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Posted: 8/1/2018 11:15:37 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a 10th amendment absolutionist. States are free to be fucktards. Florida was going to do what florida was going to do with or without trump. the actions in florida probably enjoyed 90% support across the electorate. I don't confuse my personal beliefs with public opinion POTUS had a really cozy meeting after the shooting in FL, and I know you are aware of all this so I will skip the BS. Almost to the "T" of what was being said by POTUS and Washington ironically ended up being state law in FL. I do not confuse presidential powers with tweets. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 11:15:41 AM EST
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I do. I disagree with the interpretation of the 14th amendment. The 1st amendment states "Congress shall make no law" The Bill of Rights was written to restrict the power of the federal government. Nothing more. The 10th Amendment has been rendered worthless. The federal government is too strong. Giving them more power, even if you think its for a good reason, is inherently evil. Take Florida, for example. “[t]he right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law.” That is badly written in their constitution. But why is it in their constitution at all if the 14th Amendment incorporates the BoRs? You like judicial oligarchies? I don't. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: You think states have the right to usurp the U.S. Constitution? I disagree with the interpretation of the 14th amendment. The 1st amendment states "Congress shall make no law" The Bill of Rights was written to restrict the power of the federal government. Nothing more. The 10th Amendment has been rendered worthless. The federal government is too strong. Giving them more power, even if you think its for a good reason, is inherently evil. Take Florida, for example. “[t]he right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law.” That is badly written in their constitution. But why is it in their constitution at all if the 14th Amendment incorporates the BoRs? You like judicial oligarchies? I don't. 
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Posted: 8/1/2018 11:54:49 AM EST
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Damn, I agree with Sylvan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: You think states have the right to usurp the U.S. Constitution? I disagree with the interpretation of the 14th amendment. The 1st amendment states "Congress shall make no law" The Bill of Rights was written to restrict the power of the federal government. Nothing more. The 10th Amendment has been rendered worthless. The federal government is too strong. Giving them more power, even if you think its for a good reason, is inherently evil. Take Florida, for example. “[t]he right of the people to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves and of the lawful authority of the state shall not be infringed, except that the manner of bearing arms may be regulated by law.” That is badly written in their constitution. But why is it in their constitution at all if the 14th Amendment incorporates the BoRs? You like judicial oligarchies? I don't. My concern is that individual states are practicing judicial oligarchy. Generally speaking, those states appear to be highly populated, or have one or two large population centers that contain the power center. It seems the greater the population in a given area, the more restrictive the individual freedoms. The U.S. Population is exploding. I think a dystopian U.S. is in our not too distant future. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 11:57:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't disagree with him. My concern is that individual states are practicing judicial oligarchy. Generally speaking, those states appear to be highly populated, or have one or two large population centers that contain the power center. It seems the greater the population in a given area, the more restrictive the individual freedoms. The U.S. Population is exploding. I think a dystopian U.S. is in our not too distant future. I cannot move country to country freely. I don't live in Kansas because I hate oceans and mountains.
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Posted: 8/1/2018 12:08:06 PM EST
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What has Trump done? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I know it sounds crazy but it appears that he will do less to limit 2a rights in his 8 years than Mr Trump in half a term. He did say he was going to make stuff happen.  |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 12:12:18 PM EST
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Nothing actively pro gun that I can think of. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 12:15:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just ITAR and the changes to what is USML and CCL. Which was good, but not that big a deal. What makes me jealous and pissed off a bit is Obama got Obamacare for his hard core supporters. I know we are outliers but we still put him into office...…..I wonder if he knows this? |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 12:18:54 PM EST
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Ok, those are good. What makes me jealous and pissed off a bit is Obama got Obamacare for his hard core supporters. I know we are outliers but we still put him into office...…..I wonder if he knows this? HPA was a bone that got pulled out because of Vegas. But I blame congress on that. Trump ran on border security and trade. Lets face it, we are pigs in a poke. 
