User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:20:08 PM EST
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Like saying it's none of our business, let the two corrupt countries on the other side of the world fight without the US getting involved and making it worse while dragging it out for decades costing $trillions while defense contractors get rich like we have done every time in the last half of a century? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So it would be something like, "Say you support Ukraine or you're a Russian sympathizer" Like many here keep repeating? Nah, more like "if every comment you make regarding Russia/Ukraine mirrors everthing Russian propagandists say, you're a Russian sympathizer"... Like saying it's none of our business, let the two corrupt countries on the other side of the world fight without the US getting involved and making it worse while dragging it out for decades costing $trillions while defense contractors get rich like we have done every time in the last half of a century? If you think global events don’t affect us if we stay in an isolationist bubble, or that Russia acquiring territory from its neighbors doesn’t pose a threat, you’re not much for history (or reality)…. Russian info sources will tell you stuff like that, and they’d never lie, now would they…. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:21:30 PM EST
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Can you quote 3 of them? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: This whole forum is full of dudes fighting to get in line to gargle Putin's balls. Can you quote 3 of them? Why are you trying to troll people into calling others out to get them banned? |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:23:25 PM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wait. I don't want to be accused of putting words into your mouth. So I'll ask you straight out: Is a war of self defense morally justifiable? Yes or no. Because this potentially raises some other questions I'd like to ask you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I had that class. Then I went to Iraq...twice. Same with Afghanistan. Theory met reality and reality wasn't like the books and powerpoints. It smelled a lot worse too and justice wasn't what decided who lived and died. War sounds awesome when you are 25. I thought it was the best thing...ever. Looking back, it was pointless and full of needless human suffering that would not have happened if we had not been there. It was not just for the literal truckloads of dead people that are still dead, no matter how much pretty paper we wrap our involvement in. War and just are not words that go together. Not in reality. Justice and truth are the first real casualties of war. Wait. I don't want to be accused of putting words into your mouth. So I'll ask you straight out: Is a war of self defense morally justifiable? Yes or no. Because this potentially raises some other questions I'd like to ask you. Ukraine has every right to defend itself. That has NOTHING to do with the US. Don’t conflate their self defense with some mythical US responsibility to jump into that mess. The National interest of the US is not served by involving itself in this issue. If we applied that standard, we would be in perpetual war. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:24:05 PM EST
[#4]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your source is a former legislator from a socialist party who is under indictment for treason and corruption, fled to Spain before the invasion he supported and has called for his nation to be attacked by Russia with nuclear weapons. You should be ashamed of yourself.  I just liked the Pinocchio caricature. That Hitler story had some valid points btw. Not everything is all good or all bad. Not every fight is ours. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:24:23 PM EST
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The US knowingly firebombed non military targets full of civilians and admitted it was a war crime that they would be executed for if they lost the war. Who is blind? That happened. It repeated in Korea and VN on varying scales. There is no morality to it. It’s an illusion to market war to idealistic idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL, "Unjust" according to whom? We...as in the US Military...knowingly and intentionally firebombed entire cities full of civilians and we did it on purpose, multiple times. There is no morality in war. None. Morality is the illusion sold to simpletons who want a good vs evil feeling to justify the horrible things that are done as if it gives the deaths purpose and allows the people to not have to answer hard questions about how horrible their actions truly were. It is imbecilic to moralize war. It has no morality. It has winners and losers. All else is just to feel better about doing what you did to win. Bullshit. There's a big difference between inevitable deaths in pursuit of military advantage and raping babies/blasting bystanders for kicks. If you can't tell the difference you're morally blind. The US knowingly firebombed non military targets full of civilians and admitted it was a war crime that they would be executed for if they lost the war. Who is blind? That happened. It repeated in Korea and VN on varying scales. There is no morality to it. It’s an illusion to market war to idealistic idiots. The just war concept is a means for people who need to reconcile the nature of humans. While the Melian dialogue is better explanation. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:25:23 PM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why are you trying to troll people into calling others out to get them banned? Yeah, but, though I was born at night, it wasn't last night. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:29:17 PM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine has every right to defend itself. That has NOTHING to do with the US. Don’t conflate their self defense with some mythical US responsibility to jump into that mess. The National interest of the US is not served by involving itself in this issue. If we applied that standard, we would be in perpetual war. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I had that class. Then I went to Iraq...twice. Same with Afghanistan. Theory met reality and reality wasn't like the books and powerpoints. It smelled a lot worse too and justice wasn't what decided who lived and died. War sounds awesome when you are 25. I thought it was the best thing...ever. Looking back, it was pointless and full of needless human suffering that would not have happened if we had not been there. It was not just for the literal truckloads of dead people that are still dead, no matter how much pretty paper we wrap our involvement in. War and just are not words that go together. Not in reality. Justice and truth are the first real casualties of war. Wait. I don't want to be accused of putting words into your mouth. So I'll ask you straight out: Is a war of self defense morally justifiable? Yes or no. Because this potentially raises some other questions I'd like to ask you. Ukraine has every right to defend itself. That has NOTHING to do with the US. Don’t conflate their self defense with some mythical US responsibility to jump into that mess. The National interest of the US is not served by involving itself in this issue. If we applied that standard, we would be in perpetual war. The US has been effectively in perpetual war against communism and its successors since 1945. Now the US has a chance to take one of its long term enemies off the table, at basically no human cost to the US, and now suddenly it's a bad thing? Do you ever stop to think about who benefits from letting Russia off easy, or question who profits from pushing that message? It isn't the US as far as I can see... |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:32:59 PM EST
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you think global events don’t affect us if we stay in an isolationist bubble, or that Russia acquiring territory from its neighbors doesn’t pose a threat, you’re not much for history (or reality)…. Russian info sources will tell you stuff like that, and they’d never lie, now would they…. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So it would be something like, "Say you support Ukraine or you're a Russian sympathizer" Like many here keep repeating? Nah, more like "if every comment you make regarding Russia/Ukraine mirrors everthing Russian propagandists say, you're a Russian sympathizer"... Like saying it's none of our business, let the two corrupt countries on the other side of the world fight without the US getting involved and making it worse while dragging it out for decades costing $trillions while defense contractors get rich like we have done every time in the last half of a century? If you think global events don’t affect us if we stay in an isolationist bubble, or that Russia acquiring territory from its neighbors doesn’t pose a threat, you’re not much for history (or reality)…. Russian info sources will tell you stuff like that, and they’d never lie, now would they…. If Russia somehow magically conquered all of Ukraine, defeated a world class insurgency, erased the memory of everyone living there, and made it part of Russia, how would life change for an American flipping burgers at your local McDonalds? It wouldn’t. Not one thing in his life would change. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:33:14 PM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you think global events don’t affect us if we stay in an isolationist bubble, or that Russia acquiring territory from its neighbors doesn’t pose a threat, you’re not much for history (or reality)…. Russian info sources will tell you stuff like that, and they’d never lie, now would they…. Again, modern history shows that every time the US got involved in a foreign war over the last half of a century it has ended badly. Can you name one that did not end badly? If Russia defeats the Ukrain and Zolinsky is killed, or flee's what is your next move? Are you going to call for an invasion of what was Ukraine? Will you just send money to Zolinskey wherever he went? |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:36:18 PM EST
[#10]
Rooting for Russia in sports or........? ZFG
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:37:50 PM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not unpopular at all. I have MANY Russian friends and family. If I had it my way, Russians would go home and no more of either side would die. Sanctions would be lifted, Putin would be dead, and both countries would get along and be peaceful. We can dream can't we? Until then, I hope Ukraine makes them pay for every fucking inch with blood, and I hope they do it with American weapons. Makes a person wonder why the USA doesn't assassinate Putin. We could save the lives of thousands of civilians, and thousands of military people on both sides. My thought is that cowardly politicians would rather that tens or hundreds of thousands of people die, rather than open that can of worms and become targets themselves. The US government would be fine with 50,000 Ukrainians dying to kill 75,000 Russians and capturing Vladimir Putin and executing him after a trial much like Saddam got. We could drop a bomb on him almost at will and maybe kill a few dozen. But we won't do it. Why? |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:39:20 PM EST
