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Quoted: I guess this is the Arfcom quandary. Somehow we think we are "mainstream" gun owners. We are not, and not even close. I belong to a gun club that only permits 22 members. We have 1900 acres to ourselves for shooting and hunting. All members consider themselves 2nd amendment supporters, and are NRA life members or better. I am the only one who does 80% lowers, (AR15, AR-10, and 1911s), Polymer 80 builds, and bumpstocks. Every other club member tells me, "that shit should be illegal". We have heated discussions about this. The sad part to me is that these are not kids, every one is from 45 -70 years old. One of the members told me that my opinion is as far right as Antifa is left. View Quote Same thing with bump stocks. 95% of gun owners don't give a fuck and 80% thought they should be banned. The good news is the progress we made in ARs. That was the same situation we faced in the late 80s early 90s. Now they are ubiquitous and the vast majority of gun owners don't see ARs as being "extreme" We have pushed the overton window on firearms a long way. we are bumping into the current limits. As for this, what are they going to ban? CNC machines and 3d Printers? Data files? This is less 2nd Amendment than a 1st Amendment issue. Re-define 80% down to 50%? Same problem. We can take a 0% lower and make it into an AR lower with the push of a single button. Are we going to ban mills and lathes? With some states banning them and some states allowing them, I think this goes to the SCOTUS ultimately. I am sure the sore_losers will be heart broken that Gorsuch and Kavenaugh will be hearing the case. |
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It really irritates me when you are critical of our president, when you have that deep throating man child running your country. Why don't you sweep your own back porch? Just sayin.... Our guy has done a lot more good for the world than your effeminate fake eye brow wearing butt pirate. View Quote |
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I will venture to say that Trump is right, it does not make sense to sell 3D printed guns when you can make your own at home.
Don't forget that commercially sold firearms are serial numbered, look at the plate in your Glock that contains the S/N. |
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I'm just pointing out their position here and what happened then. I didn't agree with them when they said it should be looked at again. I'm glad they came around but the horse was out of the fence. In this case though, they support it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: NRA needs to back off on gun control. Trump doesn't know dick about guns and will only do what NRA says is OK. This is all NRA, just like bumpstocks. nra - "the legality of this thing should be re-evaluated" members - "screeching, losing money, moar screeching" nra - "this thing shouldn't be banned" they can not "eat their cake and have it too". their sole existence is fund raising, their "top men" have shown time and time again they stand against real 2a freedom. they have been helpful in some cases, but they have also been hurtful in others. to blindly think they are for your rights is, well, blind. In this case though, they support it. |
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I will venture to say that Trump is right, it does not make sense to sell 3D printed guns when you can make your own at home. Don't forget that commercially sold firearms are serial numbered, look at the plate in your Glock that contains the S/N. View Quote If my president goes to the NRA for advice about guns, the problem isn't the president. |
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when the trump train takes a break from talking about the failed candidate from 2 years ago non stop, look what they can get done on gun violence
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Trump knows fuck all about guns. If my president goes to the NRA for advice about guns, the problem isn't the president. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I will venture to say that Trump is right, it does not make sense to sell 3D printed guns when you can make your own at home. Don't forget that commercially sold firearms are serial numbered, look at the plate in your Glock that contains the S/N. If my president goes to the NRA for advice about guns, the problem isn't the president. |
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Quoted: He hopes the rest of the country's gun laws look like NY's so he can feel better. Schadenfraude is an ugly emotion. View Quote You'd love NY, you'd get on the gun club board right away ranting about how no one needs a bumpstock or plastic gun. "But But lawyer lawyer New York New York" You've shown you'll go along with whatever gun control Trump tweets about. |
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The echo chamber is deafening in here. Same thing with bump stocks. 95% of gun owners don't give a fuck and 80% thought they should be banned. The good news is the progress we made in ARs. That was the same situation we faced in the late 80s early 90s. Now they are ubiquitous and the vast majority of gun owners don't see ARs as being "extreme" We have pushed the overton window on firearms a long way. we are bumping into the current limits. As for this, what are they going to ban? CNC machines and 3d Printers? Data files? This is less 2nd Amendment than a 1st Amendment issue. Re-define 80% down to 50%? Same problem. We can take a 0% lower and make it into an AR lower with the push of a single button. Are we going to ban mills and lathes? With some states banning them and some states allowing them, I think this goes to the SCOTUS ultimately. I am sure the sore_losers will be heart broken that Gorsuch and Kavenaugh will be hearing the case. