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Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:32:09 PM EDT
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There was a catastrophic loss of an engine at altitude. The woman landed the plane safely.

We're going to swing purses now over words.

Makes perfect GD sense.
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Words mean things.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:34:50 PM EDT
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The retarded press doesn't have a clue.
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Former ace Navy pilot ID'd as hero who landed damaged Southwest flight: report

Hmmmm.  Not taking away from what she did to save that flight, but "ace" has a very specific meaning among and about pilots and I don't it is being used accurately here.
The retarded press doesn't have a clue.
No sir, you are incorrect.  The press knows exactly what they are doing and saying.  They, with the rest of the left, continually win the language battle.

They have been intentionally devaluing the terms hero, honor, bravery, etc. for years.  Misusing ace is part of that.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:35:24 PM EDT
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Pilot did the job they were paid for.  Does that make a hero
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:37:16 PM EDT
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She has 1 destroyed on the ground....
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1 in air kill!

Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:37:25 PM EDT
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I bet no one cringed at that headline more than her.
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Former ace Navy pilot ID’d as hero who landed damaged Southwest flight: report

Hmmmm.  Not taking away from what she did to save that flight, but "ace" has a very specific meaning among and about pilots and I don't it is being used accurately here.

I bet no one cringed at that headline more than her.
I bet you are right, and she did a great job safely landing that plane.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:37:39 PM EDT
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Words mean things but when pedanticism over what has become a more figurative than literal term crosses a certain threshold then it's just being an autistic dickhead. Who reading that article is thinking that she had 5 kills? Nobody.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:38:14 PM EDT
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Pilot did the job they were paid for.  Does that make a hero
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And trained, and checked out, and evaluated.
They did their job well.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:39:43 PM EDT
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Ace?

She has 5 air to air kills?

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Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:43:52 PM EDT
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Who reading that article is thinking that she had 5 kills? Nobody.
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That is an assertion that I wish were true.  I've heard it TWICE today from liberal idiots at work, which prompted the frustrated original post.  TWICE, and one of those times it was quoted as "combat ace", which I believe means the person saying it does indeed think exactly that.

Words matter- and when they don't the side that worries about truth and reality is losing.  Or already lost.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:44:19 PM EDT
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Good on her,  however if the article said she's an astronaut,  it would be just as accurate.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:44:21 PM EDT
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I went and looked up a list of naval ace pilots and I didn't see her name.
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So you're saying it's a coverup!?!?  That's what I thought would happen!

typical
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:46:42 PM EDT
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I bet no one cringed at that headline more than her.
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Former ace Navy pilot ID'd as hero who landed damaged Southwest flight: report

Hmmmm.  Not taking away from what she did to save that flight, but "ace" has a very specific meaning among and about pilots and I don't it is being used accurately here.

I bet no one cringed at that headline more than her.
I wonder how long her friends can keep the "ace" jokes rolling till she hits them with something, because you know good friends are cool like that.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:49:00 PM EDT
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She has 1 destroyed on the ground....
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IIRC, in ETO we counted ground kills as kills.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:50:56 PM EDT
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I’d say to the people onboard, yup.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:53:55 PM EDT
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She kept calm, landed the plane and was genuinely concerned about the passengers.

I bet if you ask the passengers, she was an ace yesterday.
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Yeah, but the idiot press keeps calling her a "hero".  She is not a hero.

A foreman who goes into a burning building, when he could just "Nope!" the hell out of it, is a hero.

Pilot is not.  If the plane crashes, her butt will be the first one to the scene of the accident.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 12:58:33 PM EDT
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I’d say to the people onboard, yup.
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I’d say to the people onboard, yup.
Agreed.  She successfully dealt with a catastrophic engine failure and cabin depressurization and got everyone home as safely as possible.   Unless she did open heart surgery on the heart attack patient during the descent, there wasn't much more she could have done.

Sometimes just doing your job makes you a hero.   What about the 9/11 firefighters?  Would anyone say they were just doing the jobs they were paid for?
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:00:03 PM EDT
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I'd say she's an "ace"......term is relative.
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Relative to the number of planes shot down.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:00:08 PM EDT
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Southwest 1380 (engine failure 4/17/2018) ENTIRE EVENT: actual multi-sector ATC audio


The ATC comms, she sounds very calm and focused bravo to her and the other pilot
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:02:26 PM EDT
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Ace?

