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Posted: 2/28/2019 12:31:31 AM EDT
Can you imagine signing off on a beast like this?
Though I could have legally. Told the guy it was outside the scope of my work and liability insurance wouldn’t cover it. Told him I never signed off on disability claims of any kind. A general practice doc gave it to him. |
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What kind of "mastiff"?
I had an english masstiff/lab mix and it was our first baby. Wish she was still with us. |
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“Mixed”, half bull mastiff. Couldn’t tell me what the mixed half was.
Not like it would make a difference. |
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We had English mastiffs on the farm when I was growing up. They were great with kids, livestock, and other dogs. Really, all they did was sleep and fart.
Why wouldn't they be as good as any other dog for that role? I mean, 99% of this "emotional support" stuff is bullshit anyway, so what difference does it make? I'm genuinely curious, not looking to argue. |
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I’m not inflicting that on the world.
An emotional support dog. |
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The Mastiff is one of the sweetest, most chill dogs you'll ever come across. In fact, the reason that the Bullmastiff (60% Mastiff/40% Bulldog) was even bred is because the Mastiff wasn't as agile and aggressive as they needed it to be. There is nothing to fear from a Mastiff.....unless you're in the process of injuring his human. In that case, you're probably going to get mauled by a 200 lb. dog.
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Please explain- under what capacity are you "signing off" on a service dog? Are you certifying that you've trained the dog to perform a specific job for someone with a disability, or ????
Edit- how does a Doctor "sign off"/attest to a dogs performance? Is he/she a part time trainer? Edit 2- your post is about an emotional support dog NOT a service dog. I'm still curious how a Doctor "signs off" on a specific dogs ability and suitability to perform "emotional support". |
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Just curious, could you sign off if it was a Great Dane?
I'm a Verizon installer so I get to deal with a lot of different breeds. Probably dealt with about 15 mastiffs, only 1 was shady, not aggressive but so nervous I'm sure it would bite if it felt cornered. I've dealt with probably 50 Great Danes, haven't found a bad one yet, but my god will their bark scare you. They're fun dogs, face usually planted right by mine while I am working. |
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Please explain- under what capacity are you "signing off" on a service dog? Are you certifying that you've trained the dog to perform a specific job for someone with a disability, or ???? Edit- how does a Doctor "sign off"/attest to a dogs performance? Is he/she a part time trainer? Edit 2- your post is about an emotional support dog NOT a service dog. I'm still curious how a Doctor "signs off" on a particulars dogs ability and suitability to perform "emotional support". View Quote |
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I can sign off based on the person’s need. I am not an animal trainer,
You guys are telling me the mastiff is sweet. Fine. I accept your experience. But I don’t want to give service dog status to some untrained animal or really any animal so you can then fly with it or go to a restaurant. Nobody can challenge service dog status. I’m not giving somebody cover for that. |
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Just curious, could you sign off if it was a Great Dane? I'm a Verizon installer so I get to deal with a lot of different breeds. Probably dealt with about 15 mastiffs, only 1 was shady, not aggressive but so nervous I'm sure it would bite if it felt cornered. I've dealt with probably 50 Great Danes, haven't found a bad one yet, but my god will their bark scare you. They're fun dogs, face usually planted right by mine while I am working. View Quote |
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We have had 2 Mastiffs, both gone now. Chester the molester (nick name) was one gentle giant at 240 lbs. Ellie a rescue was the same, but only 160.
Chester would do anything but give you the key to the front door, which we never locked. You just had to go up on the porch and try to get to the door. Ellie was his back up. I suppose someone could breed a monstrosity, that would be a wicked combo. That said it would take the hate to drain that dog into evil. OP needs to explain WTF he is talking about, for clarity. That said though, a Mastiff doesn't make sense as a service dog, but it could probably be done in the right capacity. |
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The Mastiff is one of the sweetest, most chill dogs you'll ever come across. In fact, the reason that the Bullmastiff (60% Mastiff/40% Bulldog) was even bred is because the Mastiff wasn't as agile and aggressive as they needed it to be. There is nothing to fear from a Mastiff.....unless you're in the process of injuring his human. In that case, you're probably going to get mauled by a 200 lb. dog. View Quote Tail strikes to the knees and balls, farts that could strip paint, and you could slip and fall on drool spots. Very dangerous creatures. |
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Quoted: Do you want to grocery shop with a Great Dane? That's the question. Had one wander into a sandwich shop and grab my sub one time. View Quote It seems to me that "I don't want to be in a store with this breed of dog because (insert personal preference or dislike here), so I won't sign off" is a lawsuit waiting to happen. |
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This thread is confusing so I searched the net.