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Posted: 8/1/2018 12:20:45 PM EST
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Most folks are pretty happy with where we are. HPA was a bone that got pulled out because of Vegas. But I blame congress on that. Trump ran on border security and trade. Lets face it, we are pigs in a poke. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok, those are good. What makes me jealous and pissed off a bit is Obama got Obamacare for his hard core supporters. I know we are outliers but we still put him into office...…..I wonder if he knows this? HPA was a bone that got pulled out because of Vegas. But I blame congress on that. Trump ran on border security and trade. Lets face it, we are pigs in a poke. I say it arguably the most here but at the same time I seem to also be the one who keeps fighting this fact the most...……..WEIRD. 
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Posted: 8/1/2018 12:54:36 PM EST
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Everyone needs to realize that when Trump tweets or says something (especially off the cuff), you CANNOT take it seriously, or even literally. His tweets MIGHT be very serious, and represent a stable belief/attitude on something. His tweets MIGHT be designed to tweak/infuriate people. His tweets MIGHT be designed as an opening position in a later negotiation. His tweets MIGHT be designed to help frame an issue for discussion. His tweets MIGHT just be stream-of-consciousness off the top of his head. With Trump, the only actual thing that matters is the outcome. What will actually happen - and not what he says. In terms of guns, so far, NOTHING bad has happened, and in terms of the SCOTUS, things are looking very, very good. I voted for Trump for one reason, and that is SCOTUS appointments. So far, my vote has paid off very well. If Hillary had been elected, the 2nd Amendment would have been totally fucked in the Supreme Court already. That's about where we're at? |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 12:58:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm a 10th amendment absolutionist. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 1:00:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about Florida? Yeah, Trump shouldn't have called him and said good job, but Trump reciprocates loyalty. He plays politics. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 1:03:14 PM EST
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Just in -
The President supports our existing laws that are decades old that prohibit fully plastic guns. Sarah Huckabee Sanders just now at the Press conference. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 1:05:04 PM EST
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Uhmmm....I think you misspelled 'abolishinist.' He's a 10A absolutist. I'm not a 10A "absolutist". I believe the Bill of Rights should 100% be law of the land and trump all state law and regulation. I also believe in a very small fedgov, but that's one area where I believe in federal supremacy. However, I understand Sylvan's perspective, and I don't think it's a bad one. There are pros and cons to both his and my views. My view comes with pro-fed legal precedent, which admittedly carries huge risks. His comes with the legal precedent that states can be oppressive at will as long as their congress can pass oppressive laws, as there'd be no check/balance for it at a federal level. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 1:07:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Blame Rick Scott. Yeah, Trump shouldn't have called him and said good job, but Trump reciprocates loyalty. He plays politics.  Attached FileI do blame him. He did exactly what POTUS was tweeting and having meetings for. I will not vote for him for senator either. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 1:11:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well apparently you don't know what that word means. He's a 10A absolutist. I'm not a 10A "absolutist". I believe the Bill of Rights should 100% be law of the land and trump all state law and regulation. I also believe in a very small fedgov, but that's one area where I believe in federal supremacy. However, I understand Sylvan's perspective, and I don't think it's a bad one. There are pros and cons to both his and my views. My view comes with pro-fed legal precedent, which admittedly carries huge risks. His comes with the legal precedent that states can be oppressive at will as long as their congress can pass oppressive laws, as there'd be no check/balance for it at a federal level. I just have a hard time believing that such a hardcore TrumpPumper would ever call themselves a 'states rights advocate / absolutist.' There was a states rights absolutist that ran in the Republican primary, and of course lost miserably thanks to the #NYValues pompom waving and cheerleading. ....but hey, I'm just a Canadian....so.... |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 2:14:20 PM EST
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So basically don't take anything the President says seriously because what he says might not be serious, or alternatively, incredibly serious? That's about where we're at? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone needs to realize that when Trump tweets or says something (especially off the cuff), you CANNOT take it seriously, or even literally. His tweets MIGHT be very serious, and represent a stable belief/attitude on something. His tweets MIGHT be designed to tweak/infuriate people. His tweets MIGHT be designed as an opening position in a later negotiation. His tweets MIGHT be designed to help frame an issue for discussion. His tweets MIGHT just be stream-of-consciousness off the top of his head. With Trump, the only actual thing that matters is the outcome. What will actually happen - and not what he says. In terms of guns, so far, NOTHING bad has happened, and in terms of the SCOTUS, things are looking very, very good. I voted for Trump for one reason, and that is SCOTUS appointments. So far, my vote has paid off very well. If Hillary had been elected, the 2nd Amendment would have been totally fucked in the Supreme Court already. That's about where we're at? Actions matter, not words. Words are free, and nothing by noise and hot air. Trump can use them for many things. The ONLY thing that matter is what actually happens that affects us. His SCOTUS appointments will almost certainly reinforce and protect the 2nd amendment for an entire generation. What the fuck do I care what he tweets? |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 2:16:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Actions matter, not words. Words are free, and nothing by noise and hot air. Trump can use them for many things. The ONLY thing that matter is what actually happens that affects us. His SCOTUS appointments will almost certainly reinforce and protect the 2nd amendment for an entire generation. What the fuck do I care what he tweets?
