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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:03:30 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3.3l NA V6? God that would be miserable to drive  Power to weight is a thing, you can put a tiny 4banger in a mini truck, it'll get great mileage and still be useful. Put an asthmatic 6 in a full size truck and next thing you know you have to discount them $15k and people still wont buy them. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:04:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 3.3l NA V6? God that would be miserable to drive Also with 3.73s I bet that little 6 is fine...3.31s blehh |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:04:31 AM EST
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A regular cab long box fs truck on 30" tires is big?? If it was a 3/4T long box quad cab with HD Suspension on factory 35s yeah that's a big truck. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Still too big. If it was a 3/4T long box quad cab with HD Suspension on factory 35s yeah that's a big truck. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:20:31 AM EST
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I think the reason brodozers are so popular with four doors is because you CAN'T USE THE FUCKING BED.
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:23:23 AM EST
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A regular cab long box fs truck on 30" tires is big?? If it was a 3/4T long box quad cab with HD Suspension on factory 35s yeah that's a big truck. Doesn't have enough power to haul what it's rated for, and gas mileage will suck because whoever is unlucky enough to have to drive that thing is going to be standing on it WOT at all times just to keep up with traffic. That's one of the biggest advantages to a 1/4 ton truck, no, it's not going to haul as much as a 1/2 ton, but you dont need nearly as big a power plant to make them work. Last time around they were a lot cheaper than full size and they made a lot of sense. That' the problem with current small trucks, they are not different enough from full size trucks. If you're gonna have less power and load capabilities at about the same price why would you buy one? Your ad illustrates the same issue, ford can't give those things away because a much more capable/desirable model is only a little more $$$. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:23:59 AM EST
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You can buy an F-150 for 20k....new. 18k brand new... https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/789626349/overview/ 22k 4wd https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/792980714/overview/ But according to GD it has to many options and they wont buy it. its basically a 90s V8 |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:26:38 AM EST
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Yes, too big for how it's equipped. Doesn't have enough power to haul what it's rated for, and gas mileage will suck because whoever is unlucky enough to have to drive that thing is going to be standing on it WOT at all times just to keep up with traffic. That's one of the biggest advantages to a 1/4 ton truck, no, it's not going to haul as much as a 1/2 ton, but you dont need nearly as big a power plant to make them work. Last time around they were a lot cheaper than full size and they made a lot of sense. That' the problem with current small trucks, they are not different enough from full size trucks. If you're gonna have less power and load capabilities at about the same price why would you buy one? Your ad illustrates the same issue, ford can't give those things away because a much more capable/desirable model is only a little more $$$.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:29:50 AM EST
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I prefer a small truck. My favorite one was a '79 Datsun. It was easy to work on and got decent gas mileage.
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:31:49 AM EST
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A bunch of people would love this, which is why they almost certainly won't do it.
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:34:43 AM EST
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a lot of romanticism in this thread
I bought a stripper jeep a few years ago , soft everything , 4cly , no AC 6 spd thought it would be awesome ...it wasn't I traded it for a hardtop 6cly with AC in less than a year |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:35:40 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lots of fleet vehicles for sure. Like parts store runner trucks, small delivery, small construction vehicle. I agree. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:38:20 AM EST
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290 HP 265 ftlbs its basically a 90s V8 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can buy an F-150 for 20k....new. 18k brand new... https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/789626349/overview/ 22k 4wd https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/792980714/overview/ But according to GD it has to many options and they wont buy it. its basically a 90s V8 |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:39:56 AM EST
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so many of these are going to be lifted and end up in hawaii
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:43:52 AM EST
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a lot of romanticism in this thread I bought a stripper jeep a few years ago , soft everything , 4cly , no AC 6 spd thought it would be awesome ...it wasn't I traded it for a hardtop 6cly with AC in less than a year |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:45:55 AM EST
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not everyone can drive a manual Quote HistoryQuoted:
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a lot of romanticism in this thread I bought a stripper jeep a few years ago , soft everything , 4cly , no AC 6 spd thought it would be awesome ...it wasn't I traded it for a hardtop 6cly with AC in less than a year |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:46:51 AM EST
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a lot of romanticism in this thread I bought a stripper jeep a few years ago , soft everything , 4cly , no AC 6 spd thought it would be awesome ...it wasn't I traded it for a hardtop 6cly with AC in less than a year But if I could buy a modern manufactured version @ under $20k, that's a different story. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:46:53 AM EST
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Yes, too big for how it's equipped. Doesn't have enough power to haul what it's rated for, and gas mileage will suck because whoever is unlucky enough to have to drive that thing is going to be standing on it WOT at all times just to keep up with traffic. That's one of the biggest advantages to a 1/4 ton truck, no, it's not going to haul as much as a 1/2 ton, but you dont need nearly as big a power plant to make them work. Last time around they were a lot cheaper than full size and they made a lot of sense. That' the problem with current small trucks, they are not different enough from full size trucks. If you're gonna have less power and load capabilities at about the same price why would you buy one? Your ad illustrates the same issue, ford can't give those things away because a much more capable/desirable model is only a little more $$$. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:51:18 AM EST
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so many of these are going to be lifted and end up in hawaii That reminds me of the best bumper sticker I ever saw. It was on an S10 that was chopped almost to the ground. 
