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Posted: 12/15/2015 12:53:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There is precisely ZERO data on whether these small UAS would cause ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER! There have been two "studies" that did some computer simulations that showed severe damage if a 55lb. (not .55, 55lb) drone were to get sucked into an engine at 725mph. So, my question is: my little quadcopter has about 10 minutes of flight time. Exactly how do I get that unit up to ~39,000ft which is the only place a commercial airliner could come close to 725mph? It's the most absurd thing I've ever seen. And, that Bard College report released today along with this purporting to show the incredible risk of sUAS is complete and utter garbage. Those two "professors" should have their tenure revoked for incompetent analysis. I hope they don't teach there, those students will be handicapped when they enter the workforce if they do. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It takes away their anonymity to a degree. If they are flying where they shouldn't and someone manages to get the tail number, or, if their drone goes down while doing something untoward, it will be much easier to find the errant hobbyist. Yeah... And after going through a jet engine and the ensuing fire, the number written in pencil inside the battery compartment will be clearly legible! Be quiet! Keep talking like that and we will have to pack them full of little foil paper tags like a damn taser cartridge.  There is precisely ZERO data on whether these small UAS would cause ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER! There have been two "studies" that did some computer simulations that showed severe damage if a 55lb. (not .55, 55lb) drone were to get sucked into an engine at 725mph. So, my question is: my little quadcopter has about 10 minutes of flight time. Exactly how do I get that unit up to ~39,000ft which is the only place a commercial airliner could come close to 725mph? It's the most absurd thing I've ever seen. And, that Bard College report released today along with this purporting to show the incredible risk of sUAS is complete and utter garbage. Those two "professors" should have their tenure revoked for incompetent analysis. I hope they don't teach there, those students will be handicapped when they enter the workforce if they do. you'd have better chances of shooting sub MOA at 1,000 yards with a 9m pistol than flying a 12"X12" quadcopter into the intake of an aircraft at XX,XXX ft in altitude traveling at whatever speed occupying god-only-knows whatever the utmost random area in space at any given time.. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 12:56:04 AM EDT
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The law doesn't specify the size of the N number. So three millionths of an inch it is, then.
Upon cursory inspection, the "aircraft" will appear to be unlabeled, and it will be added to a long list of unsolved crimes. Should the man trace it back to you somehow, you're covered under that law, because you properly labeled your "aircraft". |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:02:40 AM EDT
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There is precisely ZERO data on whether these small UAS would cause ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER! There have been two "studies" that did some computer simulations that showed severe damage if a 55lb. (not .55, 55lb) drone were to get sucked into an engine at 725mph. So, my question is: my little quadcopter has about 10 minutes of flight time. Exactly how do I get that unit up to ~39,000ft which is the only place a commercial airliner could come close to 725mph? It's the most absurd thing I've ever seen. And, that Bard College report released today along with this purporting to show the incredible risk of sUAS is complete and utter garbage. Those two "professors" should have their tenure revoked for incompetent analysis. I hope they don't teach there, those students will be handicapped when they enter the workforce if they do. Would you be willing to sit on a plane knowing it was going to fly through a flock of quadcopters on climb out? |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:03:10 AM EDT
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So is this new registration just for quadcopters.......or will I have to register all of my RC planes and Helicopters also??? ALL R/C aircraft  
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:04:37 AM EDT
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Do I have to register my lawnmower?
