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Posted: 12/18/2017 8:24:06 PM EST
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3561/DSC_0623_JPG-394493.jpgFor the record, a bow saw! |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 8:27:14 PM EST
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1972,,,90 stitches in my left knee cap,,,problem free since then.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 8:32:05 PM EST
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High potential. Chainsaws earned a warning label. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 8:35:32 PM EST
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I've experienced kickback numerous times on my Husqvarna 372XP pro saw. The brake engaged and that was that.
I've never really noticed it on smaller cc saws. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 8:43:45 PM EST
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Posted: 12/18/2017 8:45:53 PM EST
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My cousin just had one go into his left upper leg this weekend. 36 stitches and some staples later he said he’s good as new
The amount of blood on the ground looked hellacious |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:04:24 PM EST
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Compared to what, the Bubonic Plague? |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:09:59 PM EST
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You get better at identifying the things that lead to kickback with experience. Imo the frequency is lower when you know what to watch out for, but the consequences and speed it happens will wreck your day.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:16:45 PM EST
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Most has been said, but won't be appreciated.
-when you're smoked and getting sloppy with technique -trying to cut wood laying in odd spots/angles -wear ppe |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:23:25 PM EST
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Buddy of mine I have cut trees with for 30yrs had it happen last summer....he has had 60 yrs experience with felling trees,operating heavy equipment,
and farming. He was tired and it took him by surprise...he's ok but that day I said enough...we are old and tired and pushing it makes accidents happen. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:25:06 PM EST
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I'm glad for this thread. My dad cuts a lot of trees at his cabin and it always makes me nervous, especially because he just wears boots and jeans. Anyways I've been trying to figure out what to get him for Christmas and this thread gave me the idea to get him chaps and a helmet/facemask for Christmas. Just ordered.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:26:24 PM EST
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Obligatory "it happens faster than you would think" video.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQprZevgbxU
I try to keep my face and body out of the chain line. Wear ppe always and don't cut when you are tired. That's terrifying. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:26:58 PM EST
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If none of you are familiar with fence companies. You should watch a guy cut notches out of locust posts for the oak rails to fit through on a 3 rail fence...with a regular chain saw. Worst ones are end posts that need a blind hole. Cringeworthy
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:28:42 PM EST
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The property I now own came up for sale because the previous owner had a saw kickback and cut his throat. It was a few days before anyone found him. 
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:33:19 PM EST
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A chainsaw is more dangerous than all of the guns in your safe. Far more likley to get hurt with one than have an ND or KB happen. Treat them with the utmost respect. This. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:36:56 PM EST
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It's scared the shit out of me, even with my small Stihl.
I stay far out of the path of the saw, and pay attention to the end of the bar always. Been meaning to buy some chaps to throw in the truck toolbox when I do alot of cutting while camping. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:44:54 PM EST
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I don't have the weeks or months that some of you guys have behind a saw, so I know I don't know everything. I can say that I've never experienced a kickback - some of that may be stupid luck - but some of it comes down to what I'd say is common sense. IE: make sure the saw is in good working order, the chain is adjusted correctly and in decent shape, keep your body out of line with the bar/cut, keep a solid grip on the saw, have good footing and be mindful of what you are doing. I've always used the safety chains - they might not be as fast, but I don't really care given my situation as a casual user.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:47:41 PM EST
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I have a ms260 and have felt its push and pull. I've felt the tick of a touched tip. My saw want's to hurt me. It watches; it waits for the moment it can strike.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:53:33 PM EST
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As a general rule, if you aren't holding the saw in a position where you could read the logo on the bar, you're putting yourself in danger.
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Most has been said, but won't be appreciated. -when you're smoked and getting sloppy with technique -trying to cut wood laying in odd spots/angles -wear ppe |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:53:51 PM EST
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Most has been said, but won't be appreciated. -when you're smoked and getting sloppy with technique -trying to cut wood laying in odd spots/angles -wear ppe felling a single tree, when you can work on it slowly and the wedges do their thing, no problem. but a pre-tensioned tree, all hung up on others -- you got a box of chocolates waiting for you. fucking pay attention. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:54:53 PM EST
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I've seen loggers take a brand new saw and take all the safety features off of it before they ever cut the first stick.
