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View Quote my city put out a reminder on facebook a few weeks back about their woodburning ban on Tuesdays? my reply got me banned. |
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Quoted: My wood burning insert, once it reaches the proper temperature, burns incredibly clean. The smoke actually burns. No visible smoke comes out the chimney. My pellet stove, however, does whatever it does. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'm against government mandates like this. However, when I get the secondary combustion going on my new Pacific Energy insert, it burns hotter and slower than the old Buck Stove that it replaced. In other words, the emissions reduction technology actually does make it heat better and wood lasts longer. But it should be a choice, not a requirement. My wood burning insert, once it reaches the proper temperature, burns incredibly clean. The smoke actually burns. No visible smoke comes out the chimney. My pellet stove, however, does whatever it does. That's what I mean by secondary combustion. The smoke burning actually produces more heat than the wood burning. When it starts, the difference in temperature of the air coming out is noticeable. |
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fuck em http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah174/bikerman9967revturbo9967/IMG_13671_zpstxmbjko5.jpg View Quote Jotul? I've got two. Awesome stoves. |
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Quoted: fuck em http://i1380.photobucket.com/albums/ah174/bikerman9967revturbo9967/IMG_13671_zpstxmbjko5.jpg View Quote That stove looks like it has secondary combustion baffles. |
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Last time I checked Kitchen wood ranges were exempt Clarion and Atlantic brands easiest to get parts for, the casting patterns are still around (Bryant Stove Works)
New ones on E-bay. Warner made a great heater, till early 80's If you want to make one, Warner is a good pattern. CORTEN (sp?) Steel 3/8" will a lifetime stove make, with firebrick down sides and end. |
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Jotul? I've got two. Awesome stoves. yup. f400 . i love it |
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Not my pic but this is the insert that I had installed in December, a Pacific Energy Neo 2.5: http://www.e-teplo.cz/__images/upload/products/max/pe_neo_ins_25_1.jpg View Quote How well does something like this work? |
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I really do think that the progressives desperately want to FORCE rural people to live in the cities by making their lives impossible. This, EPA water rules, etc.
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I really do think that the progressives desperately want to FORCE rural people to live in the cities by making their lives impossible. This, EPA water rules, etc. View Quote They can't control rural people in the same way they can control city dwellers- there is simply too much territory and too few Enforcement Resources. So yes, they absolutely want to force people into urban areas. |
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pretty much this, they will have one hell of a time trying to ban wood burners. I have a pot belly I need to put online just because. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Fuck the EPA. pretty much this, they will have one hell of a time trying to ban wood burners. I have a pot belly I need to put online just because. They gonna ban campfires too? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Not my pic but this is the insert that I had installed in December, a Pacific Energy Neo 2.5: http://www.e-teplo.cz/__images/upload/products/max/pe_neo_ins_25_1.jpg How well does something like this work? inserts aren't as good as a free standing stove, but 10 times better than a fireplace. if space is a problem the insert is great |
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I've got a preban Lopi sitting unused out in my pole barn. Who wants it? Cheap, shipping not included.
I replaced it with an EPA approved Vogelzang wood stove the last year I could get a government tax credit back on my taxes. Burns clean so that the only thing coming out of my chimney is steam that dissipates within a foot or two. Can't even smell it when it burns and I am outside. Once I get it fired up and going it keeps my house warm for an entire day. |
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I've got a preban Lopi sitting unused out in my pole barn. Who wants it? Cheap, shipping not included. I replaced it with an EPA approved Vogelzang wood stove the last year I could get a government tax credit back on my taxes. Burns clean so that the only thing coming out of my chimney is steam that dissipates within a foot or two. Can't even smell it when it burns and I am outside. Once I get it fired up and going it keeps my house warm for an entire day. View Quote i will never own a non epa stove. they burn clean and they burn long. mostly they use much less wood then an old fire breathing dragon |
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I've got a preban Lopi sitting unused out in my pole barn. Who wants it? Cheap, shipping not included. I replaced it with an EPA approved Vogelzang wood stove the last year I could get a government tax credit back on my taxes. Burns clean so that the only thing coming out of my chimney is steam that dissipates within a foot or two. Can't even smell it when it burns and I am outside. Once I get it fired up and going it keeps my house warm for an entire day. View Quote I won't take it for free, but I need/want one bad. I have to strike while the iron's hot so to speak, as my wife FINALLY wants one in our house. I have a Lopi at the cabin and LOVE the thing. I will drive to you to get it. Dead serious! |
