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Posted: 9/26/2017 6:43:17 PM EST
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Even the ARF Jewish will agree that most Jews in the west are "progressives" That's fucked up. Smart doesn't equal wise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cool, good for them. Can they stop being so super marxist/open boarders on one side and then globalist capitalism on the other while having 1/3 of the Supreme Court the FED chairman since Regan and a massive over representation in government, media, finance and and entertainment? Almost every "dear fellow white people we suck and have caused all the problems" has been by a Jew. But bring up the idea of Jewish privilege, your anti-Semitic because of the 6 million. That's fucked up. Smart doesn't equal wise. The difference is there are not very many rural Jews who've never been to college to offset the percentage of progs. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 6:45:52 PM EST
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Ok and what was the WASP population in the late 1800's? When you're 2% of the pop and start to have the massive influence in all the institutions in society and and all those same institutions have an anti-American anti-white bias. White people start noticing a coincidence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No one bats an eyelash when a bunch of Anglo-Saxons like the Bushes consolidate power and wealth, but when Jews do it it must be a Zionist conspiracy! When you're 2% of the pop and start to have the massive influence in all the institutions in society and and all those same institutions have an anti-American anti-white bias. White people start noticing a coincidence. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 6:47:32 PM EST
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If look at urban highly educated white gentiles, you'll have about the same percentage of progs as there is in the Jewish population. The difference is there are not very many rural Jews who've never been to college to offset the percentage of progs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cool, good for them. Can they stop being so super marxist/open boarders on one side and then globalist capitalism on the other while having 1/3 of the Supreme Court the FED chairman since Regan and a massive over representation in government, media, finance and and entertainment? Almost every "dear fellow white people we suck and have caused all the problems" has been by a Jew. But bring up the idea of Jewish privilege, your anti-Semitic because of the 6 million. That's fucked up. Smart doesn't equal wise. The difference is there are not very many rural Jews who've never been to college to offset the percentage of progs. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 6:52:00 PM EST
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If look at urban highly educated white gentiles, you'll have about the same percentage of progs as there is in the Jewish population. The difference is there are not very many rural Jews who've never been to college to offset the percentage of progs. One Jew I know described it thusly: "Jews relate to the underdog. American Jews were victims of serious discrimination when they first arrived, and have always held the connection to other such groups." OTOH, Jews in close proximity to African American neighborhoods don't feel much affinity for their fellow minority. And then there's the whole gun control thing. I have sat with Jews with IQs off the chart who insist that only the government should have guns. This happens with goyim as well, but it seems almost universal with Jews. Some good trends: A local synagogue's Rabbi spoke openly against gun ownership and the NRA two years ago; today she is silent, and even shut down an anti Trump rant by a congregant. Apparently there is some pushback within the community. And as I mentioned elsewhere, Russian emigres of the Jewish persuasion are super PRO TRUMP! They have seen the Red, they recognize it in today's American Left, and they are grateful for Trump. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 6:54:33 PM EST
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Ok and what was the WASP population in the late 1800's? When you're 2% of the pop and start to have the massive influence in all the institutions in society and and all those same institutions have an anti-American anti-white bias. White people start noticing a coincidence. I’m part Jew, so I’m just curious. No one has ever given me any gold or stock certificates. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 6:58:20 PM EST
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Quote HistoryI don't hate Jews. But the Jews I find irritating are because they were like Crossiftters and Vegans... do the math. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 7:03:44 PM EST
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at this point in history education & modernism is a fault.
the average Iraqi family has 9 children Why? the kids are valuabel as laborers in a largley ag economy. the average US family has 2.5 & they are an economic drain on the family. Education & automation& modenazation has set us up to lose. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 7:07:40 PM EST
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So it’s OK to control banks and politics as long as you were the dominant race? I’m part Jew, so I’m just curious. No one has ever given me any gold or stock certificates. May the best man win. In many fields, that is the smartest man. And there are lots of smart Jews. I see no problem there. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 7:13:50 PM EST
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So it’s OK to control banks and politics as long as you were the dominant race? I’m part Jew, so I’m just curious. No one has ever given me any gold or stock certificates. And I've never gotten any stocks stocks or gold despite my white privilege . But keep hearing about it in national news papers, academic articles an NBA coaches that say there white bit are Jews. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 7:15:14 PM EST
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My only issue with Jews (culturally) is their lack of military service during war time in the past 15 or so years. They are VERY underrepresented in the US armed forces but you'll hear of thousands of US (Jewish) citizens flying over to Israel to fight their wars.
