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Posted: 9/19/2019 12:16:44 PM EST
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Generally the weatherman has nothing to gain by giving an incorrect forecast. In fact, if he's wrong a lot he probably won't have a job. But our friends in the Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, the weather forecast is wrong a lot which means it is never ever right, never! But our friends in the |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 12:19:38 PM EST
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you're familiar with the boy who cried wolf? pretty much every week there's been a scandal that we're assured will mean drumpf is finished this time and they all turn out to be nothing burgers. so chances are it's highly likely this will be another nothing burger Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A timeline of events from the WaPo that could be helpful: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/09/19/what-is-trump-whistleblower-complaint-about-heres-helpful-timeline/ 
Until we know the nature of the complaint it seems silly to jump to conclusions. At this point, anyone saying "This is a nothingburger" is just as much of a retard as someone saying "This will bring down Trump!!!!111"
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Posted: 9/19/2019 12:34:08 PM EST
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Quoted: You seem upset the whistleblower appears to have followed the correct procedures to lawfully blow the whistle on illegal / improper government activities. Quoted: We simply don't know yet.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 12:35:48 PM EST
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The biggest and greatest and most demeaning of any COC Violations was written in this space, before I back spaced it out and wrote this  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 12:41:46 PM EST
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The biggest and greatest and most demeaning of any COC Violations was written in this space, before I back spaced it out and wrote this It's like saying "I refuse to make a thoughtful argument and simply going to attack the person bringing the news." I mean, it's like cheering yourself for picking the lowest tier response and being proud of it. Some of you get all pissed that the "trolls aren't being banned and/or 'protected'" yet 90% of the responses in this thread are trolling at the lowest tier of this pyramid. Hint: When you read a news article that you might not agree with, try to frame your argument using the top of the pyramid, NOT the bottom. 
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Posted: 9/19/2019 12:47:18 PM EST
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Yeah, the weather forecast is wrong a lot which means it is never ever right, never! Then, there are Indian rain dancers who hop around while chanting nonsense. Discredited Russian hoax peddlers, and "climate change" conmen, are the journalistic equivalent of the latter. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 12:51:34 PM EST
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WaPo LOL
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Posted: 9/19/2019 12:56:12 PM EST
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I'm so sick of this shit. If there's something just say it and present the proof. Otherwise stfu.
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Posted: 9/19/2019 12:58:52 PM EST
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I'm so sick of this shit. If there's something just say it and present the proof. Otherwise stfu. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 12:59:41 PM EST
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Quoted: Quoted: A whistleblower isn't a "leaker". It's an entirely lawful process and an important part of Congressional oversight. If the Washington post is reporting on it, it must have been leaked--how else did they find out? The whistleblower exists regardless of the "leak" to the WaPo about the contents of the complaint. HPSCI and the ODNI have been sending public letters back and forth for almost a week about this matter - we just didn't know what the complaint was about... The president can promise anything he wants. Delivering is a different story. It is called diplomacy. Diplomats lie all the time. The pres is the top diplomat. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:04:12 PM EST
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I find it humorous that this so called "promise" was such a huge issue to national security that a formal complaint was filed.... but leaking of all this national security stuff... yeah, that's not an issue at all.
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:05:28 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A whistleblower isn't a "leaker". It's an entirely lawful process and an important part of Congressional oversight. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:07:35 PM EST
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And if the leak reeks of TDS the "whistleblower" should be held accountable for being an activist and dealt with accordingly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: A whistleblower isn't a "leaker". It's an entirely lawful process and an important part of Congressional oversight. ETA: [Whispers] It's also illegal. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:12:11 PM EST
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Cool. The rhetoricals don't sound very spontaneous, but if so you'd make a good debater or interview subject. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:18:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Punishing whistleblowers is a really bad idea. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:18:56 PM EST
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HPSCI just released the initial notification letter from the IC OIG...
