What's the kangaroo bot's obsession with the guy with the shemagh? It's really creepy as fuck.

Handing Democrats more Federal Judges, more Fed LE, and a relatively short fence in exchange for a DACA deal for illegals is not, "fighting the left."

It is handing the farm to the left.

It is what losing looks like.

It is what failing looks like.

Socialism is creeping forward. Socialism is destroying the American Republic. Socialism is what small government, pro-gun conservatives should fear...

You poor guy
Trump lives in your brain.

So metro...So liberal...So fail....

Romney added exemption language to the 1998 AWB... "Assault weapons" were legal, per Romneys pen hitting paper in 2004. Your point is false. Your post is false.

You are being disingenuous as to the serious nature of Romneys pro-gun coup in MA.

You have to down-play Romneys plain-English victory... To hide Trumps flagrant and blatant attacks on gun ownership and gun rights...

You read the article, but need an explanation on why MAs 1998 AWB is, "still there?" It is explained in the NRA link Link And it is explained in the GOAL link... Link

Romney was unable to over-turn the entire AWB? Trump has been unable to keep any of his campaign promises, and has pushed "Red Flag" legislation...

The truth... Romney over-turned the *worst* aspects of the permanent, comprehensive 1998 AWB with his 2004 law... The worst aspects of the 1998 AWB were not retractable buttstocks, or flash-hiders, or mag capacity... The *worst* aspect was the 1998 law criminalizing gun ownership over ****MISDEMEANORS***…

For consideration...

That's him in his dreams saving the liberals from Trump...

To bad for him reality is much, much different...

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That is a point I don't understand.

Trump supported and funded the worst of the Democrat Party for years and years.

Trump was hardcore anti-gun for years and years. Funded anti-gun efforts and candidates.

Trump was a formal, registered Democrat. Trump attacked Romney in 2012 alongside Obama over Romneys tough immigration stance.

And now Trump is offering Democrats a sweet, sweet deal on immigration, in exchange for a relatively short amount of fencing at the border. Trump imports foreign labor to work at his golf courses. The Chamber of Commerce, farms, dairies, meat production facilities, and construction jobs get Visas each year to import vast amounts of "legal" immigrants. They -literally- (actually, literally) drive them here on busses. Over 50% of them --EACH YEAR-- stay in the US, and don't return when their Visas expire. Trumps short fence is not going to stop that. And that is a large part of the illegal immigration problem.

Trump has taken a hard shift to the left on gun rights.

Trump is doing the bidding of the left on immigration, giving them more Judges, more Fed LE, and a sweet, sweet DACA deal...

Yeah, I think it is fair and honest to question Trumps failures on his campaign promises...

“I believe the people should have the right to bear arms, but I don’t believe that we have to have assault weapons as part of our personal arsenal,”. Mitt Romney

I do not work at NASA...

You got me. Business. Leavitt School of Business Management... Low-tier state school. Worked my way up in a blue-collar job.

And Romney (McCain, Flake, The NRA, Ryan, who whoever you blame for Trumps failures) does not live in yours? Lol, rofl. You rent space to Romney, and project on others...

Trump is currently pushing, "Red Flag" legislation...

Damn bro you been holding all that in waiting for the right moment to spring your TDS memes on us?

Bet it feels good to get all that out of your system.

It is how I picture Trumps, "take the guns first," "pathway to citizenship for illegals" followers.

All talk. No action.

All talk, no action on conservative ideals like locking Hillary up, and over-turning Obamacare, defending gun ownership  and balancing the budget...

Lots of talk, and plenty of action on criminalizing bumpstocks, and giving Democrats a deal on DACA...

OP is 13er loud and proud yo!

Damn bro.

Trumps, "take the guns first," followers are telling us that Trump is going to battle against liberals...

Liberals want more Federal Judges to enforce anti-gun laws... Trump is giving them that, in exchange for a short amount of fencing at the border.

Liberals want more Federal LE to enforce anti-gun laws... Trump is giving them that...

Liberals want more provisions for DACA illegals... Trump is giving them that...

Get your money back, then.

President Trump has fulfilled numerous promises, and has, in all likelihood, six more years to keep doing so.

It's way to early for the hysterical nancies to start crying.

, so much fail, you act just like the Antifa fucks when they don't get their way.....You never trumpers should have spent the last 3 years finding a better candidate that stood a chance  of winning versus your tireless shilling for the liberal's...You wouldn't look as pathetic as you do...

Here is an article for you.