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inserts aren't as good as a free standing stove, but 10 times better than a fireplace. if space is a problem the insert is great View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not my pic but this is the insert that I had installed in December, a Pacific Energy Neo 2.5: http://www.e-teplo.cz/__images/upload/products/max/pe_neo_ins_25_1.jpg How well does something like this work? inserts aren't as good as a free standing stove, but 10 times better than a fireplace. if space is a problem the insert is great Usually they are a "solution" for a fireplace. Fireplaces flat suck for heating but if you have one there aren't a lot of options to make it better- almost nobody tears out a huge brick fireplace and the whole chimney....the best/cheapest solution is an insert. |
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Quoted: How well does something like this work? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Not my pic but this is the insert that I had installed in December, a Pacific Energy Neo 2.5: http://www.e-teplo.cz/__images/upload/products/max/pe_neo_ins_25_1.jpg How well does something like this work? It works very well. It doesn't put out as much heat as a freestanding stove but with seasoned wood it heats my 2500 square foot (with drafty old windows) house pretty well. The blower isn't very loud, and I have a ceiling fan in the fireplace room set to pull air up, which helps the flow through the rest of the downstairs. Once it gets to the staircase, the warm air flows upward and the upstairs hallway (and bedrooms so long as their doors are open) get pretty warm. |
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Usually they are a "solution" for a fireplace. Fireplaces flat suck for heating but if you have one there aren't a lot of options to make it better- almost nobody tears out a huge brick fireplace and the whole chimney....the best/cheapest solution is an insert. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not my pic but this is the insert that I had installed in December, a Pacific Energy Neo 2.5: http://www.e-teplo.cz/__images/upload/products/max/pe_neo_ins_25_1.jpg How well does something like this work? inserts aren't as good as a free standing stove, but 10 times better than a fireplace. if space is a problem the insert is great Usually they are a "solution" for a fireplace. Fireplaces flat suck for heating but if you have one there aren't a lot of options to make it better- almost nobody tears out a huge brick fireplace and the whole chimney....the best/cheapest solution is an insert. well you can put a freestanding stove in front of a fireplace and use the existing chimney. a bit more work, but a better heating option then an insert |
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Half the homes in my AO are heated with wood. There's no list with exact numbers, but I see the chimneys, outside stoves and wood piles as I drive around. Many of them nice homes, not shacks out in the woods.
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That's what I mean by secondary combustion. The smoke burning actually produces more heat than the wood burning. When it starts, the difference in temperature of the air coming out is noticeable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I'm against government mandates like this. However, when I get the secondary combustion going on my new Pacific Energy insert, it burns hotter and slower than the old Buck Stove that it replaced. In other words, the emissions reduction technology actually does make it heat better and wood lasts longer. But it should be a choice, not a requirement. My wood burning insert, once it reaches the proper temperature, burns incredibly clean. The smoke actually burns. No visible smoke comes out the chimney. My pellet stove, however, does whatever it does. That's what I mean by secondary combustion. The smoke burning actually produces more heat than the wood burning. When it starts, the difference in temperature of the air coming out is noticeable. Right on! You can actually get more heat with the newer design AND burn other woods safely that would otherwise lead to creosote and chimney fires. Insurance has a reason to be glad about this. I'm ok with the new stove mandates...I am not ok with restricting people from using firewood. |
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Quoted: i will never own a non epa stove. they burn clean and they burn long. mostly they use much less wood then an old fire breathing dragon View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I've got a preban Lopi sitting unused out in my pole barn. Who wants it? Cheap, shipping not included. I replaced it with an EPA approved Vogelzang wood stove the last year I could get a government tax credit back on my taxes. Burns clean so that the only thing coming out of my chimney is steam that dissipates within a foot or two. Can't even smell it when it burns and I am outside. Once I get it fired up and going it keeps my house warm for an entire day. i will never own a non epa stove. they burn clean and they burn long. mostly they use much less wood then an old fire breathing dragon Yep. My house came with a 30ish year old Buck Stove insert without a liner which I had to replace as no chimneysweep would clean my chimney with it in place since they're not up to code. If I kept it jammed it full of dry wood the Buck would heat the house a little quicker than the new insert, but it would use 3 times the wood to do so. |