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Posted: 8/1/2018 2:18:56 PM EST
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My tweets matter though, right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yes. Actions matter, not words. Words are free, and nothing by noise and hot air. Trump can use them for many things. The ONLY thing that matter is what actually happens that affects us. His SCOTUS appointments will almost certainly reinforce and protect the 2nd amendment for an entire generation. What the fuck do I care what he tweets? 
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Posted: 8/1/2018 2:23:35 PM EST
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Oh, I underatand the word, but thank you. I just have a hard time believing that such a hardcore TrumpPumper would ever call themselves a 'states rights advocate / absolutist.' There was a states rights absolutist that ran in the Republican primary, and of course lost miserably thanks to the #NYValues pompom waving and cheerleading. ....but hey, I'm just a Canadian....so.... Foreign Trade and National Security/Border Enforcement being the two most important. And Trump is correct, and solely correct, on both of those. I don't expect some provincial subject to understand. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 2:25:22 PM EST
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So no one thinks the bumpstock ban is actually happening just because it hasn't dropped yet? It's only been a few weeks since the comment period on the regulatory proposal closed.
Does no one else remember how long it took for 41p to take effect after the comment period ended on that? Does no one else remember what the final result of that was, despite the overwhelming majority of comments being strongly against it? Trump hasn't "done nothing" against guns or the second amendment. He loudly and publicly ordered the justice department to redefine the law. Yes, just words. Words that have resulted in ongoing action to set a horrible precedent of executive branch law-making. Again, maybe I'm just a cynical asshole, but I don't think the ATF is just going to say "yep, we were right the first time Mr. President. You don't have the authority to give the order you gave us. These are still legal." I'll jump for joy if I'm wrong. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 2:25:55 PM EST
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None of us supported her. I sure as fuck didn't. I wanted no one to win that year and wrote in Mike lee. First time I've done that in all my years voting R every election. I voted all R down ballot. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 2:30:43 PM EST
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Amazing how so many here just don't get it. Bump stocks, 3-D guns, tariffs, Putin meeting, North Korea, etc. Trump does this to trigger the Libs. He's an absolute genius. He knows he can get them frothing with rage by doing stuff like this. He makes a tweet or changes a little policy. They cannot stand ANYTHING he does. I don't care if they actually ban bump stocks. I don't care if car prices go up by 40%. I don't care if Trump institutes another AWB. If it triggers the Libs it is worthwhile. Policy and details are completely irrelevant. This is all about driving the Liberals crazy so their sperm count drops due to rage and they can no longer reproduce. It is 3-D Chess and everyone else is playing Backgammon. Liberals are going to depopulate and the GOP is going to take over the country. I'm actually looking forward to when it comes out that Trump did pay for some abortions. The Liberals will go insane when the next day Trump signs a new law heavily restricting abortion. You'll see that special glint in his eye as he triggers masses of Liberals by making it perfectly clear it is OK for him to participate in an abortion, but they aren't allowed to anymore. Again, part of his brilliant plan to depopulate Liberals. They will become so enraged they'll end perfectly good pregnancies in back-alley abortions just so they can "resist." Net