“Governor Mitt Romney has signed into law a permanent assault weapons ban that he says will make it harder for criminals to get their hands on these guns”

http://www.iberkshires.com/story/14812/Romney-signs-off-on-permanent-assault-weapons-ban.html

But don’t worry there were a couple fees reduced for licensing thier .22 single action rifles passed also.

Mitt moved to the right? Lol

He signed the permanent MA AWB.

But, but ...he also extended licenses (that police chiefs won’t even issue in some towns) from 4 years to 6 years. Oh my what a victory. That’s not a damn victory.

If you move the goal posts, sure.

Hillary is not in prison.

Obamacare is not over-turned.

The budget is not balanced.

There is no "deportation force."

The deficit is increasing, not shrinking...

The, "best people," (Tillerson, Mattis, Cohn) all say Trump is a moron.

Mexico is not funding "The Wall" (its a short fence now) through remittances...

If you move the goal posts, Trump is doing everything he promised to do... Lol, rofl.

Trump pushing for, "take the guns first," gun control is a very, very big deal.

Trump offering the conservative farm to get a relatively short amount of fencing at the border (while his corporation imports cheap foreign labor, alongside many big business that need cheap imported labor... which is a huge driver of illegal immigration)… That is a big, big deal.

Yeah... Trumps bad deals are hurting conservatives.

Trumps constant failures are hurting conservatives.

On the same hand, Trump could have spent the last few years trying to keep his campaign promises...

Trump campaigned against Republicans, attacking them constantly as a principle of his campaign, then went golfing after he got elected, often.

Then Trump passes the blame to the same Republicans he campaigned against when it comes-up that Hillary is not in prison, gun rights are under attack, and Mexico is not funding the wall through remittances...

If Trump wasn't attacking gun rights, and if Mexico was funding the wall through taxed remittances, Trumps followers/puppets would not look as pathetic as they do defending his anti-gun record.

I'm beginning to believe you are trying to convince yourself that Trump is the boogey man.

I can think of all sorts of pathetic things, but they don't have shit to do with Trump. They do have lots to do with the enemies of our country...hell they are enemies of the world...they hurt everyones future if they succeed...

The liberal press pushed, "fake news?"

Gasp. The horror! No way would the liberal press get it wrong! No way!

Lol, rofl.

The truth...

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The liberal media got it wrong. The liberal media printed false and misleading information. I know that probably comes as a shock to gun-owning, small-government conservatives...

I have linked to the actual law. The liberal media got it wrong. Romney *expanded* gun rights for gun owners in MA. In plain-English, Romney did the right thing for gun owners in MA.

On the other hand, Trump has increased gun laws against gun owners.

Read the linked-to law, and read the articles...

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The 1998 AWB was permanent, comprehensive, contained no sunset provision, and was put-in-place by a Democrat majority. The Democrats held both the House and the Senate with a veto-proof majority when Romney was elected. Romneys *increase* in gun rights can be seen as a coup, as anti-gun Democrats held a veto-proof majority...

The truth... Romneys 2004 law over-turned the worst parts of the 1998 AWB...

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Romney over-turned the provision in the 1998 forcing loss of gun rights for life over a *misdemeanor.* That is a gargantuan *increase* in gun rights.

The Democrats 1998 law made the firearms ID too big to fit in a pocket, let alone a wallet. Romney made it smaller.

The Democrats 1998 law allowed Police to seize firearms without providing a record. Romney changed that.

The Democrats 1998 law was comprehensive, and had no grandfather clause or exemptions... Romney permanently attached a grandfather clause and exemptions to MAs AWB...

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Romneys efforts to increase gun rights in MA were significant. Romney most-certainly pulled a pro-gun coup against anti-gun Democrats who held a veto-proof majority...

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Trump, on the other hand, has increased gun laws against gun owners...

Says, the guy with the homoerotic Trump avatar.

Boy this thread has really turned into a mess!

That is correct. Romney has consistently defended gun owners, while Trump sided against gun owners and with Obama after Sandy Hook, and Trump has called for more gun restrictions after Orlando, Parkland, and Vegas...

That is false.

Your post is false.

The permanent MA AWB was passed in 1998...

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It is a huge victory that Romney gave gun rights back to those who lost them over *misdemeanors.*

It is a huge victory for gun owners, that Romney attacked exemption language and grandfather clause provisions.

It is a huge victory for gun owners that Romney was able to accomplish anything against a veto-proof Democrat majority...

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You want to down-play the good that Romney did for gun owners to defend the damage that Trump has done to gun rights...

It's not Trump's fault that Mitch McConnell sucks and Paul Ryan sucked as Republican congressional leaders.  They got nothing done with control of both houses.  I don't want to hear about how they didn't have the votes to get things done.  It's their job to get the votes.

