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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:14:32 PM EST
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I've had patients in the hospital chew their patches.
We usually find the masticated remains in their mouth when we are intubating them during the code |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:14:37 PM EST
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How widley are the patches used? I've come across several overdoses where people have eaten or sucked on them.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:14:45 PM EST
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On an unrelated note, why did they mention it was a "blended" family? What does that have to do with anything?  Y'all keep being outraged if you want, though. I'm outraged by my own stupidity.  (j/k )
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:15:15 PM EST
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Very sad for the children.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:19:24 PM EST
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Remember kids, pot is nearly as bad.
Sucks to be those kids, whomever is going to take custody of them will probably break up their family. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:20:48 PM EST
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Fentanyl is 100 times more powerful than morphine. It hits hard. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:22:22 PM EST
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How widley are the patches used? I've come across several overdoses where people have eaten or sucked on them. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:22:47 PM EST
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I'm waiting for some enterprising cartel to introduce sufentanil and up the ante. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:27:34 PM EST
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Fentayl is bad enough but some of the synthetic fentanyl coming out of China is 30x more powerful. One dumbass playing around is all it takes to end up on a slab, or one kid accidentally exposed to their parents bull shit. 
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:29:14 PM EST
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:29:20 PM EST
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Were used to it by now. (j/k)Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On an unrelated note, why did they mention it was a "blended" family? What does that have to do with anything? Y'all keep being outraged if you want, though. I'm outraged by my own stupidity. (j/k)
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:29:51 PM EST
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I've had patients in the hospital chew their patches. We usually find the masticated remains in their mouth when we are intubating them during the code
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:30:56 PM EST
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I've had patients in the hospital chew their patches. We usually find the masticated remains in their mouth when we are intubating them during the code
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:39:10 PM EST
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When my wife had bone cancer she was on 300mcg Fentynal patches. Changed 'em out every 48 hrs.
She even had to take a break through med on top of the patches if the pain got to be too great. Strange enough though, when on only the patches she could function 100% normal. Bone cancer's a bitch.  
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:40:17 PM EST
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When my wife had bone cancer she was on 300mcg Fentynal patches. Changed 'em out every 48 hrs. She even had to take a break through med on top of the patches if the pain got to be too great. Strange enough though, when on only the patches she could function 100% normal. Bone cancer's a bitch.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:41:04 PM EST
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I've had patients in the hospital chew their patches. We usually find the masticated remains in their mouth when we are intubating them during the code |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:45:23 PM EST
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We've caught staff doing it with used patches taken off a patient. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:53:02 PM EST
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We've caught staff doing it with used patches taken off a patient.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:58:11 PM EST
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anyone who thinks this current opiate epidemic is just a poor, white trash, brown and black person problem has their head in the sand. this is hitting at every level and demographic of our society.  I wish to God there were safer effective pain killers on the market. The opiate epidemic is insane. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:58:47 PM EST
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We've caught staff doing it with used patches taken off a patient.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 7:59:36 PM EST
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Most commonly IV. Patches are common. They also have lollipops for kids. This is the legal prescribed stuff. I would imagine the stuff the cartel's chemists cook up is powder form and used like heroin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is fentanyl a pill, or is it taken via IV? I would imagine the stuff the cartel's chemists cook up is powder form and used like heroin. 