Two of my closer friends are culturally Jewish and they basically tell me serving in the armed forces is seen as "lower" class...growing up they are taught to be lawyers/finance/doctors, etc.. This is a great article about it from a Jewish news website... https://www.jweekly.com/2001/10/26/attention-where-are-the-jews-in-the-u-s-military/ Try this experiment at your next synagogue service or other Jewish gathering. Ask all the veterans to stand up. My guess is that the average age will be in the 70s as the proud veterans of World War II represent the majority. Then ask those who have a son or daughter, grandson or granddaughter who is a veteran or serving on active duty to stand up. Finally, ask those who currently know somebody serving on active duty to stand up as well. Sadly my guess is that the groups of people answering yes to the last two questions will be counted on the fingers of one hand.
Unfortunately, while Jews in the United States are over-represented in virtually every profession from law to medicine to science, they are few and far between in the armed forces of our country. Truth be told, nice Jewish boys and girls aren't raised to grow up and be soldiers, except of course in Israel. Throughout my career in the Air Force, I can't recall a single time that I didn't have trouble finding a minyan at any base I have been to. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/americans-fight-israel-lone-soldiers-gaza-strip-n161441 There are about 6,000 lone soldiers in the IDF today, said Josh Flaster, director of the Lone Soldier Center, an Israeli nonprofit.
About a third of those are from the United States, but sizable contingents are also from France, Russia and Argentina, Flaster said. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 7:32:56 PM EST
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Hold dick
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Posted: 9/26/2017 7:37:05 PM EST
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My only issue with Jews (culturally) is their lack of military service during war time in the past 15 or so years. They are VERY underrepresented in the US armed forces but you'll hear of thousands of US (Jewish) citizens flying over to Israel to fight their wars. Two of my closer friends are culturally Jewish and they basically tell me serving in the armed forces is seen as "lower" class...growing up they are taught to be lawyers/finance/doctors, etc.. This is a great article about it from a Jewish news website... https://www.jweekly.com/2001/10/26/attention-where-are-the-jews-in-the-u-s-military/ But when it comes to Israel's last war with the Palestinians, thousands of US Jews flew over to Israel to fight in the IDF. It just pisses me off. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/americans-fight-israel-lone-soldiers-gaza-strip-n161441 Quote HistoryQuoted:
My only issue with Jews (culturally) is their lack of military service during war time in the past 15 or so years. They are VERY underrepresented in the US armed forces but you'll hear of thousands of US (Jewish) citizens flying over to Israel to fight their wars. Two of my closer friends are culturally Jewish and they basically tell me serving in the armed forces is seen as "lower" class...growing up they are taught to be lawyers/finance/doctors, etc.. This is a great article about it from a Jewish news website... https://www.jweekly.com/2001/10/26/attention-where-are-the-jews-in-the-u-s-military/ Try this experiment at your next synagogue service or other Jewish gathering. Ask all the veterans to stand up. My guess is that the average age will be in the 70s as the proud veterans of World War II represent the majority. Then ask those who have a son or daughter, grandson or granddaughter who is a veteran or serving on active duty to stand up. Finally, ask those who currently know somebody serving on active duty to stand up as well. Sadly my guess is that the groups of people answering yes to the last two questions will be counted on the fingers of one hand.
Unfortunately, while Jews in the United States are over-represented in virtually every profession from law to medicine to science, they are few and far between in the armed forces of our country. Truth be told, nice Jewish boys and girls aren't raised to grow up and be soldiers, except of course in Israel. Throughout my career in the Air Force, I can't recall a single time that I didn't have trouble finding a minyan at any base I have been to. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/middle-east-unrest/americans-fight-israel-lone-soldiers-gaza-strip-n161441 There are about 6,000 lone soldiers in the IDF today, said Josh Flaster, director of the Lone Soldier Center, an Israeli nonprofit.