So he turned out to be sour.

Are we 'irredeemables' seriously forgetting what the real losses would be with a Bernie or Hillary?  We'd be either enrolling into our second year of re-education or looking up banned pictures of nerf gun porn.

Dude, listen to yourself.

He Re-upped the MA AWB. You spinning that as a win for gun owners is ludicrous.

But but ... he made the license to carry smaller, more wallet sized.

MA has one of the strictest AWBs and firearm laws.

“During the Romney Administration, no anti-Second Amendment or anti-sportsmen legislation made its way to the Governor’s desk.”

Good thing because he would have signed any that did.

Your quote isnt even accurate given him re-upping the AWB. But I guess you mean “new” anti laws. Can’t get much worse there.

The wallet sized license to carry cards are a victory!!!! Lol

His own words and actions. Here is your gun rights hero...

1. “I don’t line up with the NRA.” — 1994, to reporters at a campaign stop. During his 1994 Senate campaign, Romney came out in support of the Brady Bill and a ban on certain types of assault weapons.

2. “We do have tough gun laws in Massachusetts — I support them. I won’t chip away at them. I believe they help protect us, and provide for our safety.” — Sept. 24, 2002, at a debate during the Massachusetts gubernatorial race.

3. Signed a permanent assault-weapons ban as governor of the Bay State. “Deadly assault weapons have no place in Massachusetts,” Romney said at the July 1, 2004, signing ceremony. “These guns are not made for recreation or self-defense. They are instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people.”

He's mentally unstable. At first his posts were really annoying, like when he was shitting up the meme's thread with his home school "memes," but now I just picture a homeless man ringing a bell with a sandwich board when I read anything he posts.

"Take the guns first, go through due process second." -Trump.

"Fence for DACA" deal that includes more Fed Judges, more Fed LE, and a sweet deal for illegals...

Hillary is not in prison, the budget is not balanced, the deficit is increasing, and the blame goes everywhere but on where it belongs... Trump.

"Take the guns first," Trump was/is part of the swamp.

Trump wants the borders open just as much as The Chamber of Commerce, and for the exact same reason: cheap foreign labor.

Many people on this site have been over everything you guys are posting now ad nauseum with him for years. He's just a troll and not even a compelling one at that. His shit is so weak, even the other nevertrumpers back out of the threads, because honestly who on fucking earth wants to read all of that garbage.

You people always trot out the same tired argument when you know damn good and well no other candidate in the 2016 primaries could have accomplished all he has done.

And the republican party is a sorry bunch of swamp creatures who, if not outright in bed with the democrats, at the very least do nothing to stop or even slow their socialist agenda.

But don't worry... you'll get your wish when a few million illegal aliens come across the border to help displace Trump with a democrat more to your liking.

When they get power next, whenever that is, will be hell to pay.

Dude, you have not actually read the 1998 law, have you? There was no provision for expiration, there was nothing that needed to be, “re-upped.” Point out the, “this law needs to be re-upped,” provision in the 1998 law, if you can find it… (lol, rofl)…

The 1998 MA AWB was permanent, did not need to be "re-upped," and that line of thinking is categorically and completely false.

Your position is false, you are repeating false information...

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It was a pro-gun coup. It was a pro-gun coup against a Democrat veto-proof majority.

It is significant because the defense surrounding Trumps (clear-cut) anti-gun record is that it is really, really hard to be pro-gun… Well, Mitt Romney can do it. How hard can it be?
That is *dang* significant, in and of itself, and represents a clear-cut positive for gun owners. The 1998 law *essentially* curtailed concealed carry, due to making the ID too big to easily conceal. That is a pretty big deal that Romney shrunk the size of the ID. That is a huge deal.

But Romney did more than that… The most significant thing Romney did was give a pathway to gun rights back to folks who had lost them over mere *MISDEMEANORS.*

Romney also added a grandfather clause, and exemption language… A huge victory for gun owners.
Trumps bumpstock ban, for instance, did not contain a, “Grandfather Clause,” meaning, if you are caught with a bumpstock under Trumps law… Prison. Romney took the high-road, and changed the 1998 law to include exemptions (meaning, you can own “assault weapons,” and a “grandfather clause.”

Romney did the right thing for gun owners.

To say otherwise is to be false.

The defense of Trumps significant push for gun control is, “MITT ROMNEY! MITT ROMNEY!” But folks have to lie about Romneys record to defend Trumps poor performance, and outright lies on gun rights to get elected…

The 1998 MA AWB incurred some of the strictest restrictions on gun rights.

