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Posted: 10/28/2018 2:28:37 PM EST

Why the heck would you put a structure at the top that's got to be the easiest thing for a grappling hook to latch onto?

I'm hoping they're not that dumb and there's going to be some kind of cap on it.

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Posted: 10/28/2018 2:36:41 PM EST

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I mentioned this in the other Wall thread. So, what happened to the testing where they had contractors provide their proposed Wall sections and they settled on the one that some Special Forces troops could not scale. It's obviously not this goofy fence, that, as you stated and I noted in the other thread, is easily defeated by someone throwing a grappling hook with a rope attached.

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:37:35 PM EST

[#2]

walls wont fix anything so it doesnt matter

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:38:10 PM EST

[#3]

Hook hell, grappling bowling ball...

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:38:31 PM EST

[#4]

It was designed by Jose Grappling

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:39:57 PM EST

[#5]

Them Mexican ninjas would be a problem regardless of wall design

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:40:26 PM EST

[#6]

If it were my design that would be where the electrified cable goes.

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:40:30 PM EST

[#7]

I'd bet one in fifty could climb that fence with a rope and grappling hook.

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:41:17 PM EST

[#8]

If I was designing it, it would be hard wired to 600V.

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:42:29 PM EST

[#9]

Mine would be armed by the nights watch

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:44:14 PM EST

[#10]

The first thing it would be is 5 miles further south, on a piece of US-controlled territory that used to belong to Mexico.

Think of all of the military bases, federal prisons, bombing and artillery ranges, and the like we could put there...

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:44:15 PM EST

[#11]

Needs more MG turrets

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:44:39 PM EST

[#12]

That cost $1.6B

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:46:26 PM EST

[#13]

The hard part is not the grappling up... it's the rappelling down.

Still, the design shown is terrible.

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:47:20 PM EST

[#14]

Electrifying it would help

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:47:46 PM EST

[#15]

Grappling hook? Is batman a fucking Mexican?

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:47:56 PM EST

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Posted: 10/28/2018 2:48:31 PM EST

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Agreed. And it's not operating in a vacuum.

But even considering that a few able-bodied people could get rope ladders and such into place for others to climb, the wall will slow the firehose to a kitchen faucet. Especially if the wall is monitored/patrolled. A constructed way over isn't going to stay hidden long.

ICE and other measures can more easily handle more of the ones that can manage to get over it and spend more time looking for tunnels, vehicle smuggling, and other means to circumvent it.

90% effective is a hell of a lot better than zero.

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:51:00 PM EST

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I mentioned this in the other Wall thread. So, what happened to the testing where they had contractors provide their proposed Wall sections and they settled on the one that some Special Forces troops could not scale. It's obviously not this goofy fence, that, as you stated and I noted in the other thread, is easily defeated by someone throwing a grappling hook with a rope attached.

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I'm pretty sure that turned out to be a myth.

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:53:26 PM EST

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I completely agree
We need to de-incentivize the reason for coming in the first place
End chain migration
End birth right citizenship (although I'm not a fan of this I can see the merit)
End welfare for any able bodied persons
Heavy fines for folks that use illegal labor
Create a database for employers to check work eligibility and require them to use it to hire
Just some ideas

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:54:36 PM EST

[#20]

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I mentioned this in the other Wall thread. So, what happened to the testing where they had contractors provide their proposed Wall sections and they settled on the one that some Special Forces troops could not scale. It's obviously not this goofy fence, that, as you stated and I noted in the other thread, is easily defeated by someone throwing a grappling hook with a rope attached.

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You only see that in television, bad television.

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:55:53 PM EST

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I completely agree
We need to de-incentivize the reason for coming in the first place
End chain migration
End birth right citizenship (although I'm not a fan of this I can see the merit)
End welfare for any able bodied persons
Heavy fines for folks that use illegal labor
Create a database for employers to check work eligibility and require them to use it to hire
Just some ideas

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walls wont fix anything so it doesnt matter

I completely agree
We need to de-incentivize the reason for coming in the first place
End chain migration
End birth right citizenship (although I'm not a fan of this I can see the merit)
End welfare for any able bodied persons
Heavy fines for folks that use illegal labor
Create a database for employers to check work eligibility and require them to use it to hire
Just some ideas

The problem with these measures is that the second the Dems have control again, a stroke of a pen ends all of it. Tearing down a physical wall is going to be much harder to do without larger public backlash.