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: China is going to attack Taiwan soon. Should we attack both Russia and China at the same time? What do all the pro-war CNN guys say? China is a much more significant threat than Russia, IMHO. Our main focus should be on the chicoms, who put spies in bed with our politicians, and dollars in their pockets. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:39:55 PM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not everything is all good or all bad. Not every fight is ours. True, but Russia is pretty much the gold standard for acting like an asshole for over 100 years, and I hope every Russian invading Ukraine dies a painful death. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:47:08 PM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True, but Russia is pretty much the gold standard for acting like an asshole for over 100 years, and I hope every Russian invading Ukraine dies a painful death. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not everything is all good or all bad. Not every fight is ours. True, but Russia is pretty much the gold standard for acting like an asshole for over 100 years, and I hope every Russian invading Ukraine dies a painful death. Seems like I heard of this German guy who invaded most of Europe a while back... |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:48:28 PM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It would have required knowing that before they invaded because we have been providing arms and training since the Trump administration. Also, one of the reasons they are failing is because we've been helping Ukraine for 5 years to prepare for this. So, no, we shouldn't let Russia walk away with a a bruised ego. It's started, and it needs to be finished properly. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I think I have. I don't care about the moral component at all. Bleeding Russia's power to project force is sufficient justification to provide weapons at US taxpayer expense, at least in my book. Doesn't the level of failure displayed by Russia in Ukraine kinda blow a hole in any theory that says they could project force before their Ukraine fiasco? What does 'finished properly' look like? Russia expelled from Ukraine? Ukraine taking territory from Russia? Putin dead? We thought we fixed the Germans real good after WWI........ |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:52:14 PM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: those here who support democrat causes make me sick everything a democrat does and says have evil intentions got one  Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:54:05 PM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Russia somehow magically conquered all of Ukraine, defeated a world class insurgency, erased the memory of everyone living there, and made it part of Russia, how would life change for an American flipping burgers at your local McDonalds? It wouldn’t. Not one thing in his life would change. Except that now Russia will be knocking on the door of nations we have defense pacts with. Oh I get it. You'll rationalize why its not in our national interest to fight over those ones, too. And then the USA finds itself alone, with no allies and no trading partners. But I'm sure that's in the national interest too, right? The question is... which nation? |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 8:56:32 PM EST
[#18]
Removed, quoted wrong person
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:01:28 PM EST
[#19]
I think some of you guys here are misreading a healthy mistrust of our media and government apparatus for some kind of affinity for Russia in a geopolitical sense.
While I don't have any beef with the Russian people as a whole I understand that Putin is an evil KGB fuck and that what he is doing in Ukraine is wrong. But I am immediately skeptical of the motives and intentions of the vast majority of the elected morons in DC when they and the media start to make noises like we ought to be involved in a war between Ukraine and Russia. I'm not opposed to helping Ukraine and especially if it prevents civilian deaths. But I suspect that American politicians are positioned to profit greatly from such a venture and I'm fucking tired of that shit. Particularly on the heels of the Burisma and Chinese bank payments to the Bidens. I will be very interested to see if a different narrative arises if/when the Chicoms take Taiwan. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:01:47 PM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The just war concept is a means for people who need to reconcile the nature of humans. While the Melian dialogue is better explanation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL, "Unjust" according to whom? We...as in the US Military...knowingly and intentionally firebombed entire cities full of civilians and we did it on purpose, multiple times. There is no morality in war. None. Morality is the illusion sold to simpletons who want a good vs evil feeling to justify the horrible things that are done as if it gives the deaths purpose and allows the people to not have to answer hard questions about how horrible their actions truly were. It is imbecilic to moralize war. It has no morality. It has winners and losers. All else is just to feel better about doing what you did to win. Bullshit. There's a big difference between inevitable deaths in pursuit of military advantage and raping babies/blasting bystanders for kicks. If you can't tell the difference you're morally blind. The US knowingly firebombed non military targets full of civilians and admitted it was a war crime that they would be executed for if they lost the war. Who is blind? That happened. It repeated in Korea and VN on varying scales. There is no morality to it. It’s an illusion to market war to idealistic idiots. The just war concept is a means for people who need to reconcile the nature of humans. While the Melian dialogue is better explanation. They're not opposing poles. Norms of war, professional soldiers, cabinet wars...they're all to minimizing the damage of the inevitable. Because wars of extermination tend to be incomplete, people who push "no morality" (notably mass armies raised from civilians) tend to escalate net damage for no gain, which is not amoral (like starting a war for gain) but rather the moral definition of evil. Which is relevant to Russia's invasion since post-Bolshevik Russian culture shares FedDC's take, where slapping around civilians isn't an unfortunate inevitability to be minimized but a prison-culture gift where civilians should thank their invaders for the abuse. Our pro-Russia crowd would assert realpolitik is fine when Russia invades, then flip to idealism to defend Russia against Western intervention; but with Russia sucking, you can't have either. Incompetent plus evil is no way to go through life. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:06:02 PM EST
[#21]
Link to buy Ukraine flag? How about img that can be added to the avatar?...