The NRA states that Romney made things better for gun owners…

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GOAL states that Romney made things better for gun owners…
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Your claim that the permanent, comprehensive 1998 AWB needed to be, “re-upped,” is a completely false position. It has no basis in reality, and it has no basis in fact.

Liberal news repeated it as a lie, at the time, and folks too lazy to read the law for themselves repeat the liberal-media, “fake news.”

I have posted to the 1998 law multiple times  in this thread. You would think if the permanent, comprehensive 1998 law had a, “this law needs to be re-upped,” provision, you would have quoted it by now. It would be a slam-dunk case for you. If you find, “This law expires on --- date…” You would win five internets, and win this argument.

There is a reason, you have not done that… It is because the 1998 law was permanent, comprehensive, and had no expiration language. You would have posted the expiration language long ago, if it had any language of the sort…

Romneys 2004 law, per the actual law, and per the NRA, and per GOAL… *increased* rights.
Trump, on the other hand, has worked against gun rights, and against gun owners…

Completely on its own, it would –on its own-- represent a *significant* victory for gun owners, yes.

As the 1998 AWB had essentially done-away with concealed carry by making the card too big to conceal carry.

Yes, shrinking the ID size was a significant victory for conceal carry in MA.

But Romney did more than that. He gave gun rights back to folks who had lost them over *MISDEMEANORS,* forced Police to give gun owners a receipt for weapons, and added exemption language and a grandfather clause.

The, “Grandfather Clause,” is purposefully ignored by Trump supporters because Trumps, “Bumpstock Ban,” did not include one… Trump essentially criminalized bumpstock ownership altogether. Trump isn’t going to put Hillary in prison, but his signature can put bumpstock owners in prison…

Trumps actions do not match his campaign promises... And his current platform, and words are *extremely* dangerous to gun owners...

My point is that Romney, believe it or not, is to the extreme political right of Trump on gun rights...

Lol, rofl.

No gun owner lines-up perfectly with the NRA. None. Not one.

Get five gun owners together, and they will each find a fault with the NRA.

No gun owner lines-up with the NRA... On the other hand, Trump has *attacked* the NRA, and encouraged politicians not to be, "scared" of the NRA...

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It can be *easily* proven that Romney *did* chip-away at the MA gun laws...

NRA states in plain-English that Romney chiped-away at MA gun laws... Link

GOAL states in plain-English that Romey chipped-away at MA gun laws... Link

If Romney was so anti-gun, then why didn't he side with Obama/Trump after Aurora? Why didn't he side with Obama/Trump after Sandy Hook? Why didn't he side with Trump calling for more gun laws after Orlando, Parkland, and Vegas?-? If Romney is chomping at the bit to go after gun rights, he has just as many opportunities as, "take the guns first," Trump...!?-!?

The truth... Romney pulled a pro-gun coup in MA, and had *increased* access-to, "Assault weapons." He pulled the wool over the eyes of the liberal press, they reported it wrong, and he duped the Democrat majority into going-along with it...

You can pull quotes from the liberal media. You can even quote Romney pulling a coup against anti-gun Democrats.

What you cannot do is point-out a word of expiration language in the 1998 MA AWB... Link

Romney pulled a coup against a Democrat-majority...

Trump, on the other hand, has made things *worse* for gun owners...

I'm going to try to talk to you like an adult. I don't expect you to respond like an adult, but here it goes anyway.

No matter what candidate you support, you're acting like an insane person. I have no idea why you relish being a public spectacle, and I could give a shit less about Trump or your opinion of him.

Do you value your reputation so little that you genuinely don't care that everyone is laughing at you? Other NeverTrumps are laughing at you. You seriously need to look into medication, and I'm not even meaning that as an insult. You're either drunk or mentally ill. There's basically no other possibility.

If there is a sunset provision, or expiration date in the 1998 MA AWB, then point it out... Link

The truth... You can argue for years that it is in there. The argument ends the minute you find it, and post it...

You cannot find it.

You won't post it.

Because it is not in there...

Romney increased gun rights as Governor. Link Link Trump, on the other hand, has decreased gun rights as President...

Trumps, "take the guns first," followers think that anyone who disagrees with them is a troll, so...

I’ve seen everyone make fun of underscores, and you’re the main guy, but I never knew how truly delusional you were until you made this post.

What if he’s allowed the bumpstock ban we’re all crowing about knowing full well it’s unconstitutional and that his very own appointees will eventually overturn it and then some?  Is he still a villain?

There's a fuck Mitt Romney thread going on. I think they want your attention.