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Posted: 10/23/2017 7:35:59 PM EDT
Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but:
-He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR -He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists -He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members -He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office -He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much? |
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Just by taking office, Iran released the hostages for fear of his wrath.
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Don't forget him giving California the Democrat vote for the rest of the foreseeable future with the illegal alien amnesty.
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He was the first President of the 20th century to not be a progressive except Coolidge and Hoover. He may not have been perfect, but he represented a new movement to help stem the bleeding of the progressive onslaught against this country that has continued unabated since Reconstruction.
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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but: -He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR -He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists -He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members -He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office -He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much? View Quote How old are you? I'm not trying to be an ass, but it will give a perspective of where you are coming from. |
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If you can name me one perfect person, let alone a politician, I'll concede your points.
Did Reagan have some flaws? Sure, who doesn't. We've been cursed with this belief that we could compromise with the (whatever name you want to give those working to destroy this country), and that eventually he would be successful. He traded some things, to get things he thought were important to the country. Some of those trades may have been worth it, some not so much. Out of curiosity OP, did you live through that time? I ask because he was a large part of the change and optimism that American went through during the 80s. Going from Vietnam into the 70s had left this country in a shitty mood for the most part. I would hate to think how things may have turned out with him being President. ETA: I see you answered the age question. I don't know if I can properly explain how much he benefited this country in the long run. |
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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but: -He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR -He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists -He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members -He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office -He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much? View Quote My guess is you are under the age of 30? |
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First of all, your post basically proves that you are a liberal and/or don't understand what Americanism is or Constitutional Conservatism is. Second, Reagan had his faults like all politicians do. However, he is the only president in the last umpteen years that actually fought to reduce the size of government and institute supply-side economics. His tax cuts were the largest in American history. High tide raises all boats. He did have to deal the liberals at the time and made some concessions as needed.
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How old are you? I'm not trying to be an ass, but it will give a perspective of where you are coming from. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but: -He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR -He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists -He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members -He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office -He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much? How old are you? I'm not trying to be an ass, but it will give a perspective of where you are coming from. eta, just saw the age. Oh well. |
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Born in ‘89. His successor/VP hated freedom and liked gun control too View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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First of all, your post basically proves that you are a liberal and/or don't understand what Americanism is or Constitutional Conservatism is. Second, Reagan had his faults like all politicians do. However, he is the only president in the last umpteen years that actually fought to reduce the size of government and institute supply-side economics. His tax cuts were the largest in American history. High tide raises all boats. He did have to deal the liberals at the time and made some concessions as needed. View Quote |
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-He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it View Quote |
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Reagan was a leader when the free world needed one. Common people in third world dictatorships looked up to him during his speeches with hope for their own countries. For many, their dictatorships eventually fell, something they attributed directly to Reagan and his speeches. They wept when he was buried.
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First of all, your post basically proves that you are a liberal and/or don't understand what Americanism is or Constitutional Conservatism is. Second, Reagan had his faults like all politicians do. However, he is the only president in the last umpteen years that actually fought to reduce the size of government and institute supply-side economics. His tax cuts were the largest in American history. High tide raises all boats. He did have to deal the liberals at the time and made some concessions as needed. View Quote Fed gov size 1989 - 1.56mil (only counting civilian, not .mil) Reagan did not shrink the government. Reagan increased spending though... WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU INCREASE SPENDING AND CUT TAXES??? DEBT GOES UP |
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So then who is a conservative?
He was president, not a superhero. BTW his military initiatives including SDI were the tipping point towards collapsing an increasingly exhausted USSR. |
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NO offense to your youth and inexperience, but that explains it all. View Quote Bush loves gun control |
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Reagan was a leader when the free world needed one. Common people in third world dictatorships looked up to him during his speeches with hope for their own countries. For many, their dictatorships eventually fell, something they attributed directly to Reagan and his speeches. They wept when he was buried. View Quote Also apparently a 1337 post |
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Born in ‘89. His successor/VP hated freedom and liked gun control too View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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What economy? Actually they had full employment, just like all the other socialist countries. Ask them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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This is true, but it does not invalidate my criticisms. Also apparently a 1337 post View Quote |
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-He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR - View Quote Yes he did. |
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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but: -He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR -He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists -He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members -He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office -He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much? View Quote |
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Generally when I want to be taken seriously and not for a foolish retard, I pop into threads and tell people who lived a certain time period when I was not even alive how things went down.
There are just not enough of these for this thread. We are currently experiencing a period similar in nature to 1980. We just came off 8 years of losing and morale has been crazy low with social chaos. And boom, in comes a leader with intangibles that changes the mood of the country. |
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What economy? Actually they had full employment, just like all the other socialist countries. Ask them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Also bullshit. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its imperial control of other people’s countries and a strict communist economy. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Edgy post modernist hipster, first time caller West of the Rockies checking in. Gotcha...
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Learn about his entire life. His political career began by fighting the commies in Hollywood.
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Bush was to Reagan as Cruz was to Trump.
As a gesture of good will to the GOPe, the Gipper chose H.W. As his running mate. They were not friends, and they did not share ideology. |
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ITT, we learn why liberalism is winning and the disdain for Millenials continues with good reason. The benefits of Reagan's reign was felt for many years after he left office. The policies and strength he projected as President was palpable, yet torn down by progressives and RINO's bit by bit with each successor. There were issues that some may shake their heads over, but he worked with what he had before him. His love of country cannot be surpassed and will shine for many more years.Yes, the ban of 1986 was horrible but could have been a hell of a lot worse. Just imagine how screwed this country would have been if Carter or his party's next candidate had won. We'd be using peashooters and living under communistic rules and socialistic medical care.
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Yeah, he wasn’t the worst president ever, but: -He didn’t cause the collapse of the USSR -He opened the door to trade dependency with the Chinese Communists -He didn’t do shit about jihadists killing almost 300 of our service members -He conspired with the Fudd parts of the NRA to infringe on our Second Amendment rights and supported an AWB after leaving office -He didn’t intervene to stop thatcher from handing over Hong Kong to the Commies without so much as a polite word against it So why do conservatives love him so much? Why do liberals hate him so much? View Quote |
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Totally! We love him because he shrank the federal government/deficit/debt!!! Oh wait... he grew the debt massively and didn't shrink .gov... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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He believed in small government. Oh wait... he grew the debt massively and didn't shrink .gov... Best you can do is check growth the best you can. |
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Fed gov size 1981 - 1.56mil Fed gov size 1989 - 1.56mil (only counting civilian, not .mil) https://www.mercatus.org/sites/default/files/Chart1-Spending-Per-Capita-vero.png Reagan did not shrink the government. Reagan increased spending though... WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU INCREASE SPENDING AND CUT TAXES??? DEBT GOES UP http://popularlogistics.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/gross-fed-debt-over-gdp2.jpg View Quote |
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Also bullshit. The Soviet Union collapsed under the weight of its imperial control of other people’s countries and a strict communist economy. View Quote https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0385504713/reasonmagazineA/ The USSR could have continued for a very long time, and would have if Reagan didn't stand up to them. The peace process followed by previous adminstrations gave the Soviets the breathing space they needed. |
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