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: I guess this is the Arfcom quandary. Somehow we think we are "mainstream" gun owners. We are not, and not even close. I belong to a gun club that only permits 22 members. We have 1900 acres to ourselves for shooting and hunting. All members consider themselves 2nd amendment supporters, and are NRA life members or better. I am the only one who does 80% lowers, (AR15, AR-10, and 1911s), Polymer 80 builds, and bumpstocks. Every other club member tells me, "that shit should be illegal". We have heated discussions about this. The sad part to me is that these are not kids, every one is from 45 -70 years old. One of the members told me that my opinion is as far right as Antifa is left. Same thing with bump stocks. 95% of gun owners don't give a fuck and 80% thought they should be banned. The good news is the progress we made in ARs. That was the same situation we faced in the late 80s early 90s. Now they are ubiquitous and the vast majority of gun owners don't see ARs as being "extreme" We have pushed the overton window on firearms a long way. we are bumping into the current limits. As for this, what are they going to ban? CNC machines and 3d Printers? Data files? This is less 2nd Amendment than a 1st Amendment issue. Re-define 80% down to 50%? Same problem. We can take a 0% lower and make it into an AR lower with the push of a single button. Are we going to ban mills and lathes? With some states banning them and some states allowing them, I think this goes to the SCOTUS ultimately. I am sure the sore_losers will be heart broken that Gorsuch and Kavenaugh will be hearing the case. |
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Quoted: Trump doesn’t need to know technical details about guns to know he didn’t run for office on restricting them further View Quote and you cry about it. |
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Worth noting that Trump has steered the democrats into running the midterm elections on abolishing ICE, banning guns, and general pussyhat screeching from 20-something horsefaced communist cunts.
That Blue_Wave that was the subject of so much mental masturbation around here ain't lookin' so great, is it? |
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#Nevertrump? Nah, they're just Super-Concerned Patriotic Gun Owners now. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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The NRA once again whispering sweet nothing's into MAGA's ear. Wayne and Marion hate competition. Got this in my email yesterday. "SAF and Defense Distributed Sue New Jersey Attorney General and Los Angeles City Attorney The Second Amendment Foundation and Defense Distributed took the necessary action of filing a federal lawsuit on Sunday against the New Jersey Attorney General and Los Angeles City Attorney, accusing them of “unconstitutional prior restraint” by attempting to prevent online sharing of 3-D firearms printing technology despite a Justice Department settlement of a lawsuit several days ago. The lawsuit was filed in U.S. District Court for the Western District of Texas in Austin. Both New Jersey Attorney General Gurbir S. Grewal and L.A. City Attorney Michael Feuer sent letters threatening legal actions that the plaintiffs allege violate their First Amendment speech rights, according to court documents. A settlement between Defense Distributed and the U.S. Justice Department ending a lengthy legal action allows the Texas-based firm to post its 3-D printing information online, as of Aug. 1. “What Grewal and Feuer are attempting is an unconstitutional exercise of prior restraint,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan M. Gottlieb. “They are trying to prevent Defense Distributed and its founder, Cody Wilson, from exercising free speech under color of law.” “We have the right to publish this information,” added Wilson, “and now the New Jersey Attorney General and Los Angeles city attorney can pay for it.” Wilson and SAF had been engaged in a lawsuit against the government for preventing the online publication of the 3-D technology. With the settlement announcement earlier this month, Wilson was preparing to resume the online availability of the information, but Grewal and Feuer both advised by letter that they would take action. Feuer also tweeted threats of legal action, the complaint notes. “This is quickly turning into a classic First Amendment case,” Gottlieb observed. “People publish all sorts of information online, but because this case involves technical information on the production of firearm components on a 3-D printer, these anti-rights officials are trying to squelch it. We cannot allow this to happen. “You cannot exercise the right to keep and bear arms without being able to buy or make your own firearm,” he said. " Time to throw another 20 spot in SAF's direction. View Quote now you did it that weirdo mod with the hardon for the SAF will be here shortly |
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Your support for Trump previously shows how much this pains you. there is a lawsuit filed on the issue. Trump is getting his firearms advice from the NRA. and you cry about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Trump doesn’t need to know technical details about guns to know he didn’t run for office on restricting them further and you cry about it. That gives the likelihood of a "concluding" opinion already in his mind...……….I mean, WTF does he mean, allowing it is silly or trying to ban it is silly...….CRYPTIC. |
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Your support for Trump previously shows how much this pains you. there is a lawsuit filed on the issue. Trump is getting his firearms advice from the NRA. and you cry about it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Trump doesn’t need to know technical details about guns to know he didn’t run for office on restricting them further and you cry about it. Poor Trump led astray by the NRA giving him bad advice. |