I was like WTF is wrong with you? He said that shit weighs too much. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:55:29 PM EST
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Plunge cuts worry me.  |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:56:59 PM EST
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I believe the death rate for the logging industry is between 100 and 150 per 100,000 workers per year. The death rate for motorcyclists is around 80 per 100,000 registered motorcycles per yer. Given that loggers probably spend 5x the amount of time logging per year as motorcyclists spend riding I would say that logging is probably half as dangerous as motorcycle riding. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 9:58:27 PM EST
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:01:23 PM EST
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/3561/DSC_0623_JPG-394493.jpgFor the record, a bow saw! Shit happens quick. We never had any saw accidents on my crew. Don’t push guys to go fast, and they can take their time to be safe. Going home in one piece is the best way to go home. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:03:22 PM EST
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Kickback can hurt you in a hurry. My brother used to cut timber for a living. He had a saw kickback, go through his chaps, and get him on the inside of the thigh. He had to wait 35 minutes for the skidder to get back to help him, and another 1.5 hours to the nearest hospital. He got 46 stitches on the inside of his right thigh. Big saws with a chisel chain are no joke. The chaps were almost brand new Husquvarnas. He decided to quit logging after that and get a safe job. He works for the local power company now.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:05:13 PM EST
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I'm glad for this thread. My dad cuts a lot of trees at his cabin and it always makes me nervous, especially because he just wears boots and jeans. Anyways I've been trying to figure out what to get him for Christmas and this thread gave me the idea to get him chaps and a helmet/facemask for Christmas. Just ordered. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:06:21 PM EST
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since it's going less than the speed of sound, the chainsaw will bounce around inside your head until your brain turns into mashed potatoes.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:08:14 PM EST
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It's scared the shit out of me, even with my small Stihl. I stay far out of the path of the saw, and pay attention to the end of the bar always. Been meaning to buy some chaps to throw in the truck toolbox when I do alot of cutting while camping. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:09:27 PM EST
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ETA: Kickback is only one safety concern with a chainsaw.... LOTS of things can go wrong there.  chainsaws are dangerous, use with care. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:14:42 PM EST
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A few techniques that translates from axes to chainsaws.
Plan every cut. Clear debris and branches the best you can and understand how they could affect the cut. Plant yourself solid for each cut so you can maintain control of the tool. Never create an arc path that can come back to you. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:15:06 PM EST
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Had one kick back on my left knee a year or so ago. I was extremely lucky that it didn't give me more than a nick.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:26:36 PM EST
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Keep both hands on the saw, don’t file or grind your rakers too short and you should be fine. Safety is no accident. 
Corny saying, but it’s true. You must learn how to be safe, train to be safe and then put those practices into use every single time. That’s how all my guys and I went home in one piece each night. Saws are like guns, in the respect that you shouldn’t fear them. But you must respect what they can do, and learn how to properly handle them. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:32:33 PM EST
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If you have good upper body strength and know how to pay attention, it is no big deal. 44cc and less chainsaws with controlled feed chains are not a big deal. I have ran them for decades in shorts, flip flops, t-shirt and a ball hat with safety glasses.
Now if you get into pro grade saws, 50cc and larger, with some chains that really do business, you better have the right gear and some balls. If you are a pussy, wear the gear when you grab a pair of scissors. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:32:43 PM EST
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Barbershop trees scare me much more. And dead limbs that break and are thrown as trees fall, sometimes thru other standing trees.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:33:32 PM EST
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:34:50 PM EST
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This Run an 85cc + with a chisel chain and get back to me. Lol at harry homeowner giving advice regarding their Poulan. https://s13.postimg.org/xl51vhu2f/F43_AB29_E-3542-4_AE5-81_F2-97_F1_C5_C0_C584.jpg
I ran a shitty 18" 44cc Poulan all day last Saturday at 7000 feet. It was humbling, getting old sucks. My saw broke the carb linkage so I had to buy a new one just to save the day. I took it back, piece of shit, wouldn't stay running. Big box store homeowner grade saws are jetted too lean for EPA. Any saw you buy will need a tune, and you need some fucking external metric knurled spline fucking shit to turn the carb screws. They aren't slotted. California saws have plastic shit on the needles so you can't adjust them. When I lived in CA I took three saws back the same day................ I put a new carb on mine for $25 and back in business. In the national forest, the trees are quite large. The few trees I cut really taxed the small saw. Proper saws.....yeah, kick back. Get a helmet, face guard, gloves, kevlar pants, boots, etc. Math this out city fuckers. Buying a cord of wood can get real cheap. I still have hall passes for 6 cords of national forest wood. If I go back in the spring, that will be the last time in my life I run a chain saw. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:35:06 PM EST
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Obligatory "it happens faster than you would think" video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQprZevgbxUI try to keep my face and body out of the chain line. Wear ppe always and don't cut when you are tired. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:36:18 PM EST
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I just bought a new husky 20" farm boss or whatever they call em earlier this past spring. It has an electronic brake feature. It saved me once already. I knew of kick back but thanks to this thread I now know about the danger zone and what caused that kick back. I actually asked for a full PPE set for Xmas as all I was using before was a hard hat, ear plugs and glasses.