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:05:01 AM EDT
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you'd have better chances of shooting sub MOA at 1,000 yards with a 9m pistol than flying a 12"X12" quadcopter into the intake of an aircraft at XX,XXX ft in altitude traveling at whatever speed occupying god-only-knows whatever the utmost random area in space at any given time.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Be quiet! Keep talking like that and we will have to pack them full of little foil paper tags like a damn taser cartridge. There is precisely ZERO data on whether these small UAS would cause ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER! There have been two "studies" that did some computer simulations that showed severe damage if a 55lb. (not .55, 55lb) drone were to get sucked into an engine at 725mph. So, my question is: my little quadcopter has about 10 minutes of flight time. Exactly how do I get that unit up to ~39,000ft which is the only place a commercial airliner could come close to 725mph? It's the most absurd thing I've ever seen. And, that Bard College report released today along with this purporting to show the incredible risk of sUAS is complete and utter garbage. Those two "professors" should have their tenure revoked for incompetent analysis. I hope they don't teach there, those students will be handicapped when they enter the workforce if they do. you'd have better chances of shooting sub MOA at 1,000 yards with a 9m pistol than flying a 12"X12" quadcopter into the intake of an aircraft at XX,XXX ft in altitude traveling at whatever speed occupying god-only-knows whatever the utmost random area in space at any given time.. The only significant threat I could see would be decently sized RC aircraft being flown near airports or other areas with low flying aircraft like helicopters or aircraft operating on MTRs (military low-level routes). Most likely scenario I could see actually causing damage, injury, and/or death is a small single-engine GA aircraft on final hitting one and being damaged while it's low and slow. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:05:37 AM EDT
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Yeah... And after going through a jet engine and the ensuing fire, the number written in pencil inside the battery compartment will be clearly legible! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It takes away their anonymity to a degree. If they are flying where they shouldn't and someone manages to get the tail number, or, if their drone goes down while doing something untoward, it will be much easier to find the errant hobbyist. Yeah... And after going through a jet engine and the ensuing fire, the number written in pencil inside the battery compartment will be clearly legible!  Good point. I'll give them this though - it's the most hilarious shit I've read in a while. I think I called ten people up tonight, telling them that I was going to buy them a felony for Christmas.
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:08:29 AM EDT
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Is the hobby self regulating still or are people doing stupid things with them? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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RC aircraft have always met the defination of aircraft in the FAR, there has just been an AC that spelled out the exemption for recreational RC aircraft. The problem is the idiots that have done idiot things with them. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No, that is not the problem. Is the hobby self regulating still or are people doing stupid things with them? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile  Kinda like guns, right? Criminals are to blame for gun control...?
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:15:04 AM EDT
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Kinda like guns, right? Criminals are to blame for gun control...?Even after this there is exactly zero chance anyone is going to fuck with you. Unless, to use your analogy, you walk into the back yard and start doing mag dumps into the air. But if if do you end up with a FSDO with a hair up his ass over your unregistered toy the FAA isn't going to take action on someone using theirs in close proximity to the ground over their property since they don't want the altitude floor more solidified in case law. ETA: Plus there's a bit of a difference since one is an enumerated right and the other has been regulated since just after Orville and Wilbur flipped a coin in Kitty Hawk. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:16:42 AM EDT
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This is fucking stupid.
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:22:57 AM EDT
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While the pisses me off, it is cheaper than the AMA membership that most RC people who fly with clubs already have
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:24:50 AM EDT
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According to the way it is written it look like anything that weighs over .55 lbs and flies can conceivably be considered in violation if not registered, theoretically this can cover even those giant foam planes you buy at walmart. Amazing a federal law requiring the registration of an entire aisle at Target
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:26:13 AM EDT
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Why am I not shocked people here support this.
Then they will bitch in the future when more restrictions are added on. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:27:47 AM EDT
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The only significant threat I could see would be decently sized RC aircraft being flown near airports or other areas with low flying aircraft like helicopters or aircraft operating on MTRs (military low-level routes). Most likely scenario I could see actually causing damage, injury, and/or death is a small single-engine GA aircraft on final hitting one and being damaged while it's low and slow. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Be quiet! Keep talking like that and we will have to pack them full of little foil paper tags like a damn taser cartridge. There is precisely ZERO data on whether these small UAS would cause ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER! There have been two "studies" that did some computer simulations that showed severe damage if a 55lb. (not .55, 55lb) drone were to get sucked into an engine at 725mph. So, my question is: my little quadcopter has about 10 minutes of flight time. Exactly how do I get that unit up to ~39,000ft which is the only place a commercial airliner could come close to 725mph? It's the most absurd thing I've ever seen. And, that Bard College report released today along with this purporting to show the incredible risk of sUAS is complete and utter garbage. Those two "professors" should have their tenure revoked for incompetent analysis. I hope they don't teach there, those students will be handicapped when they enter the workforce if they do. you'd have better chances of shooting sub MOA at 1,000 yards with a 9m pistol than flying a 12"X12" quadcopter into the intake of an aircraft at XX,XXX ft in altitude traveling at whatever speed occupying god-only-knows whatever the utmost random area in space at any given time.. The only significant threat I could see would be decently sized RC aircraft being flown near airports or other areas with low flying aircraft like helicopters or aircraft operating on MTRs (military low-level routes). Most likely scenario I could see actually causing damage, injury, and/or death is a small single-engine GA aircraft on final hitting one and being damaged while it's low and slow. Which was already illegal. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:28:30 AM EDT
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According to the way it is written it look like anything that weighs over .55 lbs and flies can conceivably be considered in violation if not registered, theoretically this can cover even those giant foam planes you buy at walmart. Amazing a federal law requiring the registration of an entire aisle at Target of toys designed for 7 year olds. FIFY |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:39:27 AM EDT
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According to the way it is written it look like anything that weighs over .55 lbs and flies can conceivably be considered in violation if not registered, theoretically this can cover even those giant foam planes you buy at walmart. Amazing a federal law requiring the registration of an entire aisle at Target of toys designed for 7 year olds. FIFY I see this going just like GMRS radios. There will be a little card in the box with rules and regulations and a mailing address for the FAA. It will get promptly thrown in the trash. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:40:16 AM EDT
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While the pisses me off, it is cheaper than the AMA membership that most RC people who fly with clubs already have But you still have to buy that AMA membership the club requires, if you want to fly on their field. Or if you want the insurance. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:47:30 AM EDT
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The C in RC stands for Control, does it not? Honest officer, look at my video, I had absolutely NO control of that drone before it crashed...if I had had control, it would not have crashed.. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 3:28:49 AM EDT
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I wish they hadn't done that.
