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We sold weapons to Iran during Iran-Contra. Iraq watched CNN, got pissed, and decided to get a little payback. All they needed was a Navy that wasn't in a war mindsight to be successful.
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Was not aware of this... - BG Not aware of this? It happened 23 years ago. |
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You guys need to read Inside The Danger Zone published by the Naval Institute Press. There was a whole war going on that the Navy was fighting in the Persian Gulf.
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Sad stuff , it amazes me that this could happen with the best navy in the world.
It's also interesting to me that another exocet hit a ship during wartime and failed to detonate. |
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Quoted: THIS WEEK IN HISTORY On May 17, 1987 , an Iraqi F-1 Mirage fighter launched two Iraqi Exocet anti-ship cruise missiles into the frigate Stark in the Persian Gulf. http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/us_navy_pages/frigates/photos/stark_ffg31/uss_stark_ffg31_14.jpg http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_directory/us_navy_pages/frigates/photos/stark_ffg31/uss_stark_ffg31_16.jpg The attack killed 37 sailors and wounded 21 others, according to Naval History and Heritage Command. The tactical action officer and watchstanders were tracking the aircraft, but they assumed the plane would pose no threat, according to the investigation report. The commanding officer was aware of the aircraft, but he retired to his cabin. When the aircraft began its attack run, no one was manning the fire control radar or Close-in Weapons System. The automatic detector tracking system for the air search radar system was not working. The first missile went through the port-side hull, but it failed to detonate. The second came in about the same point and exploded in crew quarters. The Iraqi aircraft was in a blind spot of the fire control system, and the Stark was not able to maneuver itself in time to fire any weapons. Iraq apologized, claiming “pilot error,” according to Naval History and Heritage Command. The ship was in international waters, not inside the Iran-Iraq war zone. The Stark was repaired at a cost of $142 million. A board of inquiry relieved the captain of command and recommended him and the tactical action officer for court-martial. Both received nonjudi cial punishment and letters of repri mand and then took early retirement. The executive officer was detached for cause and received a letter of admonition. ''When young Americans like those of USS Stark die in far off seas, we learn again how right President Kennedy was when he spoke of the sacrifices of a hard and bitter peace, and our own long twilight struggle." -President Ronald Reagan May 22, 1987 Bolduc, Doran H. Seaman Brown, Braddi O. Boatswain's Mate 1st Class Calkins, Jeffry L. Fire Control Technician 3rd Class Caouette, Mark R. Seaman Ciletta Jr., John A. Seaman Clinefelter, Brian M. Seaman Recruit Daniels, Antonio A. Operations Specialist 3rd Class DeAngelis, Christopher Engineering Technician 3rd Class Dunlap, James S. Interior Communications Electrician 3rd Class Erwin, Steven T. Sonar Technician Surface (SN) Farr, Jerri B. Radioman 2nd Class Foster, Vernon T. Quartermaster (CS) Grissett, Dexter D. Radioman (SA) Hansen, William R. Fire Control Technician 3rd Class Homicki, Daniel Gunner's Mate Guns 3rd Class Janusik Jr., Kenneth D. Operations Specialist (SN) Kendall, Steven E. Operations Specialist 3rd Class Kiser, Stephen Electrician's Mate (CS) Lockett, Ronnie G. Signalman 1st Class MacMullen, Thomas J. Gunner's Mate Missiles 1st Class Moller, Charles T. Electronic Warfare Technician 3rd Class Phelps, Jeffrei L. Seaman Apprentice Pierce, Randy E. Data Systems Technician 1st Class Plonsky, James Gunner's Mate 3rd Class Quick, Kelly R. Engineering Technician 3rd Class Ryals, Earl P. Signalman (SN) Shippee, Robert L. Fire Control Technician (CS) Sibley, Jeffrey C. Signalman (SA) Stephens, Lee Operations Specialist 3rd Class Stevens, James R. Boatswain's Mate 2nd Class Supple, Martin J. Engineering Technician 3rd Class Tweady, Gregory L. Engineering Technician 1st Class Ulmer, Vincent L. Seaman Watson, Joseph P. Electronic Warfare Technician 3rd Class Weaver II, Wayne R. Engineering Technician 3rd Class Weldon, Terrance Operations Specialist (SN) Wilson, Lloyd A. Interior Communications Electrician 2nd Class Kelly was a shipmate of mine in bootcamp. Super nice guy. I took the photo below a few weeks before the Stark was hit. She's the FFG immediately in front of USS Coontz. |
