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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:32:09 PM EDT
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There was a catastrophic loss of an engine at altitude. The woman landed the plane safely. We're going to swing purses now over words. Makes perfect GD sense. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:34:50 PM EDT
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The retarded press doesn't have a clue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Former ace Navy pilot ID'd as hero who landed damaged Southwest flight: report Hmmmm. Not taking away from what she did to save that flight, but "ace" has a very specific meaning among and about pilots and I don't it is being used accurately here. They have been intentionally devaluing the terms hero, honor, bravery, etc. for years. Misusing ace is part of that. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:35:24 PM EDT
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She has 1 destroyed on the ground.... 
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:37:25 PM EDT
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I bet no one cringed at that headline more than her. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Former ace Navy pilot ID’d as hero who landed damaged Southwest flight: report Hmmmm. Not taking away from what she did to save that flight, but "ace" has a very specific meaning among and about pilots and I don't it is being used accurately here. I bet no one cringed at that headline more than her. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:37:39 PM EDT
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Words mean things but when pedanticism over what has become a more figurative than literal term crosses a certain threshold then it's just being an autistic dickhead. Who reading that article is thinking that she had 5 kills? Nobody.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:38:14 PM EDT
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero They did their job well. 
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:39:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:43:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWho reading that article is thinking that she had 5 kills? Nobody. Words matter- and when they don't the side that worries about truth and reality is losing. Or already lost. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:44:19 PM EDT
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Good on her, however if the article said she's an astronaut, it would be just as accurate.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:44:21 PM EDT
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I went and looked up a list of naval ace pilots and I didn't see her name. typical |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:46:42 PM EDT
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I bet no one cringed at that headline more than her. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Former ace Navy pilot ID'd as hero who landed damaged Southwest flight: report Hmmmm. Not taking away from what she did to save that flight, but "ace" has a very specific meaning among and about pilots and I don't it is being used accurately here. I bet no one cringed at that headline more than her. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:49:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She has 1 destroyed on the ground.... |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:50:56 PM EDT
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:53:55 PM EDT
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She kept calm, landed the plane and was genuinely concerned about the passengers. I bet if you ask the passengers, she was an ace yesterday. A foreman who goes into a burning building, when he could just "Nope!" the hell out of it, is a hero. Pilot is not. If the plane crashes, her butt will be the first one to the scene of the accident. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 12:58:33 PM EDT
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I’d say to the people onboard, yup. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero Sometimes just doing your job makes you a hero. What about the 9/11 firefighters? Would anyone say they were just doing the jobs they were paid for? |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:00:03 PM EDT
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I'd say she's an "ace"......term is relative. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:00:08 PM EDT
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 Southwest 1380 (engine failure 4/17/2018) ENTIRE EVENT: actual multi-sector ATC audio The ATC comms, she sounds very calm and focused bravo to her and the other pilot |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:02:26 PM EDT
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She has 1 destroyed on the ground.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ace? She has 5 air to air kills?  |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:02:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed. She successfully dealt with a catastrophic engine failure and cabin depressurization and got everyone home as safely as possible. Unless she did open heart surgery on the heart attack patient during the descent, there wasn't much more she could have done. Sometimes just doing your job makes you a hero. What about the 9/11 firefighters? Would anyone say they were just doing the jobs they were paid for? |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:05:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, but the idiot press keeps calling her a "hero". She is not a hero. A foreman who goes into a burning building, when he could just "Nope!" the hell out of it, is a hero. Pilot is not. If the plane crashes, her butt will be the first one to the scene of the accident. She handled a very dangerous situation with calmness and expertise, safely landing the airplane with no further damage to it or anyone else. When her name was called, she rose to the occasion. Hero is a perfectly reasonable descriptor. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:08:22 PM EDT
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She and the copilot and the rest of the crew were great. What happened is not even close to the Sully event where the pilot and copilot deadsticked an airliner into a river.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:10:15 PM EDT
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Everyone in this thread is a hero for bravely commenting about the pilot.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:12:09 PM EDT
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I suppose "ace" has as much meaning to the media as "assault rifle" does today.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:14:16 PM EDT
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The last Navy fighter ace I'm aware of is Duke Cunningham.
