I still don't, and I don't think I want to either.

Take gingerbread cookies and sugar cookies. Bake them until they're dry. Crush them into dust. Add butter. Add Flour. Add Sugar. You have cookie butter.

It's big in Germany so...Naturally...

Wtf is cookie butter?  Is it hair gel or like duck butter?

Take gingerbread cookies and sugar cookies. Bake them until they're dry. Crush them into dust. Add butter. Add Flour. Add Sugar. You have cookie butter.

It's big in Germany so...Naturally...

Only if I deliberately leave it out for people.

We had the community box in my Platoons tent, Everyone donated to the cause, that's why most wives etc included extra stuff. Last deployment 20% was for me and the rest went to my platoon. Why wouldn't you share stuff with the guys you fight beside?

My only issue was my dudes bumming all my smokes, so when I bought a carton I just said make it two

Damn,
I heard some stories, but that's crazy. How do you write off a M240 and some NODs? Had I done that chances are I would have been relieved on the spot, and then sitting behind a laptop in S-3.

In the SEAL community culture, they are taught from almost Day 1 that normal US military rules are to be broken as SOP, because whoever came up with them is not as gifted as them and since they've been called in ("This came across our desk."), they are entitled to conduct business as they see fit.

I've gone blue in the face talking about instances that would land any other soldier or Marine I know into serious UCMJ territory, but for them seems to be a badge of honor.

This includes:

* loss of sensitive items inside and outside of multiple FOBs covering decades,
* fratricide,
* failure to deconflict the fires assets in a particular AOR,
* safety issues regarding airborne and dive operations (no 10, 5, 1 minute warnings on jumps, last second static line hook-up before exiting the bird with no warning to joint units on the jump when they "JM"d that portion of the exercise),
* failure to secure loose items on rucksacks and equipment on jumps or dives,
* atrocious CQM and CQB behavior (flagging dudes in the back of their heads or kit regularly with that muzzle up Sally retardation and lax discipline)
* Failure to inspect ropers on rotary wing rappels for knives on brake hand side of kit, followed by the predictable rope sever and SEAL falling to the earth from 90ft, massive tip/fib fracture and broken limbs, end of career
* Leaving sidearm (SiG P226) in a port-a-john on a FOB
* Taking ruggedized laptops on missions with the plans for the new US Embassy in Afghanistan, as well as HUMINT assets files in Pakistan and CENTCOM plus collection methods, laptop was acquired by Pakistani ISI and Taliban after those SEALs were KIA in Red Wings
* Getting their whole Platoon killed on QRF slot

It's like some organization with no formal dismounted, airborne, or patrolling skills watched Hollywood movies and used those as a basis for how to run operations.  Even in the skill sets where they should excel in the water, they do basic noob crap that increases the likelihood of safety issues.  Then they brag about how 25% of the guys to their left and right will no longer be alive after completion of BUD/S & SQTs.

All it takes is a culture where practical military discipline is shunned and egos rule the roost, fueled by copious beer consumption.

Every unit I was in required hands-on weapon accountability, with at least a guard if the rest of us were going to chow with minimal weapons on-person (leave crew-served at the tents/huts).

SEALs?  Just order some more.   Their budget is basically whatever they want.

Of course - you can share anything you want, didn’t suggest otherwise.

The prosecution playing dirty pool doesn't mean Gallagher is innocent.

A entire team doesn't turn against a guy because of hurt feelz or missing hair gel from a care package.

And a big fuck you to anyone who makes the 'unrestricted war' or 'take the leash off' type remarks. Taking sniper shots at random kids and old men you scope from a guard tower is not 'taking the leash off', it's straight up attempted murder. We hung guys guys in WW2 for murdering little girls. I'm perfectly OK with hanging a dude who tried to murder a little girl in Iraq.

He had reported the entire unit for being shit.

They had more than enough motive to turn on him.

you'd be surprised what prima donnas will do over hurt feelings or "disrespect."  Taking something from a care package can easily be the straw that broke the camel's back.

So you're saying SEALs are weak bitches that have no integrity or esprit de corps or that Eddie is unfit to be a SEAL and/or leader or both

He wasn't saying all SEALs are like that.  But it is within the realm of possibility that a critical mass of primadonnas within a small unit, even an elite unit, can turn enough of that unit against the leader to make the leader's life hell.

Especially if it's a bunch of Millennials whining and bitching on their social media channels.

Just because they can shoot good and make it thru the SEAL pipeline doesn't mean they cannot also be petty if offended, especially the Millennials.

