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Posted: 5/29/2023 6:24:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/29/2023 6:36:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryAn Asian store owner runs after a black teenager and shoots him in the back, it has potential for some unrest. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 6:37:54 PM EDT
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Need to employ the Mal-ism: "If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed."
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Posted: 5/29/2023 6:58:50 PM EDT
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Lott stated after a verbal confrontation, Chow and his son chased Carmack-Belton down the street. The teen fell but got back up and ran.
Shoot him from the scene of the robbery as he retreats while still armed? Good shoot. Chase him down and shoot him as he tries to escape? You better have a badge. If he's black you better have a federal badge, because no state prosecutor is going to pin his career to yours, but a United States Attorney will. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:00:55 PM EDT
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A lot to unpack on this but my most immediate question is what is a 14 year old doing with a gun?
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:07:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot to unpack on this but my most immediate question is what is a Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot to unpack on this but my most immediate question is what is a FIFY Quoted: An Asian store owner runs after a black teenager and shoots him in the back, it has potential for some unrest. It's all so tiresome... 
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:11:34 PM EDT
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If it's true that the teen stole something and then pulled a gun out when the gas station owner decided to get his shit back, then it was a good shoot.
I remember when Michael Brown was killed and everyone said "he was shot in the back," then the autopsy report came out and the vast majority of the shots turned out to be fired into his chest and stomach at close range. Maybe this'll turn out to be the same type of shit... But I can also tell you that you don't need to turn and face someone to pop some rounds off at them. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:11:41 PM EDT
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In not sure that this should be legal. I'm also not sure that the penalty should be too stiff.
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:12:14 PM EDT
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I'm I the only one reading his name as "Carnack-Belton"?
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:12:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FIFY It's all so tiresome... https://thumbs.gfycat.com/GroundedEnchantedHydatidtapeworm-size_restricted.gif What is that gif from?  
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:13:57 PM EDT
[#11]
Looking like a bad shoot.
Richland County Coroner, on the other hand, is a hottie. 
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:15:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot to unpack on this but my most immediate question is what is a 14 year old doing with a gun?  Bro, it’s Richland County.
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:17:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looking like a bad shoot. Richland County Coroner, on the other hand, is a hottie. 
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:18:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat took me a moment to figure out.
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:18:56 PM EDT
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Regardless of the race of the parties involved, shooting someone in the back who is running away from you will make it very difficult to sell self defense to a jury.
However if the shooting happened a short time earlier when the robber is facing the victim and threatening to kill the victim, the shooting would be much easier to justify. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:19:17 PM EDT
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Chasing somebody down is going to make a self defense claim nearly impossible. At that point you're hoping a jury rules that the dead guy deserved it...which is unlikely in an urban center if you are talking about a dead "boy" (14 year olds do a lot of evil shit in this country) who is from a minority racial group. That "child" is automatically a victim in most narratives.
Even if the "boy" pulls a gun while you chase him, the fact that you're giving chase is going to make shooting him incredibly difficult if not impossible to justify within the boundaries of lawful self defense. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:21:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's true that the teen stole something and then pulled a gun out when the gas station owner decided to get his shit back, then it was a good shoot. Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's true that the teen stole something and then pulled a gun out when the gas station owner decided to get his shit back, then it was a good shoot. From a legal perspective, most likely not in most places in the US. I remember when Michael Brown was killed and everyone said "he was shot in the back," then the autopsy report came out and the vast majority of the shots turned out to be fired into his chest and stomach at close range. Maybe this'll turn out to be the same type of shit... But I can also tell you that you don't need to turn and face someone to pop some rounds off at them. Michael Brown was inside the police car grabbing for the officer's gun when he was shot. Police have a duty to arrest, which means they are empowered to give chase. Ordinary joes have no such duty and so they aren't allowed to chase criminals, especially ones who have not committed a violent act prior to the chase. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:24:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regardless of the race of the parties involved, shooting someone in the back who is running away from you will make it very difficult to sell self defense to a jury. However if the shooting happened a short time earlier when the robber is facing the victim and threatening to kill the victim, the shooting would be much easier to justify. Yeah, I've got no sympathies for the criminal shot, but you don't go chasing them down and shooting them in the back. If that's what happened. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:28:46 PM EDT
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No evidence of theft, chased down and shot him in the back. Yeah shooter is going to prison if those are in fact the facts.
