[ARCHIVED THREAD] - F&D Defense Out of Business (Page 1 of 10)
Posted: 10/5/2019 11:34:09 AM EDT
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-On October 1, 2019 the ATF -ATF revoked F&D's FFL. -ATF forced F&D manager/member Brian Shirley to resign his position with F&D. |
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I own one, a 260 rem. Its an extremely well made, accurate rifle. This is sad to hear... however, having reached out to them in the past, they were not quick to respond. Blows my mind how someone can build a company making a top notch, high end manufactured product... then let it crash. |
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No idea who they are, but my first question is if the ATF found actual machine guns, or did they find items they "classified" as machine guns? 
Just remember that bumpstocks and boot laces can also be considered machine guns.  |
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Actual machines guns with auto sear and select fire installed. Quoted:
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No idea who they are, but my first question is if the ATF found actual machine guns, or did they find items they "classified" as machine guns?
Just remember that bumpstocks and boot laces can also be considered machine guns. |
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Been asking that question for over 5 years now. Apparently just used primarily as a fun-toy tax write-off for oil-man owner. 
I thought it odd that someone would post about a virtually unknown gun manufacturer getting busted by ATF.....and five minutes of Googling discovered you (FoldAr) sued F&D last year. I've been an FFL for over eleven years and never heard of "F&D Defense" until today. |
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Actual machines guns with auto sear and select fire installed. Seriously though, for as cheap as an SOT is, for someone actually in the business of making guns, having proper licensing just seems like such a minimal marginal cost compared to having a disgruntled employee or somebody else even making false accusations. This sucks for owners of their rifles if they go down permanently. The power to tax is the power to destroy. |
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Shouldn't you have had an answer before licensing F&D to manufacture your folding stock?
I thought it odd that someone would post about a virtually unknown gun manufacturer getting busted by ATF.....and five minutes of Googling discovered you (FoldAr) sued F&D last year. I've been an FFL for over eleven years and never heard of "F&D Defense" until today. https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/folding-ar-horizon/ 
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I own one, a 260 rem. Its an extremely well made, accurate rifle. This is sad to hear... however, having reached out to them in the past, they were not quick to respond. Blows my mind how someone can build a company making a top notch, high end manufactured product... then let it crash. |
| The owner used to work for lwrc and the platform built off of that design. He stirred up a lot of crap on snipershide, but the product seemed to mostly deliver. I think a member here worked to develop their 338-based 458 variant. I would have probably bought one at one point but the weight was just not great. I already had an lwrc, kac and mws, and really wanted something more carbine-like. |
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Yes Corkie from F&D, Mark Larue and I went rounds. I quoted work for F&D while still at 2A Armament. The guy was a nut ball. As majority owner of F&D in 2014, I picked up my shit and left F&D when I found out Shirley falsified the company's FFL application in 2013. Then I sold F&D to Shirley in a company split and took all the manufacturing operations and rights. Shirley is the one who went on SH and was running down veterans, and pretty much everyone else. I simply asserted my association with development of the LWRC SABR/REPR products... which ended up being resolved to my pleasure. The extend of my "entertainment" on arfcom (in 2014) was limited to my statements that I would end up "owning" F&D and Shirley would be gone... as it was a foregone conclusion at that time in consideration of their endless shenanigans, fraud, and illegal activity. In 2017 I gave them a shot at redemption with the folding AR license, and they squandered that away to the n-th degree by deciding to ignore the license termination as if they were owners of the IP.... which makes sense because they also committed bank fraud by pledging the entirety of my IP (without my knowledge) for a $1mil loan that has apparently been completely spent on things not business related. ...still winning... |
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No idea who they are, but my first question is if the ATF found actual machine guns, or did they find items they "classified" as machine guns?