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Here is a principle for you, MIND YOUR CANADIAN BUSINESS. Foreigners meddling in our affairs and trying to sway opinions kinda pisses me off. YOU ARE A FOREIGNER. View Quote |
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I support the 2a while you defend Trump's "reasonable restrictions." You'd love NY, you'd get on the gun club board right away ranting about how no one needs a bumpstock or plastic gun. "But But lawyer lawyer New York New York" You've shown you'll go along with whatever gun control Trump tweets about. View Quote To most gun owners, they know fuck all about 80% lowers and 3d printing. What kind of raving narcissist thinks his personal opinion about anything represents everyone? Wait, I know. A new york lawyer. this is a fringe of the gun rights argument. Again, for the flightless. We have a president who when confronted with a question on gun rights, asks the NRA. And, again for the flightless, if it wasn't the same group bashing Trump before the election who are suddenly pearl clutching over absolutely nothing at this point, I would take them more seriously. As it is now, it appears that the same top_men are desperate to be right about something, anything!, and failing, yet again, miserably. |
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Every week there's another thread here telling me I'm supposed to be outraged about what's happening in Britain or Sweden. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Here is a principle for you, MIND YOUR CANADIAN BUSINESS. Foreigners meddling in our affairs and trying to sway opinions kinda pisses me off. YOU ARE A FOREIGNER. Not my issues. |
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Quoted: Your support for Trump previously shows how much this pains you. there is a lawsuit filed on the issue. Trump is getting his firearms advice from the NRA. and you cry about it. View Quote I never supported trump, it’s nice seeing his supporters have to rationalize dumber and dumber crap like this. Blame it on the NRA lol |
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Trump represents the viewpoint of the vast majority of gun owners. To most gun owners, they know fuck all about 80% lowers and 3d printing. What kind of raving narcissist thinks his personal opinion about anything represents everyone? Wait, I know. A new york lawyer. this is a fringe of the gun rights argument. Again, for the flightless. We have a president who when confronted with a question on gun rights, asks the NRA. And, again for the flightless, if it wasn't the same group bashing Trump before the election who are suddenly pearl clutching over absolutely nothing at this point, I would take them more seriously. As it is now, it appears that the same top_men are desperate to be right about something, anything!, and failing, yet again, miserably. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I support the 2a while you defend Trump's "reasonable restrictions." You'd love NY, you'd get on the gun club board right away ranting about how no one needs a bumpstock or plastic gun. "But But lawyer lawyer New York New York" You've shown you'll go along with whatever gun control Trump tweets about. To most gun owners, they know fuck all about 80% lowers and 3d printing. What kind of raving narcissist thinks his personal opinion about anything represents everyone? Wait, I know. A new york lawyer. this is a fringe of the gun rights argument. Again, for the flightless. We have a president who when confronted with a question on gun rights, asks the NRA. And, again for the flightless, if it wasn't the same group bashing Trump before the election who are suddenly pearl clutching over absolutely nothing at this point, I would take them more seriously. As it is now, it appears that the same top_men are desperate to be right about something, anything!, and failing, yet again, miserably. |
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It really irritates me when you are critical of our president, when you have that deep throating man child running your country. Why don't you sweep your own back porch? Just sayin.... Our guy has done a lot more good for the world than your effeminate fake eye brow wearing butt pirate. View Quote |
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Ah. So we're going to go with "If only the Czar knew!" Poor Trump led astray by the NRA giving him bad advice. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Quoted: Trump doesn’t need to know technical details about guns to know he didn’t run for office on restricting them further and you cry about it. Poor Trump led astray by the NRA giving him bad advice. |
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Why aren't we the mainstream!!?? View Quote we don't go shooting with people with whom we disagree on 1% of the issues. We certainly don't go out of our way to introduce new shooters to the sport and hand over a mag and an AR at the range so somebody can give it a try. we don't represent gun owners. We represent a very small % of gun owners. and we, for the most part, aren't willing to do anything other than bitch on GD about how Trump is fucking gun owners left and right because he is a HIillary plant. |