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190909_-_ic_ig_letter_to_hpsci_on_whistleblower.pdf |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:19:55 PM EST
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Sure. But first let us all know what “I’ll have more leeway after I’m re-elected” meant when Obama said that to Putin |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:20:00 PM EST
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Twitter threads are kind of a pain - but this one does a good job of breaking down some of the legal issues of the dispute between ODNI and HSPCI... In short, our whistleblower system isn't designed to deal with issues when the President may be the national security risk... Congress can impeach if he is knowingly committing treason. Voters can vote him out if they don’t like him. No need for other laws for career bureaucrats to make those decisions. These decisions should only be made by individuals accountable to the people by vote. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:20:24 PM EST
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:21:41 PM EST
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Second letter from IC OIG to HPSCI:
https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190917_-_ic_ig_second_letter_to_hpsci_on_whistleblower.pdf |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:24:04 PM EST
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What's awesome about this is it's outright confirmation that the intel community continues to spy on the president - just like they did before his election. Hopefully, many of them will be prosecuted along with former FBI management.
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:24:10 PM EST
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Why do you guys act so proud of this? It's like saying "I refuse to make a thoughtful argument and simply going to attack the person bringing the news." I mean, it's like cheering yourself for picking the lowest tier response and being proud of it. Some of you get all pissed that the "trolls aren't being banned and/or 'protected'" yet 90% of the responses in this thread are trolling at the lowest tier of this pyramid. Hint: When you read a news article that you might not agree with, try to frame your argument using the top of the pyramid, NOT the bottom. https://i.imgur.com/Bt1F9O9.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The biggest and greatest and most demeaning of any COC Violations was written in this space, before I back spaced it out and wrote this It's like saying "I refuse to make a thoughtful argument and simply going to attack the person bringing the news." I mean, it's like cheering yourself for picking the lowest tier response and being proud of it. Some of you get all pissed that the "trolls aren't being banned and/or 'protected'" yet 90% of the responses in this thread are trolling at the lowest tier of this pyramid. Hint: When you read a news article that you might not agree with, try to frame your argument using the top of the pyramid, NOT the bottom. https://i.imgur.com/Bt1F9O9.jpg |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:24:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whistleblower or leaker, they were monitoring executive phone calls. That is illegal. The president can promise anything he wants. Delivering is a different story. It is called diplomacy. Diplomats lie all the time. The pres is the top diplomat. 
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:25:26 PM EST
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Punishing whistleblowers is a really bad idea. ETA: [Whispers] It's also illegal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:28:26 PM EST
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Is it legal to give bullshit information as a whistle blower for political ends? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: A whistleblower isn't a "leaker". It's an entirely lawful process and an important part of Congressional oversight. ETA: [Whispers] It's also illegal. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:32:38 PM EST
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You definitely got him this time B_S. Drumpf is finished! Now get back to the register, someone ordered a latte. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:34:54 PM EST
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The big Orange coup (Part deux)
This explains the 20s in his back pocket,hush money. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:36:53 PM EST
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Second letter from IC OIG to HPSCI: https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190917_-_ic_ig_second_letter_to_hpsci_on_whistleblower.pdf |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:40:10 PM EST
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This is a leading story on the WaPo website, CNN, MSNBC, ABC and NBC. Nothing on Fox - which I guess explains why there was nothing here (That I could find) until I posted something. lol |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:41:40 PM EST
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So, this whistleblower is admitting openly that he spied on phone calls between the President and other world leaders?
Can he produce a warrant for that? |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:42:18 PM EST
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So basically the whistleblower was "literally shaking" and had to go tell someone?
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:44:11 PM EST
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So, this whistleblower is admitting openly that he spied on phone calls between the President and other world leaders? Can he produce a warrant for that? |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:46:29 PM EST
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:47:00 PM EST
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There is a ton of whining in there. Sounds like a political hit. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:48:22 PM EST
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Cool. The rhetoricals don't sound very spontaneous, but if so you'd make a good debater or interview subject. 
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:48:31 PM EST
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Here we find ourselves in a typical GD thread, which has gone 6+ pages of discussion, with no one having the slightest idea what the fuck is going on.