They’d have been washed out if they were like that.

Maybe 10 years ago...A lot has changed.

the ones I got from my Dad were packed in popcorn

we ate the popcorn first, then the rest disappeared

I never bitched, some guys never got anything

the ones I got from my brother, I grabbed the good wine, shared the rest with everybody else

you should read up on the changes to the SF pipeline, including SFAS.  Their rapid expansion has led SWC to pass people who normally would be washed out for PT, land nav, etc.  The math is simple:  You cannot rapidly expand those units without lowering previous standards.

It wasn't the entire Team that turned on him. It was 3-4 non performers, that he called out, from the platoon that he was leading.

And this right here is the big reason behind this bullshit case with Eddie. Contrary to popular belief, there IS leadership trying to corral the out of control culture. They are branded as hard asses and "combat ineffective" and in an effort to ship him to another platoon or prevent Eddie's assignment to TRADET, they torpedo him. But, the shit winds of the shit storm blew outside the command. So, here we are.

I hear its delicious.

And who says they were nonperformers? They guy accused of shooting random little girls. The OIC was on the stand and testified already, he never called them nonperformers.

correction, asst OIC.

So because the OIC didn’t, means they weren’t underperforming?

I have yet to see a real accusation that he killed kids.

Your knowledge of team etiquette is fascinating!

Tell me more!

@LRRPF52

My experience involves the intentional loss of several fully outfitted SOF variant RG-31s to ANSOF. They signed them over to their partnered forces it’s the single worst event I’ve ever experienced in my military career. We assume they were sold to ISI, complete with all CIED and radio packages.

A 240? NODS? Lol... while you were in Kandahar with the 82nd I was dealing with the biggest FLIPL in USSOCOM history, right down the road. It was worse than I can possibly describe, and it was all perpetuated by NSW.

OK, I'm asking, neither defending or attacking this seal.  The "psycho showoff" part of this seal's personality that you mention would seem that it should have resulted in some recorded incidents of fellow soldiers being killed or injured due to radical decision making on his part.  With 8 deployments one would think there would be some smoke with this fire.  Are there reports or incidents of soldiers around or under him being injured/killed in a reckless manner due to his leadership or participation?  That kind of thing is usually well recorded.

Since I don't see proof of military service next to your name, I'll give you the same advice I give all the new idiot privates who run their mouths about shit they don't understand; Shut up, sit down and listen.

All the shit you hear about non performers and disgruntled new guys in the news comes from one source: Gallagher and his family and lawyers. Everything you hear about Gallagher stabbing a prisoner in the neck and shooting at unarmed old men and girls comes from multiple sources. All the shit about Gallagher threatening teammates, which is the reason he was put in pretrial confinement and why he was denied access to electronic devices when Trump ordered him released, comes from multiple witnesses and verified text and social media communications. There are Seal and former Seal NCOs with 7-10 years time in service testifying against him. That's not a couple butthurt new guys. That's junior leaders in the teams seeing bad shit happen and testifying about it.

What's more likely, that multiple 'disgruntled' Seals conducted a conspiracy so well planned and executed that the entire Navy fell for it, or one guy went out of control, a little at a time, and his leadership covered for him until it got too big and serious and NCIS got involved?

Yeah, the Navy prosecutor played dirty pool with the email tracker. That doesn't mean that stabby eddie is innocent.

This kind of shit always starts small, with minor incidents that senior leadership ignore or cover up because it's a 'good guy doing good work'. Then it starts to worse and worse until you have a dude going to a guard tower to shoot random Iraqis.

Just as a minor point here -- the email thing was exactly nothing.  It's nothing more than idiots putting a picture in an email and other idiots pretending to be outraged and calling it malware and spying on them and all kinds of other bullshit when it wasn't.

Military/LEO instructor. Contractor.

See where it says instructor? Purposefully don’t have a branch up there.

Deal with this on the daily, see this on the daily from green teams.

Anything else?

What the fuck does that dumbfuck word salad even mean.

It means I’m a vegan.

Any service downrange with SOCOM? Didn't think so, otherwise you would have led with that. Guys like you always do.

Pardon for not caring if you teach some MPs how to not shoot themselves in the foot on occasion. John Burns was more SOCOM than you.

Lol.

‘Guys like you always do’.

Wow.

Okay.

You win, bro.

What experience do you have instructing "green teams"?

Which "green teams"?

nvm

What about the helmet cam that the prosecution has withheld?

What about it?