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:01:09 PM EST
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Not an issue because medical professionals prescribe/use it in MICROgrams. I've used it extensively without problems because math works if you use it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm amazed the stuff is still legal. It's extremely powerful, sneaks up on users, mistakes get made. There's someone at the local hospital trying to rehab with bone cancer from it. Given bad directions from the doctor with a mistake; you're dead.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:02:23 PM EST
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The entire way this article was written sounded like the Fentanyl attacked and killed the airline pilot and his wife! Kind of like those news articles that say an inanimate object, a handgun, killed some innocent people. The article failed to indicate that someone, either the pilot or his wife illegally possessed and used the fentanyl to kill themselves. Not much sympathy for illegal drug users, but, this article made it sound like they were innocent victims.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:05:34 PM EST
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Holy fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've had patients in the hospital chew their patches. We usually find the masticated remains in their mouth when we are intubating them during the code |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:07:28 PM EST
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Too many people think life should be pain free. Pain lets you know your alive. If you really need it, so be it. Some people really do. A lot don't. I don't take shit unless it's unbearable. Poor kids
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:10:09 PM EST
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Sad story for the kids. Two druggies dead, I can't find the fucks to give... Except for the kids and the mess their irresponsible parents left behind. We have a pain clinic in our hospital. If 5 of us arfcommers were sitting around a table, and split the single doses of about 25% of the patients, we would all die. Opiate users build a tolerance pretty quickly, and if you keep ramping up their intake, the tolerance grows. Most people can't take fentanyl if they are not opiate tolerant. The fentanyl deaths come from casual users of opiates who get their hands on real patches or doctored ones, powder or pills. Hey baby, I got these pills that look like Vicodin, but are a little stronger, wanna give em a go? Then they take fentanyl pills and their kids find them the next day. Kinda like when a new batch of heroin hits the streets and it is way more pure than what people are used to. They bang their normal load and keel over dead. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:14:17 PM EST
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LOL. Prescription. Most likely they were opiate addicts, probably pills, who switched to heroin/fentanyl as an easier-to-get replacement. Mexican cartels are bringing that shit in by the boatload. As another poster mentioned, dealers are cutting their shitty heroin with it to up the potency. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Did he have a prescription? Why were they both using it? Most likely they were opiate addicts, probably pills, who switched to heroin/fentanyl as an easier-to-get replacement. Mexican cartels are bringing that shit in by the boatload. As another poster mentioned, dealers are cutting their shitty heroin with it to up the potency. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:16:15 PM EST
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When it's administered by professionals using pharmaceutical-grade products, it's quite safe. I've had fentanyl twice that I know of when I had surgery; it's an awesome drug. When it's self-administered by non-medical professionals using street-grade crap that could be cut with anything, then it can be quite deadly. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:17:40 PM EST
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The fentanyl and carfentanyl overdoses are so prevalent now that I don't think they're diverted legit drugs anymore, I think the cartels are making it and bringing it in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sad story for the kids. Two druggies dead, I can't find the fucks to give... Except for the kids and the mess their irresponsible parents left behind. We have a pain clinic in our hospital. If 5 of us arfcommers were sitting around a table, and split the single doses of about 25% of the patients, we would all die. Opiate users build a tolerance pretty quickly, and if you keep ramping up their intake, the tolerance grows. Most people can't take fentanyl if they are not opiate tolerant. The fentanyl deaths come from casual users of opiates who get their hands on real patches or doctored ones, powder or pills. Hey baby, I got these pills that look like Vicodin, but are a little stronger, wanna give em a go? Then they take fentanyl pills and their kids find them the next day. Kinda like when a new batch of heroin hits the streets and it is way more pure than what people are used to. They bang their normal load and keel over dead. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:22:06 PM EST
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Is fentanyl a pill, or is it taken via IV? |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:25:52 PM EST
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100% right. I wish to God there were safer effective pain killers on the market. The opiate epidemic is insane. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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anyone who thinks this current opiate epidemic is just a poor, white trash, brown and black person problem has their head in the sand. this is hitting at every level and demographic of our society. I wish to God there were safer effective pain killers on the market. The opiate epidemic is insane. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:29:00 PM EST
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Fentanyl is 100 times more powerful than morphine. It hits hard. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:32:15 PM EST
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I watched one in the 90's that we didn't blame on the doctors. I don't give a flying fuck about who the addicts are or how many of them die. I care about the cost of dealing with them and the crimes they are going to commit to get their fix. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:32:53 PM EST
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Had fentanyl after exploratory laparotomy a few years ago. Two nurses had to replace the IV contents. Checks and balances. When I hit the button, the pain went away. When it wore off, it wore off fast too. Never felt like I had the need to keep using it though.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:33:11 PM EST
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It also comes in a sublingual spray:
