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Posted: 10/2/2022 8:59:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: nice tits Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I was waiting for a GD thread to hopefully explain this for me, starting reading about it last night - https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11269073/Pro-poker-player-accused-using-hidden-vibrating-device-help-win-130-000.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11269983/Poker-fans-point-suspicious-footage-alleged-cheating-scandal.html https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/01/06/62993429-11269073-image-a-29_1664600724659.jpg Anyone have any insight? From an amateur's viewpoint, this Garrett guy was being a dick and couldn't believe he could be beaten by her.. she could have just gotten lucky, but that second story with the ring disappearing is awfully suspicious.. Plus the whole refunding the money he lost, though she says she was "cornered in a dark hallway" so I dunno.. Is this ARFCOM-safe? https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2022/10/01/06/62993451-11269073-image-a-5_1664603943285.jpg nice tits 
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:05:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then why did she give him the money back? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The cheating accusations are ridiculous. If you’re cheating and you know what your opponent is holding you don’t call an all-in on the turn on a coin flip. Then why did she give him the money back? I'm leaning towards her not knowing how to play poker and being in a high stakes game. She's supposedly being bank rolled by another player at the table. In a previous hand she had a hand setup that she could have easily taken all her bankroller's chips, but she played super soft when she could have taken all of his chips with a big raise. She could possibly know his cards wgich would eliminate cards from the deck when making decisions. Now she's saying she was intimidated into giving the chips back and her boyfriend/bankroller is threating Adelstein. She wanted to be treated like a guy and got yelled at for being an idiot like a guy would. Now she's crying about it. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:10:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That was fishy as fuck. Who calls with jack-shit? He had every reason to play his hand. She had no reason to think she'd win unless someone that knew his hand told her. That. You may raise with nothing to represent something, but you don't call all-in with jack shit. That is fishy as fuck, especially when your hand is Jack high. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:17:16 AM EDT
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Years ago when I played regularly, people without much experience playing made stupid calls like that all the time.
Even experienced players would make calls like that every so often, just complete stupid moves. Usually after they had been at the table for a long time. Still, it is always suspicious. Regardless, it is up to you to keep your cards from being seen. Is it suspected they were using the cameras to relay the info? |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:32:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Years ago when I played regularly, people without much experience playing made stupid calls like that all the time. Even experienced players would make calls like that every so often, just complete stupid moves. Usually after they had been at the table for a long time. Still, it is always suspicious. Regardless, it is up to you to keep your cards from being seen. Is it suspected they were using the cameras to relay the info? It's televised poker, so there is either a camera embedded in the table at each player position or they use RFID technology so the broadcaster knows what cards each player has been dealt. That's how the broadcaster is able to display that info to the viewers. Otherwise, televised poker would be pretty boring. The accusation seems to imply someone who could see the broadcast with that info overlaid, either in the players' location or watching the live stream, was sending her some guidance, perhaps via a vibrating wireless device. Even just a signal to let her know whether to stay in or get out at each stage (flop, turn, river) would have been enough. It may seem like a stretch, but there was absolutely no reason a professional poker player would have made that all-in call on the river with her hand. That was ridiculous. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:41:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Girl: "If my Jack wasn't a club, I would've been out" Guy (immediately calls her out on that statement): "What do you mean if your Jack wasn't a club you would've been out?" She was counting on getting clubs on the turn and the river? That's a very low probability. Yeah, that statement made it sound like she didn't know why she was still in... perhaps implying someone else was telling her whether she should stay in or not. Who knows, but with current technology, a lot of things are possible and thus, a live stream game seems like a bad idea. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:43:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why the term butter face was coined. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:52:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That. You may raise with nothing to represent something, but you don't call all-in with jack shit. That is fishy as fuck, especially when your hand is Jack high. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That was fishy as fuck. Who calls with jack-shit? He had every reason to play his hand. She had no reason to think she'd win unless someone that knew his hand told her. That. You may raise with nothing to represent something, but you don't call all-in with jack shit. That is fishy as fuck, especially when your hand is Jack high. Then the fact that she gave the money back... Who does that that's innocent? Can you imagine any other professional poker player, all of whom have won lucky pots, giving back the money!? They'd tell him to eat shit and die! Unless, you're so stupid that you don't really understand the game, know you're cheating, feel the attention and pressure on you, and want to do anything to convince the world you're actually honest, like giving back cheated gains. I'd ban that bitch from future tables. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:55:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He mad he lost to da titties !! seriously, that dude is a giant douche, who lost on a bad beat. The odds were in his favor, until they weren't. that's why its called gambling. no way she knew what that last card was gonna be. she got lucky. He was acting like a shit head and got embarrassed. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 9:58:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then the fact that she gave the money back... Who does that that's innocent? Can you imagine any other professional poker player, all of whom have won lucky pots, giving back the money!? They'd tell him to eat shit and die! Unless, you're so stupid that you don't really understand the game, know you're cheating, feel the attention and pressure on you, and want to do anything to convince the world you're actually honest, like giving back cheated gains. I'd ban that bitch from future tables. Honestly if she doesn't have back up there's always a possibility of being intimidated. Happens all the time. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 10:03:37 AM EDT
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never heard or seen her before until i saw that on Reddit
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Posted: 10/2/2022 10:41:01 AM EDT
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The lady accused of cheating is now throwing out the "sexism" card.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11272069/Poker-player-coach-insist-didnt-cheat-way-269k-win-Las-Vegas-using-vibrating-ring.html  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 10:41:40 AM EDT
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I love how everybody claims she cheated because "no reason to make the call".