result? Less Liberals. Less illegals. More GOP. I still don't understand why Trump hasn't sold Alaska back to Russia. That would trigger the Libs so bad that half of them would become suicidal. A week after he sells Alaska he should gift Texas back to Mexico. The Libs would be so fucking crushed it would be like Election Night 2016 all over again. All the idiots here complaining about Trump need to STFU as most of you are mere inches away from committing treason. Last time I checked, the so-called "1st Amendment" that Liberals and Never-Trumpers love to whine about isn't a defense to treason. Enjoy Gitmo, commies!!! |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 2:38:20 PM EST
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So no one thinks the bumpstock ban is actually happening just because it hasn't dropped yet? It's only been a few weeks since the comment period on the regulatory proposal closed. Does no one else remember how long it took for 41p to take effect after the comment period ended on that? Does no one else remember what the final result of that was, despite the overwhelming majority of comments being strongly against it? Trump hasn't "done nothing" against guns or the second amendment. He loudly and publicly ordered the justice department to redefine the law. Yes, just words. Words that have resulted in ongoing action to set a horrible precedent of executive branch law-making. Again, maybe I'm just a cynical asshole, but I don't think the ATF is just going to say "yep, we were right the first time Mr. President. You don't have the authority to give the order you gave us. These are still legal." I'll jump for joy if I'm wrong. Well, not in the real world at least. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 2:38:38 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't care about Camels, so I don't follow you. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:01:23 PM EST
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I'm not sure that would help.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Was there a good reason for that tweet? Did that help our cause? |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:18:38 PM EST
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Yes. Actions matter, not words. Words are free, and nothing by noise and hot air. Trump can use them for many things. The ONLY thing that matter is what actually happens that affects us. His SCOTUS appointments will almost certainly reinforce and protect the 2nd amendment for an entire generation. What the fuck do I care what he tweets? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone needs to realize that when Trump tweets or says something (especially off the cuff), you CANNOT take it seriously, or even literally. His tweets MIGHT be very serious, and represent a stable belief/attitude on something. His tweets MIGHT be designed to tweak/infuriate people. His tweets MIGHT be designed as an opening position in a later negotiation. His tweets MIGHT be designed to help frame an issue for discussion. His tweets MIGHT just be stream-of-consciousness off the top of his head. With Trump, the only actual thing that matters is the outcome. What will actually happen - and not what he says. In terms of guns, so far, NOTHING bad has happened, and in terms of the SCOTUS, things are looking very, very good. I voted for Trump for one reason, and that is SCOTUS appointments. So far, my vote has paid off very well. If Hillary had been elected, the 2nd Amendment would have been totally fucked in the Supreme Court already. That's about where we're at? Actions matter, not words. Words are free, and nothing by noise and hot air. Trump can use them for many things. The ONLY thing that matter is what actually happens that affects us. His SCOTUS appointments will almost certainly reinforce and protect the 2nd amendment for an entire generation. What the fuck do I care what he tweets?
Just ask the Floridians. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:22:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Words do matter.