About a third of those are from the United States, but sizable contingents are also from France, Russia and Argentina, Flaster said. My friend was Jewish and he was killed in Iraq. That said I would be remiss to not remember Him now Foster Harrington, USMC |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 7:49:50 PM EST
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the overwhelming (and i mean overwhelming) majority of jews in the U.S. vote democratic and are overwhelmingly more left leaning than even most democrats. i find antisemitism repulsive and do not harbor prejudices but i will not get on my knees and kiss their feet.
also, a huge number of american jews identify as secular. they aren't even really jewish, it's only in culture. i respect jews, and in fact i have great admiration for israeli jews, i think they "get it." if every jew was like bibi netanyahu i would consider them among the greatest people to have ever lived. american jews, the majority of them, do not "get it." having lived in some wealthy parts of CA before i've spent plenty of time around them and let me tell you, you will not find a group of more bitter, nasty, self-hating, selfish, arrogant, rude people than liberal "secular" jewish people. they are the types of liberals who accuse you of being a piece of shit for driving a diesel pickup truck but will bulldoze entire swaths of land along the coast to build their eyesore mansions. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 7:54:14 PM EST
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the overwhelming (and i mean overwhelming) majority of jews in the U.S. vote democratic and are overwhelmingly more left leaning than even most democrats. i find antisemitism repulsive and do not harbor prejudices but i will not get on my knees and kiss their feet. also, a huge number of american jews identify as secular. they aren't even really jewish, it's only in culture. i respect jews, and in fact i have great admiration for israeli jews, i think they "get it." if every jew was like bibi netanyahu i would consider them among the greatest people to have ever lived. american jews, the majority of them, do not "get it." having lived in some wealthy parts of CA before i've spent plenty of time around them and let me tell you, you will not find a group of more bitter, nasty, self-hating, selfish, arrogant, rude people than liberal "secular" jewish people. they are the types of liberals who accuse you of being a piece of shit for driving a diesel pickup truck but will bulldoze entire swaths of land along the coast to build their eyesore mansions. Just making observations on their culture and recognize their role In western civ I've lived in middle class Jewish neighborhood in Miami and around upper class Jews in Connecticut I despise the liberals and their elitist attitudes, Jews or not |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 8:17:27 PM EST
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I'm a Jewish US Army veteran, and have served this country in the military, law enforcement and DOD for over 35 years. My Dad served in the Polish cavalry in 1939 and spent 6 years in concentration camp for the privilege. My Grandfather rode with Pilsudski to within sight of the of the spires of Moscow in 1920. An ancestor served in the Brigade of Jewish Cavalry in the War of the Last Partition in 1795. Coincidentally, Jews have served honorably in every military campaign in this country's history, and my family has served honorably in every country where we have resided. We did it not for gold or favor, but for the right to be left alone. That Jews won't fight for their country is a blood libel disproven by my family's, and this country's, history.
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Posted: 9/26/2017 8:35:11 PM EST
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Incidentally, next time some leftist/BLM type starts telling you how "white privilege" is to blame for everything, remind them of the following facts:
1. While it's hard to account for the percentage of "Jewish" wealth and influence among the larger "white" population, roughly half of the richest "white" people in the country are actually Jews 2. If Jews are considered separately, "white privilege" largely vanishes 3. Therefore, their arguments should target Jews 4. Restate their arguments replacing the word "white" with "Jew" (its gonna sound like a Hitler speech, trust me) Then watch the meltdown |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 8:40:15 PM EST
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Incidentally, next time some leftist/BLM type starts telling you how "white privilege" is to blame for everything, remind them of the following facts: 1. While it's hard to account for the percentage of "Jewish" wealth and influence among the larger "white" population, roughly half of the richest "white" people in the country are actually Jews 2. If Jews are considered separately, "white privilege" largely vanishes 3. Therefore, their arguments should target Jews 4. Restate their arguments replacing the word "white" with "Jew" (its gonna sound like a Hitler speech, trust me) Then watch the meltdown |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 8:48:06 PM EST
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We need a designated day of the week for Jew threads.