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Quoted: Trump represents the viewpoint of the vast majority of gun owners. To most gun owners, they know fuck all about 80% lowers and 3d printing. What kind of raving narcissist thinks his personal opinion about anything represents everyone? Wait, I know. A new york lawyer. this is a fringe of the gun rights argument. Again, for the flightless. We have a president who when confronted with a question on gun rights, asks the NRA. And, again for the flightless, if it wasn't the same group bashing Trump before the election who are suddenly pearl clutching over absolutely nothing at this point, I would take them more seriously. As it is now, it appears that the same top_men are desperate to be right about something, anything!, and failing, yet again, miserably. View Quote |
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Quoted: Trump knows fuck all about guns. If my president goes to the NRA for advice about guns, the problem isn't the president. View Quote Pols are scared of the nra. They need to be scared of SAF and GOA as well. |
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Because, for the most part, we are basement dwelling anti-social fucks who can't be bothered with "fudds". we don't go shooting with people with whom we disagree on 1% of the issues. We certainly don't go out of our way to introduce new shooters to the sport and hand over a mag and an AR at the range so somebody can give it a try. we don't represent gun owners. We represent a very small % of gun owners. and we, for the most part, aren't willing to do anything other than bitch on GD about how Trump is fucking gun owners left and right because he is a HIillary plant. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Why aren't we the mainstream!!?? we don't go shooting with people with whom we disagree on 1% of the issues. We certainly don't go out of our way to introduce new shooters to the sport and hand over a mag and an AR at the range so somebody can give it a try. we don't represent gun owners. We represent a very small % of gun owners. and we, for the most part, aren't willing to do anything other than bitch on GD about how Trump is fucking gun owners left and right because he is a HIillary plant. People call me and ask me stuff about guns a lot also. I have tried SINCERELY to be nice and get people to shoot...…….I think MANY here are like me also. You are being to narrow in your analysis. |
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Quoted: Because, for the most part, we are basement dwelling anti-social fucks who can't be bothered with "fudds". we don't go shooting with people with whom we disagree on 1% of the issues. We certainly don't go out of our way to introduce new shooters to the sport and hand over a mag and an AR at the range so somebody can give it a try. we don't represent gun owners. We represent a very small % of gun owners. and we, for the most part, aren't willing to do anything other than bitch on GD about how Trump is fucking gun owners left and right because he is a HIillary plant. View Quote edit I also think younger gun owners are more similar to arfcom members than you portray. I do think they're more on other social media than "old school arfcom" |
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Trump's a gun hating NYC social liberal who doesn't give a shit about guns. Like I said ten million times when he ran for office. He cares about guns like he cares about religion. I know you're choking on being shown 100% wrong again, don't fall off your rocker View Quote Which is why he goes to the NRA when he doesn't understand something. He says it doesn't make sense. To most people it probably doesn't. To most gun owners it probably doesn't. Again, for the flightless, when your president goes to the NRA for advice on guns, the problem isn't the president. |
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Trump's a gun hating NYC social liberal who doesn't give a shit about guns. Like I said ten million times when he ran for office. He cares about guns like he cares about religion. I know you're choking on being shown 100% wrong again, don't fall off your rocker View Quote This is why too much mental gymnastics is bad |
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Tons of people at my ranges have shot my ARs. You really don't offer to let people shoot stuff? I think this cantankerous act is just a schtick on the net. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted: Because, for the most part, we are basement dwelling anti-social fucks who can't be bothered with "fudds". we don't go shooting with people with whom we disagree on 1% of the issues. We certainly don't go out of our way to introduce new shooters to the sport and hand over a mag and an AR at the range so somebody can give it a try. we don't represent gun owners. We represent a very small % of gun owners. and we, for the most part, aren't willing to do anything other than bitch on GD about how Trump is fucking gun owners left and right because he is a HIillary plant. Even used my ammo!!! They said, "shit, we thought it was a .22lr!!" They also asked how to get approval ……...I detailed the NFA procedures. They said "thank you!!". |
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I was never anything other than a social outcast. I’m accustomed to never being in the “in” crowd. Embrace it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Even though I say as much as anyone here I sometimes lose track of the fact that most Americans simply view us as extremists and outliers. Embrace it. |
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Tons of people at my ranges have shot my ARs. You really don't offer to let people shoot stuff? I think this cantankerous act is just a schtick on the net. View Quote And its because we share our ARs that the AR is mainstream where as 30 years ago it was extreme. 3d printing and bump stocks are next level shit. I saw a bump stock at an Friends of the NRA event. Never saw one at a range. I have never seen a 3d printer outside work. We made awesome progress on silencers. HPA died in Vegas, unfortunately, but I blame congress for that one. |
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