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Posted: 3/10/2020 11:54:45 AM EST
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a lot of romanticism in this thread I bought a stripper jeep a few years ago , soft everything , 4cly , no AC 6 spd thought it would be awesome ...it wasn't I traded it for a hardtop 6cly with AC in less than a year |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:00:02 PM EST
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a lot of romanticism in this thread I bought a stripper jeep a few years ago , soft everything , 4cly , no AC 6 spd thought it would be awesome ...it wasn't I traded it for a hardtop 6cly with AC in less than a year |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:02:32 PM EST
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Make it aluminum framed and aluminum bodied and it'll get 35mpg+; i know lots of older guys whose old rangers and S10s have rusted out and just need a pickup for hauling mulch, flowers, and garden veggies from home depot - they'll buy one. 
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:10:19 PM EST
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Id absolutely buy a new, stripped down, no frills, rubber floor matt, crank window 2 door with 4 4 door as a option, compact pick up, as long as it was under 20k. The lower priced, the better, geared for the . 31x10.50 tire size would be sweet. Make the target crowd off roaders, hunters, and work truck crowd. Basically a zr2 style compact truck. The 4 door ford rangers i saw over seas were perfect.
My only requirements are 4 door, 4x4, ac/ heat, and cheap. A winch / locker option would be nice as well. Of course i know it will never happen with the safety regs we have now. Only real option is buy a a older ranger and upgrade it, or a used older tacoma. Sigh. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:14:16 PM EST
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GD will be mad that it its roll up windows dont have vents or something....the 20k mini truck isnt what people want. They want a comfortable capable daily driver, that can run errands, haul the boat, with the family, get shit from lowes, go to the hunting camp....all with leather and a moonroof, with 400hp that gets 20mpg. The true sweet spot are the Xl or base XLT trucks imo, I think mine is perfect....but doesnt have any of the super luxury stuff that demands a premium, but accels in function.....and It was 34k(XLT FX4 3.5EB supercab and a 6.7 box) brand new. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Shush damnit, you can't buy a truck under $55k nowadays.  They want a comfortable capable daily driver, that can run errands, haul the boat, with the family, get shit from lowes, go to the hunting camp....all with leather and a moonroof, with 400hp that gets 20mpg. The true sweet spot are the Xl or base XLT trucks imo, I think mine is perfect....but doesnt have any of the super luxury stuff that demands a premium, but accels in function.....and It was 34k(XLT FX4 3.5EB supercab and a 6.7 box) brand new. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:16:41 PM EST
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This isn't the rebirth of the iconic 70s-80s mini truck. It is a "truck" that was based on a tiny van that is based on a unibody FWD car. Glad I have this. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/107869/IMG_1036_jpg-1309656.JPG |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:22:40 PM EST
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I don't know if it's the same engine they put in the transit vans but I drive one of those with up to ten people and while it's certainly not fast it does alright. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can buy an F-150 for 20k....new. 18k brand new... https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/789626349/overview/ 22k 4wd https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/792980714/overview/ But according to GD it has to many options and they wont buy it. its basically a 90s V8 I recently dumped a 91 s10 with the 4.3, you want to talk about anemic? |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:23:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Isnt that the idea? A 5.0 with 4x4 gets closer to 27 or 28k as it's a truck people actually buy....I was just illustrating that inexpensive basic fleet style trucks are avalible if you look. Also with 3.73s I bet that little 6 is fine...3.31s blehh How did I acquire such a beast, you ask? Well... a turbo decided to vote for Bernie and it no longer wanted to work. The drive to the dealership included a few hills.... That was fun. And slow. Sooooooo slow. 
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:24:09 PM EST
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The stealerships will add $2,500 for dealer-installed "paint protectant". |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:24:49 PM EST
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290 HP 265 ftlbs its basically a 90s V8 At least the dog V8s of the 90s had something available without having to scream for it. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:26:24 PM EST
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Id absolutely buy a new, stripped down, no frills, rubber floor matt, crank window 2 door with 4 4 door as a option, compact pick up, as long as it was under 20k. The lower priced, the better, geared for the . 31x10.50 tire size would be sweet. Make the target crowd off roaders, hunters, and work truck crowd. Basically a zr2 style compact truck. The 4 door ford rangers i saw over seas were perfect. My only requirements are 4 door, 4x4, ac/ heat, and cheap. A winch / locker option would be nice as well. Of course i know it will never happen with the safety regs we have now. Only real option is buy a a older ranger and upgrade it, or a used older tacoma. Sigh. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:48:50 PM EST
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I drove this for 15 years till somebody ran a light and took out the front, miss it. Would change to an extended cab instead, liked the long bed at the time, but like more cab space now.