And a designated day for the .40 cal hate too. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 9:50:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KC-130 FLT ENG:
We need a designated day of the week for Jew threads. And a designated day for the .40 cal hate too. Tuesday Jewsday .40 cal sucks 24/6 365  
and everything is a strawman 
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Posted: 9/26/2017 9:53:43 PM EST
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As a kid, jews were all white people to me and darn if I could tell them apart from other white people; and I still can't. Now as an adult I know Jews are also olive skinned, black (Ethiopian), Asian (Chinese jews) and even Latinos.
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Posted: 9/26/2017 10:12:11 PM EST
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So let me see if I can keep track of the ar15 approved opinions of various religions:
Muslims: goat fucking cave dwellers who are all terrorists Christians: gullible, weak minded retards who are the root of all the GOPs problems Jews: hard working, successful geniuses who should be respected Lol OK. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 10:25:47 PM EST
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What people get wrong about the jews and the bible is the jews are but one tribe of the whole nation of Israel. The other tribes were scattered around the globe and prophesied to lose their identity. They have. The majority of Israel (dan, asher, ruben, gad, simon, jacob, etc....) occupy and run the largest and most successful nations of the world.
The tribe of judah has been the most persecuted, however the times of the gentiles will effect the world, not just modern day Israel. |
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Posted: 9/26/2017 11:22:17 PM EST
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So let me see if I can keep track of the ar15 approved opinions of various religions: Muslims: goat fucking cave dwellers who are all terrorists Christians: gullible, weak minded retards who are the root of all the GOPs problems Jews: hard working, successful geniuses who should be respected Lol OK.
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Posted: 9/26/2017 11:53:06 PM EST
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What people get wrong about the jews and the bible is the jews are but one tribe of the whole nation of Israel. The other tribes were scattered around the globe and prophesied to lose their identity. They have. The majority of Israel (dan, asher, ruben, gad, simon, jacob, etc....) occupy and run the largest and most successful nations of the world. The tribe of judah has been the most persecuted, however the times of the gentiles will effect the world, not just modern day Israel. There are no "lost tribes" in the sense we do not know where they are. There is a loss of *most* tribal identity but they certainly exist within the current Jewish populations. You are talking about something that has been known by a number of names, such as British Israelism or Christian Identity. DNA studies are not kind to those beliefs. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:05:31 AM EST
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I hate Jewish Bolsheviks, I can tell you that. They seem to run 99% of the MSM too.
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:07:25 AM EST
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Cool, good for them. Can they stop being so super marxist/open boarders on one side and then globalist capitalism on the other while having 1/3 of the Supreme Court the FED chairman since Regan and a massive over representation in government, media, finance and and entertainment? Almost every "dear fellow white people we suck and have caused all the problems" has been by a Jew. But bring up the idea of Jewish privilege, your anti-Semitic because of the 6 million. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:07:33 AM EST
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It's very helpful when people use words like "subservience" to help us understand their antisemitism. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Uh Oh... Evangelicals with their dogmatic subservience to Jews in order to get the Apocalypse and Jesus back vs. Alt-Right the Jews are behind Cultural Marxism/out to destroy the West. Just wanted to point out the dogmatic Israel over America of fundamentalist Evangelicals (in which they hope to bring upon the Apocalypse and get Jesus back). People are people however. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:09:01 AM EST
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Even the ARF Jewish will agree that most Jews in the west are "progressives" That's fucked up. Smart doesn't equal wise. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cool, good for them. Can they stop being so super marxist/open boarders on one side and then globalist capitalism on the other while having 1/3 of the Supreme Court the FED chairman since Regan and a massive over representation in government, media, finance and and entertainment? Almost every "dear fellow white people we suck and have caused all the problems" has been by a Jew. But bring up the idea of Jewish privilege, your anti-Semitic because of the 6 million. That's fucked up. Smart doesn't equal wise. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:10:32 AM EST
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I'm okay with Jews. Not a big fan of the fundamentalist Orthodox. Just wanted to point out the dogmatic Israel over America of fundamentalist Evangelicals (in which they hope to bring upon the Apocalypse and get Jesus back). In the U.S, the Orthodox tend to be right leaning conservative types. It is the secular/reformed (unfortunately the majority in the U.S.) that tend to be liberal. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:11:42 AM EST