Posted: 10/28/2018 2:56:25 PM EST

[#22]

Two of those a hundred yards apart would work.

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:01:04 PM EST

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Is that you, Beto?

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:01:56 PM EST

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I completely agree
We need to de-incentivize the reason for coming in the first place
End chain migration
End birth right citizenship (although I'm not a fan of this I can see the merit)
End welfare for any able bodied persons
Heavy fines for folks that use illegal labor
Create a database for employers to check work eligibility and require them to use it to hire
Just some ideas

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walls wont fix anything so it doesnt matter

I completely agree
We need to de-incentivize the reason for coming in the first place
End chain migration
End birth right citizenship (although I'm not a fan of this I can see the merit)
End welfare for any able bodied persons
Heavy fines for folks that use illegal labor
Create a database for employers to check work eligibility and require them to use it to hire
Just some ideas

We need to de-incentivize AND build the wall. If you only de-incentivize, then the next time the Dims are in the driver's seat they will re-incentivize... but that wall will still be there.

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:03:21 PM EST

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Posted: 10/28/2018 3:03:32 PM EST

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So we are building two walls now?

Well if we have that kind of money why not just dig a deeper trench instead of a wall. Fill trench with lions like the zoo. Or gators. Or Burmese pythons. Or all of the above.

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:06:18 PM EST

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So we are building two walls now?

Well if we have that kind of money why not just dig a deeper trench instead of a wall. Fill trench with lions like the zoo. Or gators. Or Burmese pythons. Or all of the above.

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Two of those a hundred yards apart would work.

So we are building two walls now?

Well if we have that kind of money why not just dig a deeper trench instead of a wall. Fill trench with lions like the zoo. Or gators. Or Burmese pythons. Or all of the above.

Effective security is layered.

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:07:30 PM EST

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You better tell Israel before it's too late!

Damn! Too late!

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:13:35 PM EST

[#29]

I've always wondered how many miles of border wall we could construct with the equivalent amount of Alaska and Texas barriers used in base construction in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:13:57 PM EST

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can we put landmines between the walls?
because I really feel we should use landmines and maybe razor wire too

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:23:25 PM EST

[#31]

Those uprights are iron, right?

I'm sure they have cutting torches in Mexico.

Just cut a 3'- 4' length out of one or even two of the uprights and they could march a whole
caravan through there before anyone knew what was going on.

Cut an even bigger section out and they could drive through.

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:32:08 PM EST

[#32]

Israel has only a few sections of the concrete fortress walls, only in key areas where preventing line of sight to rifle fire outweighs the cost, and limiting their ability to see out except for the towers.

Everywhere else on earth that has a long border to protect generally uses multiple layers, much less expensive double or triple fencing with razor wire, a patrol road between them, and puts the cost savings towards patrols and sensors.

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:36:33 PM EST

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Is that you, Beto?

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It must be him.
Yeah walls, fences, locks on doors - screw it all. A wall won't work? You're full of shit but ok. Be sure and leave your doors unlocked - locks don't work either.

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:42:03 PM EST

[#34]

Hire an East German

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:42:31 PM EST

[#35]

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I mentioned this in the other Wall thread. So, what happened to the testing where they had contractors provide their proposed Wall sections and they settled on the one that some Special Forces troops could not scale. It's obviously not this goofy fence, that, as you stated and I noted in the other thread, is easily defeated by someone throwing a grappling hook with a rope attached.

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Insufficient motivation.

Offer them 10x their salary and support of a massive political party that will seek to protect them from all wrongdoing they engage in on the other side, as well as numerous states where they will be released in spite of crimes committed and shielded from arrest, conviction, and punishment based on having illegally scaled the wall.