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:38:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A lot to unpack on this but my most immediate question is what is a 14 year old doing with a gun? Vocational Training |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:40:45 PM EDT
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Not guilty unless there is actual video (Innocent until proven guilty). I’m tired of all the “poor innocent black children gunned down by hatred and bigotry” nonsense and lies from the media painting these scumbags as innocent victims. Michael Brown, Tarvon Martin, George Floyd, etc all had the media narrative on their side painting them as helpless victims.
Brown was a “Gentle Giant” Trayvon just wanted some “Skittles” George Floyd “cried for his momma” |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:48:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From a legal perspective, most likely not in most places in the US. Michael Brown was inside the police car grabbing for the officer's gun when he was shot. Police have a duty to arrest, which means they are empowered to give chase. Ordinary joes have no such duty and so they aren't allowed to chase criminals, especially ones who have not committed a violent act prior to the chase. As with most people here, I see a disconnect between what's right and what's legal: that's the angle I'm coming from when I say "good shoot." As for what's legal, I agree that this guy would get loved tenderly per the current narrative. That being said, it's a narrative, not fact and truth, per the current level of knowledge and where the case is at. For all we know, the gas station owner could be 100% legally justified and there's serious fuckery afoot, like what happened with the Kyle Rittenhouse prosecution. Even from a legal perspective, you have the right to take your property back from a thief in most states (I know New Jersey is one such exception), and if the thief resists (which turns the theft into a robbery), you've got a good case for resisting a robbery with deadly force. Police in most states do NOT have a duty to arrest, or more specifically, no legal obligation. In my home state of Ohio, police have a "duty to halt or prevent the commission of an offense or to apprehend an offender," under Ohio Revised Code Section 2921.44, but this is the exception among the fifty states and not the rule. I'm not aware of what South Carolina law says on the matter. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:49:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Chasing somebody down is going to make a self defense claim nearly impossible. At that point you're hoping a jury rules that the dead guy deserved it...which is unlikely in an urban center if you are talking about a dead "boy" (14 year olds do a lot of evil shit in this country) who is from a minority racial group. That "child" is automatically a victim in most narratives. Even if the "boy" pulls a gun while you chase him, the fact that you're giving chase is going to make shooting him incredibly difficult if not impossible to justify within the boundaries of lawful self defense. I agree but could see a somewhat reasonable expectation. After all, most folks don’t expect a young teen to be armed with a gun… and shooting someone over an alleged shoplifting seems insane to anyone fit for western society. “I thought he stole something based upon watching him place XXX in his pocket so I attempted to stop him. He ran out of the store and I followed him into the parking lot while shouting “hey you need to pay for that”. He shouted something and pulled a gun on me so I fired in self defense.” Just my complete fabrication of an explanation I could see being plausible for claiming self defense. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:50:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No evidence of theft, chased down and shot him in the back. Yeah shooter is going to prison if those are in fact the facts. Indeed. I even remember when Michael Brown was executed in cold blood by the mean poleece. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:57:38 PM EDT
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If there were no guns, there would be less crime. Can I get banned for posting that statement?
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Posted: 5/29/2023 7:59:49 PM EDT
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Meh. Guilty. Time served. $50 fine for shooting in the city.
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Posted: 5/29/2023 8:01:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/29/2023 8:05:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If there were no guns, there would be less crime. Can I get banned for posting that statement? It's easier to get rid of thieves. They are harder to conceal on the person than a handgun. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 8:11:17 PM EDT
[#29]
The Asian owner is going to be facing a jury of the victim's peers most likely. Rule #1 is to keep insurance paid up so if the business gets burned down, his family isn't further ruined.