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The fundamentalist Orthodox Jews? In the U.S, the Orthodox tend to be right leaning conservative types. It is the secular/reformed (unfortunately the majority in the U.S.) that tend to be liberal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm okay with Jews. Not a big fan of the fundamentalist Orthodox. Just wanted to point out the dogmatic Israel over America of fundamentalist Evangelicals (in which they hope to bring upon the Apocalypse and get Jesus back). In the U.S, the Orthodox tend to be right leaning conservative types. It is the secular/reformed (unfortunately the majority in the U.S.) that tend to be liberal. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:13:52 AM EST
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The fundamentalist Orthodox Jews? In the U.S, the Orthodox tend to be right leaning conservative types. It is the secular/reformed (unfortunately the majority in the U.S.) that tend to be liberal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm okay with Jews. Not a big fan of the fundamentalist Orthodox. Just wanted to point out the dogmatic Israel over America of fundamentalist Evangelicals (in which they hope to bring upon the Apocalypse and get Jesus back). In the U.S, the Orthodox tend to be right leaning conservative types. It is the secular/reformed (unfortunately the majority in the U.S.) that tend to be liberal. Hopefully conservatism doesn't go down with the trainwreck of fundamentalist religion. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:14:03 AM EST
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And that would be why he doesn't like them... |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:18:02 AM EST
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I was thinking more in Israel. Being conservative doesn't mean that you also don't hold bad/ignorant/etc. views. Hopefully conservatism doesn't go down with the trainwreck of fundamentalist religion. The odd thing is, religiously, they are roughly identical. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:18:18 AM EST
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:19:34 AM EST
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You hate success. Jews make up 0.2 percent of the world's population yet about 20 percent of the Nobel prize winners. I won't even go into other fields of endeavor. Compare that with the Arab or even Muslim world. The contrast will be stark. Richest group of Americans, last I checked, were Coptic Egyptians. If I recall middle easterners in general are fairly well off on average in the US. They earn roughly 90% of the same wage in the same field as whites, which is on par with East Asians. Well above Hispanics and blacks. Quoted:
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I was thinking more in Israel. Being conservative doesn't mean that you also don't hold bad/ignorant/etc. views. Hopefully conservatism doesn't go down with the trainwreck of fundamentalist religion. The odd thing is, religiously, they are roughly identical. And let us be fair here, the most religious states in the US tend to be fairly poor. Arkansas is the poorest state in the US. Not to piss in anyone's corn flakes, but the number of engineers, doctors, ect. that come out of the poor rural religious states is few and far between. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:23:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryYes, that is why I use words like "tends" and "mostly"
Orthodox Judaism is made of many groups. Some have a history of producing more shit bags than others. As with most news, most people have no idea what they are reading. They see "ultra orthodox" and form opinions without any real understanding. Most white males lean right. It would be like reading an article about a leftist group of white males and applying that to all white males. Again, the Orthodox in the U.S. tend to lean right. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:28:02 AM EST
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Honestly, even their (the Ultra-Orthodox) conservatism or welfare-loving is honestly secondary (even to them).
I'm not a big fan of fundamentalist religion in general. That's what really motivates them. If they thought God told them to be liberals (or literally anything), they would do it. That's why I say conservatism or welfare-loving are secondary to them. It's not their true motivation. Moderates or theological-liberals, one can at least discuss things without thinking the other person is pretty much in a cult. They can grapple ideas more intellectually honestly. A lot of the rise of fundamentalism was just a reaction to/against Modernity. Having people act/hope/elect for what kinda is cult-ish beliefs is dangerous (see people who would love for the Apocalypse to happen, etc.) |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:36:23 AM EST
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Honestly, even their (the Ultra-Orthodox) conservatism or welfare-loving is honestly secondary (even to them). I'm not a big fan of fundamentalist religion in general. Moderates or theological-liberals, one can at least discuss things without thinking the other person is pretty much in a cult. As for the orthodox Jews, they do not want anything from you are for you. Jews do not recruit. If you are not Jewish, you do not need to be. No one ever knocked on your door to talk to you about Judaism. So, there is no need for them (and they almost universally do not) get dogmatically defensive. They may tell you how they see it. Not how you need to see it. Seems like a pretty good way to go about it. How many Orthodox have you tried to have an honest religious conversation with? Besides being a pretty unusual thing for most people to ever do, most Orthodox would rather placate someone or get out of having such a conversation. With the no recruiting thing, there is no need to spread a truth either. So placation is often a good choice. For the person who deals with the Orthodox on a regular basis, yeah, that is probably annoying. An insular group with different beliefs and no desire to let outsiders in.....might give people a bad taste about it. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:37:27 AM EST
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Jews are cool.