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:07:07 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine has every right to defend itself. That has NOTHING to do with the US. Don’t conflate their self defense with some mythical US responsibility to jump into that mess. The National interest of the US is not served by involving itself in this issue. If we applied that standard, we would be in perpetual war. You can pretend that there's no moral component to war but there's every bit as much a moral component to war as there is to any other crime of violence that humans inflict upon eachother. And for civilization to work, we agree that these things are crimes for violating a basic moral code. You tacitly share it when you admit that they are morally justified in self defense. If self defense against the acts of an aggressor is morally justified then it follows that the aggressor's acts are immoral. My acts cannot be "morally neutral" if someone is justified in killing me to stop me. And it also follows that a third party intervening on the defender's behalf is equally moral to the defender in doing so. We can quibble about motivation all day long but if you admit that self defense is morally justified then you must impute morality to the acts of the 1st party aggressor and 3rd party intercessor. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:09:52 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You didn't answer the question, you just assumed you could read the future. Again, If Russia would happen to take over Ukraine, what is your next move? I did NOT ask what happens if Russia tries to invade a NATO country. I wasn't talking to you or answering your question. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:10:05 PM EST
[#24]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:12:32 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I wasn't talking to you or answering your question. I just saw my error and removed it. Sorry |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:14:14 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can pretend that there's no moral component to war but there's every bit as much a moral component to war as there is to any other crime of violence that humans inflict upon eachother. And for civilization to work, we agree that these things are crimes for violating a basic moral code. You tacitly share it when you admit that they are morally justified in self defense. If self defense against the acts of an aggressor is morally justified then it follows that the aggressor's acts are immoral. My acts cannot be "morally neutral" if someone is justified in killing me to stop me. And it also follows that a third party intervening on the defender's behalf is equally moral to the defender in doing so. We can quibble about motivation all day long but if you admit that self defense is morally justified then you must impute morality to the acts of the 1st party aggressor and 3rd party intercessor. I don't disagree with your premise. So why haven't we killed Putin yet? Why haven't we killed Xi? Xi is running concentration camps in China, yes? Those concentration camps must be very profitable for the right people...... We are in a militarily superior position and essentially witnessing a new holocaust in China and probably also North Korea. So what exactly is the moral line vs. the geopolitical line? Crossing a border and then killing people instead of just killing people within your own border? Again, I'm not suggesting that Ukraine should not defend itself or that we should not help them. Why don't we just solve it and kill Putin? |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:20:40 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't disagree with your premise. So why haven't we killed Putin yet? Why haven't we killed Xi? Xi is running concentration camps in China, yes? Those concentration camps must be very profitable for the right people...... We are in a militarily superior position and essentially witnessing a new holocaust in China and probably also North Korea. So what exactly is the moral line vs. the geopolitical line? Crossing a border and then killing people instead of just killing people within your own border? Again, I'm not suggesting that Ukraine should not defend itself or that we should not help them. Why don't we just solve it and kill Putin? Proxy war vs nuclear war. It's a known ruleset, hence the occasional retard trying to draw a path from one to the other to bait everyone who doesn't remember history. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:24:07 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Poppycock. I call shenanigans. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:27:29 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Proxy war vs nuclear war. It's a known ruleset, hence the occasional retard trying to draw a path from one to the other to bait everyone who doesn't remember history. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't disagree with your premise. So why haven't we killed Putin yet? Why haven't we killed Xi? Xi is running concentration camps in China, yes? Those concentration camps must be very profitable for the right people...... We are in a militarily superior position and essentially witnessing a new holocaust in China and probably also North Korea. So what exactly is the moral line vs. the geopolitical line? Crossing a border and then killing people instead of just killing people within your own border? Again, I'm not suggesting that Ukraine should not defend itself or that we should not help them. Why don't we just solve it and kill Putin? Proxy war vs nuclear war. It's a known ruleset, hence the occasional retard trying to draw a path from one to the other to bait everyone who doesn't remember history. Yeah. Proxy wars always go swimmingly for the soldiers and civilians involved. Years of grinding death and misery. 