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Sad stuff , it amazes me that this could happen with the best navy in the world. It's also interesting to me that another exocet hit a ship during wartime and failed to detonate. Exocet has only detonated in war time 50% of the time. |
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Quoted: Sad stuff , it amazes me that this could happen with the best navy in the world. It's also interesting to me that another exocet hit a ship during wartime and failed to detonate. Its French, what do you expect? |
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Had never heard of this before now. Disgusting. I was 7 years old when it happened and I remember it, where the hell where ya'll? |
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I figured this would be about the Israeli attack on the intelligence ship. Like others, I've never heard of an Iraqi attack on one of our frigates, either.
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Quoted: Quoted: Was not aware of this... - BG Quoted: Had never heard of this before now. Disgusting. I was 7 years old when it happened and I remember it, where the hell where ya'll? May 17, 1987... So I was 1 year and 4 weeks old. |
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How old are you guys? I was 11 when it happened. I was 12 when the Vincennes shot down the Iranian Airbus. I was 12 when the USS Samuel B. Roberts struck a mine.
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You guys need to read Inside The Danger Zone published by the Naval Institute Press. There was a whole war going on that the Navy was fighting in the Persian Gulf. Thanks, added to the list. ETA: when checking amazon, I saw this one thought it looked interesting. http://www.amazon.com/Destroyer-Captain-Lessons-First-Command/dp/1591148499/ref=pd_sim_b_3 Granted, I'm a merchant vessel Master, but I'm always looking for things that might have maritime leadership/crew management tips. read it? if so, what do you think? |
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You guys need to read Inside The Danger Zone published by the Naval Institute Press. There was a whole war going on that the Navy was fighting in the Persian Gulf. Thanks, added to the list. I think you'll enjoy it. The discussion of the 160th SOAR's role and how they forward based SEAL teams is worth the price. |
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Adm. Stravidis is one hell of an officer and a writer. I'd also look for the book Command At Sea.
I think I'm going to buy the Tanker War book on Amazon. |
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Quoted: You guys need to read Inside The Danger Zone published by the Naval Institute Press. There was a whole war going on that the Navy was fighting in the Persian Gulf. Very good read and yes, there was a whole lotta shit going on in the PG in the 1980s. It was a bit hot for a while. Iran, Iraq, US, and some special ops fun. From Amazon.com: Inside the Danger Zone is a history of U.S. military involvement in the Persian Gulf in 1987 and 1988––a time of burning ships, air strikes, and secret missions––the prelude to the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait, Desert Storm, and the most recent U.S. invasion of Iraq. Based largely on first-hand accounts from veterans of that era, it is an up-close, detailed report from the front lines of a guerrilla war at sea. Many of the dramatic incidents of this period are told in depth, with new information and details never before seen in print. |
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Might want to change the forum topic. Why? It seems there are people who are unaware of the event and might think it breaking news. Not me, but others. |
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I am suprised at the number of members that did not know about this.