Now I have to go out and buy one specifically for the purpose of not registering. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 3:47:31 AM EDT
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As a professional pilot who has a strong appreciation for controlling airspace and the dangers that RC copters/aircraft can present when being operated without any appreciation or understanding of said airspace.....this is ridiculous. I'd rather take my chance with a quadcopter through the engine on final than throw a few thousand kids in jail for 3 years because of their Christmas present. It's 1934 all over again. It happens literally all the time too... |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 4:05:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would you be willing to sit on a plane knowing it was going to fly through a flock of quadcopters on climb out? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is precisely ZERO data on whether these small UAS would cause ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER! There have been two "studies" that did some computer simulations that showed severe damage if a 55lb. (not .55, 55lb) drone were to get sucked into an engine at 725mph. So, my question is: my little quadcopter has about 10 minutes of flight time. Exactly how do I get that unit up to ~39,000ft which is the only place a commercial airliner could come close to 725mph? It's the most absurd thing I've ever seen. And, that Bard College report released today along with this purporting to show the incredible risk of sUAS is complete and utter garbage. Those two "professors" should have their tenure revoked for incompetent analysis. I hope they don't teach there, those students will be handicapped when they enter the workforce if they do. Would you be willing to sit on a plane knowing it was going to fly through a flock of quadcopters on climb out? Not me. But I would be willing to sit on a plane with this entire registration scheme thrown out. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 4:35:49 AM EDT
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I think when they have to clarify that paper airplanes and Frisbees don't need to be registered, it's gone too far.
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Posted: 12/15/2015 8:50:18 AM EDT
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I think when they have to clarify that paper airplanes and Frisbees don't need to be registered, it's gone too far. They did. There must be some sort of "control" to the aircraft. So paper airplanes and frisbees, even if they are over .55lbs, still do not need to be registered. Following that same logic, a 30lb freeflight model would not need to be registered, as there is no mechanism for "control". Continuing on with that logic, a kite over .55lbs WILL need to be registered. Because they did say that tethered aircraft are still required to register. And there is a mechanism for "control" by yanking the string. -J |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:13:51 AM EDT
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It's going to be operating in the red from the get go-cost is estimated 56 million over 5 years. Throw in a couple hundred thousand pilots actually registering (and I'm being generous), and at best, that would be 1 million bucks in revenue, not including the "free" signups. I don't think they even have an enforcement division for this. I mean, most of their FSDO/field staff are morons without actual aeronautical knowledge or even general aviation experience, from what I remember, and am still hearing about on the various flying groups. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anything over .55 pounds? So it apparently includes those cheap Air Hogs helicopters at Walmart? Yay, government! ETA-could we bankrupt the enforcement division if a shitload of us registered some? It's going to be operating in the red from the get go-cost is estimated 56 million over 5 years. Throw in a couple hundred thousand pilots actually registering (and I'm being generous), and at best, that would be 1 million bucks in revenue, not including the "free" signups. I don't think they even have an enforcement division for this. I mean, most of their FSDO/field staff are morons without actual aeronautical knowledge or even general aviation experience, from what I remember, and am still hearing about on the various flying groups. When has the government ever cared about operating in the red? No enforcement now,but I'm guessing like everything the gov does,it will be expanded on later. A few "close calls" from people with "unregistered" stuff,and they will be making the case for more people to enforce the "no fly" zones.And of course "terrorism". 