Nobody here has seen it. For all we know, the helmet cam shows nothing of importance to the trial but some other classified info that the gov doesn't want disclosed. Or it shows that Stabby Eddie didn't do anything wrong. As much as I despise just about all Mil lawyers and 'investigators' if there was video evidence of his innocence, they wouldn't cover it up. They'd have used it to quash this whole thing before it hit the news.

All we know about the case comes from gov documents, pre trial records (such as texts from him threatening witnesses), testimony that just started (where a LT stated under oath Gallagher threatened him), and a shitload of news articles based on Stabby Eddies brother and wife running their mouth. And since neither of them were there either, every single pro Gallagher piece of info released so far has come from Gallagher.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/By6s0vBArBx

Interesting.  At the end of the video, Gallagher’s attorney makes note that one of his accusers, Chief Miller was one of the Lake Arthur “Reserve” officers

There was a huge budget and effort that went into the CIED technology.  I think even DARPA was involved IIRC.  If Pakistani ISI got a hold of that, then Chinese are likely to have as well.  There is a lot of dual military-use tech in there.

Doesn't surprise me though.  There are elements within the IC that started labeling their classified products with NOSEAL/NOFORN in CENTCOM due to egregious compromises of sources and methods from NSW.  They have a habit of not only getting friendly assets killed, but coalition forces and their own elements as well.

Back to this case.  It's interesting that at least one of the accusers is already out of the Navy and wasn't high enough rank for retirement (it's very common in the SEAL community for dudes to get out after 1-2 enlistments though).  Gallagher hasn't been in confinement for that long.  Did this accuser ETS because of being a non-performer, worried about being charged with war crimes of his own, or normal reasons SEALs get out (#1 being OPTEMPO on the Teams being too hard for most people, families, etc.)?

I also find it interesting from a legal perspective how generalized and non-specific their accusations are.

Every piece of UCMJ I've seen cites a date time group for starters, not just a month or a day, and also specifies locations.  If a weapon system was involved, that weapon system will be called out by type.  Instead, we see a very generalized description of events.

A lot of the stuff I've seen him accused of is common to SEALs, though not war crimes.  A lot of the witnesses have pleaded the 5th.  Several of them were coerced into making statements supportive of the prosecution.

I'm also seeing a lot of window dressing type allegations that aren't crimes, instead of focusing on the meat of actual war crimes.  They're saying things like, "He wasn't really that good of a sniper."  "He called a dead prisoner a dirt bag."



There are a lot of, "I believe he shot at someone but didn't see it personally."

Navy Times:  Gallagher called dead ISIS fighter a dirtbag

Maybe these guys were on an unchecked rampage looking for any targets of opportunity in Mosul, which was a major offensive mainly driven by the Iraqis.  Thousands died in Mosul with the offensive against ISIS.  Maybe Chief Gallagher really did do the things they accuse him of.  Maybe most of them crossed the line a little bit when the gloves came off in the Mosul offensive.

So far, we've seen nothing concrete as to the allegations, and the main claims of war crimes seem trumped up in retrospect, which makes the little junior HS girl chat ring story sound more plausible to me knowing what I know about how SEALs do business.

I'll bet there is a lot more that went on during these deployments and all of these guys don't want anymore spotlight.

Being reckless in their tactics is actually very common and endemic to SEALs in my experience:

*  Lack of noise, light, litter discipline
*  Lack of basic Skill Level 1 task mastery for movement
* Firing hand off weapon when signaling
* Laziness
* Thinking they're on a movie set
* Lack of muzzle discipline
* Trudging through the woods and urban environments as if they own the place
* Looking to make contact even on Recon missions
* Lack of fire discipline with belt-feds
* Not employing the appropriate amount of personnel and weapons systems for specific mission sets (too little usually or too few people with the wrong weapons like M60E3s on 6-man Point TGT Recce)

This is why I find it odd that more junior SEALs are window-dressing their claims against a Chief (E-7) doing what is normal on Teams.

A key witness in the case says he asphyxiated the ISIS terrorist by occluding his breathing tube, not Gallagher, who did stab him.

Thousands died in the October 2016 to March 2017 Battle of Mosul:

Another link

https://www.foxnews.com/us/medic-testifies-that-he-not-navy-seal-eddie-gallagher-was-responsible-for-isis-fighters-death

I have never seen that marking.  Never heard about it either, which I find kind of odd...

ETA: And if that marking came through my hands when I worked at the SOTF level, I would have ignored the unauthorized marking and distro'd as needed.  They can mark it ORCON if they want to limit it.

"...he put us in danger..."

BWAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAH, ah fuck I'm dying here

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