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Posted: 3/29/2023 6:52:58 PM EST
[#1]
Just pick up a Toyota Camry instead and spend the rest on ammo.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 6:58:49 PM EST
[#2]
I'm guessing that at ~$200K only a few will experience torque death into a wall or poll or some such and the rest will be squirreled away for some future payday, should hot ICE-mobiles continue to command an audience.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 7:17:54 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 200k apparently 
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Posted: 3/29/2023 7:30:48 PM EST
[#4]
Usually you can tell a fancy car by how they look.
How does this look any different than the buy here pay here ragged out six cylinder? Badges or something? |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 7:31:57 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What the heck is a Demon 170? |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 7:32:31 PM EST
[#6]
LOL. Think about it - a Dodge. You should pay me money.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 7:33:03 PM EST
[#7]
OP is ignorant. The dollar is worthless now.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 7:33:55 PM EST
[#8]
Cool I won't own a Fiat anyway.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 7:36:24 PM EST
[#9]
They price it at that because it will sell at that because somebody who actually does "have money to spend" will buy it
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Posted: 3/29/2023 7:37:27 PM EST
[#10]
Lucky for me I've got the same odds of owning a $100k Dodge as a $200k Dodge.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 7:37:38 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me fix this for you. Buy a 392 Challenger, have the engine and transmission built, put on turbos or Vortech, and assrape the 170 everywhere. 1000hp is easy as hell to make these days. You could easily have 1500hp that is streetable for less than the initial purchase price of a factory 1000hp car. Its done every day. Hell, buy an SMX engine to swap in and make 4500hp and do drag and drive events. You can get one of those for $100k. ^^ This But huge difference between those that can build something themselves (Who I always have respect for, no matter what it is. I dgaf if its a Honda, Dodge or Ford. You build it and get some HP out of it you're cool in my book) and the folks that just drop some cash on the newest High HP car and get butthurt when people don't really care. One of my buddies bought a brand-new Shelby GT 500 and was all upset because I was all "meh" when he showed up with it. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 7:52:56 PM EST
[#12]
I’m with OP, sue me.
The manufacturer said the price is X. The ONLY reason you can’t get one for that is because an artificial middle-man is there. Call it what it is. It’s essentially a $100k bribe to the dealer to be able to buy the car. Where Ford has been actively making efforts to shut this sort of behavior down in their dealerships by restricting allocations for those charging a fortune for lightnings, etc., Dodge is pleased to look the other way. None of this would be an issue if Dodge just set the MSRP at $200k, but they didn’t. If this was most other industries, you’d be protected as a consumer. Watch what would happen if Best Buy decided to charge $1000 more per console when the new PlayStation comes out again and is in insane demand. Or if Rolex ADs charged more for a *new* watch (not a used one). Or any other industry where you have agreements in place to sell at the price. These dealerships are getting away with murder, and the manufacturers are just as bad. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:10:26 PM EST
[#13]
Quoted: That is very arguably not the same thing . . How? Nobody actually needs this car. Quoted: According to the interknots, there are 2415 Dodge dealerships in the US, and they're making 3000 Demons, so it's not a big shock that the ones that can even get them are going to jack up the price. Supply and demand. Quoted: The real crime here isn't the 2x+ MSRP markup. It's the fact that most of these cars will end up stored as collectibles instead of taken to the track and beat on like they deserve. This. I bet most will end up in collections, rarely seen. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:13:44 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Usually you can tell a fancy car by how they look. How does this look any different than the buy here pay here ragged out six cylinder? Badges or something? Well? |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:17:08 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Challenger variant with 1000+ hp. Factory. Why? America. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What the heck is a Demon 170? Challenger variant with 1000+ hp. Factory. Why? America. The last challenger ever. It can beat the current Tesla plaid in a drag race. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:17:08 PM EST
[#16]
Buy a dealership. Earn an allocation. Drive on your demo tag.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:17:56 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m with OP, sue me. The manufacturer said the price is X. The ONLY reason you can’t get one for that is because an artificial middle-man is there. Call it what it is. It’s essentially a $100k bribe to the dealer to be able to buy the car. Where Ford has been actively making efforts to shut this sort of behavior down in their dealerships by restricting allocations for those charging a fortune for lightnings, etc., Dodge is pleased to look the other way. None of this would be an issue if Dodge just set the MSRP at $200k, but they didn’t. If this was most other industries, you’d be protected as a consumer. Watch what would happen if Best Buy decided to charge $1000 more per console when the new PlayStation comes out again and is in insane demand. Or if Rolex ADs charged more for a *new* watch (not a used one). Or any other industry where you have agreements in place to sell at the price. These dealerships are getting away with murder, and the manufacturers are just as bad. I’m not even mad about this particular car. It’s a luxury item. A toy. It’s not a work truck or even a minivan to get the kids to school safely. Nobody needs it. I’ve bought 4 new cars since covid. Two Chevys, a Honda, a Tesla. Didn’t pay a dime over msrp on any of them. Got 8k and 4.5k off the two Silverados. If a dealership is charging over msrp then find a new dealer. I will agree the car market in general has been wrecked especially used. So has just about everything else. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:19:14 PM EST
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:19:48 PM EST
[#19]
GBPSE
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:20:13 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Free market, yo. That hunk of steel and testosterone is worth whatever someone will pay for it. Is it really a free market when you can only buy it from a car dealership because the car dealers lobbied state governments to pass laws making that the only way to buy new cars? Just look at the hoops Tesla had to jump thru to sort of sell their cars in some states. That isn’t anything close to a free market. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:20:23 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought that an electric car held that title? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Arguably the quickest factory production vehicle ever I thought that an electric car held that title? This is better than the Tesla Plaid S. It’s the last challenger. Ever. Literally the last of the American muscle cars. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:20:56 PM EST
[#22]
Dodge has stated it will be the last ICE model. If you have the cash and somewhere to store it, it is a legit investment. No electric car can replace the feeling of having 8 miniature controlled explosions being connected to your right foot, the vibrations and the smell.
