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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:41:08 AM EST
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Runs good.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:42:28 AM EST
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There are lots of trends in car culture that are retared, "patina" and rat rods are just another example.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:44:33 AM EST
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Rust and patina are two different things.
Rust is actually destroying the metal itself and pitting it. Making it weaker. Patina is more a surface discoloration. Rust is destroying the metal, patina is not. Rust = neglect Patina = well loved Now fake patina is lame. Just like buying pre ripped jeans. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:45:02 AM EST
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Fake patina aside, real patina is pretty cool when you look at things like old race cars and such, sometimes it tells a story
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:45:45 AM EST
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Patina can be a protective coating and offer a unique look, or it can just be an unfinished surface left to the elements.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:46:07 AM EST
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Half the patina I see lately is actually paint not patina. Kind of impressive from a skill of the painter standpoint, but it seems kind of silly to me.
Whatever floats your boat though. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:46:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rust and patina are two different things. Rust is actually corrosion destroying the metal itself and pitting it. Making it weaker. Patina is more a surface discoloration. Rust is destroying the metal, patina is not. Rust = neglect Patina = well loved Now fake patina is lame. Just like buying pre ripped jeans. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:47:08 AM EST
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Marketing is all it is.
You sell shit if you name it something other than shit. Hell, there is even a market for shit, but it's not as big and you can't get the same money for it. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:47:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fake patina aside, real patina is pretty cool when you look at things like old race cars and such, sometimes it tells a story This. And that it is unrestored, a survivor if you will |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:47:22 AM EST
[#10]
Rust and patina aren't the same thing.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:47:23 AM EST
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:47:34 AM EST
[#12]
Real patina is worth a lot of money to quite a few people
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:47:40 AM EST
[#13]
Prepping and painting a car is a lot of work or very expensive.
Some cars would also be worth more original with some patina than they would restored. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:48:38 AM EST
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Patina is not necessarily rust.
A great deal of patina is just dirt and grime accumulated on the surface of an object. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:48:44 AM EST
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Seen guys on TV clear coat over the rust.
Not my thing but if it makes you happy. Id rather have a nice paint job on a straight body. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:52:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, no. It's all corrosion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rust and patina are two different things. Rust is actually corrosion destroying the metal itself and pitting it. Making it weaker. Patina is more a surface discoloration. Rust is destroying the metal, patina is not. Rust = neglect Patina = well loved Now fake patina is lame. Just like buying pre ripped jeans. Youre right, haven't had my coffee yet and was thinking oxidation/corrosion. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:57:20 AM EST
[#17]
 1954 DeSoto Powermaster Wagon ICON Derelict Pretty cool stuff |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:57:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, no. It's all corrosion. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Rust and patina are two different things. Rust is actually corrosion destroying the metal itself and pitting it. Making it weaker. Patina is more a surface discoloration. Rust is destroying the metal, patina is not. Rust = neglect Patina = well loved Now fake patina is lame. Just like buying pre ripped jeans. Exactly, it is all neglect. Same in firearms, at some point neglect becomes “patina” |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:57:44 AM EST
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Real patina is the result of age and can't be replicated well. Artificial aging can be attempted but it's never quite the same.
  Which one looks more interesting, new or an Iraq war contractor bring back. Sure you can throw the new one down the driveway a few times, but it'll never quite look right if you're trying to replicate the patina that comes from actual use. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 9:59:24 AM EST
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Lol at people that will clean off patina on historical items
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:02:39 AM EST
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It's only original once. The patina thing is a thing for folks who like to preserve an old original finish.
<<<<See avatar Faux patina is just wrong. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:07:58 AM EST
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Pretty much another name for excessive wear. Same for the term 'honest wear' I hear on occasion.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:08:27 AM EST
[#23]
It’s only original once.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:12:36 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Real patina is the result of age and can't be replicated well. Artificial aging can be attempted but it's never quite the same. https://www.snipercountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/The-4-Best-AR-15-Carry-Handles.jpg https://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_5589/gi_100885564/DPMS-Iraqi-Contractor-Rifles-Bring-Back_100885564_5589_571B25A3AE64C6A9.JPG Which one looks more interesting, new or an Iraq war contractor bring back. Sure you can throw the new one down the driveway a few times, but it'll never quite look right if you're trying to replicate the patina that comes from actual use. Wear on the deflector is pretty far off, among other things. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:19:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Real patina is the result of age and can't be replicated well. Artificial aging can be attempted but it's never quite the same. https://www.snipercountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/The-4-Best-AR-15-Carry-Handles.jpg https://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_5589/gi_100885564/DPMS-Iraqi-Contractor-Rifles-Bring-Back_100885564_5589_571B25A3AE64C6A9.JPG Which one looks more interesting, new or an Iraq war contractor bring back. Sure you can throw the new one down the driveway a few times, but it'll never quite look right if you're trying to replicate the patina that comes from actual use. That makes sense to me and is a good explanation, but often it is in a car with all new running gear and a modern motor. I understand historical items, but these aren’t that, or at least most I see aren’t. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:21:07 AM EST
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I'm involved with show cars.