For what it's worth I've used saws causally since I was 14. My friend and I taught ourselves over the course of a few summers working in our yards (fucking emerald ash borers). |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:39:11 PM EST
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I had a 20" saw jump out of my hands and it went right between my legs, landing in the dirt some 15' behind me. I picked it up and went home. I did not pick a saw back up for 3 or 4 months after that. I did not have a scratch on me but it could have been REAL BAD. Scared the fuck out of me. I was alone in the woods and I was lucky that day.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:39:46 PM EST
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I learned to keep the left elbow locked when using a chainsaw. If there is a kickback, the arm should rotate at the shoulder and not the elbow which should keep the chain away from your body.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:40:42 PM EST
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Most all saws can kick back btw.
Be careful with circular saws. Make sure you stand to the side of them and the guard is working properly / down fast. Treat all power tools with respect like a firearm, dont be careless and start to actively ask yourself: "how could this thing ruin my life" and how to avoid it.  Circular Saw Kickback |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:42:31 PM EST
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I don't think I ever want to use a chainsaw again.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:44:10 PM EST
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:47:15 PM EST
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I know guys that take jugs and cases of beer with them out cutting firewood. Come back with a load on. Never got hurt or wrecked that I recall. The Lord watches out for fools, I guess. I'm extra cautious around chainsaws.
About 30 years ago I got a job cutting trees away from power lines. The dude I worked with was a wiry little half wit, but he worked hard. We were out in the boonies. The boss left us alone with our lunches and took off for parts unknown. I think he had a woman on the sly. Anyway, we had a row of about 30 trees to take down and bust up. Got down to the last tree in the row. A hairy Chinese elm. I stood and watched while Warren crawled into that jungle of branches and commenced to cutting down that tree. Just as it started coming down, a funky gust of wind, like a whirlwind, came up and spun that tree around 180 and it fell right across Warren. I knew he had to be fucked up. I ran over there, dove into the branches, and found Warren doubled over on has knees with the trunk across his back. The saw still running hard and the chain was no more than 2 inches from his nose. I shut the saw off and lifted what I could and Warren came up out of there laughing his ass off. Not a scratch. Tree didn't crush him and the saw didn't cut him. Sometime I think about what a nightmare that would have been if he got fucked up and us having no transportation and no way to call for help. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:48:44 PM EST
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I don't think I ever want to use a chainsaw again. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:50:53 PM EST
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I know guys that take jugs and cases of beer with them out cutting firewood. Come back with a load on. Never got hurt or wrecked that I recall. The Lord watches out for fools, I guess. I'm extra cautious around chainsaws. About 30 years ago I got a job cutting trees away from power lines. The dude I worked with was a wiry little half wit, but he worked hard. We were out in the boonies. The boss left us alone with our lunches and took off for parts unknown. I think he had a woman on the sly. Anyway, we had a row of about 30 trees to take down and bust up. Got down to the last tree in the row. A hairy Chinese elm. I stood and watched while Warren crawled into that jungle of branches and commenced to cutting down that tree. Just as it started coming down, a funky gust of wind, like a whirlwind, came up and spun that tree around 180 and it fell right across Warren. I knew he had to be fucked up. I ran over there, dove into the branches, and found Warren doubled over on has knees with the trunk across his back. The saw still running hard and the chain was no more than 2 inches from his nose. I shut the saw off and lifted what I could and Warren came up out of there laughing his ass off. Not a scratch. Tree didn't crush him and the saw didn't cut him. Sometime I think about what a nightmare that would have been if he got fucked up and us having no transportation and no way to call for help. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:51:35 PM EST
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I'm going to buy an MS261 next week. This was a good thread to read. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:53:52 PM EST
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If you understand how kickback occurs, it's easy to avoid. Quite simply, don't put the tip of the bar in the wood. This is what an anti-kickback device does. If you have a 20 inch bar, don't cut anything bigger than 18 inches. You can, but you have to cut around first, reducing the effective diameter. Don't operate any power tools tired or frustrated, ever. Also a good rule. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 10:56:35 PM EST
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I've mentioned it on here before but the short version.... My brother got over 250 stitches to re-create his upper lip after he cut it off with a chainsaw due to a kickback. Yes, it happens lightning fast.
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