He and Pete Driscoll (His RIO) flew the F-4B in Vietnam. He just finished his federal prison term not too long ago for tax evasion, fraud, and bribery as a Congressman from San Diego's district in CA. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:14:25 PM EDT
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Words mean things but when pedanticism over what has become a more figurative than literal term crosses a certain threshold then it's just being an autistic dickhead. Who reading that article is thinking that she had 5 kills? Nobody. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:16:24 PM EDT
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:18:24 PM EDT
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Relative to the number of planes shot down. Webster says shooting down 5 enemy aircraft makes you an ace. I believe this. Webster also says "ace" can also mean "a person who excels at something." Since she obviously handled the situation, I think that makes her an ace. It'a all relative, man. Lighten up. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:19:40 PM EDT
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What makes this lady a hero? In my opinion, it is the media coverage, because with out that, we would not know of her actions. So we should be congratulating the media for their courageous reporting of this hero. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:20:44 PM EDT
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 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkVTdvcghHc
The ATC comms, she sounds very calm and focused bravo to her and the other pilot What's the purpose of that question? Is it to allow them prioritize in case of another emergency? Also, does the pilot count her and her co-pilot as a soul or is it really asking about passengers? |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:22:26 PM EDT
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She kept calm, landed the plane and was genuinely concerned about the passengers. I bet if you ask the passengers, she was an ace yesterday. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:23:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most likely. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:25:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bet no one cringed at that headline more than her. And for the record she is an AVIATOR, not a pilot.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:26:42 PM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkVTdvcghHc
The ATC comms, she sounds very calm and focused bravo to her and the other pilot |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:29:20 PM EDT
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She did a good job, but as a navy pilot, I'm pretty sure this is something that you train for quite a bit, and I'm sure you get a good dose of it in commercial training. This is not the standard for much of the rest of the world on modern planes. Many other standards of training will have the pilots trying to reprogram the autopilot and flight control computer to deal with the emergency. Crews default to training is stressful situations, so you can end up in situations where the captain is reading off coordinates for a new flight profile, the copilot is entering them into the computer, with proper call backs and verifications. Meanwhile, no one is “Flying the damn plane” Ironically, the third world pilots who fly old as shit airplanes without all the modern gizmos are better pilots in an emergency than almost anyone else save for the US carriers. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:29:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In that audio, ATC asks "how many souls on board". What's the purpose of that question? Is it to allow them prioritize in case of another emergency? Also, does the pilot count her and her co-pilot as a soul or is it really asking about passengers? The pilots have souls also. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:31:27 PM EDT
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I'd say she's an "ace"......term is relative. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:33:35 PM EDT
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Not surprised. No one in the MSM has any military knowledge AT ALL and couldn't care less because they enjoy pissing off those that do.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:33:48 PM EDT
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She did a good job. The media is incompetent.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:34:45 PM EDT
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I'd say she's an "ace"......term is relative. Ace pilot is not. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:37:01 PM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkVTdvcghHc
The ATC comms, she sounds very calm and focused bravo to her and the other pilot |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:37:14 PM EDT
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She and the copilot and the rest of the crew were great. What happened is not even close to the Sully event where the pilot and copilot deadsticked an airliner into a river. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:38:27 PM EDT
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Not an ACE.
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In that audio, ATC asks "how many souls on board". What's the purpose of that question? Is it to allow them prioritize in case of another emergency? Also, does the pilot count her and her co-pilot as a soul or is it really asking about passengers? |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:39:09 PM EDT
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US airlines above all else teach their pilots to “Fly the damn plane”. The rest of the crew is supposed to do all the other shit that needs doing in an emergency. This is not the standard for much of the rest of the world on modern planes. Many other standards of training will have the pilots trying to reprogram the autopilot and flight control computer to deal with the emergency. Crews default to training is stressful situations, so you can end up in situations where the captain is reading off coordinates for a new flight profile, the copilot is entering them into the computer, with proper call backs and verifications. Meanwhile, no one is “Flying the damn plane” Ironically, the third world pilots who fly old as shit airplanes without all the modern gizmos are better pilots in an emergency than almost anyone else save for the US carriers. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:40:14 PM EDT
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she did the job she trained to do, and she did it very well.
You guys may be surprised how professional most all of commercial pilots are. Planes lose an engine all the time. It's when they both go out that you need real talent. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:42:54 PM EDT
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She shot down 5 enemies in air to air combat!? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I went and looked up a list of naval ace pilots and I didn't see her name. Its an Air Force thing.  Attached File |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:52:16 PM EDT
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She kept calm, landed the plane and was genuinely concerned about the passengers. I bet if you ask the passengers, she was an ace yesterday. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:53:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No sir, you are incorrect. The press knows exactly what they are doing and saying. They, with the rest of the left, continually win the language battle. They have been intentionally devaluing the terms hero, honor, bravery, etc. for years. Misusing ace is part of that. Arguably the best pilot the US Air Force ever had never had an air to air kill (Colonel Boyd) Her not being an Ace no way reflects her skill as a pilot. It is not an accurate description though. |
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Posted: 4/18/2018 1:57:48 PM EDT
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Pilot did the job they were paid for. Does that make a hero The catastrophic failure and fragments entering the cabin and injuring passengers was certainly not a routine occurrence, but loss of cabin pressure is again a scenario that is routinely trained for. I commend her for doing her job professionally and competently, but this event outside of the injuries and fatalities does not rise anywhere near the level of a "Miracle on the Hudson" type event. Obviously the passengers think she is a hero but people are so quick to jump to extremes these days, it really cheapens the definition and accolades due to those who really do perform heroic acts. |
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