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Posted: 12/2/2011 3:48:49 PM EST
What a phenomenal movie. I can't believe I haven't seen it til now. It's probably the most poignantly American thing I have ever seen.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 3:51:45 PM EST
[#1]
I bought it.  Have yet to watch it. Maybe I will do that tomorrow.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 3:55:21 PM EST
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I bought it.  Have yet to watch it. Maybe I will do that tomorrow.


It's pretty long, I did it in two sessions because I think it was originally designed with an intermission. But I would say it is truly one of the best films I have ever seen, let alone military films.

 
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 3:58:21 PM EST
[#3]
Good movie yep !

I like The little round top part the most !
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:00:22 PM EST
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I bought it.  Have yet to watch it. Maybe I will do that tomorrow.


It's pretty long, I did it in two sessions because I think it was originally designed with an intermission. But I would say it is truly one of the best films I have ever seen, let alone military films.  


I saw it in the theater. There was a 10 minute intermission.

 



I liked Tom Beringer as Longstreet but didn't care for Martin Sheen as Lee.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:00:33 PM EST
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Visited Gettysburg over Thanksgiving. Pretty awesome, well worth the trip.









Last two pictures are of Little Round Top from the Union position.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:02:54 PM EST
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I bought it.  Have yet to watch it. Maybe I will do that tomorrow.

It's pretty long, I did it in two sessions because I think it was originally designed with an intermission. But I would say it is truly one of the best films I have ever seen, let alone military films.  


I watched the other one.  Gods and generals.  I liked it a lot.  What I really want to own is that PBS series from about 20 years back.  That was great.

Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:04:33 PM EST
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saw that same view when I was there back in June home on leave. Did a day trip there with Dad, my little brother, and a buddy who I used to be stationed at Dyess AFB with
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:12:16 PM EST
[#8]
The battle on Little Round Top always fascinated me, after watching the movie, and then seeing it in real life.  I wonder if the land during the battle was a forest like in the movie or wide open as it is today?  Always was curious.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:14:20 PM EST
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Visited Gettysburg over Thanksgiving. Pretty awesome, well worth the trip.

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Last two pictures are of Little Round Top from the Union position.


Yes, definitely visit the battlefield. I did it several years ago. For some reason, though, I thought Antietam was more moving but I can't explain why.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:23:41 PM EST
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The battle scenes were great, but I thought the acting was second rate, and the beards were horrible.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:31:34 PM EST
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The battle scenes were great, but I thought the acting was second rate, and the beards were horrible.


The beards were awesome.

 
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:32:37 PM EST
[#12]
Good movie, as is Gods and Generals.  Very long, though.

I just had to buy the books again, because my copy of The Killer Angels had disappeared.  I got the boxed set including The Last Full Measure, which I haven't read yet.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:36:20 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:37:40 PM EST
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I've seen it at least a dozen times and every time Chamberlain orders "Bayonets!!!!!!!!!", the hairs stand up on my arms and the back of my neck.




Absolutely great movie.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:38:01 PM EST
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The battle scenes were great, but I thought the acting was second rate, and the beards were horrible.


I agree. I was especially disappointed with the acting, considering the caliber of the cast.

But, I absolutely love the movie all the same. Its one of my favorite movies, period.

Also, keep in mind it was originally supposed to be a made for cable miniseries.



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Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:41:01 PM EST
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I've seen it at least a dozen times and every time Chamberlain orders "Bayonets!!!!!!!!!", the hairs stand up on my arms and the back of my neck.

That whole scene is great. The man couldn't have led any better.

 
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:41:32 PM EST
[#17]
Great movie.



General Chamberlain is buried down the street from the house I grew up in.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 4:48:29 PM EST
[#18]
If the Confederacy (of which my 3G Grandfather was in the infantry) would have won, we wouldn't have had all the crap we do today with welfare, Obamacare, social security, gun control, and the rest of it.  If only Jeff Davis and the Confederate Congress would have listened to General Lee and freed the slaves, the yankees would have lost the moral high ground and probably the war.

Gettysburg is a very somber place, as is Antietam.  This past October, I visited the spot on both battlefields where my Grandpa John J. Handley's unit fought.  He survived the war.  His brother didn't, so my Grandpa married his brother wife, raised his brother's kids, and cranked out another 5 or 6 with my 3G Grandma.  It's humbling to have stood where they did, almost 150 years ago.