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:16:23 AM EDT
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Even after this there is exactly zero chance anyone is going to fuck with you. Unless, to use your analogy, you walk into the back yard and start doing mag dumps into the air. But if if do you end up with a FSDO with a hair up his ass over your unregistered toy the FAA isn't going to take action on someone using theirs in close proximity to the ground over their property since they don't want the altitude floor more solidified in case law. ETA: Plus there's a bit of a difference since one is an enumerated right and the other has been regulated since just after Orville and Wilbur flipped a coin in Kitty Hawk. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kinda like guns, right? Criminals are to blame for gun control...?Even after this there is exactly zero chance anyone is going to fuck with you. Unless, to use your analogy, you walk into the back yard and start doing mag dumps into the air. But if if do you end up with a FSDO with a hair up his ass over your unregistered toy the FAA isn't going to take action on someone using theirs in close proximity to the ground over their property since they don't want the altitude floor more solidified in case law. ETA: Plus there's a bit of a difference since one is an enumerated right and the other has been regulated since just after Orville and Wilbur flipped a coin in Kitty Hawk. You realize this was the argument used after the NFA was passed - and how it was for a few decades. Then, one day, suddenly all those rules that were never enforced started getting enforced. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:16:54 AM EDT
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I don't know why but I am literally laughing out loud at this post. I shouldn't be because this is depressing as hell and yet here I am. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Land of the free my ass. This is a well thought out plan by the government to defeat the terrorists. 1 They hate us for our freedoms 2 Take away as many freedoms as possible 3 Terrorists no longer hate us 4 Profit I don't know why but I am literally laughing out loud at this post. I shouldn't be because this is depressing as hell and yet here I am. Yeah,reality is depressing. I try to throw some humor in to try and lighten things up a little. Unfortunately,someday these will be the good old days.......
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:20:57 AM EDT
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You realize this was the argument used after the NFA was passed - and how it was for a few decades. Then, one day, suddenly all those rules that were never enforced started getting enforced. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Kinda like guns, right? Criminals are to blame for gun control...?Even after this there is exactly zero chance anyone is going to fuck with you. Unless, to use your analogy, you walk into the back yard and start doing mag dumps into the air. But if if do you end up with a FSDO with a hair up his ass over your unregistered toy the FAA isn't going to take action on someone using theirs in close proximity to the ground over their property since they don't want the altitude floor more solidified in case law. ETA: Plus there's a bit of a difference since one is an enumerated right and the other has been regulated since just after Orville and Wilbur flipped a coin in Kitty Hawk. You realize this was the argument used after the NFA was passed - and how it was for a few decades. Then, one day, suddenly all those rules that were never enforced started getting enforced. Yep,that's the beauty of it,sooner or later it gets enforced. Once it's on the books,it's only a matter of time..... |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:23:20 AM EDT
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What a joke, good luck enforcing that
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:24:16 AM EDT
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Congress passed a law SPECIFICALLY DENYING the FAA to have anything to do with model aircraft.
Yet the FAA is now using that same law and calling model aircraft UAS's to try to skirt the law. I for one, will not register. I highly doubt there will be many people registering either. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:34:01 AM EDT
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According to the way it is written it look like anything that weighs over .55 lbs and flies can conceivably be considered in violation if not registered, theoretically this can cover even those giant foam planes you buy at walmart. Amazing a federal law requiring the registration of an entire aisle at Target No, it does not cover those. Those do not have a ground control mechanism. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:34:24 AM EDT
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Would a dirigible quadcopter hybrid that weighs under 250 grams when inflated have to be registered?
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:52:05 AM EDT
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Would a dirigible quadcopter hybrid that weighs under 250 grams when inflated have to be registered? Better write a letter to the FAA tech branch. Maybe Sig will make a quadcopters stick that you can grab real quick when the FAA shows up. You can tell them you just hold it up in the air with the stick and pretend you are flying it. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 10:59:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Better write a letter to the FAA tech branch. Maybe Sig will make a quadcopters stick that you can grab real quick when the FAA shows up. You can tell them you just hold it up in the air with the stick and pretend you are flying it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Would a dirigible quadcopter hybrid that weighs under 250 grams when inflated have to be registered? Better write a letter to the FAA tech branch. Maybe Sig will make a quadcopters stick that you can grab real quick when the FAA shows up. You can tell them you just hold it up in the air with the stick and pretend you are flying it.  .This is how we know bureaucrats are liberal arts idiots and not STEM geeks. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:02:34 AM EDT
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They did say weight and used primary units of weight so if the dirigible quad must be inflated to fly, then its weight would be lighter than air so under 0.55 pounds...good to go .