Bravo GD! |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:49:58 PM EST
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So basically the whistleblower was "literally shaking" and had to go tell someone? These _ threads are like Q threads but with less substance and even fewer confirming outcomes |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:51:05 PM EST
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"I didn't like his response so I'm going around the chain of command" Sounds like a political hit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is a ton of whining in there. Sounds like a political hit. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:54:49 PM EST
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HPSCI just released the initial notification letter from the IC OIG... https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190909_-_ic_ig_letter_to_hpsci_on_whistleblower.pdf |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 1:56:29 PM EST
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Second letter from IC OIG to HPSCI: https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190917_-_ic_ig_second_letter_to_hpsci_on_whistleblower.pdf |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 2:12:39 PM EST
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It's more like the law gives the IC OIG the authority to make the determination that the matter is "urgent" and should be given to Congress within a certain amount of time, and does not explicitly give the authority to the ODNI to countermand that determination. Hence the legal issue. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is a ton of whining in there. Sounds like a political hit. Who knew we could usurp the process? In the case of incriminating the president, the proper procedure is to usurp the chain of command and go straight to congress for an impeachment hearing. Do I have that correct? |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 2:24:35 PM EST
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It's weird... When certain people are refuted by a mod, their response is wildly different
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Posted: 9/19/2019 2:26:14 PM EST
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Oh, so all of this investigative procedure and rules of the DOJ IG cooperating with the AG and those incriminated by the IG to make certain determinations on the release of information is unnecessary if it is deemed "urgent" by the IG? Who knew we could usurp the process? In the case of incriminating the president, the proper procedure is to usurp the chain of command and go straight to congress for an impeachment hearing. Do I have that correct? 
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Posted: 9/19/2019 2:27:09 PM EST
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Oh, so all of this investigative procedure and rules of the DOJ IG cooperating with the AG and those incriminated by the IG to make certain determinations on the release of information is unnecessary if it is deemed "urgent" by the IG? Who knew we could usurp the process? In the case of incriminating the president, the proper procedure is to usurp the chain of command and go straight to congress for an impeachment hearing. Do I have that correct? |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 2:27:37 PM EST
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What's awesome about this is it's outright confirmation that the intel community continues to spy on the president - just like they did before his election. Hopefully, many of them will be prosecuted along with former FBI management. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 2:29:35 PM EST
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Oh, so all of this investigative procedure and rules of the DOJ IG cooperating with the AG and those incriminated by the IG to make certain determinations on the release of information is unnecessary if it is deemed "urgent" by the IG? Who knew we could usurp the process? In the case of incriminating the president, the proper procedure is to usurp the chain of command and go straight to congress for an impeachment hearing. Do I have that correct? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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There is a ton of whining in there. Sounds like a political hit. Who knew we could usurp the process? In the case of incriminating the president, the proper procedure is to usurp the chain of command and go straight to congress for an impeachment hearing. Do I have that correct? First, the DOJ OIG has nothing to do with this. The relevant statutory authorities are described in the Intelligence Community Whistleblower Protection Act if you'd like to read further. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 2:31:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And those "some" would have a lot of reason to do so given how much utter tripe has been outright fabricated over the last three years. The press...every last fucking outlet that exists...has proven more than willing to publish complete and total falsehoods in the interest of promoting their preferred narratives and political outcome. All of them. Officials high in government have demonstrated that they will embrace complete and utter falsehoods in the interest of promoting their preferred narratives and favored political outcomes. So when it's abundantly clear that the press is a gaggle of liars and that people in high positions in the government...be they elected or civil servants...and this has been demonstrated repeatedly, it's pretty reasonable for those "some" people to believe that this is yet another instance of the same shit they've seen so shamelessly presented before. "But, but, we're not lying this time!" We've seen lots of extraordinary claims over the last three years. All without any of the required extraordinary evidence. Pushed primarily by people who are lying through their teeth in an effort to seize power. But, hey...anyone who distrusts what is being printed and promoted by that same cast of characters this time must be some sort of brain dead zealot.  
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Posted: 9/19/2019 2:38:22 PM EST
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There is a ton of whining in there. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 2:39:54 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess it depends on what you mean by "this". The whistleblower exists, independent of whatever media reporting is out there. It's the nature of the complaint that's still up in the air. |
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Posted: 9/19/2019 2:40:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's more like the law gives the IC OIG the authority to make the determination that the matter is "urgent" and should be given to Congress within a certain amount of time, and does not explicitly give the authority to the ODNI to countermand that determination. Hence the legal issue. It does in fact give him the authority to countermand that determination qas he is the legal reporter. |
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