Seen plenty of patina and rat rod entries. While I appreciate the work that goes into preservation and mechanical ingenuity, it's not my cup of tea. 87% of those owners I see look like they huffed brake cleaner for a hobby. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:21:41 AM EST
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Keeping patina is garbage. Especially on cars, paint that mother.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:23:39 AM EST
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You call it rust when you are buying the car.
You call it patina when you are selling the car. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:24:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fake patina aside, real patina is pretty cool when you look at things like old race cars and such, sometimes it tells a story People that dont get it hate it. I guess if it not their car why should the care. I guess they are the oppinionated karens of the car world. Most of them dont have the creativity to build a car.. Much less a rat rod or a resto mod. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:27:13 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
There are lots of trends in car culture that are retared, "patina" and rat rods are just another example. Fake patina is like a chick with a dick. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:28:57 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Keeping patina is garbage. Especially on cars, paint that mother. If I’m spending $10k on this car it’s not going to be a new paint job. Maybe when everything else Is done but until then I’ll embrace the trend. 
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:29:49 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People that dont get it hate it. I guess if it not their car why should the care. I guess they are the oppinionated karens of the car world. Most of them dont have the creativity to build a car.. Much less a rat rod or a resto mod. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fake patina aside, real patina is pretty cool when you look at things like old race cars and such, sometimes it tells a story People that dont get it hate it. I guess if it not their car why should the care. I guess they are the oppinionated karens of the car world. Most of them dont have the creativity to build a car.. Much less a rat rod or a resto mod. It’s possible to not care what someone does and also not understand why they do it. I also don’t understand why people collect fidget spinners, but I don’t care that they do. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:29:58 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There are lots of trends in car culture that are retared, "patina" and rat rods are just another example. This. The list is long but I think fake rust is better than Carolina Squat, extreme camber, donk, and other shit that makes your car less drivable. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:30:18 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are lots of trends in car culture that are retared, "patina" and rat rods are just another example. This. Of course, the cost of a really good paint job and the underlying bodywork to support it might have something to do with it. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:32:57 AM EST
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Increases horsepower and 1/4 mile times by 87%.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:33:33 AM EST
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I've driven shitty rusty old cars for much of my life. I don't see the appeal of painting fake rust then spraying the whole thing in high gloss clearcoat...
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:35:44 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People that dont get it hate it. I guess if it not their car why should the care. I guess they are the oppinionated karens of the car world. Most of them dont have the creativity to build a car.. Much less a rat rod or a resto mod. I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what the word means and how it pertains to old things |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:36:30 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s possible to not care what someone does and also not understand why they do it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fake patina aside, real patina is pretty cool when you look at things like old race cars and such, sometimes it tells a story People that dont get it hate it. I guess if it not their car why should the care. I guess they are the oppinionated karens of the car world. Most of them dont have the creativity to build a car.. Much less a rat rod or a resto mod. It’s possible to not care what someone does and also not understand why they do it. Its also possible to not understand why someone doesnt understand enough to care about it. I mean someone must care enough to complain that they dont understand it. Welcome to life. Different people do different thing. Some people like what you dont like. 