She has 5 air to air kills?

She has 1 destroyed on the ground....
No fire, no major structural damage, that plane will probably be flying again within a couple of months (if that long).  That's an expensive asset to leave sitting on the ground not generating revenue.  Repair the window, replace the engine and any damage on the wing, fresh paint job, GTG.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:02:56 PM EDT
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Agreed.  She successfully dealt with a catastrophic engine failure and cabin depressurization and got everyone home as safely as possible.   Unless she did open heart surgery on the heart attack patient during the descent, there wasn't much more she could have done.

Sometimes just doing your job makes you a hero.   What about the 9/11 firefighters?  Would anyone say they were just doing the jobs they were paid for?
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The 9/11 firefighters had the option to quit and walk away.  This pilot?  Not so much. The minute that engine blew, her life was on the line as much as the passengers.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:05:14 PM EDT
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Yeah, but the idiot press keeps calling her a "hero".  She is not a hero.

A foreman who goes into a burning building, when he could just "Nope!" the hell out of it, is a hero.

Pilot is not.  If the plane crashes, her butt will be the first one to the scene of the accident.
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I'm fine with hero.

She handled a very dangerous situation with calmness and expertise, safely landing the airplane with no further damage to it or anyone else.

When her name was called, she rose to the occasion.  Hero is a perfectly reasonable descriptor.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:08:22 PM EDT
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She and the copilot and the rest of the crew were great.  What happened is not even close to the Sully event where the pilot and copilot deadsticked an airliner into a river.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:10:15 PM EDT
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Everyone in this thread is a hero for bravely commenting about the pilot.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:12:09 PM EDT
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I suppose "ace" has as much meaning to the media as "assault rifle" does today.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:14:16 PM EDT
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The last Navy fighter ace I'm aware of is Duke Cunningham.

He and Pete Driscoll (His RIO) flew the F-4B in Vietnam.

He just finished his federal prison term not too long ago for tax evasion, fraud, and bribery as a Congressman from San Diego's district in CA.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:14:25 PM EDT
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Words mean things but when pedanticism over what has become a more figurative than literal term crosses a certain threshold then it's just being an autistic dickhead. Who reading that article is thinking that she had 5 kills? Nobody.
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When I read the headline only I took it to mean five enemy aircraft shot down...the meaning of "ace" for a military pilot.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:16:24 PM EDT
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Nope.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:18:24 PM EDT
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Relative to the number of planes shot down.
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Since the article seems to talk about how well she handled the emergency situation and not how many Migs she has shot down, yes, the term "ace" is relative.

Webster says shooting down 5 enemy aircraft makes you an ace.   I believe this.

Webster also says "ace" can also mean "a person who excels at something."

Since she obviously handled the situation, I think that makes her an ace.   It'a all relative, man.   Lighten up.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:19:40 PM EDT
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What makes this lady a hero? In my opinion, it is the media coverage, because with out that, we would not know of her actions. So we should be congratulating the media for their courageous reporting of this hero.
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Two passengers left their seats to pull the dying woman back in the plane.  THAT sounded risky.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:20:44 PM EDT
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The ATC comms, she sounds very calm and focused bravo to her and the other pilot
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In that audio, ATC asks "how many souls on board".

What's the purpose of that question?  Is it to allow them prioritize in case of another emergency?  Also, does the pilot count her and her co-pilot as a soul or is it really asking about passengers?
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:22:26 PM EDT
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She kept calm, landed the plane and was genuinely concerned about the passengers.

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Except she wasn't. Still a great pilot and a hero. But ace has a meaning.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:23:12 PM EDT
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Most likely.
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I bet the author smiled when they wrote it knowing it would charge up the story effortlessly.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:25:46 PM EDT
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Yep.

And for the record she is an AVIATOR, not a pilot.

Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:26:42 PM EDT
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Great video.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:29:20 PM EDT
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She did a good job, but as a navy pilot, I'm pretty sure this is something that you train for quite a bit, and I'm sure you get a good dose of it in commercial training.
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US airlines above all else teach their pilots to “Fly the damn plane”. The rest of the crew is supposed to do all the other shit that needs doing in an emergency.
This is not the standard for much of the rest of the world on modern planes.  Many other standards of training will have the pilots trying to reprogram the autopilot and flight control computer to deal with the emergency. Crews default to training is stressful situations, so you can end up in situations where the captain is reading off coordinates for a new flight profile, the copilot is entering them into the computer, with proper call backs and verifications. Meanwhile, no one is “Flying the damn plane”

Ironically, the third world pilots who fly old as shit airplanes without all the modern gizmos are better pilots in an emergency than almost anyone else save for the US carriers.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:29:42 PM EDT
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In that audio, ATC asks "how many souls on board".