Just ask the Floridians. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:23:19 PM EST
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Said in an election year debate to shut up dems. He didn't go on TV and sit next to Feinstein and PUSH for gun laws. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:23:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think most assume bump stocks will go the way of akins accelerators. You don't get to watch livestream of 200 people getting shot with them at a concert and think nothing happens. Well, not in the real world at least. The President of the United States ordered an executive branch to rewrite the law. That's the real problem. As a self proclaimed constitutionalist, you should be screaming bloody murder. Would you be ok with this if it was Obama executively redefining AR15s as "machine guns" under the NFA after Sandy Hook? After all, you don't have a psychopath gun down 20 school children with an AR15 and expect nothing to happen... right? If what you're saying happens, then NO guns are safe. The next major shooting event involving an AR15 and no whiz bang accessories will only require the proper imperial whim for a new ban. That is, unless we successfully fight the uphill battle and get the courts to overrule the President on this. And winning that battle will only put us back where we were prior to this shitshow. This is potentially the most serious blow dealt to the second amendment since the 1968 GCA. People need to get mad. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:25:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think most assume bump stocks will go the way of akins accelerators. You don't get to watch livestream of 200 people getting shot with them at a concert and think nothing happens. Well, not in the real world at least. If we can lose bump stocks because "OMG IT FIRES FAST" then we have already lost the game. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:28:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you seem entirely sanguine about it. The President of the United States ordered an executive branch to rewrite the law. That's the real problem. As a self proclaimed constitutionalist, you should be screaming bloody murder. Would you be ok with this if it was Obama executively redefining AR15s as "machine guns" under the NFA after Sandy Hook? After all, you don't have a psychopath gun down 20 school children with an AR15 and expect nothing to happen... right? If what you're saying happens, then NO guns are safe. The next major shooting event involving an AR15 and no whiz bang accessories will only require the proper imperial whim for a new ban. That is, unless we successfully fight the uphill battle and get the courts to overrule the President on this. And winning that battle will only put us back where we were prior to this shitshow. This is potentially the most serious blow dealt to the second amendment since the 1968 GCA. People need to get mad. Does it have an end and if it doesn't, why do we need the Congress? As to the rest of what you wrote: no kidding. I wish more people could see the big picture on this. 
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:28:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And you seem entirely sanguine about it. The President of the United States ordered an executive branch to rewrite the law. That's the real problem. As a self proclaimed constitutionalist, you should be screaming bloody murder. Would you be ok with this if it was Obama executively redefining AR15s as "machine guns" under the NFA after Sandy Hook? After all, you don't have a psychopath gun down 20 school children with an AR15 and expect nothing to happen... right? If what you're saying happens, then NO guns are safe. The next major shooting event involving an AR15 and no whiz bang accessories will only require the proper imperial whim for a new ban. That is, unless we successfully fight the uphill battle and get the courts to overrule the President on this. And winning that battle will only put us back where we were prior to this shitshow. This is potentially the most serious blow dealt to the second amendment since the 1968 GCA. People need to get mad. real world isn't about absolutes. You have to deal with reality. I don't remember people going to the mattresses about the akins accelerator. which is the same concept. Your slippery slope is tedious and unproven. If you wish to maintain the conversation in the conceptual and hypothetical instead of reality, that is your choice. But there comes a point of diminishing returns. If you are complaining about bump stocks, it simply shows how complacent we have become. I remember the 80s and 90s. we have progressed substantially in our rights. You do that by acknowledging when you are weak and when you are strong. 10 years ago Vegas would have brought us a no-shit AWB. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:28:43 PM EST
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I wonder what we lose when somebody takes a belt fed AR-15 or any other semi-auto and uses a wooden dowel (or their fingers) to accomplish the same result. If we can lose bump stocks because "OMG IT FIRES FAST" then we have already lost the game. Why weren't all ARs banned? |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:30:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am. real world isn't about absolutes. You have to deal with reality. I don't remember people going to the mattresses about the akins accelerator. which is the same concept. Your slippery slope is tedious and unproven. If you wish to maintain the conversation in the conceptual and hypothetical instead of reality, that is your choice. But there comes a point of diminishing returns. If you are complaining about bump stocks, it simply shows how complacent we have become. I remember the 80s and 90s. we have progressed substantially in our rights. You do that by acknowledging when you are weak and when you are strong. 10 years ago Vegas would have brought us a no-shit AWB. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:33:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ok. I guess Stephen Stamboulieh is being paranoid then. You should tell him not to bother with his promised lawsuit. But if he loses I don't think the next day Trump is going to issue an order to seize all ARs, either. You must explain what are the fundamental differences between the bump stock and akins accelerator before I am going to get my panties in a twist. I would also like an explanation why nobody freaked the fuck out on the latter. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:38:40 PM EST