STATES' RIGHTS!!!!

-David
Edgewood, NM
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:04:27 PM EST
[#19]
IMDB trivia states that all of the main casts facial hair is real with the exception of C. Thomas Howell's muttonchops.

My wife is after me to grow a Tom Berenger/Longstreet beard.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:04:35 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:10:42 PM EST
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Visited Gettysburg over Thanksgiving. Pretty awesome, well worth the trip.

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Last two pictures are of Little Round Top from the Union position.


Yes, definitely visit the battlefield. I did it several years ago. For some reason, though, I thought Antietam was more moving but I can't explain why.


My wife and I visited both Antietam and Gettysburg.  My recommendation is to visit Antietam first because the battle there preceeded Gettysburg. The Union's failure to pursue Lee back into VA after the battle prolonged the war.  Had McLellan pursued Lee aggressively after Antietam, there would have never been a battle of Gettysburg and the subsequent sacrifice of 58,000 additional lives.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:14:01 PM EST
[#22]
GREAT MOVIE
so is Gods and Generals


a trip to the park is always an effort worth the time
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:14:12 PM EST
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If the Confederacy (of which my 3G Grandfather was in the infantry) would have won, we wouldn't have had all the crap we do today with welfare, Obamacare, social security, gun control, and the rest of it. If only Jeff Davis and the Confederate Congress would have listened to General Lee and freed the slaves, the yankees would have lost the moral high ground and probably the war.



Gettysburg is a very somber place, as is Antietam. This past October, I visited the spot on both battlefields where my Grandpa John J. Handley's unit fought. He survived the war. His brother didn't, so my Grandpa married his brother wife, raised his brother's kids, and cranked out another 5 or 6 with my 3G Grandma. It's humbling to have stood where they did, almost 150 years ago.



STATES' RIGHTS!!!!



-David

Edgewood, NM


Kind of difficult to play that game.



How would the 20th Century have gone with a fractured America?



Probably better.  Our lack if involvement in WWI would have been more likely, which would have been a very good thing and perhaps would have even prevented a WWII and Cold War.

Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:15:31 PM EST
[#24]
There is alot of PC bull shit in that movie.   But all in all, still one of my favs
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:19:37 PM EST
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There is alot of PC bull shit in that movie. But all in all, still one of my favs




What might that be?  I never caught it.  I did notice it is almost identical, word-for-word, to the book.  Missing a few scenes but that's about the only difference.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:21:38 PM EST
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I bought it.  Have yet to watch it. Maybe I will do that tomorrow.


you bought it and have not watched it yet.....how could you...lol it's really good.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:23:13 PM EST
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Visited Gettysburg over Thanksgiving. Pretty awesome, well worth the trip.

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Last two pictures are of Little Round Top from the Union position.

been hear three time's and still have not seen every thing.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:24:17 PM EST
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The battle scenes were great, but I thought the acting was second rate, and the beards were horrible.

The beards were awesome.  


I heard they had their own trailer on the set.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:27:17 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:28:04 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:29:40 PM EST
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Kind of difficult to play that game.



How would the 20th Century have gone with a fractured America?



Probably better. Our lack if involvement in WWI would have been more likely, which would have been a very good thing and perhaps would have even prevented a WWII and Cold War.



I doubt it would of altered the start of the war, but it may have altered the end.









Which war?  It would most certainly have altered WWI and for the better.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:36:19 PM EST
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The acting was mostly very good. (Martin Sheen as Lee!?). The script and makeup was mostly bad. I'd like to see a new and better production. For a Ted Turner project, it was watchable. A lot of material to cover that missed some important engagements. I'd have liked to have seen the  East Cavalry Field engagements of July the 3rd depicted. If the Union cavalry (notably Custer) hadn't stopped Stewart, the Union center would have absolutely broke.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:38:06 PM EST
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I actually saw it in the theater when it was first released. There was a much needed intermission. It was truly awesome on the big screen.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:40:57 PM EST
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The battle scenes were great, but I thought the acting was second rate, and the beards were horrible.


I hope the makeup man/woman that did that never worked again in Hollywood. Great movie but the beards were distractingly bad.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:42:02 PM EST
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Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:44:43 PM EST
[#36]
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If the Confederacy (of which my 3G Grandfather was in the infantry) would have won, we wouldn't have had all the crap we do today with welfare, Obamacare, social security, gun control, and the rest of it.  If only Jeff Davis and the Confederate Congress would have listened to General Lee and freed the slaves, the yankees would have lost the moral high ground and probably the war.