My wife gets it for breakthrough pain. She takes 4mg Dilaudid normally and her doctor gave her this shit for when the pain gets really bad. The pamphlet that came with it states repeatedly "If you are not already inured to opiates, this can kill you." They come 100 mcg to 1600 mcg per sprayer, and each one has a self-sealing indestructible plastic bag to put the dispenser in after use, as the next warning states "a child placing the used dispenser in its mouth may kill it." Read the warning statement here: Subsys Fentanyl I keep them locked in one of my safes and only give my wife one days use at a time. I had to lock up all of her pain meds as her "friend" [read crack whore junky] would steal any that was left out. BTW: Her Crack Whore JunkyTM friend was arrested today for stealing my wife's jewelry to include her wedding rings.  Her booking photo should hit the police website tomorrow and I plan to post it on the junkies Facebook page while she is still in jail.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:36:55 PM EST
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Yeah...when morphine is dosed in mg and fentanyl is dosed in mcg, you gonna die if you abuse it the same.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:38:11 PM EST
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why the fuck do we need a drug 100 times more powerful than morphine? |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:41:41 PM EST
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The narrative being pushed is complete bullshit. I don't give a flying fuck about who the addicts are or how many of them die. I care about the cost of dealing with them and the crimes they are going to commit to get their fix. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:42:54 PM EST
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It also comes in a sublingual spray: http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/286099/Fentanyl-167343.jpg My wife gets it for breakthrough pain. She takes 4mg Dilaudid normally and her doctor gave her this shit for when the pain gets really bad. The pamphlet that came with it states repeatedly "If you are not already inured to opiates, this can kill you." They come 100 mcg to 1600 mcg per sprayer, and each one has a self-sealing indestructible plastic bag to put the dispenser in after use, as the next warning states "a child placing the used dispenser in its mouth may kill it." Read the warning statement here: Subsys Fentanyl I keep them locked in one of my safes and only give my wife one days use at a time. I had to lock up all of her pain meds as her "friend" [read crack whore junky] would steal any that was left out. BTW: Her Crack Whore JunkyTM friend was arrested today for stealing my wife's jewelry to include her wedding rings. Her booking photo should hit the police website tomorrow and I plan to post it on the junkies Facebook page while she is still in jail. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:43:39 PM EST
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To save the google search: Fentanyl is a powerful synthetic opioid analgesic that is similar to morphine but is 50 to 100 times more potent. It is a schedule II prescription drug, and it is typically used to treat patients with severe pain or to manage pain after surgery. It is also sometimes used to treat patients with chronic pain who are physically tolerant to other opioids. In its prescription form, fentanyl is known by such names as Actiq®, Duragesic®, and Sublimaze®.Street names for fentanyl or for fentanyl-laced heroin include Apache, China Girl, China White, Dance Fever, Friend, Goodfella, Jackpot, Murder 8, TNT, and Tango and Cash. I sure had no idea |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:43:48 PM EST
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I have a nephew in prison right now (awaiting trial in about a year) for dealing it (first time) and using it as well (complete moron). He just became a father last year.
He has ruined many lives. I really feel for these kids and the family left behind to clean up the mess. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:44:49 PM EST
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There does seem to be a rather concerted effort to get that story popular, but why? |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:47:39 PM EST
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I watched one in the 90's that we didn't blame on the doctors. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:47:44 PM EST
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Awful.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:48:02 PM EST
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Because it is an opportunity for moar government, feels, and cost cutting at the expense of quality of care
ETA: I see you now have the quote which gives some context. NVM. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:49:32 PM EST
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It also comes in a sublingual spray: http://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/286099/Fentanyl-167343.jpg My wife gets it for breakthrough pain. She takes 4mg Dilaudid normally and her doctor gave her this shit for when the pain gets really bad. The pamphlet that came with it states repeatedly "If you are not already inured to opiates, this can kill you." They come 100 mcg to 1600 mcg per sprayer, and each one has a self-sealing indestructible plastic bag to put the dispenser in after use, as the next warning states "a child placing the used dispenser in its mouth may kill it." Read the warning statement here: Subsys Fentanyl I keep them locked in one of my safes and only give my wife one days use at a time. I had to lock up all of her pain meds as her "friend" [read crack whore junky] would steal any that was left out. BTW: Her Crack Whore JunkyTM friend was arrested today for stealing my wife's jewelry to include her wedding rings. Her booking photo should hit the police website tomorrow and I plan to post it on the junkies Facebook page while she is still in jail. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:56:08 PM EST
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why the fuck do we need a drug 100 times more powerful than morphine? Carfentanil is mainly used on elephants but it's already been found on the street. It's crazy dangerous, like breathing dust will OD kill you dangerous. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 8:59:11 PM EST
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I got fentanyl in the hospital once. It was the best feeling I have ever felt in my life. I wish they had never given it to me. I would rather not know that it is possible to feel that good.
I don't understand why people take the first hit. The second hit? I kinda get it. |
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Posted: 3/16/2017 9:02:00 PM EST
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Years back a buddy of mine needed some brush up training and a checkout in a multi twin. I rode along with him and the instructor, who was Brian. He'd just gotten hired at Spirit and seemed like a pretty squared away guy. I wonder what went wrong.
Those poor kids. Damn.
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Posted: 3/16/2017 9:09:27 PM EST
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I got fentanyl in the hospital once. It was the best feeling I have ever felt in my life. I wish they had never given it to me. I would rather not know that it is possible to feel that good. I don't understand why people take the first hit. The second hit? I kinda get it. |
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