Just remember that bumpstocks and boot laces can also be considered machine guns. |
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Well this shit took a wild turn.. Just stand by for drama. |
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Quoted: It will get locked. Corky has a habit of going off the rails, like the time he was trying to make fun of Mark LaRue’s manufacturing facilities. If Corky ever had a quarter of Larue business or manufacturing capacity, I’d be very surprised. I’m not surprised about the latest lawsuit after Corky sued LWRCI and then his former business partner. I know that he represented himself in at last one of his lawsuits. Just stand by for drama. 
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That was Brian Shirley. As are all references here to the past douchery. As majority owner of F&D in 2014, I picked up my shit and left F&D when I found out Shirley falsified the company's FFL application in 2013. Then I sold F&D to Shirley in a company split and took all the manufacturing operations and rights. Shirley is the one who went on SH and was running down veterans, and pretty much everyone else. I simply asserted my association with development of the LWRC SABR/REPR products... which ended up being resolved to my pleasure. The extend of my "entertainment" on arfcom (in 2014) was limited to my statements that I would end up "owning" F&D and Shirley would be gone... as it was a foregone conclusion at that time in consideration of their endless shenanigans, fraud, and illegal activity. Now I am simply awaiting award from court on our present $12mil lawsuit against F&D relating to the folding AR, to be issued within a month or two (and is non-appealable). If even 10% of that is awarded, I will own F&D once again and will forever dissolve its badly tarnished name. In 2017 I gave them a shot at redemption with the folding AR license, and they squandered that away to the n-th degree by deciding to ignore the license termination as if they were owners of the IP.... which makes sense because they also committed bank fraud by pledging the entirety of my IP (without my knowledge) for a $1mil loan that has apparently been completely spent on things not business related. ...still winning...
I do find it quite intriguing that you did not include any of these connections in your original attempt at mud slinging. 
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Quoted: It will get locked. Corky has a habit of going off the rails, like the time he was trying to make fun of Mark LaRue’s manufacturing facilities. If Corky ever had a quarter of Larue business or manufacturing capacity, I’d be very surprised. I’m not surprised about the latest lawsuit after Corky sued LWRCI and then his former business partner. I know that he represented himself in at last one of his lawsuits. Just stand by for drama. 1) I never made fun of Larue's facilities. I simply stated that I have been in there twice. He did have crappy machines, but I don't remember ever publicly stating that. Larue then wanted to make a public argument about it saying that I wasn't signed into his logbook and therefore I was lying about entering his facilities (which I lived literally 3 miles down the road and had several friends working there). Back then there was a dozen ways to enter his facilities legally without signing his visitor logbooks (i.e. employees AND reps who didn't care about his silly visitor logbook which wasnt used by half the people who visited anyways). FoldAR is able to produce up to 1,500 folding uppers per month. We don't run max capacity... yet. And, no, our facility is not as big as Larue's... but it does have potential to become much bigger. Last I saw from Afmers, Larue manufactured less than 2000 firearms annually. 2) It was a decision made by Brian Shirley and Stephen Prentice of F&D to sue LWRC. I was thrown into the mix because of the topic of the suit, which was inventorship of LWRC's product. That suit was resolved to my pleasure, as previously stated. At one short period, I did represent myself. 3) I didn't sue my business partners (Shirley and Prentice), they sued me immediately upon my discovering that the FFL they acquired was fraudulent, and then my decision to immediately remove all of my personally owned manufacturing equipment from the F&D facilities. Their purpose for suing me was to prohibit me from reporting the fraud to the ATF (acquired a no-evidence TRO), which worked for them for the most-part, and the ATF was not able to investigate the matter. Their act of suing me did -of course- result in counterclaims. They did not prevail in their objectives of forcing me to return the equipment, forcing me out of the company, or winning any award against me whatsoever. Refusing to stay attached to them as a business partner, I sold my ownership in F&D to them and started my own company with my equipment as a result, whereas I continued manufacturing their parts independently, and then invented and started producing the folding AR. Of course all of these events were both dramatic and somewhat traumatic in a sense, but... ...still winning... |