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Sad stuff , it amazes me that this could happen with the best navy in the world. It's also interesting to me that another exocet hit a ship during wartime and failed to detonate. Exocet has only detonated in war time 50% of the time. It did a helluva job on the HMS Sheffield though. http://i40.tinypic.com/xnrsrd.jpg Poor smoke control in the Sheffield's case. There were lessons there that should have been learned and applied before Stark. Some were, but most were not. It's interesting to note that the unexploded Exocet that hit Stark actually caused more damage than the exploded Exocet. The fires caused by fuel spread, were fought, reflashed, were fought again. Then stability was compromised by all the firefighting water. It was a mess, mostly because it didn't explode. Edited for clarity. |
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How old are you guys? I was 11 when it happened. I was 12 when the Vincennes shot down the Iranian Airbus. I was 12 when the USS Samuel B. Roberts struck a mine. I remember my Dad watching the USS Pueblo hearings and me wondering what it was all about. I was 5 years old. |
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Sadly, history has a way of repeating it's self.
I hope our flat tops are not the next victim. |
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A lot of people were dismayed that they didn't have the CIWS system up. The command on that ship dropped the ball.
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Never heard of it.
I also never heard of the USS Liberty incident until someone here mentioned it a couple years back. |
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Sad stuff , it amazes me that this could happen with the best navy in the world. It's also interesting to me that another exocet hit a ship during wartime and failed to detonate. Exocet has only detonated in war time 50% of the time. It did a helluva job on the HMS Sheffield though. http://i40.tinypic.com/xnrsrd.jpg Poor smoke control. There were lessons there that should have been learned and applied before Stark. Some were, but most were not. It's interesting to note that the unexploded Exocet actually caused more damage than the exploded Exocet. The fires caused by fuel spread, were fought, reflashed, were fought again. Then stability was compromised by all the firefighting water. It was a mess, mostly because it didn't explode. The Brits lost a few ships in that Conflict - and many damaged. You wouldn't think a second world country like Argentina could infilict such damage on a force like the Royal Navy...I can't help but think the US would have unleashed full carrier strikes and decimated the Argentine capabilty had it been us instead of them fighting. Six vessels sunk all told. Saturday 1st May
HMS Alacrity - slightly damaged by bomb near misses HMS Arrow - slightly damaged by cannon fire HMS Glamorgan - slightly damaged by bomb near misses, all off Stanley by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. Tuesday 4th May HMS SHEFFIELD - mortally damaged south east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and sank in tow on Monday 10th May. Wednesday 12th May HMS Glasgow - moderately damaged off Stanley by unexploded bomb (1) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Bomb passed through hull but damage took some days to repair and she shortly returned to UK. Friday 21st May HMS Antrim - seriously damaged in Falkland Sound outside San Carlos Water by unexploded bomb (2) dropped by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. UXB removed but damage took some days to repair. HMS Broadsword - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. HMS Argonaut - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by rockets and cannon fire from Aermacchi MB.339A of CANA 1 Esc, and then seriously damaged by two unexploded bombs (3/4) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Removing the UXB's and carrying out repairs took a number of days and although declared operational, she soon sailed for the UK. HMS Brilliant - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. (Different attack from "Broadsword") HMS ARDENT - badly damaged in Grantham Sound by bombs - hits, UXB's (5+) and near misses - dropped by Daggers of Grupo 6, then mortally damaged by bombs from A-4Q Skyhawks of CANA 3 Esc off North West Island. Sank the following evening. Sunday 23rd May HMS ANTELOPE - damaged in San Carlos Water by two unexploded bombs (6/7) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5. One of the bombs exploded that evening while being defused and she caught fire and sank next day. Monday 24th May RFA Sir Galahad - damaged by unexploded bomb (8) and out of action for some days, RFA Sir Lancelot - damaged by unexploded bomb (9) and not fully operational for almost three weeks, RFA Sir Bedivere - slightly damaged by glancing bomb, all in San Carlos Water probably by A-4C Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 4. Tuesday 25th May HMS Broadsword - damaged north of Pebble Island by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5 bouncing up through her stern and out again to land in the sea. HMS COVENTRY - sunk north of Pebble Island in same attack by three bombs. ATLANTIC CONVEYOR - mortally damaged north east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and later sank in tow. Saturday 29th May British Wye - hit north of South Georgia by bomb dropped by C-130 Hercules of FAA Grupo 1 which bounced into the sea without exploding Tuesday 8th June HMS Plymouth - damaged in Falkland Sound off San Carlos Water by four unexploded bombs (10-13) from Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. RFA SIR GALAHAD - mortally damaged off Fitzroy by bombs from A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5 and burnt out. Later in June towed out to sea and sunk as a war grave. RFA Sir Tristram - badly damaged off Fitzroy in same attack and abandoned, but later returned to UK and repaired. LCU F4, HMS Fearless - sunk in Choiseul Sound by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5. Saturday 12th June HMS Glamorgan - damaged off Stanley by land-based Exocet missile. Source |
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You guys need to read Inside The Danger Zone published by the Naval Institute Press. There was a whole war going on that the Navy was fighting in the Persian Gulf. Wasn't that written by Kenny Loggins? |
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Sad stuff , it amazes me that this could happen with the best navy in the world. It's also interesting to me that another exocet hit a ship during wartime and failed to detonate. Exocet has only detonated in war time 50% of the time. It did a helluva job on the HMS Sheffield though. http://i40.tinypic.com/xnrsrd.jpg Poor smoke control. There were lessons there that should have been learned and applied before Stark. Some were, but most were not. It's interesting to note that the unexploded Exocet actually caused more damage than the exploded Exocet. The fires caused by fuel spread, were fought, reflashed, were fought again. Then stability was compromised by all the firefighting water. It was a mess, mostly because it didn't explode. The Brits lost a few ships in that Conflict - and many damaged. You wouldn't think a second world country like Argentina could infilict such damage on a force like the Royal Navy...I can't help but think the US would have unleashed full carrier strikes and decimated the Argentine capabilty had it been us instead of them fighting. Six vessels sunk all told. Saturday 1st May
HMS Alacrity - slightly damaged by bomb near misses HMS Arrow - slightly damaged by cannon fire HMS Glamorgan - slightly damaged by bomb near misses, all off Stanley by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. Tuesday 4th May HMS SHEFFIELD - mortally damaged south east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and sank in tow on Monday 10th May. Wednesday 12th May HMS Glasgow - moderately damaged off Stanley by unexploded bomb (1) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Bomb passed through hull but damage took some days to repair and she shortly returned to UK. Friday 21st May HMS Antrim - seriously damaged in Falkland Sound outside San Carlos Water by unexploded bomb (2) dropped by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. UXB removed but damage took some days to repair. HMS Broadsword - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. HMS Argonaut - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by rockets and cannon fire from Aermacchi MB.339A of CANA 1 Esc, and then seriously damaged by two unexploded bombs (3/4) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Removing the UXB's and carrying out repairs took a number of days and although declared operational, she soon sailed for the UK. HMS Brilliant - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. (Different attack from "Broadsword") HMS ARDENT - badly damaged in Grantham Sound by bombs - hits, UXB's (5+) and near misses - dropped by Daggers of Grupo 6, then mortally damaged by bombs from A-4Q Skyhawks of CANA 3 Esc off North West Island. Sank the following evening. Sunday 23rd May HMS ANTELOPE - damaged in San Carlos Water by two unexploded bombs (6/7) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5. One of the bombs exploded that evening while being defused and she caught fire and sank next day. Monday 24th May RFA Sir Galahad - damaged by unexploded bomb (8) and out of action for some days, RFA Sir Lancelot - damaged by unexploded bomb (9) and not fully operational for almost three weeks, RFA Sir Bedivere - slightly damaged by glancing bomb, all in San Carlos Water probably by