What's the purpose of that question?  Is it to allow them prioritize in case of another emergency?  Also, does the pilot count her and her co-pilot as a soul or is it really asking about passengers?
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So, if the plane augers in, they know how many bodies to account for.

The pilots have souls also.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:31:27 PM EDT
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I'd say she's an "ace"......term is relative.
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No it is not. Press is retarded, and like posted above, I bet no one cringed more than her at the headline.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:33:35 PM EDT
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Not surprised. No one in the MSM has any military knowledge AT ALL and couldn't care less because they enjoy pissing off those that do.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:33:48 PM EDT
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She did a good job. The media is incompetent.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:34:45 PM EDT
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Ace is relative.

Ace pilot is not.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:37:01 PM EDT
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No one rises to the occasion, we fall to the level of training.  I'm not discounting what the crew accomplished but we do train for catastrophic events regularly.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:37:14 PM EDT
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She and the copilot and the rest of the crew were great.  What happened is not even close to the Sully event where the pilot and copilot deadsticked an airliner into a river.
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I was thinking the same thing.  She did a great job but not a "Sully" great job.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:38:27 PM EDT
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Not an ACE.
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In that audio, ATC asks "how many souls on board".

What's the purpose of that question?  Is it to allow them prioritize in case of another emergency?  Also, does the pilot count her and her co-pilot as a soul or is it really asking about passengers?
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To find out how many ambulances/body bags they're going to need.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:39:09 PM EDT
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US airlines above all else teach their pilots to “Fly the damn plane”. The rest of the crew is supposed to do all the other shit that needs doing in an emergency.
This is not the standard for much of the rest of the world on modern planes.  Many other standards of training will have the pilots trying to reprogram the autopilot and flight control computer to deal with the emergency. Crews default to training is stressful situations, so you can end up in situations where the captain is reading off coordinates for a new flight profile, the copilot is entering them into the computer, with proper call backs and verifications. Meanwhile, no one is “Flying the damn plane”

Ironically, the third world pilots who fly old as shit airplanes without all the modern gizmos are better pilots in an emergency than almost anyone else save for the US carriers.
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The Air France plane that had the pilots stall the plane into the Atlantic may be an example.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:40:14 PM EDT
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she did the job she trained to do, and she did it very well.

You guys may be surprised how professional most all of commercial pilots are.

Planes lose an engine all the time.  It's when they both go out that you need real talent.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:42:54 PM EDT
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She shot down 5 enemies in air to air combat!?
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I went and looked up a list of naval ace pilots and I didn't see her name.
The U.S. Navy has never officially compiled or issued a list of aces.

Its an Air Force thing.
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Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:52:16 PM EDT
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She kept calm, landed the plane and was genuinely concerned about the passengers.

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Absolutely true but words have meanings.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:53:26 PM EDT
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No sir, you are incorrect.  The press knows exactly what they are doing and saying.  They, with the rest of the left, continually win the language battle.

They have been intentionally devaluing the terms hero, honor, bravery, etc. for years.  Misusing ace is part of that.
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Never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity.  
Arguably the best pilot the US Air Force ever had never had an air to air kill (Colonel Boyd)
Her not being an Ace no way reflects her skill as a pilot.
It is not an accurate description though.
Link Posted: 4/18/2018 1:57:48 PM EDT
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I guess I am kind of in that same boat.  This isn't the first time that a commercial flight has had an engine failure in flight. They can and do fly with a single engine all the time; losing an engine is something they train and plan for rigorously. Flying and landing on one engine should be a matter of routine for an experienced pilot.

The catastrophic failure and fragments entering the cabin  and injuring passengers was certainly not a routine occurrence, but loss of cabin pressure is again a scenario that is routinely trained for.

I commend her for doing her job professionally and competently, but this event outside of the injuries and fatalities does not rise anywhere near the level of a "Miracle on the Hudson" type event.

Obviously the passengers think she is a hero but people are so quick to jump to extremes these days, it really cheapens the definition and accolades due to those who really do perform heroic acts.
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