It appears only licensed Mental Health Professionals can prescribe an ESA (emotional support animal). Medical doctors cannot. Is this correct? How did a General Practice Doc prescribe one? It also appears that the prescription is for an ESA, but NOT any specific animal. That would mean you would NOT be "signing off" on the dog, just the person. Is that correct? It seems pretty clear that ESA's do not have the rights/privileges of a service dog either. |
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Quoted: Do you want to grocery shop with a Great Dane? That’s the question. Had one wander into a sandwich shop and grab my sub one time. View Quote |
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Please explain- under what capacity are you "signing off" on a service dog? Are you certifying that you've trained the dog to perform a specific job for someone with a disability, or ???? Edit- how does a Doctor "sign off"/attest to a dogs performance? Is he/she a part time trainer? Edit 2- your post is about an emotional support dog NOT a service dog. I'm still curious how a Doctor "signs off" on a specific dogs ability and suitability to perform "emotional support". View Quote I’m not participating in this lunacy. Wiki says it simply: A service dog is a term used in the USA to refer to any type of assistance dog specifically trained to help people who have disabilities, such as visual impairment, hearing impairments, mental disorders, seizures, mobility impairment, and diabetes. |
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There are all kinds of mastiffs. Bulldogs are a mastiff breed and Bimba is extremely gregarious and happy around people
She is also my service dog and she helps me whenever I suffer an attack of paralytic garanditis. |
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Nothing to fear? Not at all true. Tail strikes to the knees and balls, farts that could strip paint, and you could slip and fall on drool spots. Very dangerous creatures. View Quote You forgot about when they shake their heads and foot-long streamers of drool go flying everywhere. I remember seeing em stick to the ceiling a few times! I'm starting to side with OP on this! |
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You provide a letter over your signature. The problem is that professionals are signing off on untrained animals- chickens, ferrets, you name it. I’m not participating in this lunacy. Wiki says it simply: A service dog is a term used in the USA to refer to any type of assistance dog specifically trained to help people who have disabilities, such as visual impairment, hearing impairments, mental disorders, seizures, mobility impairment, and diabetes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Please explain- under what capacity are you "signing off" on a service dog? Are you certifying that you've trained the dog to perform a specific job for someone with a disability, or ???? Edit- how does a Doctor "sign off"/attest to a dogs performance? Is he/she a part time trainer? Edit 2- your post is about an emotional support dog NOT a service dog. I'm still curious how a Doctor "signs off" on a specific dogs ability and suitability to perform "emotional support". I’m not participating in this lunacy. Wiki says it simply: A service dog is a term used in the USA to refer to any type of assistance dog specifically trained to help people who have disabilities, such as visual impairment, hearing impairments, mental disorders, seizures, mobility impairment, and diabetes. Edit- more digging shows there are some Federal regulations about "assistance animals" (which are NOT service animals). Those regs don't appear to effect much except landlords and transportation. The regs do give people the ability to ban or evict a problem animal though. |
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I saw a great Dane service dog the other day. It actually looked like it worked well for the guy because it looked like a sight dog and was easy to hold onto the harness on it's back.
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There are all kinds of mastiffs. Bulldogs are a mastiff breed and Bimba is extremely gregarious and happy around people She is also my service dog and she helps me whenever I suffer an attack of paralytic garanditis. View Quote Hope you have a full recovery from garanditis. |
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I can sign off based on the person’s need. I am not an animal trainer, View Quote Seems that you are signing off on a liability you can never counter, with a knowledge you can never prove. |
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You forgot about when they shake their heads and foot-long streamers of drool go flying everywhere. I remember seeing em stick to the ceiling a few times! I'm starting to side with OP on this! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Nothing to fear? Not at all true. Tail strikes to the knees and balls, farts that could strip paint, and you could slip and fall on drool spots. Very dangerous creatures. You forgot about when they shake their heads and foot-long streamers of drool go flying everywhere. I remember seeing em stick to the ceiling a few times! I'm starting to side with OP on this! Sadly our drooly girl hasn't been with us for a few years, and our English has always been pretty dry mouthed. The puppy hasn't grown into her face yet, but she's a bullie and will probably make a mess. She was also 87lbs at the vets today. No way in hell I would parade them around in some degrading service dog vest, or make them visit a grocery store, though. They're most content holding the couch down at home. |
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Quoted: Wiki appears to be describing a generic use of the term "service dog" but NOT the legal definition of a service dog. Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) has a clear legal description. Emotional support doesn't qualify. Edit- more digging shows there are some Federal regulations about "assistance animals" (which are NOT service animals). Those regs don't appear to effect much except landlords. The regs do give landlords plenty of ability to ban or evict a problem animal though. View Quote I have seen trained dogs become no more than family pets because this has become such a train wreck. |
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Here’s a proper use of a dog.