 Bitches do shit for no apparent reason ALL THE TIME.  Maybe she cheated, maybe she got lucky, but "she had no logical reason to do that" is not evidence of wrongdoing. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 10:49:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you ever seen mob movies or the sopranos? Honestly if she doesn't have back up there's always a possibility of being intimidated. Happens all the time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Then the fact that she gave the money back... Who does that that's innocent? Can you imagine any other professional poker player, all of whom have won lucky pots, giving back the money!? They'd tell him to eat shit and die! Unless, you're so stupid that you don't really understand the game, know you're cheating, feel the attention and pressure on you, and want to do anything to convince the world you're actually honest, like giving back cheated gains. I'd ban that bitch from future tables. Honestly if she doesn't have back up there's always a possibility of being intimidated. Happens all the time. The mob and the mafia have nothing to do with this. They're not present. They're not gonna take her out back and smash her hand with a hammer either. She's too high profile. And if such intimidation happens all the time then why haven't other professional gamblers given back lucky pots won on national television? And if she was threatened and coerced into giving back the money then why isn't she pressing charges? |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 11:20:11 AM EDT
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Dude was trying to ride a possible straight and went all in . She knew he dident have it and called his bluf because she had the jack of clubs so not guilty
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Posted: 10/2/2022 11:26:28 AM EDT
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It's very possible.
Mike Postle. There are a couple of graphics of his winnings compared to the other players in the games he was in. It was mathematically impossible. Then he was interviewed about his philophies and game plans. His perspectives were 11th grade level at best. Watch the videos of him cheating. It's so stupidly obvious. Cheater with electronic device tapped into the feed. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 12:23:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Then the fact that she gave the money back... Who does that that's innocent? Can you imagine any other professional poker player, all of whom have won lucky pots, giving back the money!? They'd tell him to eat shit and die! Unless, you're so stupid that you don't really understand the game, know you're cheating, feel the attention and pressure on you, and want to do anything to convince the world you're actually honest, like giving back cheated gains. I'd ban that bitch from future tables. @Vne But even before that, her explanations of why she stayed in and later called all-in made zero sense. "I thought you were on Ace high." Huh? Ace high beats your Jack high. As does King high, Queen high, and even most other Jack highs given your weak kicker. Then she shifted her story to saying she stayed in because she had a blocker. And later, in an interview after the hand, she shifted her story again, claiming she thought she had a Jack-3, even though she is on camera checking her hand more than once, including on the turn while deciding whether to call him. Bonus - immediately after she calls all-in, another player asks her if she has pocket 3s or a 3 in her hand... and she says no. Could she be clean? Sure, but I'd give that about a 0.1% chance here. She is almost certainly dirty. She calls but can provide no reasonable explanation of why she called... and then clearly lies about misreading her hand after the fact to cover her tracks. And then, as you noted, she does what no player at this level would ever do - she gives his money back. ETA: A professional poker player's perspective. Spoiler alert, he also doesn't buy her BS.  SHOCKING POKER CHEATING ALLEGATIONS AT HUSTLER ETA2: Just noticed he posted another video the next day, and is now even more convinced she cheated:  New Evidence In POKER CHEATING SCANDAL At Hustler Casino Live Long vids, but fascinating analysis. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 5:29:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Vne But even before that, her explanations of why she stayed in and later called all-in made zero sense. "I thought you were on Ace high." Huh? Ace high beats your Jack high. As does King high, Queen high, and even most other Jack highs given your weak kicker. Then she shifted her story to saying she stayed in because she had a blocker. And later, in an interview after the hand, she shifted her story again, claiming she thought she had a Jack-3, even though she is on camera checking her hand more than once, including on the turn while deciding whether to call him. Bonus - immediately after she calls all-in, another player asks her if she has pocket 3s or a 3 in her hand... and she says no. Could she be clean? Sure, but I'd give that about a 0.1% chance here. She is almost certainly dirty. She calls but can provide no reasonable explanation of why she called... and then clearly lies about misreading her hand after the fact to cover her tracks. And then, as you noted, she does what no player at this level would ever do - she gives his money back. ETA: A professional poker player's perspective. Spoiler alert, he also doesn't buy her BS.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qSklcEmzsoETA2: Just noticed he posted another video the next day, and is now even more convinced she cheated: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPQUarLEr9ALong vids, but fascinating analysis. Those were interesting videos. I've watched the video of her a few more times today and the more I watch it the more I'm convinced she was cheating. Literally everything points in that direction. Her inability to explain her reasoning. Her constantly changing her story. Her obviously lying about what she had. Her giving the money back. Her rapid rise from nowhere into high stakes poker and dominating all the while being an obvious idiot that doesn't understand the game. But most of all, her raising and calling when any reasonable judgment would tell her not too. The fact is, all odds were against her. Without knowing his hand, it was astronomical odds against her that she could win that. She had jack-fucking-shit and knew it so the only way she calls is if she really and truly believed that he had worse shit than her with her having the high card... a Jack! And she was raising into that! $270,000 pot bet on HORSESHIT! That's not skill. That's when you know for a fucking fact you'll win. And she couldn't begin to explain why or how. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 5:38:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those were interesting videos. I've watched the video of her a few more times today and the more I watch it the more I'm convinced she was cheating. Literally everything points in that direction. Her inability to explain her reasoning. Her constantly changing her story. Her obviously lying about what she had. Her giving the money back. Her rapid rise from nowhere into high stakes poker and dominating all the while being an obvious idiot that doesn't understand the game. But most of all, her raising and calling when any reasonable judgment would tell her not too. The fact is, all odds were against her. Without knowing his hand, it was astronomical odds against her that she could win that. She had jack-fucking-shit and knew it so the only way she calls is if she really and truly believed that he had worse shit than her with her having the high card... a Jack! And she was raising into that! $270,000 pot bet on HORSESHIT! That's not skill. That's when you know for a fucking fact you'll win. And she couldn't begin to explain why or how. Don't forget her slyly removing her ring behind her back. That part is weird, too. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 5:39:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Pics like that are supposed to go in the BOTD forum. https://www.ar15.com/forums/code-of-conduct.html #9 Any pics which are posted in GD are expected to be "G-rated" and NOT show such things as cleavage or excessively short skirts/shorts; this includes photos of scantily clad men or women . Bikini pics may ONLY be posted in the BOTD forum, and under the rules posted in that forum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is this ARFCOM-safe? No. Pics like that are supposed to go in the BOTD forum. https://www.ar15.com/forums/code-of-conduct.html #9 Any pics which are posted in GD are expected to be "G-rated" and NOT show such things as cleavage or excessively short skirts/shorts; this includes photos of scantily clad men or women . Bikini pics may ONLY be posted in the BOTD forum, and under the rules posted in that forum. 