Toyota has decided that hydrogen ICEs are the future, so in some strange way Japan might be the holdout before every car company moves to, or is forced to go electric. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:28:20 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dodge has stated it will be the last ICE model. If you have the cash and somewhere to store it, it is a legit investment. No electric car can replace the feeling of having 8 miniature controlled explosions being connected to your right foot, the vibrations and the smell. Toyota has decided that hydrogen ICEs are the future, so in some strange way Japan might be the holdout before every car company moves to, or is forced to go electric. Toyota plans to build a shitload of electrics. This statement comes as several car brands pledged to go full-electric at some point in the future, with Honda, Acura, Cadillac, Jaguar, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, and more saying they’ll do the best they can to become carbon neutral in this century. By contrast, Toyota wants to sell around 5.5 million internal combustion-engined and plug-in hybrid cars per year from 2030, as well as 3.5 million EVs, including 1 million Lexus-branded cars. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:40:20 PM EST
[#24]
Oh God I can already hear the idiots on the front counter asking for parts to upgrade there challengers to squeeze out more power
Already had one dildo ask for a demon hood for his cat and he got all mad about the price before paint and install and as always all sales are final no returm you dont like it or it doesnt fit  Those demons left outside are gonna get fucked with royally on dealer lots |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:42:13 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m with OP, sue me. The manufacturer said the price is X. The ONLY reason you can’t get one for that is because an artificial middle-man is there. . No, there wouldn't be enough supply for how many people would be willing to pay $100K for one. And your Ford example isn't very good since they can't even come close to meeting demand for orders. Hell, I just waited 16 months for my Maverick order. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:42:24 PM EST
[#26]
Yeah that sucks OP, but you have people in here buying Vortex strike eagles because they cannot afford a PST or razor. I don't think you are going to get a lot of sympathy.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 8:50:10 PM EST
[#27]
Either way these cars are bringing that over MSRP premium. In this case the dealer is getting that money. A lot of times if the dealer sells at MSRP the buyer will turn around and flip it then they get the $. I have been on both sides of this in the last 2 years. Most of the people getting mad about over MSRP are people who wish they could be the ones getting paid. I don’t understand why people think they are entitled to get something for a suggested price.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 9:13:37 PM EST
[#28]
100% of the people buying these are doing do thinking they will become super collectible and will likely resell them for profit in the near future.
Why would a business, which exists to make money, sell these for less than they can? Hell if I was a dealer and had one that shit would be going to auction. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 9:33:51 PM EST
[#29]
Price will skyrocket as soon as they start wrapping them around lamp posts.
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Posted: 3/29/2023 9:37:21 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Two things that exist only because they have fooled us into thinking they need to exist: New car dealerships Realtors |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 9:58:11 PM EST
[#31]
For that kind of money pick up a Viper ACR. Much rarer car, less downside risk. Scary as hell to drive and crazy attention getter.
I will say that we are headed into really strange territory for automobiles. Time to stack them deep. I sold off a few with all the demand for top dollar, but I’m looking to stock back up. Manufacturers can’t produce new stuff, nobody wants it, few can afford it all the while they are discontinuing what people can afford and want. Add on the BS dealerships have committed over the last three years and I don’t think the future is very bright for the industry. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 10:07:08 PM EST
[#32]
Oh how I love GD StEaLeRsHiP threads... quickly outs all the resident communists and liberals that hate capitalism and the free market
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Posted: 3/29/2023 10:07:37 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is very arguably not the same thing . . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How many people complaining about the dealership in this thread.......sold a house for alot more than they paid for it ?? . That is very arguably not the same thing . . 
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Posted: 3/29/2023 10:12:27 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’m with OP, sue me. The manufacturer said the price is X. The ONLY reason you can’t get one for that is because an artificial middle-man is there. Call it what it is. It’s essentially a $100k bribe to the dealer to be able to buy the car. Where Ford has been actively making efforts to shut this sort of behavior down in their dealerships by restricting allocations for those charging a fortune for lightnings, etc., Dodge is pleased to look the other way. None of this would be an issue if Dodge just set the MSRP at $200k, but they didn’t. If this was most other industries, you’d be protected as a consumer. Watch what would happen if Best Buy decided to charge $1000 more per console when the new PlayStation comes out again and is in insane demand. Or if Rolex ADs charged more for a *new* watch (not a used one). Or any other industry where you have agreements in place to sell at the price. These dealerships are getting away with murder, and the manufacturers are just as bad. Govern me harder, daddy! 