A-4C Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 4. Tuesday 25th May HMS Broadsword - damaged north of Pebble Island by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5 bouncing up through her stern and out again to land in the sea. HMS COVENTRY - sunk north of Pebble Island in same attack by three bombs. ATLANTIC CONVEYOR - mortally damaged north east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and later sank in tow. Saturday 29th May British Wye - hit north of South Georgia by bomb dropped by C-130 Hercules of FAA Grupo 1 which bounced into the sea without exploding Tuesday 8th June HMS Plymouth - damaged in Falkland Sound off San Carlos Water by four unexploded bombs (10-13) from Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. RFA SIR GALAHAD - mortally damaged off Fitzroy by bombs from A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5 and burnt out. Later in June towed out to sea and sunk as a war grave. RFA Sir Tristram - badly damaged off Fitzroy in same attack and abandoned, but later returned to UK and repaired. LCU F4, HMS Fearless - sunk in Choiseul Sound by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5. Saturday 12th June HMS Glamorgan - damaged off Stanley by land-based Exocet missile. Source Only two sunk by Exocet, and another damaged. |
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Sadly, history has a way of repeating it's self. I hope our flat tops are not the next victim. Probably be an LCS. |
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Sadly, history has a way of repeating it's self. I hope our flat tops are not the next victim. Probably be an LCS. Speaking of, just recently I got to see LCS-2 up close. After having viewed both options, I have to vote for None of the Above. |
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I figured this would be about the Israeli attack on the intelligence ship. Like others, I've never heard of an Iraqi attack on one of our frigates, either. This is what I was expecting to. A deliberate attack by Israel on one of our Naval Vessels. No Action was taken. |
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I thought this happened today... I knew of this event from when I was a kid, but when I saw the title I thought "oh shit, not again!" |
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Sad stuff , it amazes me that this could happen with the best navy in the world. It's also interesting to me that another exocet hit a ship during wartime and failed to detonate. Exocet has only detonated in war time 50% of the time. It did a helluva job on the HMS Sheffield though. http://i40.tinypic.com/xnrsrd.jpg Poor smoke control. There were lessons there that should have been learned and applied before Stark. Some were, but most were not. It's interesting to note that the unexploded Exocet actually caused more damage than the exploded Exocet. The fires caused by fuel spread, were fought, reflashed, were fought again. Then stability was compromised by all the firefighting water. It was a mess, mostly because it didn't explode. The Brits lost a few ships in that Conflict - and many damaged. You wouldn't think a second world country like Argentina could infilict such damage on a force like the Royal Navy...I can't help but think the US would have unleashed full carrier strikes and decimated the Argentine capabilty had it been us instead of them fighting. Six vessels sunk all told. Saturday 1st May
HMS Alacrity - slightly damaged by bomb near misses HMS Arrow - slightly damaged by cannon fire HMS Glamorgan - slightly damaged by bomb near misses, all off Stanley by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. Tuesday 4th May HMS SHEFFIELD - mortally damaged south east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and sank in tow on Monday 10th May. Wednesday 12th May HMS Glasgow - moderately damaged off Stanley by unexploded bomb (1) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Bomb passed through hull but damage took some days to repair and she shortly returned to UK. Friday 21st May HMS Antrim - seriously damaged in Falkland Sound outside San Carlos Water by unexploded bomb (2) dropped by Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. UXB removed but damage took some days to repair. HMS Broadsword - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. HMS Argonaut - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by rockets and cannon fire from Aermacchi MB.339A of CANA 1 Esc, and then seriously damaged by two unexploded bombs (3/4) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 5. Removing the UXB's and carrying out repairs took a number of days and although declared operational, she soon sailed for the UK. HMS Brilliant - slightly damaged outside San Carlos Water by cannon fire from Daggers of Grupo 6. (Different attack from "Broadsword") HMS ARDENT - badly damaged in Grantham