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Posted: 10/2/2022 5:46:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget her slyly removing her ring behind her back. That part is weird, too. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Those were interesting videos. I've watched the video of her a few more times today and the more I watch it the more I'm convinced she was cheating. Literally everything points in that direction. Her inability to explain her reasoning. Her constantly changing her story. Her obviously lying about what she had. Her giving the money back. Her rapid rise from nowhere into high stakes poker and dominating all the while being an obvious idiot that doesn't understand the game. But most of all, her raising and calling when any reasonable judgment would tell her not too. The fact is, all odds were against her. Without knowing his hand, it was astronomical odds against her that she could win that. She had jack-fucking-shit and knew it so the only way she calls is if she really and truly believed that he had worse shit than her with her having the high card... a Jack! And she was raising into that! $270,000 pot bet on HORSESHIT! That's not skill. That's when you know for a fucking fact you'll win. And she couldn't begin to explain why or how. Don't forget her slyly removing her ring behind her back. That part is weird, too. That might be something, might not be. She's definitely getting signals but the ring might be a red herring. I can't tell for sure if it's actually off or just rotated around to the palm side of her finger. It might just be a ring she fiddle-fucks around with. I'm more interested in the vibrations seen in her chair and lower body. What the fuck was that all about? But the fact is, you don't have to actually see anything to deduce that she's cheating. All the rest of her actions clearly indicate it. It is only unknown how. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 5:52:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That might be something, might not be. She's definitely getting signals but the ring might be a red herring. I can't tell for sure if it's actually off or just rotated around to the palm side of her finger. It might just be a ring she fiddle-fucks around with. I'm more interested in the vibrations seen in her chair and lower body. What the fuck was that all about? But the fact is, you don't have to actually see anything to deduce that she's cheating. All the rest of her actions clearly indicate it. It is only unknown how. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Those were interesting videos. I've watched the video of her a few more times today and the more I watch it the more I'm convinced she was cheating. Literally everything points in that direction. Her inability to explain her reasoning. Her constantly changing her story. Her obviously lying about what she had. Her giving the money back. Her rapid rise from nowhere into high stakes poker and dominating all the while being an obvious idiot that doesn't understand the game. But most of all, her raising and calling when any reasonable judgment would tell her not too. The fact is, all odds were against her. Without knowing his hand, it was astronomical odds against her that she could win that. She had jack-fucking-shit and knew it so the only way she calls is if she really and truly believed that he had worse shit than her with her having the high card... a Jack! And she was raising into that! $270,000 pot bet on HORSESHIT! That's not skill. That's when you know for a fucking fact you'll win. And she couldn't begin to explain why or how. Don't forget her slyly removing her ring behind her back. That part is weird, too. That might be something, might not be. She's definitely getting signals but the ring might be a red herring. I can't tell for sure if it's actually off or just rotated around to the palm side of her finger. It might just be a ring she fiddle-fucks around with. I'm more interested in the vibrations seen in her chair and lower body. What the fuck was that all about? But the fact is, you don't have to actually see anything to deduce that she's cheating. All the rest of her actions clearly indicate it. It is only unknown how. I was just about to edit my post after watching the cheat analysis video above. It looks like the ring is just turned sideways, but I haven't followed closely enough to know if this was before or after she supposedly took her ring off. |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 6:17:43 PM EDT
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 AC/DC - The Jack (Live from Countdown, 1979) |
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Posted: 10/2/2022 11:48:27 PM EDT
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So to recap: Adelstein 7? 8?, Lew J? 4?. $6700 in the pot.
Flop: 10? 9? 9? Adelstein bets $2500, Lew calls Turn: 3? Adelstein bets $10,000, Lew raises to $20,000, Adelstein shoves all-in for ~$109,000 more ... Analysis: This is where the hand should end. There is $51,700 in the pot, and it will cost Lew $109,000 to call. She has no hand, no draw, and Garrett’s range of hands has her in super-max jail. The value hands Garrett could be shoving with include more than 100 of the 1326 possible combinations of hole cards: AA, KK, QQ, JJ (there’s 24 combos of those hands alone), A-10, K-10, Q-10, J-10’s... most/all of the 10? X?’s, three combos of 33 for a turned set, and literally any napkin, Uno Draw Four, or gym membership ID to go with one of the two remaining 9’s. But Garrett will also have some bluffs here! He’s one of the most creative and balanced players in the world, and you can’t get paid when you have the best hand if you never get caught bluffing. He would also make this shove reasonably often with A? K?, A? Q?, K? Q?, Q? 8?, A? K?, A? Q?, A? J?, Q? J?, J? 8?... but the problem is even if he’s bluffing with those hands, Lew can’t call because she can’t beat the bluff! Garrett would also do this with tons of hands containing the J? too, but since Lew has that card it removes even more possible bluffs he could have. So she simply can’t call. The only even marginally-reasonable shoves he can have that she beats are 7? 8?, 6? 8?, 6? 7?, 7? 8?, 6? 8?, and 6? 7?. I looked real hard for another one, but this is it. So there are roughly over 150 ways Lew could be behind, about six ways to be ahead, and it’s more than two times the size of the pot to call. Of course you know what happens here because we’re writing about it. ... Lew calls $109,000. When players agree to “run it twice” that means instead of one river card, the dealer will put out two. Either one player will either win 100% of the pot by having the best hand after both rivers, or they’ll split the pot if each player has the best hand once. Despite Garrett being a 53%-47% favorite Robbi fades both rivers, and wins all of the nearly $270,000 pot. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 12:48:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's very possible. Mike Postle. There are a couple of graphics of his winnings compared to the other players in the games he was in. It was mathematically impossible. Then he was interviewed about his philophies and game plans. His perspectives were 11th grade level at best. Watch the videos of him cheating. It's so stupidly obvious. Cheater with electronic device tapped into the feed. I read the article and didn’t see anything where it was verified anyone tapped into the feed. It sounded more like there was an insider, but even then it wasn’t proven. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 12:56:35 AM EDT
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Some people have never played with Vietnamese players under the influence and it shows. You want to talk about donking off chips with the hero call blended in, oof. Can not read those fuckers except for never bluffing a calling station. They are great for getting a game on a random weekday night though. Hey guys Chim will be at the game.