Posted: 10/28/2018 3:42:53 PM EST

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Those uprights are iron, right?

I'm sure they have cutting torches in Mexico.

Just cut a 3'- 4' length out of one or even two of the uprights and they could march a whole
caravan through there before anyone knew what was going on.

Cut an even bigger section out and they could drive through.

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Sensors that alert to cut uprights?

Posted: 10/28/2018 4:26:20 PM EST

[#37]

Don't forget the moat. We need it for the sharks with frickin' laser beams on their heads.

Posted: 10/28/2018 7:22:30 PM EST

[#38]

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Posted: 10/28/2018 7:25:54 PM EST

[#39]

All a waste of time, talk and money. If you turn off the magnets here (free healthcare, education, welfare etc...) and heavily penalize violators, no physical wall is needed.

Posted: 10/28/2018 7:27:43 PM EST

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I use to live in a house with walls like that around it.

It was in Africa though.

Posted: 10/28/2018 7:31:59 PM EST

[#41]

I always imagined a concrete wall (actually two) that were in a "V" shape and 35 to 40 ft high.

In the middle of the "V" are 10 ft tall pointed iron bars.

Also the "V" has an opposing face which would be hard to climb. If you did make it to the top, you'd have to span the 25 ft to the top of the other side of the "V" or fall in the middle and be speared by the sharpened iron bars below.

Posted: 10/28/2018 7:36:18 PM EST

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I completely agree
We need to de-incentivize the reason for coming in the first place
End chain migration
End birth right citizenship (although I'm not a fan of this I can see the merit)
End welfare for any able bodied persons
Heavy fines for folks that use illegal labor
Create a database for employers to check work eligibility and require them to use it to hire
Just some ideas

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HEAR ! HEAR !

Posted: 10/28/2018 7:42:56 PM EST

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I use to live in a house with walls like that around it.

It was in Africa though.

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I've seen that in New Orleans just off the French Quarter.

Posted: 10/28/2018 7:43:42 PM EST

[#44]

Need C&C style tesla coils

Posted: 10/28/2018 7:44:49 PM EST

[#45]

Simple. 35' tall, concrete with the cross section of the top looking like an inverted light bulb. Nothing to hook to and a reverse slope at the top.

Posted: 10/28/2018 7:50:44 PM EST

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I'd bet one in fifty could climb that fence with a rope and grappling hook.

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This. Also the fence isn't going right on the border. We will have access to both sides so if someone starts fucking around with a ladder or a grappling hook they can be arrested because they have already entered the country illegally. Not to mention your average person would have trouble throwing a grappling hook with a rope capable of supporting a human 30 feet in the air.

Posted: 10/28/2018 7:56:53 PM EST

[#47]

Needs a lot of sharp angle cut rebar welded at odd pointy angles around the top, leave a few skeletons impaled in a few places as a warning.

Posted: 10/28/2018 7:58:54 PM EST

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All a waste of time, talk and money. If you turn off the magnets here (free healthcare, education, welfare etc...) and heavily penalize violators, no physical wall is needed.

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As has been mentioned how long do you think that stuff will be turned off? Do you really expect any of that to survive the next Democrat administration or do you think that somehow the democrats will never win another election?

Posted: 10/28/2018 8:03:53 PM EST

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Needs a lot of sharp angle cut rebar welded at odd pointy angles around the top, leave a few skeletons impaled in a few places as a warning.
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I'll second that, but add in pike poles with impaled heads/skulls with rotting flesh for the ravens and vultures to pick at.

Nothing says 'Cross these borders at ye own peril' better than impaled heads/skulls with rotting flesh for the ravens and vultures to pick at.

Maybe even put sombreros on some of them for added visual effect.

Posted: 10/28/2018 8:06:32 PM EST

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All a waste of time, talk and money. If you turn off the magnets here (free healthcare, education, welfare etc...) and heavily penalize violators, no physical wall is needed.

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Right up until the next time the Dims are in control and they turn the magnets back on... Turn off the magnets AND build the damn wall.

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