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Quoted: well you can put a freestanding stove in front of a fireplace and use the existing chimney. a bit more work, but a better heating option then an insert View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not my pic but this is the insert that I had installed in December, a Pacific Energy Neo 2.5: http://www.e-teplo.cz/__images/upload/products/max/pe_neo_ins_25_1.jpg How well does something like this work? inserts aren't as good as a free standing stove, but 10 times better than a fireplace. if space is a problem the insert is great Usually they are a "solution" for a fireplace. Fireplaces flat suck for heating but if you have one there aren't a lot of options to make it better- almost nobody tears out a huge brick fireplace and the whole chimney....the best/cheapest solution is an insert. well you can put a freestanding stove in front of a fireplace and use the existing chimney. a bit more work, but a better heating option then an insert No way my wife would agree to something like that. |
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Wood is the most common heat source for most of the poor people up here in northern appalachia. Congrats democrats. |
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Quoted: Usually they are a "solution" for a fireplace. Fireplaces flat suck for heating but if you have one there aren't a lot of options to make it better- almost nobody tears out a huge brick fireplace and the whole chimney....the best/cheapest solution is an insert. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not my pic but this is the insert that I had installed in December, a Pacific Energy Neo 2.5: http://www.e-teplo.cz/__images/upload/products/max/pe_neo_ins_25_1.jpg How well does something like this work? inserts aren't as good as a free standing stove, but 10 times better than a fireplace. if space is a problem the insert is great Usually they are a "solution" for a fireplace. Fireplaces flat suck for heating but if you have one there aren't a lot of options to make it better- almost nobody tears out a huge brick fireplace and the whole chimney....the best/cheapest solution is an insert. Meh. They're not ideal but I wouldn't say they flat suck. I use my insert to replace my gas forced air heat when my wife and/or I are home to reduce costs and it works really well. My FIL uses wood a wood insert exclusively for his house (2200ish square feet) and it works extremely well. He's got a 40x40 corrugated steel barn filled with seasoned wood though. |
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Quoted: Right on! You can actually get more heat with the newer design AND burn other woods safely that would otherwise lead to creosote and chimney fires. Insurance has a reason to be glad about this. I'm ok with the new stove mandates...I am not ok with restricting people from using firewood. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm against government mandates like this. However, when I get the secondary combustion going on my new Pacific Energy insert, it burns hotter and slower than the old Buck Stove that it replaced. In other words, the emissions reduction technology actually does make it heat better and wood lasts longer. But it should be a choice, not a requirement. My wood burning insert, once it reaches the proper temperature, burns incredibly clean. The smoke actually burns. No visible smoke comes out the chimney. My pellet stove, however, does whatever it does. That's what I mean by secondary combustion. The smoke burning actually produces more heat than the wood burning. When it starts, the difference in temperature of the air coming out is noticeable. Right on! You can actually get more heat with the newer design AND burn other woods safely that would otherwise lead to creosote and chimney fires. Insurance has a reason to be glad about this. I'm ok with the new stove mandates...I am not ok with restricting people from using firewood. It's like finding a unicorn - a federal mandate that actually improves something rather than making it useless (I was thinking of CARB compliant gas cans when I typed that). |
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Fuggem. Aint even that cold today but I'll toss another tire in the preban stove in their honor.
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Meh. They're not ideal but I wouldn't say they flat suck. I use my insert to replace my gas forced air heat when my wife and/or I are home to reduce costs and it works really well. My FIL uses wood a wood insert exclusively for his house (2200ish square feet) and it works extremely well. He's got a 40x40 corrugated steel barn filled with seasoned wood though. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Not my pic but this is the insert that I had installed in December, a Pacific Energy Neo 2.5: http://www.e-teplo.cz/__images/upload/products/max/pe_neo_ins_25_1.jpg How well does something like this work? inserts aren't as good as a free standing stove, but 10 times better than a fireplace. if space is a problem the insert is great Usually they are a "solution" for a fireplace. Fireplaces flat suck for heating but if you have one there aren't a lot of options to make it better- almost nobody tears out a huge brick fireplace and the whole chimney....the best/cheapest solution is an insert. Meh. They're not ideal but I wouldn't say they flat suck. I use my insert to replace my gas forced air heat when my wife and/or I are home to reduce costs and it works really well. My FIL uses wood a wood insert exclusively for his house (2200ish square feet) and it works extremely well. He's got a 40x40 corrugated steel barn filled with seasoned wood though. i would have put one in if we had a chimney/ fireplace in our house, but we didn't so we went the freestanding route. funny, this started out as a bash the epa thread and now has ended up as a " i love my epa stove " thread |
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meh, i had to scrap the T&E on this one, come to find out politicians blow more hot air than all the wood burning stoves in America.