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Would a dirigible quadcopter hybrid that weighs under 250 grams when inflated have to be registered? Better write a letter to the FAA tech branch. Maybe Sig will make a quadcopters stick that you can grab real quick when the FAA shows up. You can tell them you just hold it up in the air with the stick and pretend you are flying it. .
This is how we know bureaucrats are liberal arts idiots and not STEM geeks. After reading the shit the ATF pulls to try to make a gun fire more than once per trigger pull I figure the FAA will shoot it down with a BB gun then weigh it.
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:15:04 AM EDT
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Your argument is that someone should get a commercial ticket so they can take a pic from 50' AGL with a little quad or not get in trouble for having ads on a YouTube video of FPV racing. Do you grasp the logical fallacy there? That's akin saying that only when you go to med school, can you be qualified to cut off a hangnail. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think some of you guys are missing the upside to all of this. I'm a recognized pilot now! Chicks dig pilots! No you aren't. If you get an actual rating so that you can do stuff with your drone commercially, then maybe. Your argument is that someone should get a commercial ticket so they can take a pic from 50' AGL with a little quad or not get in trouble for having ads on a YouTube video of FPV racing. Do you grasp the logical fallacy there? That's akin saying that only when you go to med school, can you be qualified to cut off a hangnail. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile ReconB4, the FAA just made a ruling that did in fact make people who own and operate Pilots in the eyes of the gov. Don't shoot the messenger, and lighten up Francis. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:17:10 AM EDT
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After reading the shit the ATF pulls to try to make a gun fire more than once per trigger pull I figure the FAA will shoot it down with a BB gun then weigh it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Would a dirigible quadcopter hybrid that weighs under 250 grams when inflated have to be registered? Better write a letter to the FAA tech branch. Maybe Sig will make a quadcopters stick that you can grab real quick when the FAA shows up. You can tell them you just hold it up in the air with the stick and pretend you are flying it. .
This is how we know bureaucrats are liberal arts idiots and not STEM geeks. After reading the shit the ATF pulls to try to make a gun fire more than once per trigger pull I figure the FAA will shoot it down with a BB gun then weigh it. Once they shoot it it ain't flying it's falling. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:28:02 AM EDT
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Congress passed a law SPECIFICALLY DENYING the FAA to have anything to do with model aircraft. Yet the FAA is now using that same law and calling model aircraft UAS's to try to skirt the law. I for one, will not register. I highly doubt there will be many people registering either. Did someone already post the section of law dealing with this? I'd be interested in learning more. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:47:12 AM EDT
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I bet this is because all the people calling their Aircraft Drones.
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:50:28 AM EDT
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I like in the FAQs where it says, "registration promotes a culture of accountability." AWESOME let's register everything!!!!!!!!!!!!
Start with cigarettes then all the disgusting butts in the road can be traced to the litter bugs that throw them there.
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Posted: 12/15/2015 11:51:56 AM EDT
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I welcome the new regulations!
Seriously... regulate the @#$% out of everything Mr. Dot Gov. Regulate my bowel movements and my wife's periods. Let's see how you manage to keep track of all of that. I believe that we're about to see the machine break-down if it has to try to attempt any more micromanagement. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 12:06:56 PM EDT
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LAND OF THE FEE! kids playing with their rc quadcopters at the park, PAPERS PLEASE! Teaches them about what comes next. ..
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Posted: 12/15/2015 12:57:24 PM EDT
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The C in RC stands for Control, does it not? Honest officer, look at my video, I had absolutely NO control of that drone before it crashed...if I had had control, it would not have crashed.. Lmao - I've had a few of those moments Hell, I break a lot of parts with RC cars...