'Known ruleset' = doing the same stupid fucking shit we have been doing since we didn't finish Russia off after WWII. It takes a really special retard to advocate for a proxy war in the shadow of Vietnam and Korea. Those were some brilliant maneuvers, yes? Who doesn't remember history in this thread? History shows that scorched earth campaigns win wars. Trying to wage a gentle war expands the suffering. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:30:21 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't disagree with your premise. So why haven't we killed Putin yet? Why haven't we killed Xi? Xi is running concentration camps in China, yes? Those concentration camps must be very profitable for the right people...... We are in a militarily superior position and essentially witnessing a new holocaust in China and probably also North Korea. So what exactly is the moral line vs. the geopolitical line? Crossing a border and then killing people instead of just killing people within your own border? Again, I'm not suggesting that Ukraine should not defend itself or that we should not help them. Why don't we just solve it and kill Putin? I'd be fine with it. We probably don't out of unspoken/silent convention that you don't go around killing other heads of state/government unless you're at war. Clearly not all nations share that convention. And it would be poetic justice considering how many individuals Putin has had assassinated since he's been in office. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:33:18 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd be fine with it. We probably don't out of unspoken/silent convention that you don't go around killing other heads of state/government unless you're at war. Clearly not all nations share that convention. And it would be poetic justice considering how many individuals Putin has had assassinated since he's been in office. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't disagree with your premise. So why haven't we killed Putin yet? Why haven't we killed Xi? Xi is running concentration camps in China, yes? Those concentration camps must be very profitable for the right people...... We are in a militarily superior position and essentially witnessing a new holocaust in China and probably also North Korea. So what exactly is the moral line vs. the geopolitical line? Crossing a border and then killing people instead of just killing people within your own border? Again, I'm not suggesting that Ukraine should not defend itself or that we should not help them. Why don't we just solve it and kill Putin? I'd be fine with it. We probably don't out of unspoken/silent convention that you don't go around killing other heads of state/government unless you're at war. Clearly not all nations share that convention. And it would be poetic justice considering how many individuals Putin has had assassinated since he's been in office. I would be on board with some polonium coffee for old Vladimir. He's certainly earned it. And I could respect an intelligence or military agency that pulled it off. Today's CIA can't. And wouldn't. I would like to be proven wrong. But I won't be. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:33:18 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The US has been effectively in perpetual war against communism and its successors since 1945. Now the US has a chance to take one of its long term enemies off the table, at basically no human cost to the US, and now suddenly it's a bad thing? Do you ever stop to think about who benefits from letting Russia off easy, or question who profits from pushing that message? It isn't the US as far as I can see... That perpetual war you speak of has been carefully metered to draw out the maximum profit for the military industrial complex and financiers of war. The time to strike was when Patton was done with the Nazis. But he was stopped. The domestic commies are far more troubling.  FULL INTERVIEW with Yuri Bezmenov: The Four Stages of Ideological Subversion (1984) |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:47:00 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't know if you have heard, but the "True Faithful" will have to completely give up Beer & Blowjobs from Young Women, since Democrats have been seen enjoying those things. https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/06/08/09/Obama-beer.jpg?quality=75&width=982&height=726&auto=webp https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/08/obama_170156-520x320.jpg?quality=75&strip=all https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fa50b5e02-156e-11ec-8982-e4706e2eecb0.jpg?crop=4800%2C2700%2C0%2C0&resize=1200 Sorry True Faithful - but let's hope your "hate" keeps you warm... BIGGER_HAMMER  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: those here who support democrat causes make me sick everything a democrat does and says have evil intentions Right! Just the other day a democrat told me I should drink water. Feeling a little dizzy and can't pee now but I will show those democrat I know Dehydration is just WEF globalist Democratic propaganda!! I don't know if you have heard, but the "True Faithful" will have to completely give up Beer & Blowjobs from Young Women, since Democrats have been seen enjoying those things. https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/06/08/09/Obama-beer.jpg?quality=75&width=982&height=726&auto=webp https://nypost.