I can make jew jokes and they don't flip out. 
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:41:48 AM EST
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For one, there is no such things as "utra orthodox." It is mostly a media term. You are either observant of the Torah or you are not. There is no level beyond that. It would be like being ultra male. Jokes aside, you are either a man or you are not. As for the orthodox Jews, they do not want anything from you are for you. Jews do not recruit. If you are not Jewish, you do not need to be. No one ever knocked on your door to talk to you about Judaism. So, there is no need for them (and they almost universally do not) get dogmatically defensive. They may tell you how they see it. Not how you need to see it. Seems like a pretty good way to go about it. How many Orthodox have you tried to have an honest religious conversation with? Besides being a pretty unusual thing for most people to ever do, most Orthodox would rather placate someone or get out of having such a conversation. With the no recruiting thing, there is no need to spread a truth either. So placation is often a good choice. For the person who deals with the Orthodox on a regular basis, yeah, that is probably annoying. An insular group with different beliefs and no desire to let outsiders in.....might give people a bad taste about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Honestly, even their (the Ultra-Orthodox) conservatism or welfare-loving is honestly secondary (even to them). I'm not a big fan of fundamentalist religion in general. Moderates or theological-liberals, one can at least discuss things without thinking the other person is pretty much in a cult. As for the orthodox Jews, they do not want anything from you are for you. Jews do not recruit. If you are not Jewish, you do not need to be. No one ever knocked on your door to talk to you about Judaism. So, there is no need for them (and they almost universally do not) get dogmatically defensive. They may tell you how they see it. Not how you need to see it. Seems like a pretty good way to go about it. How many Orthodox have you tried to have an honest religious conversation with? Besides being a pretty unusual thing for most people to ever do, most Orthodox would rather placate someone or get out of having such a conversation. With the no recruiting thing, there is no need to spread a truth either. So placation is often a good choice. For the person who deals with the Orthodox on a regular basis, yeah, that is probably annoying. An insular group with different beliefs and no desire to let outsiders in.....might give people a bad taste about it. I support Israel as being a modern country, but this whole fundamentalist thing surrounding it is something else. This is something I hope all religions move away from. Even if the Orthodox are not knocking on doors or flying planes into buildings, they still play a huge outsized role in geo-politics and the direction of things (I don't mean that as a Jew jibe but rather something more to do with fundamentalism in general). I do view fundamentalist interpretations to be nonsense, they're simply not true.  I can get it from a cultural/etc. standpoint.