Apparently the shooting happened about a block away from the business, so the 'chase' was not incidental. A potential jury is not going to like he chased the kid down while he was trying to get back home. I'm not defending the 14 y/o, but the shooter has to face reality. He's fucked. He's got to hope for a plea deal of manslaughter with 8 - 10, and hope for parole in around 5. If the jury gets ahold him, he's looking at life. If there other witnesses not yet identified, they are not going to be jumping up to help the shooter at this point if there is exculpatory info. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 8:17:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is that gif from? Dindunuffin is how we got Roof Koreans  Before Rodney King verdict, LA remembers killing of 15-year-old Latasha Harlins |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 8:20:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lott stated after a verbal confrontation, Chow and his son chased Carmack-Belton down the street. The teen fell but got back up and ran. Shoot him from the scene of the robbery as he retreats while still armed? Good shoot. Chase him down and shoot him as he tries to escape? You better have a badge. If he's black you better have a federal badge, because no state prosecutor is going to pin his career to yours, but a United States Attorney will. It's kinda funny, really. RCSD is seriously understrength and the public isn't too confident in response and followthrough. I hate that it happened, but I understand WHY it happened. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 8:21:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Asian owner is going to be facing a jury of the victim's peers most likely. Rule #1 is to keep insurance paid up so if the business gets burned down, his family isn't further ruined. Apparently the shooting happened about a block away from the business, so the 'chase' was not incidental. A potential jury is not going to like he chased the kid down while he was trying to get back home. I'm not defending the 14 y/o, but the shooter has to face reality. He's fucked. He's got to hope for a plea deal of manslaughter with 8 - 10, and hope for parole in around 5. If the jury gets ahold him, he's looking at life. If there other witnesses not yet identified, they are not going to be jumping up to help the shooter at this point if there is exculpatory info. Hopefully the jury will view strapping on a gun and stealing things as voluntarily distancing yourself from the purview of laws. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 8:25:07 PM EDT
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I don't care what the the coroner, judge or jury says.
It was a good shoot. Crime should not pay. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 8:26:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell damn, I searched for shot, maybe gas station. Convenience store and shoot, lol.  I tried |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 8:35:34 PM EDT
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It's all so tiresome.
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Posted: 5/29/2023 8:35:52 PM EDT
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There isn't a state in this country this is a good shoot.
If the details are accurate |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 8:39:26 PM EDT
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What are the chances that the initial police report /information released to the media are actually accurate?
I'm going to go with 0% because they never are..... I will withhold my opinion until the actual facts of this case start coming out. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 8:44:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/29/2023 9:19:27 PM EDT
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Assume accurate reporting, gas station owner is going to jail. But … one thing I’ve learned, it to wait until the whole story comes out, I will withhold judgement.
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Posted: 5/29/2023 9:22:58 PM EDT
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Supermarket Scene from don't be a menace?
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Posted: 5/29/2023 9:56:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't care what the the coroner, judge or jury says. It was a good shoot. Crime should not pay. What crime? |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 9:58:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An Asian store owner runs after a black teenager and shoots him in the back, it has potential for some unrest. Quote HistoryQuoted: An Asian store owner runs after a black teenager and shoots him in the back, it has potential for some unrest. That is what is reported. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 10:10:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If there were no guns, there would be less crime. Can I get banned for posting that statement? If there were no guns, the World would be ruled by thugs. There would be no advanced technology, no private property, no economy. Women would be kept as possessions of men who could take and keep them. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 10:28:14 PM EDT
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Good kill.
He deserved to die and I don't give three fifths of a fuck who disagrees with me |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 10:31:52 PM EDT
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Fuck thieves and armed robbers.
10 to 1 the little shit would’ve come back for revenge later. Possibly with friends. Or wound up robbing other people until getting shot or arrested. Armed robbery always progresses to murder. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 10:34:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What crime? I may have to defer to the shopkeeper that the armed 14 year old was not being a perfect customer. Protip: If the shopkeeper's son notices you have a gun you're not concealing very well. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 10:41:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's true that the teen stole something and then pulled a gun out when the gas station owner decided to get his shit back, then it was a good shoot. I remember when Michael Brown was killed and everyone said "he was shot in the back," then the autopsy report came out and the vast majority of the shots turned out to be fired into his chest and stomach at close range. Maybe this'll turn out to be the same type of shit... But I can also tell you that you don't need to turn and face someone to pop some rounds off at them. maybe to you, but legally as the story sits, gas station owner is in deeeeeep shit. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 10:42:28 PM EDT
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I detest thieves.
However, back shooting someone suspected of stealing something from a convience store is pretty fucking stupid. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 11:07:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What crime? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't care what the the coroner, judge or jury says. It was a good shoot. Crime should not pay. What crime? We all know what he was doing. Five finger discount. |
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Posted: 5/29/2023 11:19:05 PM EDT
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If the shooter is a member here it would be a timeout - minimum. Possibly a ban if he has shot a robber before.
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