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What do you expect with the NRA advising him?! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jesus, for everything brilliant he does, he falls for the biggest nothingburgers when it comes to firearms. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:38:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not at all. But if he loses I don't think the next day Trump is going to issue an order to seize all ARs, either. You must explain what are the fundamental differences between the bump stock and akins accelerator before I am going to get my panties in a twist. I would also like an explanation why nobody freaked the fuck out on the latter. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:42:16 PM EST
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I don't care about Camels, so I don't follow you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Yes. Actions matter, not words. Words are free, and nothing by noise and hot air. Trump can use them for many things. The ONLY thing that matter is what actually happens that affects us. His SCOTUS appointments will almost certainly reinforce and protect the 2nd amendment for an entire generation. What the fuck do I care what he tweets? |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 3:50:37 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Akins Accelerator. Why weren't all ARs banned? The Akins accelerator was submitted one way. The ATF couldn't get it to work. They sent a letter back saying "we couldn't get it to work, but based on your description it sounds ok to us." Then Akins sold them a different way. With a spring that assisted in recoiling the stock against the action. That absolutely is an MG by the definition of the 1934 NFA. This is in NO WAY even remotely the same thing. ATF didn't administratively redefine the NFA to get a specific result. There was no regulatory proposal at the behest of the President to rewrite a definition set in a law passed by congress. They narrowly interpreted the law within it's assigned meaning and gave their opinion on the device as it was then being sold. ARs aren't currently being banned as a result of the Akins debacle because nothing about the law was changed. This bumpfire bullshit overtly seeks to change the law, in effect, by executive order. The President is ordering an executive branch agency to effectively change the law. They're changing the definition of something set by congress. This part cannot be stressed enough. This is Trump's DACA. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 4:02:18 PM EST
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The Akins accelerator was modified after it had been submitted to the BATF for approval, that is the reason it was then pulled from the market with a stop sale order.
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Posted: 8/1/2018 4:03:43 PM EST
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Hey look, the NRA is at whittling down our rights again.
It's like all they do. If you could 3D print a nice trap shotgun, or GIANT DOLLAR BILLS, the NRA would love it. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 4:04:31 PM EST
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Of course it doesn't make sense to a fucking life-long Democrat billionaire from NYC that has #NYValues. BETACuck. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 4:05:56 PM EST
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So basically don't take anything the President says seriously because what he says might not be serious, or alternatively, incredibly serious? That's about where we're at? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Everyone needs to realize that when Trump tweets or says something (especially off the cuff), you CANNOT take it seriously, or even literally. His tweets MIGHT be very serious, and represent a stable belief/attitude on something. His tweets MIGHT be designed to tweak/infuriate people. His tweets MIGHT be designed as an opening position in a later negotiation. His tweets MIGHT be designed to help frame an issue for discussion. His tweets MIGHT just be stream-of-consciousness off the top of his head. With Trump, the only actual thing that matters is the outcome. What will actually happen - and not what he says. In terms of guns, so far, NOTHING bad has happened, and in terms of the SCOTUS, things are looking very, very good. I voted for Trump for one reason, and that is SCOTUS appointments. So far, my vote has paid off very well. If Hillary had been elected, the 2nd Amendment would have been totally fucked in the Supreme Court already. That's about where we're at? So technically when you say, "The President..." you're referring to stick on eyebrow faggot who is actually Castro's illegitimate son? You know, because you're a canadian... At least Hugh and the underscore twins are Americans and have a valid opinion, even though some are paid and others are wrong. You dont even rate above American trailerpark methheads. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 4:13:55 PM EST
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The Akins accelerator was modified after it had been submitted to the BATF for approval, that is the reason it was then pulled from the market with a stop sale order. The actual text. Did the akin accelerator reset the trigger each time? I think that it did. I performed a cursory glance at the actual text of the law and see nothing about spring assistance. But I could have missed it. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 4:48:37 PM EST