No way in hell I would parade them around in some degrading service dog vest, or make them visit a grocery store, though. They're most content holding the couch down at home. View Quote |
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If you're not a trainer,or someone with certified credentials, why are you "signing off" on any animal? Seems that you are signing off on a liability you can never counter, with a knowledge you can never prove. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
I can sign off based on the person’s need. I am not an animal trainer, Seems that you are signing off on a liability you can never counter, with a knowledge you can never prove. |
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Here's a proper use of a dog. View Quote I am not a fan a miniature horse clopping into a restaurant either, I think it is ridiculous but I don't make these decisions. |
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Quoted: Wiki appears to be describing a generic use of the term "service dog" but NOT the legal definition of a service dog. Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA) has a clear legal description. Emotional support doesn't qualify. Edit- more digging shows there are some Federal regulations about "assistance animals" (which are NOT service animals). Those regs don't appear to effect much except landlords and transportation. The regs do give people the ability to ban or evict a problem animal though. View Quote However, everything else, are only compelled to accept service animals (K9's and miniature ponies). The fact that too many companies either don't understand the distinction or the law, or are afraid of legal action (even if in the right), as made it a shitshow, as you can see with all the articles about people bringing all kinds of emotional support animals on planes or in stores. |
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How are you determining this, on a professional level? What are the criteria that you must follow, as whatever your profession is, to make this yes/no decision? I am not a fan a miniature horse clopping into a restaurant either, I think it is ridiculous but I don't make these decisions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
How are you determining this, on a professional level? What are the criteria that you must follow, as whatever your profession is, to make this yes/no decision? I am not a fan a miniature horse clopping into a restaurant either, I think it is ridiculous but I don't make these decisions. Emotional support animals have privileges in the State of Texas, according to federal laws. These animals are not considered pets, but assistance animals. Because they offer emotional support to their owners, they can live and fly with them. What’s more, unlike with regular pets, you don’t have to pay any extra deposit or fee for housing or transportation. Apart from this, every state has its own regulations about these animals. Read on to learn more about Texas emotional support animal laws. |
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Quoted: This may help you see what is at issue in my situation. https://esadoctors.com/texas-emotional-support-animal/ View Quote While I am not a fan of every fucking thing under the sun becoming some sort of "service animal"...at all... and I understand the abuse of the system that is happening, I would be very weary of using your personal preferences to make these decisions in a professional capacity. |
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/10195/863A37EE-1AB5-45E9-98A9-A812584D938C_jpeg-860669.JPG Max says you need to chill. View Quote |
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I can sign off based on the person’s need. I am not an animal trainer, You guys are telling me the mastiff is sweet. Fine. I accept your experience. But I don’t want to give service dog status to some untrained animal or really any animal so you can then fly with it or go to a restaurant. Nobody can challenge service dog status. I’m not giving somebody cover for that. View Quote Edit fixed typos. |
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Of course whatever we think, GD does have an emotional support penguin.
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Can you imagine signing off on a beast like this? Though I could have legally. Told the guy it was outside the scope of my work and liability insurance wouldn’t cover it. Told him I never signed off on disability claims of any kind. A general practice doc gave it to him. View Quote She doesn’t fly with him or shop with him. They car travel so he gets into the hotel without a bunch of bullshit. He stays in his crate. And he doesn’t fart much or drool. |
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Like hell they can't. If your need for the service animal isn't covered by ADA then they don't have to allow the animal in. Pretty sure emotional support is not a protected disability that needs a service animal. Edit fixed typos. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I can sign off based on the person’s need. I am not an animal trainer, You guys are telling me the mastiff is sweet. Fine. I accept your experience. But I don’t want to give service dog status to some untrained animal or really any animal so you can then fly with it or go to a restaurant. Nobody can challenge service dog status. I’m not giving somebody cover for that. Edit fixed typos. His point is accurate. It’s dangerous to challenge a person with an animal that they are claiming is a service animal. Lawsuits are a very real threat. ETA: It’s common to have someone try to pass off a support dog as a service dog. I don’t want to lose my job over being wrong. |
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They are just big lazy retarded dogs View Quote She is my only experience with the breed but that one, is certainly not retarded. |
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Now I know doctor speak for "FUCK NO!" roughly translates as "That's outside the scope of my work" or something thereabouts.
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