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:49:06 AM EST
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They definitely play a major role in Israel and the policies/what they get tied up in there. I support Israel as being a modern country, but this whole fundamentalist thing surrounding it is something else. This is something I hope all religions move away from. Even if the Orthodox are not knocking on doors or flying planes into buildings, they still play a huge outsized role in geo-politics. Have you spent any time in Israel? It is not a very religious place outside of tourist areas, Islamic areas and the insular orthodox communities. The secular majority, who also run most of the country, are usually at odds with the Orthodox. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 12:49:17 AM EST
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How about those of us that don't obsess one way or the other about anyone's race/religion unless:
A.) They are trying to kill me. B.) Tell me that I have somehow adversely affected their life due to being the race that I am. C.) Tell me that I owe them something based on the race that I am am verses the race they are. Period. The end. I sympathize with Israelis and respect their tenacity in defending themselves. But fuck anyone of any race that tells me that I owe them anything or have harmed them by not giving a fuck and dealing with my own shit. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 1:01:04 AM EST
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Posted: 9/27/2017 1:07:35 AM EST
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You hate success. Jews make up 0.2 percent of the world's population yet about 20 percent of the Nobel prize winners. I won't even go into other fields of endeavor. Compare that with the Arab or even Muslim world. The contrast will be stark. Why? Culture matters. Jews have a long tradition of the men being literate. Judaism has a focus on learning and questioning. Societal influences played a role as well. Restrictions on Jews as land owners, soldiers and other endeavors pushed them into finance and academics. That pushed them into urban areas. Where was literacy higher in the bad old days? In cities. Ghettos were in cities, not in the country. While Jews were enduring that and getting better, the Muslim world was on the top of its game. Slaves and booty, and slave booty kept them awash in luxury. They had some scientific advances but much of it overstated and taken from the work of Christians and Jews who were subservient Dhimmis in muslim society. But culture works for any group willing to change. It would be hard to find a more backwards, stupid and unlettered bunch than the Scots prior to the 1700s. Dirty, poor and unlettered. What changed? They embraced English and education. Once the culture changed to one where education was valued, one could argue that the Scots surpassed England in scientific and engineering achievement. They closed that gap in astonishingly fast time. The largest Arab country, Egypt, was granted 30 patents in 2015. Israel alone 3000 plus. Puerto Rico with a population of 3.5 mil vs Egypt's 93 million was granted 40. Iran, also checked in around 30. Another thing I once read. Spain supposedly has more books and articles translated into Spanish in one year than the entire muslim world has had into Arabic in it's entire history. Keep in mind that half of Muslims are illiterate. IQ matters but culture and hard work matter much more over the long haul. Islam is not a religion of learning, it's a religion based on ritual. That spreads into the culture. Culture does matter. In many Sunni Arab states, women are not allowed to attend school. And in states like Pakistan and Afghanistan, many students only learn to memorize verses from the Koran, not actually read. But not all Muslims fall into Sunni Arab culture. For example, in Iran, more women now attend college than men. Iran's literacy rate is 82%, much higher than the regional average of 62%. This rate increases to 97% among young adults (aged between 15 and 24) without any gender discrepancy. Source Also, Indonesia, which is largely removed from Arab culture, but practices Sunni Islam, has a literacy rate of 93%, with men at 96%. It's largely backwards Arab culture that is to blame, not Islam. The Koran actually promotes education, Arab culture is what discourages it, especially for women. |
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Posted: 9/27/2017 1:14:04 AM EST
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LoL No. But the third world is full Of Jew hate. Witness the UN Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Someone still thinks we're all Nazis... No. But the third world is full Of Jew hate. Witness the UN
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Posted: 9/27/2017 1:19:43 AM EST
[#46]
mead mixed with an IPA tonight. Makes kind of a mead-ale. Really good.
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Posted: 9/27/2017 1:42:12 AM EST
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Wrong thread, sorry
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Posted: 9/27/2017 1:44:15 AM EST
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Theres a difference betteeen hating and licking balls OP.
Ive known both good and bad Jews. Its crazy, its as if they are people too.
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Posted: 9/27/2017 2:02:13 AM EST
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For one, there is no such things as "utra orthodox." It is mostly a media term. You are either observant of the Torah or you are not. There is no level beyond that. It would be like being ultra male. Jokes aside, you are either a man or you are not. As for the orthodox Jews, they do not want anything from you are for you. Jews do not recruit. If you are not Jewish, you do not need to be. No one ever knocked on your door to talk to you about Judaism. So, there is no need for them (and they almost universally do not) get dogmatically defensive. They may tell you how they see it. Not how you need to see it. Seems like a pretty good way to go about it. How many Orthodox have you tried to have an honest religious conversation with? Besides being a pretty unusual thing for most people to ever do, most Orthodox would rather placate someone or get out of having such a conversation. With the no recruiting thing, there is no need to spread a truth either. So placation is often a good choice. For the person who deals with the Orthodox on a regular basis, yeah, that is probably annoying. An insular group with different beliefs and no desire to let outsiders in.....might give people a bad taste about it. 
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Posted: 9/27/2017 2:04:35 AM EST
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You say no recruiting, yet I know good people who are (cha)bad to the bone You are confusing the issue. Those people were already Jewish. Judaism is forbidden to proselytize (recruit) non Jews. |
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