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:37:41 AM EST
[#39]
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:38:28 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That makes sense to me and is a good explanation, but often it is in a car with all new running gear and a modern motor. I understand historical items, but these aren’t that, or at least most I see aren’t. There's a pretty broad spectrum, Historical provenance is the easiest to get, and the range goes from a historically significant kept in as original condition as possible, somestime it's beat to shit but still too valuable in it's condition to "restore" Then there's the "field wear" if it's all original condition and running that's "better" than the fixed up old body. Which is kind of next in the sequence, basically the body finish is retained. I think some of this got the start from guys that rat rodded field finds, and were showing the progress with new running gear but were basically in the middle of the project. To many it looks cool enough, and the naturally worn finish on an otherwise straight body is interesting and almost impossible to replicate properly, so it became it's own thing. Of course with the popularity of natural patina on a rat rod, it became a thing to try to replicate, and then guys were artificially aging whole new builds for that "look", that's getting into deliberately throwing it down the driveway to get that worn look territory, and it's the lesser of the whole above continuum. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:39:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what the word means and how it pertains to old things Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: People that dont get it hate it. I guess if it not their car why should the care. I guess they are the oppinionated karens of the car world. Most of them dont have the creativity to build a car.. Much less a rat rod or a resto mod. I think it's a fundamental misunderstanding of what the word means and how it pertains to old things People ask all the time about the f100. I tell them I planned to do a full restore and paint. But I liked the way it started coming together and left it as it was. Believe me hundreds of hours of body work went into it too. One day it might get a full body job and paint. But for now it gonna be the way it is. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:40:34 AM EST
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 Patina shows the provenance of a sculpture or other artwork by encoding the authentic aging of the surface treatments. Picasso used to have his grandchildren pee on his outdoor bronzes to get a nice patina going. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:40:48 AM EST
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In the vehicle trade it's just another trend. With antiques, you never polish or restore until you have a solid appraisal from a SME in that particular medium. You can scrub away hundreds of thousands of dollars of value...and many well meaning people have.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:42:54 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its also possible to not understand why someone doesnt understand enough to care about it. I mean someone must care enough to complain that they dont understand it. Welcome to life. Different people do different thing. Some people like what you dont like. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fake patina aside, real patina is pretty cool when you look at things like old race cars and such, sometimes it tells a story People that dont get it hate it. I guess if it not their car why should the care. I guess they are the oppinionated karens of the car world. Most of them dont have the creativity to build a car.. Much less a rat rod or a resto mod. It’s possible to not care what someone does and also not understand why they do it. Its also possible to not understand why someone doesnt understand enough to care about it. I mean someone must care enough to complain that they dont understand it. Welcome to life. Different people do different thing. Some people like what you dont like. I think that the explanation above about the Iraq war contractor bring back is a good one. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:42:59 AM EST
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Patina should be almost entirely aesthetic aging. Maybe some small surface rust but rust and patina are two different animals.
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:43:43 AM EST
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Quoted: I know that it has been thing for a while now, but still don’t understand why. Is it because you want to build a sleeper. Everyone thinks it’s just a crappy rust bucket, but you fool them? Or is it just because the vehicle is too far gone to really restore? What’s the deal? Why would you preserve rust if there was any possible way to fix it? All of the above. The really amusing ones are either clearcoated over the rust/wear, or even better painted to look that way after repairing it. They are the Farbs of the scene. A historic, rare, unaltered survivor with original paint? Sure, leave it original. That falls in the same basket as refinishing an antique/historical firearm, and can actually lower it's value. A common rusted-ass 4 door cow pasture special? Even with a 5-figure World of Wheels paint job on it, it's worth 1/4 of what you spent to do it. Have fun with it and don't go bankrupt polishing a turd. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:44:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In the vehicle trade it's just another trend. With antiques, you never polish or restore until you have a solid appraisal from a SME in that particular medium. You can scrub away hundreds of thousands of dollars of value...and many well meaning people have. This, seen it many times on "restored" cars, especially what's called over restored cars, sometimes ruining something old by making it much better than original |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:45:34 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Real patina is the result of age and can't be replicated well. Artificial aging can be attempted but it's never quite the same. https://www.snipercountry.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/The-4-Best-AR-15-Carry-Handles.jpg https://images.gunsinternational.com/listings_sub/acc_5589/gi_100885564/DPMS-Iraqi-Contractor-Rifles-Bring-Back_100885564_5589_571B25A3AE64C6A9.JPG Which one looks more interesting, new or an Iraq war contractor bring back. Sure you can throw the new one down the driveway a few times, but it'll never quite look right if you're trying to replicate the patina that comes from actual use. That's not so much patina as it is wear. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:49:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, no. It's all corrosion. Yes, but some are protective, such as oxidation on aluminum which forms a protective skin vs rust on steel or iron that continues to permeate and destroy the structural integrity of the metal. |
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Posted: 9/22/2021 10:55:59 AM EST
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I drive a "patina" truck. Its wear is all honest to goodness use. I purposefully bought the roughest running and driving FJ40 I could find. I actually wanted to keep using it as intended, and not some coffee grabbing status symbol.
It was a GA farm truck for years, and it now sports a 5.3 LS and is my DD. Love it every day honestly. I intend to do a full resto at some point, but I honestly beat the snot out of it on the weekends and it just keeps on ticking. I leave the "patina" because I've only been adding to it and I don't care to restore it just to not be able to use it. I admit I'm probably the minority in that regard.  Attached FileETA: see that bent in radiator? That's from a full rollover, it doesn't even leak.. Replaced the roll bar and windshield and kept driving.  Attached File |
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