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Posted: 9/3/2012 2:56:24 PM EDT

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"Assault Weapon" is an inaccurate term coined by the gun control lobby to make us look bad.

Not exactly. It's an accurate, existing term that have been misapplied "by the gun control lobby to make us look bad."

No it was not. The term "assault weapon" goes back to the 1930's, long before there was a gun control lobby in the USA. It derives from the German "sturmgewehr." Pick up a book sometime.

No, it doesn't. SturmGewehr means, literally, "Storm Rifle." However, since "Sturmtruppen" were dedicated assault troops, the storm rifle was more colloquially an "assault rifle." Also, the "44" in "StG-44" refers to the year 1944. Previous versions were officially named the MaschinenPistole 43 and 44, to avoid Hitler's ire, but the firearm didn't exist pre-war. Yes, there were some experiments with reduced-power rifle rounds, but no cohesive effort and no actual military R&D went into it until after Germany had a few bad experiences in Russia.

"Assault Weapon" is, as R0N noted, a term that in the military has a very specific meaning, and for the rest of us is a scary way to describe ordinary semi-automatic firearms by hoplophobic media and lobbyists. It plays on the "assault rifle" name, but generalizes it to non-select-fire items as well, in an attempt to spark and then use the public's FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) to spur a push for gun control.

Posted: 9/3/2012 3:01:45 PM EDT

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How to choose an "Assault Weapon"

Step 1: Purchase trashcan.

Step 2: Purchase AK-style rifle, such as WASR-10 or a converted Saiga.

Step 3: Discard above rifle into said trashcan.

Step 4: Purchase an AR-15 style rifle.

I laughed at this one...

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:23:20 PM EDT

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"Assault Weapon" is an inaccurate term coined by the gun control lobby to make us look bad.[div]

Not exactly. It's an accurate, existing term that have been misapplied "by the gun control lobby to make us look bad."

Nope. It was right the first time.

The internets agree:

"Term coined by Violence Policy Center head Josh Sugarmann to describe civilian semiautomatic firearms with a military or fearsome appearance, yet no more lethality than lesser weapons. Derived from the term "assault rifle", which means a fully automatic, selective fire rate firearm used by military and police personnel."

ETA: spelling.

"The Internet"? What the hell kind of citation is that?

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:28:22 PM EDT

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"Assault Weapon" is an inaccurate term coined by the gun control lobby to make us look bad.

Not exactly. It's an accurate, existing term that have been misapplied "by the gun control lobby to make us look bad."

Full of shit. Placed on ignore.

Wow, your butt must actually be hemorrhaging given the tenor of your comments. Thanks for the ignore!

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:32:46 PM EDT

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How to Choose an "Assault Weapon" Flowchart (a joke):

http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u515/SanLewy/buyinganassualtweaponI.jpg

That chart is fucked up. The Sturmgewehr is where the term "assault rifle" was coined and it involved being select fire.

As so-called "assault weapon" is not select fire.

You fail.

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:34:08 PM EDT

[#6]

I hereby nominate this thread for worst thread of 2012.

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:34:50 PM EDT

[#7]

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"Assault Weapon" is an inaccurate term coined by the gun control lobby to make us look bad.

Not exactly. It's an accurate, existing term that have been misapplied "by the gun control lobby to make us look bad."

Nope. You are thinking of assault rifle.

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:35:22 PM EDT

[#8]

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"Assault Weapon" is an inaccurate term coined by the gun control lobby to make us look bad.

Not exactly. It's an accurate, existing term that have been misapplied "by the gun control lobby to make us look bad."

Misused By 80s-90s firearms retailers first, it was turned against us

+1 "We" (Gun folk coined it to sell guns.

I KNOW that Josh Sugarmann at VPC always seems to get credit for coining the term but WE (Gun folks) were using it YEARS before the
date he, Sugarmann, is said to have pulled it out of his ass (1988).

Even the Wiki entry for JS points this out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josh_Sugarmann
"The impression that Sugarmann originated the term may stem from a 1988 study he authored, Assault Weapons and Accessories in America, which was the first study to look at semiautomatic weapons the VPC deemed "assault weapons". However, variations on the term were in use in the gun press before Sugarmann's 1988 study."

In the early 80's we had "Assault" pistols(Min-Uzi's, Tec's etc), "Assault" Carbines (Uzi's, HK 94's ETC) and "Assault" Weapons(All the bigger stuff).
The terms was coined by US (The gun community) to market them.

This is a first edition Guns Digest Book of Assault weapons (Published in 1986).
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/treadhead/f5f2729fd7a0151b33c4d010.jpg
We own that term (For better or worse).

Sad, but true.

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:35:42 PM EDT

[#9]

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"Assault Weapon" is an inaccurate term coined by the gun control lobby to make us look bad.

Not exactly. It's an accurate, existing term that have been misapplied "by the gun control lobby to make us look bad."