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:01:25 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Some people have never played with Vietnamese players under the influence and it shows. You want to talk about donking off chips with the hero call blended in, oof. Can not read those fuckers except for never bluffing a calling station. They are great for getting a game on a random weekday night though. Hey guys Chim will be at the game. I live 2 miles from Eden Center. My bookie is Viet. Let's just say, I'm picking up what you're laying down.
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:07:02 AM EDT
[#28]
If she was cheating she was bad at it.
Feels either like like intentional controversy for the media attention or a sore loser. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:18:12 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the kind of play that infuriates poker players, even if she's not cheating. That's what bugs me about Poker. You get a LOT of people, especially among the higher levels of play, who lose their minds whenever someone (not cheating) "is breaking the Rules". If it ain't cheating, people can play as they please (even them doing dumb shit that doesn't make any Poker sense isn't cause for a tantrum just because it throws your game off). If people are going to be babies about the game, they can stay away from the table. Disclosure: I'm not a hardcore Poker player. I play Texas Hold 'Em, and that's it. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:49:30 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/3/2022 1:51:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what bugs me about Poker. You get a LOT of people, especially among the higher levels of play, who lose their minds whenever someone (not cheating) "is breaking the Rules". If it ain't cheating, people can play as they please (even them doing dumb shit that doesn't make any Poker sense isn't cause for a tantrum just because it throws your game off). If people are going to be babies about the game, they can stay away from the table. Disclosure: I'm not a hardcore Poker player. I play Texas Hold 'Em, and that's it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is the kind of play that infuriates poker players, even if she's not cheating. That's what bugs me about Poker. You get a LOT of people, especially among the higher levels of play, who lose their minds whenever someone (not cheating) "is breaking the Rules". If it ain't cheating, people can play as they please (even them doing dumb shit that doesn't make any Poker sense isn't cause for a tantrum just because it throws your game off). If people are going to be babies about the game, they can stay away from the table. Disclosure: I'm not a hardcore Poker player. I play Texas Hold 'Em, and that's it. I read a book on the psychology of poker and the author posited that people that bitch and moan the loudest and longest about "deserving" to win, believe it to be totally true and entirely unfair. The upside is it's a window into their world view and how the world is fucking them over because they did everything right. You may be able to exploit their flawed thinking iffen ya play them cards right. As a side note, I play low stakes (1/2 and 1/3 NLHE) semi-regularly. Play enough and you'll see all kinds of crazy outcomes and crazier outbursts from the unfairly victimized savants. Sometimes I'll intentionally play stupid shit if the price is right just to crush the opponent's confidence by playing crap like 3-6 or 2-9 off suit on the button. If I get involved with a "How could you call my raise on the flop with that shit? I should have won that pot! You suck!" types, I just smile and say "So what you're telling me is if I was a better poker player, you'd have my chips instead of me having yours?" They go on tilt and I get their money. Sometimes. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 2:36:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I live 2 miles from Eden Center. My bookie is Viet. Let's just say, I'm picking up what you're laying down. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Some people have never played with Vietnamese players under the influence and it shows. You want to talk about donking off chips with the hero call blended in, oof. Can not read those fuckers except for never bluffing a calling station. They are great for getting a game on a random weekday night though. Hey guys Chim will be at the game. I live 2 miles from Eden Center. My bookie is Viet. Let's just say, I'm picking up what you're laying down. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 5:14:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As a side note, I play low stakes (1/2 and 1/3 NLHE) semi-regularly. Play enough and you'll see all kinds of crazy outcomes and crazier outbursts from the unfairly victimized savants. Sometimes I'll intentionally play stupid shit if the price is right just to crush the opponent's confidence by playing crap like 3-6 or 2-9 off suit on the button. If I get involved with a "How could you call my raise on the flop with that shit? I should have won that pot! You suck!" types, I just smile and say "So what you're telling me is if I was a better poker player, you'd have my chips instead of me having yours?" They go on tilt and I get their money. Sometimes. Would you say the price is right to play stupid shit with a $270,000 pot? And if you did win a pot like that with a hand full of shit, would you give it back? |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 5:31:17 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People that are questioning his play and calling it as bad as hers don’t have the slightest understanding of poker. His play was dang near textbook. He didn’t put her on trips or a high pocket pair. Everything looked completely normal until she called. Looks like cheating to me. This |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 5:38:00 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what bugs me about Poker. You get a LOT of people, especially among the higher levels of play, who lose their minds whenever someone (not cheating) "is breaking the Rules". If it ain't cheating, people can play as they please (even them doing dumb shit that doesn't make any Poker sense isn't cause for a tantrum just because it throws your game off). If people are going to be babies about the game, they can stay away from the table. Disclosure: I'm not a hardcore Poker player. I play Texas Hold 'Em, and that's it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This is the kind of play that infuriates poker players, even if she's not cheating. That's what bugs me about Poker. You get a LOT of people, especially among the higher levels of play, who lose their minds whenever someone (not cheating) "is breaking the Rules". If it ain't cheating, people can play as they please (even them doing dumb shit that doesn't make any Poker sense isn't cause for a tantrum just because it throws your game off). If people are going to be babies about the game, they can stay away from the table. Disclosure: I'm not a hardcore Poker player. I play Texas Hold 'Em, and that's it. I wouldn't have an outburst if someone played jack high like that against me, but I'd be pretty annoyed on the inside. There's a huge difference in talent and prize money though in this game. A pro would expect another player at a pro table to actually know how to play poker, which it seems like she does not. The poster of the article above shows 100s of possible hands that beat her. That's incredibly dumb low level play or cheating. Zero skill. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:18:40 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn't have an outburst if someone played jack high like that against me, but I'd be pretty annoyed on the inside. There's a huge difference in talent and prize money though in this game. A pro would expect another player at a pro table to actually know how to play poker, which it seems like she does not. The poster of the article above shows 100s of possible hands that beat her. That's incredibly dumb low level play or cheating. Zero skill. And that's another reason it doesn't make sense. She's barnstorming high stakes poker. Winning tournaments left and right. You don't get that kind of success without skill. And with skill you'd never ever make that play. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:38:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the kind of play that infuriates poker players, even if she's not cheating. It could very well be that she's an actual completely bad poler player who ended up in a pro game and she didn't cheat. Luck is not a poker strategy for professionals and they hate those who think it is. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:52:09 AM EDT
[#38]
What?
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Posted: 10/3/2022 6:59:32 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I read a book on the psychology of poker and the author posited that people that bitch and moan the loudest and longest about "deserving" to win, believe it to be totally true and entirely unfair. The upside is it's a window into their world view and how the world is fucking them over because they did everything right. You may be able to exploit their flawed thinking iffen ya play them cards right. As a side note, I play low stakes (1/2 and 1/3 NLHE) semi-regularly. Play enough and you'll see all kinds of crazy outcomes and crazier outbursts from the unfairly victimized savants. Sometimes I'll intentionally play stupid shit if the price is right just to crush the opponent's confidence by playing crap like 3-6 or 2-9 off suit on the button. If I get involved with a "How could you call my raise on the flop with that shit? I should have won that pot! You suck!" types, I just smile and say "So what you're telling me is if I was a better poker player, you'd have my chips instead of me having yours?" They go on tilt and I get their money. Sometimes. Implied odds 
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Posted: 10/3/2022 7:08:49 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That. You may raise with nothing to represent something, but you don't call all-in with jack shit. That is fishy as fuck, especially when your hand is Jack high. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That was fishy as fuck. Who calls with jack-shit? He had every reason to play his hand. She had no reason to think she'd win unless someone that knew his hand told her. That. You may raise with nothing to represent something, but you don't call all-in with jack shit. That is fishy as fuck, especially when your hand is Jack high. It’s the same thing.. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 7:09:12 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I read the article and didn’t see anything where it was verified anyone tapped into the feed. It sounded more like there was an insider, but even then it wasn’t proven. I used wrong word, someone on the inside was feeding him the opponents cards. There’s 2 years of videos by Doug Polk and other guys breaking his play then a reporter asking other questions. That one may or may not still be in court. |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 7:23:18 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: People that are questioning his play and calling it as bad as hers don’t have the slightest understanding of poker. His play was dang near textbook. He didn’t put her on trips or a high pocket pair. Everything looked completely normal until she called. Looks like cheating to me. +1 |
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Posted: 10/3/2022 7:32:47 PM EDT
[#43]
I need to see more evidence of this lovely lass before assuming guilt.