Gettysburg is a very somber place, as is Antietam.  This past October, I visited the spot on both battlefields where my Grandpa John J. Handley's unit fought.  He survived the war.  His brother didn't, so my Grandpa married his brother wife, raised his brother's kids, and cranked out another 5 or 6 with my 3G Grandma.  It's humbling to have stood where they did, almost 150 years ago.

STATES' RIGHTS!!!!

-David
Edgewood, NM


If only your Aunt had a cock and a set of balls, she'd be your uncle. Gen Lee owned  260 slaves, why the hell would he want to free them?

Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:48:34 PM EST
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I've seen it at least a dozen times and every time Chamberlain orders "Bayonets!!!!!!!!!", the hairs stand up on my arms and the back of my neck.
That whole scene is great. The man couldn't have led any better.  


My first Christmas in the Air Force was spent at Gettysburg.  I didn't have the leave or money to make it home, so I spent it out there.

I had the place almost entirely to myself both days I was there.  Finnnnaly being on Little Round Top was chilling (like most of the rest of the place).  It was incredible to be at the exact spot where one of the pivotal moments in US history occurred.  Very cool place.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 5:54:16 PM EST
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Visited Gettysburg over Thanksgiving. Pretty awesome, well worth the trip.

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1705/img0256d.jpg

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9493/img0212fy.jpg

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1760/img0232hn.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4360/img0230yl.jpg

Last two pictures are of Little Round Top from the Union position.

You should be glad the Park Service has been restoring the battlefield back to the 1863 look. The tree huggers have been up in arms, but it has opened up the views a lot.

So anyone who hasn't been there in a few years, it may be worth the trip back. Unfortunately the new Visitors Center blows monkey chunks though.
 


Haven't been to the new visitor's center. We haven't been back in about 4 years and they were just doing the clear cutting in front of devil's den.  Pretty awesome seeing those recent pics.

I've been there about five times or so and know the battle like the back of my hand.

I'm glad they are turning the old visitor center area back into battlefield area.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 6:02:46 PM EST
[#39]
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 6:08:09 PM EST
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Visited Gettysburg over Thanksgiving. Pretty awesome, well worth the trip.

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/1705/img0256d.jpg

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9493/img0212fy.jpg

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/1760/img0232hn.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/4360/img0230yl.jpg

Last two pictures are of Little Round Top from the Union position.

You should be glad the Park Service has been restoring the battlefield back to the 1863 look. The tree huggers have been up in arms, but it has opened up the views a lot.

So anyone who hasn't been there in a few years, it may be worth the trip back. Unfortunately the new Visitors Center blows monkey chunks though.
 


Haven't been to the new visitor's center. We haven't been back in about 4 years and they were just doing the clear cutting in front of devil's den.  Pretty awesome seeing those recent pics.

I've been there about five times or so and know the battle like the back of my hand.

I'm glad they are turning the old visitor center area back into battlefield area.

the new visitors center is awsome.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 6:19:18 PM EST
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If the Confederacy (of which my 3G Grandfather was in the infantry) would have won, we wouldn't have had all the crap we do today with welfare, Obamacare, social security, gun control, and the rest of it.  If only Jeff Davis and the Confederate Congress would have listened to General Lee and freed the slaves, the yankees would have lost the moral high ground and probably the war.

Gettysburg is a very somber place, as is Antietam.  This past October, I visited the spot on both battlefields where my Grandpa John J. Handley's unit fought.  He survived the war.  His brother didn't, so my Grandpa married his brother wife, raised his brother's kids, and cranked out another 5 or 6 with my 3G Grandma.  It's humbling to have stood where they did, almost 150 years ago.

STATES' RIGHTS!!!!

-David
Edgewood, NM


If only your Aunt had a cock and a set of balls, she'd be your uncle. Gen Lee owned  260 slaves, why the hell would he want to free them?



General Lee found slavery morally repugnant, as did Thomas Jefferson, yet both owned slaves.  Lee recognized that freeing the slaves would refocus the cause on States' Rights, which is what the war was about to start with.

But as a public-school educated Yankee that probably voted for Obama, I doubt you have the capacity to think critically about States' Rights.