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"Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." The actual text. Did the akin accelerator reset the trigger each time? I think that it did. I performed a cursory glance at the actual text of the law and see nothing about spring assistance. But I could have missed it. What is so silly is we have been able to "bump fire" guns long before any of these gadgets became available. Bump firing has been around, just about as long as semi-auto guns have been around. Where AA got in trouble is he used a spring to enhance the reset and the bump stock is controlled by the recoil of the gun, I can put an external spring in the bump stock and by definition it would be considered a machine gun in the way that the AA was considered a machine gun. Of course the BATF has also said string is a machine gun. There is really no rhyme or reason to some of the determinations that the BATF make, but for some reason, they have the power to make laws much like the IRS does. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 4:54:23 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In the truest sense of the wording, I don't believe the AA should have been banned anymore than I do the Bump Stock, only one round is released per trigger pull. The bump stock in itself does not reset the trigger so by the word of the law, it should not be banned. What is so silly is we have been able to "bump fire" guns long before any of these gadgets became available. Bump firing has been around, just about as long as semi-auto guns have been around. Where AA got in trouble is he used a spring to enhance the reset and the bump stock is controlled by the recoil of the gun, I can put an external spring in the bump stock and by definition it would be considered a machine gun in the way that the AA was considered a machine gun. Of course the BATF has also said string is a machine gun. There is really no rhyme or reason to some of the determinations that the BATF make, but for some reason, they have the power to make laws much like the IRS does. Because I understand why something happens doesn't mean I agree with it. You can't look at things out of context. And Vegas is context. The American public believes MGs are tightly regulated. To the entire country outside AR15, this is full auto. So blame the gun or blame the stock. But something is getting fixed.  Witness footage of Las Vegas Route 91 Harvest country music festival shooting |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 4:55:45 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
"Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." The actual text. Did the akin accelerator reset the trigger each time? I think that it did. I performed a cursory glance at the actual text of the law and see nothing about spring assistance. But I could have missed it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Akins accelerator was modified after it had been submitted to the BATF for approval, that is the reason it was then pulled from the market with a stop sale order. The actual text. Did the akin accelerator reset the trigger each time? I think that it did. I performed a cursory glance at the actual text of the law and see nothing about spring assistance. But I could have missed it. The spring pulled it again provided the shooter's finger was held rigidly (read: automatically) no different than an autosear. Bump stocks lack even the spring, so the stock is doing nothing. Semi-autos are mechanically similar enough to full-autos that letting politicians ban items because "close enough, whatever" is highly dangerous in the long term. The onus is not on us to not make items that blur the lines the onus is on the feds to not pass stupid laws that throw out our civil rights with the bathwater. |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 4:58:52 PM EST
[#49]
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Agreed with all. Because I understand why something happens doesn't mean I agree with it. You can't look at things out of context. And Vegas is context. The American public believes MGs are tightly regulated. To the entire country outside AR15, this is full auto. So blame the gun or blame the stock. But something is getting fixed.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFynly6jLSsQuote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: In the truest sense of the wording, I don't believe the AA should have been banned anymore than I do the Bump Stock, only one round is released per trigger pull. The bump stock in itself does not reset the trigger so by the word of the law, it should not be banned. What is so silly is we have been able to "bump fire" guns long before any of these gadgets became available. Bump firing has been around, just about as long as semi-auto guns have been around. Where AA got in trouble is he used a spring to enhance the reset and the bump stock is controlled by the recoil of the gun, I can put an external spring in the bump stock and by definition it would be considered a machine gun in the way that the AA was considered a machine gun. Of course the BATF has also said string is a machine gun. There is really no rhyme or reason to some of the determinations that the BATF make, but for some reason, they have the power to make laws much like the IRS does. Because I understand why something happens doesn't mean I agree with it. You can't look at things out of context. And Vegas is context. The American public believes MGs are tightly regulated. To the entire country outside AR15, this is full auto. So blame the gun or blame the stock. But something is getting fixed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wFynly6jLSs |
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Posted: 8/1/2018 5:01:45 PM EST
[#50]
Function means nothing to the general public. This thing with 3-D guns is actually silly because the non-detectable gun act has been around for a long time now, even if you 3-D print a gun you are suppose to put a detectable piece of metal in it and it would be inline to the law. The law has stated for a long time now, we can make our own guns for personal use, because the technology changes does not mean the law changes.
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