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2013/08/obama_170156-520x320.jpg?quality=75&strip=all https://www.thetimes.co.uk/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fa50b5e02-156e-11ec-8982-e4706e2eecb0.jpg?crop=4800%2C2700%2C0%2C0&resize=1200 Sorry True Faithful - but let's hope your "hate" keeps you warm... BIGGER_HAMMER Reminds me a bit of this Babylon Bee headline.  Attached File
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:52:19 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The just war concept is a means for people who need to reconcile the nature of humans. While the Melian dialogue is better explanation. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL, "Unjust" according to whom? We...as in the US Military...knowingly and intentionally firebombed entire cities full of civilians and we did it on purpose, multiple times. There is no morality in war. None. Morality is the illusion sold to simpletons who want a good vs evil feeling to justify the horrible things that are done as if it gives the deaths purpose and allows the people to not have to answer hard questions about how horrible their actions truly were. It is imbecilic to moralize war. It has no morality. It has winners and losers. All else is just to feel better about doing what you did to win. Bullshit. There's a big difference between inevitable deaths in pursuit of military advantage and raping babies/blasting bystanders for kicks. If you can't tell the difference you're morally blind. The US knowingly firebombed non military targets full of civilians and admitted it was a war crime that they would be executed for if they lost the war. Who is blind? That happened. It repeated in Korea and VN on varying scales. There is no morality to it. It’s an illusion to market war to idealistic idiots. The just war concept is a means for people who need to reconcile the nature of humans. While the Melian dialogue is better explanation.  Attached File |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 9:56:59 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like I heard of this German guy who invaded most of Europe a while back... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not everything is all good or all bad. Not every fight is ours. True, but Russia is pretty much the gold standard for acting like an asshole for over 100 years, and I hope every Russian invading Ukraine dies a painful death. Seems like I heard of this German guy who invaded most of Europe a while back... Then you heard wrong considering Hitler was responsible for a grand total of around 17 million and Russia under Stalin alone was responsible for potentially as many as 60 million. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:08:22 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The US knowingly firebombed non military targets full of civilians and admitted it was a war crime that they would be executed for if they lost the war. Who is blind? That happened. It repeated in Korea and VN on varying scales. There is no morality to it. It’s an illusion to market war to idealistic idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL, "Unjust" according to whom? We...as in the US Military...knowingly and intentionally firebombed entire cities full of civilians and we did it on purpose, multiple times. There is no morality in war. None. Morality is the illusion sold to simpletons who want a good vs evil feeling to justify the horrible things that are done as if it gives the deaths purpose and allows the people to not have to answer hard questions about how horrible their actions truly were. It is imbecilic to moralize war. It has no morality. It has winners and losers. All else is just to feel better about doing what you did to win. Bullshit. There's a big difference between inevitable deaths in pursuit of military advantage and raping babies/blasting bystanders for kicks. If you can't tell the difference you're morally blind. The US knowingly firebombed non military targets full of civilians and admitted it was a war crime that they would be executed for if they lost the war. Who is blind? That happened. It repeated in Korea and VN on varying scales. There is no morality to it. It’s an illusion to market war to idealistic idiots. Who admitted that it would have been a war crime? |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:14:41 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Then you heard wrong considering Hitler was responsible for a grand total of around 17 million and Russia under Stalin alone was responsible for potentially as many as 60 million. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not everything is all good or all bad. Not every fight is ours. True, but Russia is pretty much the gold standard for acting like an asshole for over 100 years, and I hope every Russian invading Ukraine dies a painful death. Seems like I heard of this German guy who invaded most of Europe a while back... Then you heard wrong considering Hitler was responsible for a grand total of around 17 million and Russia under Stalin alone was responsible for potentially as many as 60 million. Source? {"How, finally, does Mao’s record compare to those of Hitler or Stalin? Snyder estimates that Hitler was responsible for between 11 million and 12 million noncombatant deaths, while Stalin was responsible for at least 6 million, and as many as 9 million if “foreseeable” deaths caused by deportation, starvation, and incarceration in concentration camps are included."} https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2018/02/08/who-killed-more-hitler-stalin-or-mao/?msclkid=9f655d03c11f11ecb7966650f3fc2b7c |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:17:13 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Source? {"How, finally, does Mao’s record compare to those of Hitler or Stalin? Snyder estimates that Hitler was responsible for between 11 million and 12 million noncombatant deaths, while Stalin was responsible for at least 6 million, and as many as 9 million if “foreseeable” deaths caused by deportation, starvation, and incarceration in concentration camps are included."} https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2018/02/08/who-killed-more-hitler-stalin-or-mao/?msclkid=9f655d03c11f11ecb7966650f3fc2b7c Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not everything is all good or all bad. Not every fight is ours. True, but Russia is pretty much the gold standard for acting like an asshole for over 100 years, and I hope every Russian invading Ukraine dies a painful death. Seems like I heard of this German guy who invaded most of Europe a while back... Then you heard wrong considering Hitler was responsible for a grand total of around 17 million and Russia under Stalin alone was responsible for potentially as many as 60 million. Source? {"How, finally, does Mao’s record compare to those of Hitler or Stalin? Snyder estimates that Hitler was responsible for between 11 million and 12 million noncombatant deaths, while Stalin was responsible for at least 6 million, and as many as 9 million if “foreseeable” deaths caused by deportation, starvation, and incarceration in concentration camps are included."} https://u.osu.edu/mclc/2018/02/08/who-killed-more-hitler-stalin-or-mao/?msclkid=9f655d03c11f11ecb7966650f3fc2b7c Source? Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn. Or we could do "Unnatural Deaths in the U.S.S.R.: 1928-1954” by Dyadkin that estimated 34 to 49 million directly linked to Stalin. Or “Europe A History” by Norman Davies estimated 50 million killed between 1924-53. Plenty of other estimates out there, all of which eclipse Hitler by far. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:25:07 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand the idea. Back in the early 2000s when I was single I was in kyiv, at a meseum for the great patrotic war. ( the Lady with the Sword). First floor is mostly ww2 stuff.. I think it was the second floor, who knows after 20 years. I bumped into a Soviet soilder. Over there they put on old uniforms instead of a vfw cover. I was with a girl from kyiv and another acting as a translator so we were speaking English. He asked if I was an American and I said yes. We talked maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Not long. He mentioned how he didn't hate America but was jealous in a way. I called my dad later that day (he is a Korean war vet). My Dad explained how i shouldnt hate him as he didn't hate us. I wish I had asked him more questions... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not unpopular at all. I have MANY Russian friends and family. If I had it my way, Russians would go home and no more of either side would die. Sanctions would be lifted, Putin would be dead, and both countries would get along and be peaceful. We can dream can't we? Until then, I hope Ukraine makes them pay for every fucking inch with blood, and I hope they do it with American weapons. I understand the idea. Back in the early 2000s when I was single I was in kyiv, at a meseum for the great patrotic war. ( the Lady with the Sword). First floor is mostly ww2 stuff.. I think it was the second floor, who knows after 20 years. I bumped into a Soviet soilder. Over there they put on old uniforms instead of a vfw cover. I was with a girl from kyiv and another acting as a translator so we were speaking English. He asked if I was an American and I said yes. We talked maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Not long. He mentioned how he didn't hate America but was jealous in a way. I called my dad later that day (he is a Korean war vet). My Dad explained how i shouldnt hate him as he didn't hate us. I wish I had asked him more questions... Nice post |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:25:42 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seems like I heard of this German guy who invaded most of Europe a while back... History isn't your strong suit, is it? Commies are worse than Nazis any day ending in Y Fuck Russia |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:28:55 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I just liked the Pinocchio caricature. That Hitler story had some valid points btw. Not everything is all good or all bad. Not every fight is ours. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Your source is a former legislator from a socialist party who is under indictment for treason and corruption, fled to Spain before the invasion he supported and has called for his nation to be attacked by Russia with nuclear weapons. You should be ashamed of yourself. I just liked the Pinocchio caricature. That Hitler story had some valid points btw. Not everything is all good or all bad. Not every fight is ours. In a thread where people are ADAMANTLY denying the existence of members who support Russia, you are posting and agreeing with links that are TOTALLY in support of Russia… …and no one will acknowledge it. You’re awesome. They suck. 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:32:39 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm solidly in the "let them fuck each other, we have our own shit to deal with" camp. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They aren't rooting for Russia, they are rooting against the West because they don't like it any more. I'm solidly in the "let them fuck each other, we have our own shit to deal with" camp. This. Accusing those who don’t give a shit about Ukraine as being supporters of rape, torture and violence is not the way. I was on a trip earlier this week and spent time with a Ukrainian guy (looked like a Ukrainian Tobey Maguire) and his wife. His first language is Ukrainian and he has family in Ukraine right now. We were relaxing on a private beach on an island off Costa Rica. He said “yeah I think about my family over there but I don’t worry about what I can’t control” with a smile. Smart guy. Be better (and smarter), GD. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:33:29 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In a thread where people are ADAMANTLY denying the existence of members who support Russia, you are posting and agreeing with links that are TOTALLY in support of Russia… …and no one will acknowledge it. You’re awesome. They suck. The Z in his avatar it's what they call in poker a "tell." |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:33:46 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: History isn't your strong suit, is it? Commies are worse than Nazis any day ending in Y Fuck Russia Most would think exterminating two-thirds of Europe's Jewish population using a gas chamber assembly line invented to speed up death is pretty bad. But you do you. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:36:39 PM EST
[#45]
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:37:01 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most would think exterminating two-thirds of Europe's Jewish population using a gas chamber assembly line invented to speed up death is pretty bad. But you do you. Nobody said it wasn't bad. I'm just saying the Russians are an order of magnitude WORSE. Fuck Russia. I hope every Russian invader dies a horrible, painful death. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:40:21 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Most would think exterminating two-thirds of Europe's Jewish population using a gas chamber assembly line invented to speed up death is pretty bad. But you do you. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: History isn't your strong suit, is it? Commies are worse than Nazis any day ending in Y Fuck Russia Most would think exterminating two-thirds of Europe's Jewish population using a gas chamber assembly line invented to speed up death is pretty bad. But you do you. Apparently neither history nor math are strong suits... Communists ran a murderous, totalitarian police state in the USSR for 7 decades. Hitler ran Germany for 12 years. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:48:27 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently neither history nor math are strong suits... Communists ran a murderous, totalitarian police state in the USSR for 7 decades. Hitler ran Germany for 12 years. Gee, makes you wonder why our government would sign off on Russia's Uranium 1 purchase to such a murderous country. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:48:36 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Put your money where your mouth is war monger. Sign up or STFU and leave people to form their own opinion without you calling everyone a Russian sympathizer who disagrees with your war mongering. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You're the one expecting us to donate our body to something we think is important, yet you won't donate your body to a cause you think is important. You're a hypocrite. I'm not calling for any Americans to go fight, why do you keep saying I am? Put your money where your mouth is war monger. Sign up or STFU and leave people to form their own opinion without you calling everyone a Russian sympathizer who disagrees with your war mongering. Please tell me where I said we should go to war. Perhaps you don't quite understand what a war monger is. I'm actually advocating for preventing a larger war. Why don't you want to prevent a larger war, war monger? |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/20/2022 10:48:45 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How did Putin get his billions? Plural. His salary? He let billionaires fund him just like Ukrainian politicians only he drove a bunch out, seized their assets under lol, “corruption” charges and then murdered some of them. |
|
|
Win a FREE Membership!
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
Attached File