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Posted: 3/29/2023 10:20:51 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Govern me harder, daddy! Has nothing to do with government. I wouldn’t invite the government into anything. It does have to do with manufacturers getting their agents under control and not taking bribes for products. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 10:26:53 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, there wouldn't be enough supply for how many people would be willing to pay $100K for one. And your Ford example isn't very good since they can't even come close to meeting demand for orders. Hell, I just waited 16 months for my Maverick order. There are plenty of other commodities that are limited supply that don’t get marked up by the initial seller. Tickets, some guns, some luxury goods like Tiffany items, etc. A lot of that is worked out through luck of the draw (right place, right time) or getting in line and seeing if you can get one. No reason why a local shouldn’t be able to walk into a local dealership and put money down for one at MSRP if they have an allocation and you’re first in the door. And as for the ford thing, I’m not sure what you’re getting at. Ford has explicitly told their dealerships that if they mark up Lightnings and (iirc) Shelby mustangs, their allocations will be eliminated or severely curtailed. At least they’re making the effort. Yeah, there’s a waiting list for the maverick and some of these other trucks. Just the way it is when they’re in short supply. I still don’t think the dealership should be gouging customers who want to get any of them. And we can talk about the invisible hand of economics all we want, but this isn’t a normal open market. The manufacturer-dealership relationship alongside the laws on the books makes it inherently not textbook. |
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Posted: 3/29/2023 11:32:38 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted:[/b] How many people complaining about the dealership in this thread.......sold a house for alot more than they paid for it ?? . That is very arguably not the same thing . . 
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Posted: 3/29/2023 11:36:08 PM EST
[#38]
Still just a Dodge.
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Posted: 3/30/2023 1:02:28 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Has nothing to do with government. Well in this case, it does. Dodge isn't making itself get rid of gas muscle cars. |
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Posted: 3/30/2023 1:15:44 AM EST
[#40]
The Demon is cool, but I'll keep my Redeye
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Posted: 3/30/2023 1:27:37 AM EST
[#41]
 Is the NEW 2023 Dodge Demon 170 the BEST muscle car ever built? |
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Posted: 3/30/2023 1:35:00 AM EST
[#42]
 New 1,025HP Dodge Challenger SRT Demon 170 Sounds |
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Posted: 3/30/2023 1:55:06 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Just wait till a few of them end up on the open market. I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two trade hands for $3-500k. I'll buy several at $3 |
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Posted: 3/30/2023 2:05:28 AM EST
[#44]
Dodge CEO and price markups by dealers addressed.... If you pay over MSRP you risk not getting the car built at all. Dodge is prioritizing builds from dealers who only charge MSRP.
https://moparinsiders.com/dodge-ceo-unveils-strategy-to-prevent-markups-on-the-demon-170-model/ |
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Posted: 3/30/2023 2:09:02 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dodge CEO and price markups by dealers addressed.... If you pay over MSRP you risk not getting the car built at all. Dodge is prioritizing builds from dealers who only charge MSRP. https://moparinsiders.com/dodge-ceo-unveils-strategy-to-prevent-markups-on-the-demon-170-model/ I'm going to guess that won't make a difference, but I appreciate that they're trying something |
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Posted: 3/30/2023 2:22:50 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryThis. It’s pretty damn simple. |
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Posted: 3/30/2023 2:33:03 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Toyota plans to build a shitload of electrics. This statement comes as several car brands pledged to go full-electric at some point in the future, with Honda, Acura, Cadillac, Jaguar, Mercedes-Benz, Audi, and more saying they’ll do the best they can to become carbon neutral in this century. By contrast, Toyota wants to sell around 5.5 million internal combustion-engined and plug-in hybrid cars per year from 2030, as well as 3.5 million EVs, including 1 million Lexus-branded cars. @JCatt Yes, they have to build electrics in different markets because of subsidies and regulatory requirements. Their new battery technology is going to shake up the market and will be a threat to Tesla. For models like LFA and their sports cars, a hydrogen ICE drivetrain will keep us old folks entertained. There is no beating an electric engine, and Toyota/Yamaha are already planning for the next 20 years. 300hp per axel is nothing to laugh at.  5 GAME-CHANGING Electric Motors |
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Posted: 3/30/2023 3:04:10 AM EST
[#48]
Funny how the manufacturer's say that they'll punish dealers for doing this, but it still happens.
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Posted: 3/30/2023 4:18:34 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dodge CEO and price markups by dealers addressed.... If you pay over MSRP you risk not getting the car built at all. Dodge is prioritizing builds from dealers who only charge MSRP. https://moparinsiders.com/dodge-ceo-unveils-strategy-to-prevent-markups-on-the-demon-170-model/ That has to be a fairly short list. I didn't think any of these had sold anywhere near MSRP. |
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Posted: 3/30/2023 5:02:03 AM EST
[#50]
Anyone dumb enough to pay $100k+ for a Fiat deserves their inevitable fate.
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