately owned, but tightly controlled by The State. It is socialism light, and a stepping stone toward communism (full ownership of everything by The State). You are regurgitating leftists talking points. Nazism was known as the Nationalist Socialist Party. |
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No, the “extreme right” is nowhere near as bad, mainly because it barely exists.
See, reality is what it is, it’s objectively real so to speak. But different people perceive reality differently. All of our perceptions are influenced by what we have been taught, our emotions, and our world view in general. “Extremists” are people who see reality far differently than it actually is. And, in our culture, everyone is constantly bombarded by the left wing version of reality. It’s embedded in virtually every television show, in our educational system, on the news, in our comedians jokes. Unless you isolate yourself completely from the culture you will be exposed. An, even then you will get it second hand from people who haven’t completely isolated themselves from pop culture. This provides a check to right wing extremism. But there is no such check on left wing extremism. A person can go through life and never even hear an opinion expressed that contradicts the left wing world view. |
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Quoted: Joseph Stalin<––––––––––––> Adolf Hitler Extreme Left <––––––––––––> Extreme Right Yeah, Hitler and his State run everything is really what hard right leaning people strive for. Oh. No. That's not it at all. |
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yes, extremists from either side are bad This. Extremists of all variety are bad. However, how you define "left" and "right" is open to some debate. Notice that "socialist" appears in both "the union of Soviet socialist republics" (USSR) and the "national socialists" (nazis). |
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Instead of viewing it as a line you should view it as a circle. Yup, just got done with a social science class in college a while back. The spectrum is best described as a circle, it makes more sense that way. The class really made me think and be objective, the professor commented to me after the course I was one of a few students in the weekly discussions who actually took an objective look at all the issues being discussed. Others she said seemed to keep stating the same things over and over with no facts to back them up. She is a die hard DEM, Lefty what ever you want to call her but she gave me the impression she takes her role as a professor seriously and leaves most politics out of her grading and conduct of the class. I wish more people would be objective thinkers and do there homework to the best of their ability instead of being sheep. |
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My reply is Yes.
The extreme right looks a lot like the extreme left - Both extremes want to maximize control over peoples' lives. |
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That would appear to be the natural order of things.
Nature loves a balance. |
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[div]If you took everyone in America and lined them up on a political spectrum, do you think that people on both of the extreme ends are about equally as nuts/paraniod/batshit crazy? Absolutely. I hate all extremists. The left wants control of my wallet, the right wants control of my life. I will not accede easily to either. I'm a Libertarian. I'm an "extremist" about liberty. |
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My reply is Yes. The extreme right looks a lot like the extreme left - Both extremes want to maximize control over peoples' lives. |
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The thing is, we must first understand the terms which we discuss.
The American model, and the European model. The American model (the model which I subscribe to) looks like this <–––––––––––––––––––––– ––––––––––––––––––––––––––-> More government control Less government control The European model is circuler because they have never once had a system of free enterprise and individual rights. Their choices were either private ownership and heavy control of the state, or the state controls everything. |
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Quoted: What is extreme right? Bingo. Need to understand what we are comparing. |
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My reply is Yes. The extreme right looks a lot like the extreme left - Both extremes want to maximize control over peoples' lives. great way to put it. |
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Crazy is crazy. The brand of Kool Aid you drink is just semantics. This +1 |
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A single axis model (left to right on a line) is a flawed model of politics. A much better model is two axis (left to right and also up to down). It's called the Nolan chart. http://www.insteadofablog.com/images/nolanchart.gif A lot of people here are conservative but highly authoritarian, while I am conservative but highly libertarian. These are very far apart politically and are represented as so on the Nolan chart. eta: I'd probably be somewhere around or just under the second "a" in Libertarian. So "extreme south" is no control? |
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What is extreme right? Birthers and NAZIs (debatable but a given from the POV of our liberal-focused education system) are two .... |
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Far right politics usually involve supremacism — a belief that superiority and inferiority is an innate reality between individuals and groups — and a complete rejection of the concept of social equality as a norm.[2] Far right politics often support segregation; the separation of groups deemed to be superior from groups deemed to be inferior.[3] Far right politics also commonly include authoritarianism, nativism, racism and xenophobia.
from wiki thus the term racist is constantly used against anyone conservative. White folk wants colored folk back in chain...see BHO and his upbringing against colonial UK African politics. BHO is extreme left (he hides it well) and due to his environment growing up, he was taught anything middle to the right, Christian, and white is extreme. He is not American in the sense that he spent his childhood overseas in Muslim schools around people that hate Americans. It all comes down to ideology at the personal level. |
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Quoted: But you could also say that since some "conservatives" are authoritarian, the fact that they want government control, would mean that they would be in the center of a left to right scale. A single axis model (left to right on a line) is a flawed model of politics. A much better model is two axis (left to right and also up to down). It's called the Nolan chart. http://www.insteadofablog.com/images/nolanchart.gif A lot of people here are conservative but highly authoritarian, while I am conservative but highly libertarian. These are very far apart politically and are represented as so on the Nolan chart. eta: I'd probably be somewhere around or just under the second "a" in Libertarian. It would look like this –––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––– socialist progressive liberal conservative constitutional libertarian anarchist |
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You're either nutty as a squirrel turd, or you're not. Anything beyond that is between you and your psychologist.
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The religious fanatics are every bit as loony as the commies on the left.
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Quoted: If you took everyone in America and lined them up on a political spectrum, do you think that people on both of the extreme ends are about equally as nuts/paraniod/batshit crazy? Yes/No/FBHO? No. |
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Joseph Stalin<––––––––––––>Adolf Hitler Extreme Left Extreme Right You would be wrong. Hitler was a leftist. yep. Read "The Road to Serfdom" by F.A. Hayek or "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg. You only need to read those books if you don't remember from school that Hitler was a National Socialist |
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Quoted: Quoted: Joseph Stalin<––––––––––––> Adolf Hitler Extreme Left <––––––––––––> Extreme Right public education |
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Wrong. Facism = extreme right absolutely fucking false |
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How about:
Left............................Right Stalin <–––––––––––––> Bin Laden |
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The religious fanatics are every bit as loony as the commies on the left. True. Both are the enemy of rational decent people and should be treated as such. |
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if you go far enough in either direction you end up in fucktard land.
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What is extreme right? Birthers and NAZIs (debatable but a given from the POV of our liberal-focused education system) are two .... But yet Nazis were not right wing. As with the Nolan chart, Nazis & fascists are certainly not right-wing when it came to market policies. The only fascist I can think of that was actually right wing was Augusto Pinochet. Here's PoliticalCompass' on political leaders using a 4-axis chart: http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/axeswithnames.gif As you can see, Hitler was certainly no right-winger. I can't quite agree with this placement of Hitler on this chart. Listen to his speeches and then make the determination and he will be well left of that line. |
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