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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:42:47 PM EDT
[#1]
Fast enough.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:43:28 PM EDT
[#2]
Two to a C-5 or one per C-17 if I remember right.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:44:42 PM EDT
[#3]
There's a reason we have them pre-staged in different locations.
It takes a ship or train to move them in decent quantities. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:47:02 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:47:31 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Two to a C-5 or one per C-17 if I remember right. I had no idea the C-5 had a capacity around 1/4 mil pounds. I have had the lower half of an M1 on an RGN, and that bitch was pretty heavy. IIRC, around 85,000 lbs ish. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:48:01 PM EDT
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Quoted: Two to a C-5 or one per C-17 if I remember right. Quoted: There's a reason we have them pre-staged in different locations. It takes a ship or train to move them in decent quantities. We're sending 31. With the above info, I would say it could be done within days. Just my opinion. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:48:48 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We're sending 31. With the above info, I would say it could be done within days. Just my opinion. Or less. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:51:31 PM EDT
[#8]
Assuming they aren't already loaded in a ship and halfway to Ukraine right about now?
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:52:07 PM EDT
[#9]
Limitation is readiness and lift capacity, not "capability," per se.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:52:25 PM EDT
[#10]
Getting them there is the quick part.
Better question is how long to get people trained in the use, tactics and maintenance? |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:52:30 PM EDT
[#11]
Tomorrow if you’re talking two. Several days or even weeks if you’re talking a lot and depending on what theatre they’re going to.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:52:40 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Two to a C-5 or one per C-17 if I remember right. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:55:27 PM EDT
[#13]
Aren’t there a bunch still propositioned in Germany? Wouldn’t that be quicker to get them to a training area?
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:55:53 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Two to a C-5 or one per C-17 if I remember right. I’d heard the same thing. I’m curious if we have an Air Force Loadmaster around who could chime in |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:57:23 PM EDT
[#15]
USAF has 52 C-5s and 222 C-17. Now assuming even half those birds are operational that’s 52 abrams via C-5 (2 ea) and 111 via C-17 (1ea) for 163 total.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 8:57:41 PM EDT
[#16]
How many fuel trucks are they sending too?
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:02:02 PM EDT
[#17]
The Marines used to use pre-positioning ships fully loaded with everything they needed. Sent the ships to staging areas so they could be there before the untit actually got there.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:03:59 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tomorrow if you’re talking two. Several days or even weeks if you’re talking a lot and depending on what theatre they’re going to. Sweet, overnight shipping available on an M1 purchase. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:04:09 PM EDT
[#19]
Any discussion if these are export models? I would assume they are, but Ukraine is the golden child, so maybe not
If so, how many export models do we have lying around?? |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:04:37 PM EDT
[#20]
What do you think Space X is for?
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:08:01 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Any discussion if these are export models? I would assume they are, but Ukraine is the golden child, so maybe not If so, how many export models do we have lying around?? None as far as it appears, that is likely why the most recent news is new production. Unless Egypt or SA want to donate theirs and piss off Russia forever. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:10:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: None as far as it appears, that is likely why the most recent news is new production. Unless Egypt or SA want to donate theirs and piss off Russia forever. Egypt manufacturers them. So hopefully they can sell them? |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:11:07 PM EDT
[#23]
Can a Globemaster LAPES an M1?
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:11:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Assuming they aren't already loaded in a ship and halfway to Ukraine right about now? Or sitting a few miles from the border in Poland. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:14:51 PM EDT
[#25]
This is so bad...
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:15:21 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Fast enough. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:15:46 PM EDT
[#27]
I know how fast we can deliver pallets of cash into hostile territory.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:18:27 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many fuel trucks are they sending too? This is something people often over looked. The good news is that the entire reason they have the turbines is to run of of sunny fuel found in Eastern Europe. It will be the first time they operate where they were designed to. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:18:46 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many fuel trucks are they sending too? And turret + hull mechanics along with the spare parts to keep them running. Generally Dynamics is going to make some $$ off this I bet. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:25:35 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How many fuel trucks are they sending too? Thinking the same…fuel, crew, will the roads, bridges handle the weight |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:30:35 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This and in 18 hours or less with enough AC. I seent it. Not with M1 but a C-5 full of my ass, and a tanker along the way. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:39:32 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Getting them there is the quick part. Better question is how long to get people trained in the use, tactics and maintenance? Came here to post this. Heard someone today that is familiar with them talking about how much is involved to keep them operating properly, plus a good number of spare parts are needed to keep them running. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:41:02 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Came here to post this. Heard someone today that is familiar with them talking about how much is involved to keep them operating properly, plus a good number of spare parts are needed to keep them running. We train 17-18 year olds to operate these. Converting already trained tankers is not hard |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:41:44 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I’d heard the same thing. I’m curious if we have an Air Force Loadmaster around who could chime in Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Two to a C-5 or one per C-17 if I remember right. I’d heard the same thing. I’m curious if we have an Air Force Loadmaster around who could chime in Loads are glorified cargo babysitters. Ask for an aerial porter, we do all the real work.  An abrams will take up the maximum ACL of a 17, as they weigh damn near 150,000 pounds. Airlifting a tank quickly isnt hard. Airlifting an entire battalion, along with all the support equipment, personnel, ammo, and parts quickly is. As stated above, we have a fuckton of tanks staged in that region of the world for a reason. Air lifting the mentioned battalion would take probably all the C17s, all of the C5s, and more than a dozen KC-10s from Travis AFB, Dover AFB, and Charleston AFB (probably north of 80 aircraft at that point) combined. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:45:00 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sweet, overnight shipping available on an M1 purchase. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Tomorrow if you’re talking two. Several days or even weeks if you’re talking a lot and depending on what theatre they’re going to. Sweet, overnight shipping available on an M1 purchase. Yep, only the US military can ship weapons faster than PSA
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:47:01 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Loads are glorified cargo babysitters. Ask for an aerial porter, we do all the real work. An abrams will take up the maximum ACL of a 17, as they weigh damn near 150,000 pounds. Airlifting a tank quickly isnt hard. Airlifting an entire battalion, along with all the support equipment, personnel, ammo, and parts quickly is not. As stated above, we have a fuckton of tanks staged in that region of the world for a reason. Air lifting the mentioned battalion would take probably all the C17s, all of the C5s, and more than a dozen KC-10s from Travis AFB, Dover AFB, and Charleston AFB (probably north of 80 aircraft at that point) combined. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Two to a C-5 or one per C-17 if I remember right. I’d heard the same thing. I’m curious if we have an Air Force Loadmaster around who could chime in Loads are glorified cargo babysitters. Ask for an aerial porter, we do all the real work. An abrams will take up the maximum ACL of a 17, as they weigh damn near 150,000 pounds. Airlifting a tank quickly isnt hard. Airlifting an entire battalion, along with all the support equipment, personnel, ammo, and parts quickly is not. As stated above, we have a fuckton of tanks staged in that region of the world for a reason. Air lifting the mentioned battalion would take probably all the C17s, all of the C5s, and more than a dozen KC-10s from Travis AFB, Dover AFB, and Charleston AFB (probably north of 80 aircraft at that point) combined. Wouldn’t that make for a sweet training mission. Hey Russia, check this out. Oh yeah, China, you take notes too. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:49:42 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This and in 18 hours or less with enough AC. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Two to a C-5 or one per C-17 if I remember right. Aircraft isn't the problem with the USAF. It's certified crews to put shit on a non paved environment. 130 crews are generally easy to keep up on various certs. C17s are stuck running tarmac to tarmac with various runs for the current debacle of the month. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:50:13 PM EDT
[#38]
dont these things require some sort of transport truck? i mean do you just roll them out of the aircraft, get on the local interstate and boogy into ukraine?
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:52:47 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: dont these things require some sort of transport truck? i mean do you just roll them out of the aircraft, get on the local interstate and boogy into ukraine? They don't necessarily require a truck. You'll save a fuckload of fuel and some wear/tear on the fragile mechvagina parts if you do trailer it. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:52:52 PM EDT
[#40]
As much as this Country is sucking the Ukraine cock, they will probably fly every one of them over there.
Air lifting the mentioned battalion would take probably all the C17s, all of the C5s, and more than a dozen KC-10s from Travis AFB, Dover AFB, and Charleston AFB (probably north of 80 aircraft at that point) combined. All worth it to support The Ukraine, we should give them the cargo planes too. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:55:37 PM EDT
[#41]
So I guess that we will officially have troops on the ground, exposed to Putin's nukes or bio weapons.....
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Posted: 1/25/2023 9:58:31 PM EDT
[#42]
I'm just relieved there are so many gas turbine experts over there, chilling with the jet fuel laying around. And abrams tanker school is a long weekend, right? 13 units should turn the tide.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:02:58 PM EDT
[#43]
Depends on the version. Some versions we are not goingto deploy to some geographies - if you know what I'm saying
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:04:30 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on the version. Some versions we are not goingto deploy to some geographies - if you know what I'm saying I do. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:07:41 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So I guess that we will officially have troops on the ground, exposed to Putin's nukes or bio weapons.....  You should post less often if this is what you believe. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:10:25 PM EDT
[#46]
This seems pretty impressive. And fastest.
https://breakingdefense.com/2017/03/army-soldiers-slash-time-to-move-from-port-to-front-deterring-russia/?amp=1 Granted it’s a whole Armor Brigade. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:13:40 PM EDT
[#47]
The tanks are already in Europe. Airlifting tanks is a waste of resources.
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:17:51 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: USAF has 52 C-5s and 222 C-17. Now assuming even half those birds are operational that’s 52 abrams via C-5 (2 ea) and 111 via C-17 (1ea) for 163 total. My kid was with C-5s a while back. Most of them are broke as fuck all the time. I doubt the AF could rustle up 25 C-5s and run them hard for very long. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:20:56 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My kid was with C-5s a while back. Most of them are broke as fuck all the time. I doubt the AF could rustle up 25 C-5s and run them hard for very long. |
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Posted: 1/25/2023 10:21:48 PM EDT
[#50]
They will not get DU armored versions...
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