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Posted: 10/3/2022 7:44:24 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I need to see more evidence of this lovely lass before assuming guilt. Here ya go.  Attached File |
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Posted: 10/7/2022 10:05:18 PM EDT
[#45]
Looking even worse for her:
The cheating scandal rocking poker world takes $15,000 theft twist An internal investigation conducted by Hustler Casino Live — which streamed the game from Los Angeles — has shown that one of their High Stakes Poker Productions employees stole three $5,000 chips from Lew’s stack after the broadcast concluded on Sept. 29. The employee, Bryan Sagbigsal, was terminated from his position after he admitted to taking $15,000 in chips from Lew’s stack, HCL’s owners Nick Vertucci and Ryan Feldman said in review findings. It’s unclear what job Sagbigsal held with HCL ... The $15,000 worth of chips taken by Sagbigsal was seen as some as him taking his cut of a cheating scam. ... Lew said she chose not to press charges against Sagbigsal because she believes it is “unnecessary to damage a young man’s life,” adding that she “could not recall having met the employee.” |
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Posted: 10/7/2022 10:14:50 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looking even worse for her: The cheating scandal rocking poker world takes $15,000 theft twist An internal investigation conducted by Hustler Casino Live — which streamed the game from Los Angeles — has shown that one of their High Stakes Poker Productions employees stole three $5,000 chips from Lew’s stack after the broadcast concluded on Sept. 29. The employee, Bryan Sagbigsal, was terminated from his position after he admitted to taking $15,000 in chips from Lew’s stack, HCL’s owners Nick Vertucci and Ryan Feldman said in review findings. It’s unclear what job Sagbigsal held with HCL ... The $15,000 worth of chips taken by Sagbigsal was seen as some as him taking his cut of a cheating scam. ... Lew said she chose not to press charges against Sagbigsal because she believes it is “unnecessary to damage a young man’s life,” adding that she “could not recall having met the employee.” So she gave the other guy all his money back, and she decided not to press charges against an employee that stole $15k from her? 
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Posted: 10/7/2022 10:19:53 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So she gave the other guy all his money back, and she decided not to press charges against an employee that stole $15k from her? Yeah, smelling more like a 10% cut for helping ...and she can't possibly have them press charges, lest he roll over and come clean, outing her. |
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Posted: 10/7/2022 10:39:06 PM EDT
[#48]
I think at this point there is zero doubt that she was cheating.
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Posted: 10/7/2022 10:54:57 PM EDT
[#49]
You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to conclude that bitch is a cheater. Everything points in that direction. And she's too stupid to know how to make it look otherwise. Her boyfriend, the other gambler sitting at the table was in on it too. I'd bet on it.
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Posted: 10/8/2022 12:03:11 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Pics like that are supposed to go in the BOTD forum. https://www.ar15.com/forums/code-of-conduct.html #9 Any pics which are posted in GD are expected to be "G-rated" and NOT show such things as cleavage or excessively short skirts/shorts; this includes photos of scantily clad men or women . Bikini pics may ONLY be posted in the BOTD forum, and under the rules posted in that forum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is this ARFCOM-safe? No. Pics like that are supposed to go in the BOTD forum. https://www.ar15.com/forums/code-of-conduct.html #9 Any pics which are posted in GD are expected to be "G-rated" and NOT show such things as cleavage or excessively short skirts/shorts; this includes photos of scantily clad men or women . Bikini pics may ONLY be posted in the BOTD forum, and under the rules posted in that forum. |
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