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Why do you think the EPA is armed..... Meet my BBQ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/phatmax/20151215_191138_zpsf4y1kaxp.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/phatmax/20160110_142053_zpslzuulyw6.jpg Meet my BBQ Gun http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/phatmax/20160127_223101_zpsdryohv3l.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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BBQ's will be next. Why do you think the EPA is armed..... Meet my BBQ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/phatmax/20151215_191138_zpsf4y1kaxp.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/phatmax/20160110_142053_zpslzuulyw6.jpg Meet my BBQ Gun http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v456/phatmax/20160127_223101_zpsdryohv3l.jpg Even in good 'ol California on Spare-The-Air-Days (inversion layer traps smoke) BBQ's are exempt from wood burning bans, as they are for cooking food. I think it's because some businesses use wood to cook (wood fired pizza places for example). |
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<a href="http://s8.photobucket.com/user/MakarovshooterinAZ/media/100_1728.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a18/MakarovshooterinAZ/100_1728.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've got a preban Lopi sitting unused out in my pole barn. Who wants it? Cheap, shipping not included. I replaced it with an EPA approved Vogelzang wood stove the last year I could get a government tax credit back on my taxes. Burns clean so that the only thing coming out of my chimney is steam that dissipates within a foot or two. Can't even smell it when it burns and I am outside. Once I get it fired up and going it keeps my house warm for an entire day. I won't take it for free, but I need/want one bad. I have to strike while the iron's hot so to speak, as my wife FINALLY wants one in our house. I have a Lopi at the cabin and LOVE the thing. I will drive to you to get it. Dead serious! <a href="http://s8.photobucket.com/user/MakarovshooterinAZ/media/100_1728.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a18/MakarovshooterinAZ/100_1728.jpg</a> Perfect! |
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May all EPA officials die in an accidental SMOKEY AND FIERY death.
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well you can put a freestanding stove in front of a fireplace and use the existing chimney. a bit more work, but a better heating option then an insert View Quote And generally with the large "fireplace hole" behind them they look like shit....just a personal observation. Frequently too you have to build a new "pedestal" to put the stove on- which almost NEVER matches the original brick work....It just looks cobbled. The insert is a clean installation, the other way to do it? Tear that shit all out and put in a chimney for freestanding stove- but that's a hell of a lot of work and expense. |
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well you can put a freestanding stove in front of a fireplace and use the existing chimney. a bit more work, but a better heating option then an insert And generally with the large "fireplace hole" behind them they look like shit....just a personal observation. Frequently too you have to build a new "pedestal" to put the stove on- which almost NEVER matches the original brick work....It just looks cobbled. The insert is a clean installation, the other way to do it? Tear that shit all out and put in a chimney for freestanding stove- but that's a hell of a lot of work and expense. its not all that bad https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c6/a1/c3/c6a1c316a6c1e5c2fc2f21c46f26eee5.jpg That looks great! |
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well you can put a freestanding stove in front of a fireplace and use the existing chimney. a bit more work, but a better heating option then an insert And generally with the large "fireplace hole" behind them they look like shit....just a personal observation. Frequently too you have to build a new "pedestal" to put the stove on- which almost NEVER matches the original brick work....It just looks cobbled. The insert is a clean installation, the other way to do it? Tear that shit all out and put in a chimney for freestanding stove- but that's a hell of a lot of work and expense. its not all that bad https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/c6/a1/c3/c6a1c316a6c1e5c2fc2f21c46f26eee5.jpg That looks great! Probably the best example I've seen, very nice, but generally not representative of how it's done. Most that I have seen are further out from the original fireplace and just leave a giant hole behind them, the "pedestal" looks tacked on etc....that one is admittedly pretty good. |
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Quoted: inserts aren't as good as a free standing stove, but 10 times better than a fireplace. if space is a problem the insert is great View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not my pic but this is the insert that I had installed in December, a Pacific Energy Neo 2.5: http://www.e-teplo.cz/__images/upload/products/max/pe_neo_ins_25_1.jpg How well does something like this work? inserts aren't as good as a free standing stove, but 10 times better than a fireplace. if space is a problem the insert is great |
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My fireplace also has a nook on the left fora small stove. Only problem is the size. The chimney is all masonry to the crown, 2 feet wide and 10 feet long. So I could install another flue and have two wood heat sources.
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Quoted: I won't take it for free, but I need/want one bad. I have to strike while the iron's hot so to speak, as my wife FINALLY wants one in our house. I have a Lopi at the cabin and LOVE the thing. I will drive to you to get it. Dead serious! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I've got a preban Lopi sitting unused out in my pole barn. Who wants it? Cheap, shipping not included. I replaced it with an EPA approved Vogelzang wood stove the last year I could get a government tax credit back on my taxes. Burns clean so that the only thing coming out of my chimney is steam that dissipates within a foot or two. Can't even smell it when it burns and I am outside. Once I get it fired up and going it keeps my house warm for an entire day. I won't take it for free, but I need/want one bad. I have to strike while the iron's hot so to speak, as my wife FINALLY wants one in our house. I have a Lopi at the cabin and LOVE the thing. I will drive to you to get it. Dead serious! I got a Lopi Republic 1250 7 years ago and love it. Scored it on sale from a local place because they used it once for 3 days as a demo at a fair. |
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