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Posted: 3/10/2020 12:53:14 PM EST
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Posted: 3/10/2020 1:01:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It has damn near 300hp....put the right gears in the rear end and its fine. That hp (which is undoubtedly exaggerated) is measured at the crank, which is a long, power robbing, distance to the wheels. Numbers on computer screens are fairly meaningless, How much does it weigh? How many ft lbs? But more important is where does it produce those hp and ft lbs numbers? Between 2k and 3.5k, where they are useful? Or does it make that up around 6 grand? There is a reason ford (and others) has to give those away. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 1:22:21 PM EST
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2 door with AWD. Subaru Brat here we come. I could do without a POS Ford dual clutch transmission. Hell a CVT would be better.
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Posted: 3/10/2020 1:48:12 PM EST
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Ford cant leave a good product alone and let it keep bringing money in. Lets remake the Ranger. Okay lets change the engine and fuck it up, lets make it unreliable for the first five years
My 94 V6 is still going. Its falling apart and about done but damn that been a good truck. I keep trying to find another decent priced one and they get snapped up fast. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 6:08:51 PM EST
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Id absolutely buy a new, stripped down, no frills, rubber floor matt, crank window 2 door with 4 4 door as a option, compact pick up, as long as it was under 20k. The lower priced, the better, geared for the . 31x10.50 tire size would be sweet. Make the target crowd off roaders, hunters, and work truck crowd. Basically a zr2 style compact truck. The 4 door ford rangers i saw over seas were perfect. My only requirements are 4 door, 4x4, ac/ heat, and cheap. A winch / locker option would be nice as well. Of course i know it will never happen with the safety regs we have now. Only real option is buy a a older ranger and upgrade it, or a used older tacoma. Sigh. I think a small reasonably equipped truck would sell pretty well, but the vast majority of people aren't interested in what you describe. Most are going to want at least a basic entertainment system, power windows and AC at a minimum. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 6:51:33 PM EST
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any links to this truck out there?
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Posted: 3/10/2020 7:28:42 PM EST
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Hp doesn't matter nearly as much a ft lbs, especially in a truck. That hp (which is undoubtedly exaggerated) is measured at the crank, which is a long, power robbing, distance to the wheels. Numbers on computer screens are fairly meaningless, How much does it weigh? How many ft lbs? But more important is where does it produce those hp and ft lbs numbers? Between 2k and 3.5k, where they are useful? Or does it make that up around 6 grand? There is a reason ford (and others) has to give those away. I would never buy one of those 3.3V6 NA trucks, but for a shop truck to bomb around town, run little errands, or for basic repair jobs, haul basic shit. I could see it being perfect....nobody is getting a speeding ticket in one of those lol |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 7:41:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Amen, brother. A bed that you can actually access without climbing in is a luxury few remember. If this doesn't pan out I'll probably have to get a flat bed. This is what actually draws my ire from the brodozers more than anything else. Sure it "looks" like a truck, but with four doors, bed height out of reach and bed length that couldn't fit a case of beer... it is essentially a jacked up four door sedan on 39" super swampers without a trunk lid ffs. When work trucks became a symbol of virtue signaling, the practicality of the truck concept died  GM knew this, and set the loaded ride height to be at the optimal height for two guys of average height to load heavy cargo (a casket or a patient). This became an industry standard ride height for 4x2 vehicles right up until the early 00s. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 9:26:51 PM EST
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The early 90s 4.0 rangers and 4.3 S-10s would hang with a stock mustang GT, and out run an auto Mustang GT. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My 87 Ranger was the perfect vehicle, slap the little Eco boost in one of those and it would get 35mpg and be fast as hell.
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:02:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I speak from experience when I say a NA 3.5L in an F150, even with the 10 speed and 3.55s, is fucking miserable. How did I acquire such a beast, you ask? Well... a turbo decided to vote for Bernie and it no longer wanted to work. The drive to the dealership included a few hills.... That was fun. And slow. Sooooooo slow. |
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Posted: 3/10/2020 10:24:22 PM EST
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The 4.9l I6 F150 I had way back when did better around town than the current 3.3l NA truck does. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I speak from experience when I say a NA 3.5L in an F150, even with the 10 speed and 3.55s, is fucking miserable. How did I acquire such a beast, you ask? Well... a turbo decided to vote for Bernie and it no longer wanted to work. The drive to the dealership included a few hills.... That was fun. And slow. Sooooooo slow. |
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