-David
Edgewood, NM
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 6:29:15 PM EST
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If the Confederacy (of which my 3G Grandfather was in the infantry) would have won, we wouldn't have had all the crap we do today with welfare, Obamacare, social security, gun control, and the rest of it.  If only Jeff Davis and the Confederate Congress would have listened to General Lee and freed the slaves, the yankees would have lost the moral high ground and probably the war.

Gettysburg is a very somber place, as is Antietam.  This past October, I visited the spot on both battlefields where my Grandpa John J. Handley's unit fought.  He survived the war.  His brother didn't, so my Grandpa married his brother wife, raised his brother's kids, and cranked out another 5 or 6 with my 3G Grandma.  It's humbling to have stood where they did, almost 150 years ago.

STATES' RIGHTS!!!!

-David
Edgewood, NM


If only your Aunt had a cock and a set of balls, she'd be your uncle. Gen Lee owned  260 slaves, why the hell would he want to free them?



General Lee found slavery morally repugnant, as did Thomas Jefferson, yet both owned slaves.  Lee recognized that freeing the slaves would refocus the cause on States' Rights, which is what the war was about to start with.

But as a public-school educated Yankee that probably voted for Obama, I doubt you have the capacity to think critically about States' Rights.

-David
Edgewood, NM


Your arguement is so hollow, your position so weak that you quickly resort to insults. Are we to assume that you are a private schooled southerner? Are you what such a system produces?

Link Posted: 12/2/2011 6:39:30 PM EST
[#43]
Tim-the-Enchanter:

Did you read the post to which I replied?  First I was insulted by Weptek911, then by you....and yet you call me out for resorting to insults.

Interesting...

-David
Edgewood, NM
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 7:27:44 PM EST
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Tim-the-Enchanter:

Did you read the post to which I replied?  First I was insulted by Weptek911, then by you....and yet you call me out for resorting to insults.

Interesting...

-David
Edgewood, NM


Grow a thicker skin. I didn't insult you. Gen. Lee (spit) owned over 200 slaves at  the beginning of the war and wrote that it was God's will , that it be the white man's duty to own them until they could be Christianized. If Lee was an abolitionist he certainly would not have led a rebellion in order to keep them.

And as far as voting for Obama? No. Fail.

Slavery was the cornerstone of the Confederacy. Don't believe me, Read the original source documents written by the principals at the time.

Alexander Stephens, Vice President of the CSA

Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner- stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 8:23:57 PM EST
[#45]
I enjoyed the movie alot.  Great entertainment.  Reasonably well done.  Generally not Oscar worthy, however.

Unfortunately, the casting of Martin Sheen as Lee was a serious blunder IMO.  He was awful. Overacted. Completely unbelievable as Lee.  As much as I like Sam Elliot in most of his roles, I thought he overdid his part as Buford a tad.

I'll watch it anytime it comes on.  Love the history.  Really helps to have visited the battlefield.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 8:36:28 PM EST
[#46]
Great movie.  I recall visiting the spot where Gen Armistead fell.  The high water mark indeed.  Such a tragedy, but it took 2 more years to figure it out...

The victors get to write the history books, and have subsequently made the war about slavery rather than states' rights.

Slavery was the cornerstone of the southern economy but mechanization was making it an untenable institution that would likely have died by the hand of market force in time.  The only GOOD thing to come out of the WAR BETWEEN THE STATES was ending slavery.  The other things we got was a more powerful federal government, weaker states, and a further transition down the road from REPUBLIC to mob rule.

-David
Edgewood, NM
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 8:39:16 PM EST
[#47]
For old Virginia!

Link Posted: 12/2/2011 9:09:49 PM EST
[#48]
good movie.
i live about 20 miles from gettysburg. i dont get there enough.
everytime i go to the battlefield,(1-2 a month) i still get emotional about it.
that place has some powerfull effect on me.
Link Posted: 12/2/2011 9:16:57 PM EST
[#49]


As much as I am a Union man, it makes me grieve when I see the sensless slaughter of Pickett's charge. It's almost as though Lee was trying to throw the war to make such a bad and murderous decision.  Gettysburg is indeed hallowed ground.

Link Posted: 12/2/2011 9:23:29 PM EST
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I've seen it at least a dozen times and every time Chamberlain orders "Bayonets!!!!!!!!!", the hairs stand up on my arms and the back of my neck.







That's one of the best moments in any movie I've ever seen. I get goose bumps and I get choked up.
 
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