Sound by bombs - hits, UXB's (5+) and near misses - dropped by Daggers of Grupo 6, then mortally damaged by bombs from A-4Q Skyhawks of CANA 3 Esc off North West Island. Sank the following evening. Sunday 23rd May HMS ANTELOPE - damaged in San Carlos Water by two unexploded bombs (6/7) dropped by A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5. One of the bombs exploded that evening while being defused and she caught fire and sank next day. Monday 24th May RFA Sir Galahad - damaged by unexploded bomb (8) and out of action for some days, RFA Sir Lancelot - damaged by unexploded bomb (9) and not fully operational for almost three weeks, RFA Sir Bedivere - slightly damaged by glancing bomb, all in San Carlos Water probably by A-4C Skyhawks of FAA Grupo 4. Tuesday 25th May HMS Broadsword - damaged north of Pebble Island by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5 bouncing up through her stern and out again to land in the sea. HMS COVENTRY - sunk north of Pebble Island in same attack by three bombs. ATLANTIC CONVEYOR - mortally damaged north east of Falklands by Exocet missile fired by Super Etendard of CANA 2 Esc. Burnt out and later sank in tow. Saturday 29th May British Wye - hit north of South Georgia by bomb dropped by C-130 Hercules of FAA Grupo 1 which bounced into the sea without exploding Tuesday 8th June HMS Plymouth - damaged in Falkland Sound off San Carlos Water by four unexploded bombs (10-13) from Daggers of FAA Grupo 6. RFA SIR GALAHAD - mortally damaged off Fitzroy by bombs from A-4B Skyhawks of Grupo 5 and burnt out. Later in June towed out to sea and sunk as a war grave. RFA Sir Tristram - badly damaged off Fitzroy in same attack and abandoned, but later returned to UK and repaired. LCU F4, HMS Fearless - sunk in Choiseul Sound by bomb from A-4B Skyhawk of Grupo 5. Saturday 12th June HMS Glamorgan - damaged off Stanley by land-based Exocet missile. Source Only two sunk by Exocet, and another damaged. I know, I was heading off topic. Just shockin how much damage the Brits took in that conflict. |
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OHPs were pretty much useless as warships by the mid 1980s. Actually, they're still very useful. The CORT upgrade to Mk92 kept the ship viable, and would still be viable even today if it weren't for the USN dumping the SM-2. Even my non-CORT FFG outshot Aegis on the missile range. It pays to be able to point your missile at the target. It's sonar is uniquely suited for the SSK threat of today. The Mk75 gun will eat FAC/FIAC alive. The only thing the FFG-7 really needs today is a second boat davit, like the Aussie FFGs, and an 8 cell VLS with ESSM packed in. Put STIR back on, and you're good to go. |
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Seriously? You guys have never heard of this? I was a fighter pilot in the USAF on that date and I have no memory of hearing about this. |
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How old are you guys? I was 11 when it happened. I was 12 when the Vincennes shot down the Iranian Airbus. I was 12 when the USS Samuel B. Roberts struck a mine. I was in the USCGR in Detroit when it happened. We all kicked in for a memorial plaque at the Mariner's Church of Detroit. IIRC Iran and Iraq were cranking missiles into oil tankers left and right. Iraq admitted doing it ASAP and said it was an accident. The fact that the ship wasn't online with all it's weapons was kind of the hallmark of the Reagan era military. It really bit us in the ass during the Beirut Lebanon bombing when our sentries were armed with unloaded rifles. Flame on, but it was true. God forbid we shoot some asshole, Better that 37 Sailors or 246 Marines die than someone shoot some "innocent" attacker. |
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How old are you guys? I was 11 when it happened. I was 12 when the Vincennes shot down the Iranian Airbus. I was 12 when the USS Samuel B. Roberts struck a mine. Jeez I thought you were older. So, it wasn't a Iraqi Falcon(bizjet) jet that shot the missiles? |
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I never heard if this either i was 4 when it happened though so that might have something to do with it.
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I served with the USS Stark's TAO, Basil Moncrief, when he was onboard USS Waddell (DDG-24). He was an aggressive Naval Officer. The Stark incident ended his career. ROE and the limitations of the FFG-7 class ships were a factor. RIP to the lost crew members.
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Might want to change the forum topic. Why? It seems there are people who are unaware of the event and might think it breaking news. Not me, but others. That's what I thought at first, I was like WTF didn't hear anything on the news. I remember when that happened. |
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