No it was not. The term "assault weapon" goes back to the 1930's, long before there was a gun control lobby in the USA. It derives from the German "sturmgewehr." Pick up a book sometime.

No, it doesn't. SturmGewehr means, literally, "Storm Rifle." However, since "Sturmtruppen" were dedicated assault troops, the storm rifle was more colloquially an "assault rifle." Also, the "44" in "StG-44" refers to the year 1944. Previous versions were officially named the MaschinenPistole 43 and 44, to avoid Hitler's ire, but the firearm didn't exist pre-war. Yes, there were some experiments with reduced-power rifle rounds, but no cohesive effort and no actual military R&D went into it until after Germany had a few bad experiences in Russia.

"Assault Weapon" is, as R0N noted, a term that in the military has a very specific meaning, and for the rest of us is a scary way to describe ordinary semi-automatic firearms by hoplophobic media and lobbyists. It plays on the "assault rifle" name, but generalizes it to non-select-fire items as well, in an attempt to spark and then use the public's FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) to spur a push for gun control.

Yes, it does. I'm not suggesting that "SturmGewehr" translates directly to "assault weapon" but it most certainly the weapon from which that name derives. You're quite right about the military genesis of the label "assault weapon." It was no a label coined by anti-gunners –– it was an existing label they took and misapplied for the reasons you mention.

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:36:29 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

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"Assault Weapon" is an inaccurate term coined by the gun control lobby to make us look bad.

Not exactly. It's an accurate, existing term that have been misapplied "by the gun control lobby to make us look bad."

No it was not. The term "assault weapon" goes back to the 1930's, long before there was a gun control lobby in the USA. It derives from the German "sturmgewehr." Pick up a book sometime.

No, the term is assault rifle and it came about during WWII.

Maybe you should pick up a book.

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:37:07 PM EDT

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Don't use the term "assault weapon". It plays into the hands of the dickless hosehead hoplophobes. The correct term is "modern sporting rifle". Got that, Junior? Don't make me tell you again.

STG 44 SturmGewehr = ?

Assault rifle.

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:38:14 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

How to Choose an "Assault Weapon" Flowchart (a joke):

http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u515/SanLewy/buyinganassualtweaponI.jpg

That chart is fucked up. The Sturmgewehr is where the term "assault rifle" was coined and it involved being select fire.

As so-called "assault weapon" is not select fire.

You fail.

Have you ever considered that it's you that is, pardon me, "fucked-up?" My money is on that option. Now go change your Depends before you "fail" again and make an even bigger ass out of yourself...

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:39:30 PM EDT

[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
"Assault Weapon" is an inaccurate term coined by the gun control lobby to make us look bad.

Not exactly. It's an accurate, existing term that have been misapplied "by the gun control lobby to make us look bad."

No it was not. The term "assault weapon" goes back to the 1930's, long before there was a gun control lobby in the USA. It derives from the German "sturmgewehr." Pick up a book sometime.

No, it doesn't. SturmGewehr means, literally, "Storm Rifle." However, since "Sturmtruppen" were dedicated assault troops, the storm rifle was more colloquially an "assault rifle." Also, the "44" in "StG-44" refers to the year 1944. Previous versions were officially named the MaschinenPistole 43 and 44, to avoid Hitler's ire, but the firearm didn't exist pre-war. Yes, there were some experiments with reduced-power rifle rounds, but no cohesive effort and no actual military R&D went into it until after Germany had a few bad experiences in Russia.

"Assault Weapon" is, as R0N noted, a term that in the military has a very specific meaning, and for the rest of us is a scary way to describe ordinary semi-automatic firearms by hoplophobic media and lobbyists. It plays on the "assault rifle" name, but generalizes it to non-select-fire items as well, in an attempt to spark and then use the public's FUD (fear, uncertainty, and doubt) to spur a push for gun control.

Yes, it does. I'm not suggesting that "SturmGewehr" translates directly to "assault weapon" but it most certainly the weapon from which that name derives. You're quite right about the military genesis of the label "assault weapon." It was no a label coined by anti-gunners –– it was an existing label they took and misapplied for the reasons you mention.

Read the thread. The origination of both assault rifle and "assault weapon" are explained as well as RONs description of actual Assault Weapons.

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:40:05 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:

How to Choose an "Assault Weapon" Flowchart (a joke):

http://i1071.photobucket.com/albums/u515/SanLewy/buyinganassualtweaponI.jpg

That chart is fucked up. The Sturmgewehr is where the term "assault rifle" was coined and it involved being select fire.

As so-called "assault weapon" is not select fire.

You fail.

Have you ever considered that it's you that is, pardon me, "fucked-up?" My money is on that option. Now go change your Depends before you "fail" again and make an even bigger ass out of yourself...

You have no fucking idea about what you speak.

And I said the chart was fucked up, not you. You started this thread hoping to have this argument, didn't you.

Posted: 9/3/2012 5:43:37 PM EDT

[#15]

CoC

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