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:36:33 PM EDT
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Congress passed a law SPECIFICALLY DENYING the FAA to have anything to do with model aircraft. Yet the FAA is now using that same law and calling model aircraft UAS's to try to skirt the law. I for one, will not register. I highly doubt there will be many people registering either. They are trying to get around the law by regulating pilots, for now. Still violates the spirit of the law. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:47:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did someone already post the section of law dealing with this? I'd be interested in learning more. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Congress passed a law SPECIFICALLY DENYING the FAA to have anything to do with model aircraft. Yet the FAA is now using that same law and calling model aircraft UAS's to try to skirt the law. I for one, will not register. I highly doubt there will be many people registering either. Did someone already post the section of law dealing with this? I'd be interested in learning more. FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012, Section 336 SEC. 336. SPECIAL RULE FOR MODEL AIRCRAFT. (a) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding any other provision of law relating to the incorporation of unmanned aircraft systems into Federal Aviation Administration plans and policies, including this subtitle, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration may not promulgate any rule or regulation regarding a model aircraft, or an aircraft being developed as a model aircraft, if— (1) the aircraft is flown strictly for hobby or recreational use; (2) the aircraft is operated in accordance with a community-based set of safety guidelines and within the programming of a nationwide community-based organization; (3) the aircraft is limited to not more than 55 pounds unless otherwise certified through a design, construction, inspection, flight test, and operational safety program administered by a community-based organization; (4) the aircraft is operated in a manner that does not interfere with and gives way to any manned aircraft; and (5) when flown within 5 miles of an airport, the operator of the aircraft provides the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport) with prior notice of the operation (model aircraft operators flying from a permanent location within 5 miles of an airport should establish a mutually-agreed upon operating procedure with the airport operator and the airport air traffic control tower (when an air traffic facility is located at the airport)). (b) STATUTORY CONSTRUCTION.—Nothing in this section shall be construed to limit the authority of the Administrator to pursue enforcement action against persons operating model aircraft who endanger the safety of the national airspace system. (c) MODEL AIRCRAFT DEFINED.—In this section, the term ‘‘model aircraft’’ means an unmanned aircraft that is— (1) capable of sustained flight in the atmosphere; VerDate Mar 15 2010 03:52 Feb 04, 2012 Jkt 072595 PO 00000 Frm 00072 Fmt 6659 Sfmt 6603 E:\HR\OC\HR381.XXX HR381 pwalker on DSK7TPTVN1PROD with REPORTS 69 (2) flown within visual line of sight of the person operating the aircraft; and (3) flown for hobby or recreational purpose |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 1:58:33 PM EDT
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But you still have to buy that AMA membership the club requires, if you want to fly on their field. Or if you want the insurance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While the pisses me off, it is cheaper than the AMA membership that most RC people who fly with clubs already have But you still have to buy that AMA membership the club requires, if you want to fly on their field. Or if you want the insurance. Correct The registration will be of no good to you when you RC toy airplane or multicopter flies into and damages someone else's property or harms some person. You better have a big checking account then. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 2:25:02 PM EDT
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Correct The registration will be of no good to you when you RC toy airplane or multicopter flies into and damages someone else's property or harms some person. You better have a big checking account then. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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While the pisses me off, it is cheaper than the AMA membership that most RC people who fly with clubs already have But you still have to buy that AMA membership the club requires, if you want to fly on their field. Or if you want the insurance. Correct The registration will be of no good to you when you RC toy airplane or multicopter flies into and damages someone else's property or harms some person. You better have a big checking account then. Bingo I say a guy get sliced up bad from an RC Airplane prop If I recall there was a guy who got killed from a RD Helicopters rotor. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 3:17:05 PM EDT
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An unenforceable law is not a law. They can't even keep tabs on GA pilots how the hell are they going to regulate toys. Anyone who has dealt with the FAA knows they are a lot of bark with no bite.
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Posted: 12/15/2015 3:22:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An unenforceable law is not a law. They can't even keep tabs on GA pilots how the hell are they going to regulate toys. Anyone who has dealt with the FAA knows they are a lot of bark with no bite. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 4:01:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An unenforceable law is not a law. They can't even keep tabs on GA pilots how the hell are they going to regulate toys. Anyone who has dealt with the FAA knows they are a lot of bark with no bite. Their barking already cost me a good chunk of change in lawyer fees. They don't have to bite when the bark hurts that bad. |
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Posted: 12/15/2015 4:45:54 PM EDT
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You know how I know you are a DU mole? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think this is a good move. These things are dangerous and intrusive. I support increased restrictions to include height and distance limits from operators, prohibitions on recording equipment unless for approved commercial flights, and law enforcement kill switches. These things are far too common now. Very dangerous, plus the buzzing noise is annoying. They aren't protected by the constitution either, so no real obstacles to enacting some common sense restrictions and regulations. Trump 2016 You know how I know you are a DU mole? No doubt, troll. I for one will not comply. |
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