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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:49:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And at the first sign of opposition you claim that you were personally attacked by me... Can't imagine why I wouldn't want to play your bait game. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why are you dragging it out? I already told you I'm not going to. Why do you think it has to do with anyone's manhood? That's a....weird...stretch. I'm not dodging anything, I'm just not going to report you. As I said, I prefer to let you make a fool of yourself. So why don't you take your own advice and "be a man" get back on topic and offer a rebuttal to my arguments. I'm ASKING for your opposition. Actual opposition, not "witty" one liners and strawmen. I welcome your actual opposition. Let's get to it. And at the first sign of opposition you claim that you were personally attacked by me... Can't imagine why I wouldn't want to play your bait game. Don't lie, there's 25 pages of opposition, yet none of them contain a coherent argument from you. Now you won't shut up about me pointing out that all you have are personal attacks and false equivalencies. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:50:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you suggesting that the "Russian bear" is going to invade the U.S.? How exactly is American blood going to get spilled by not getting involved in two corrupt countries fighting on the other side of the world? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We're talking about American money now to avoid American blood later. So no, I won't fuck off. Once again, personal attacks and poorly thought out arguments is all you have. Are you suggesting that the "Russian bear" is going to invade the U.S.? How exactly is American blood going to get spilled by not getting involved in two corrupt countries fighting on the other side of the world? No. Try to keep up. I'm suggesting an easy victory in UKR would have later triggered article 5, hence outfitting UKR now to let some of their blood is a good thing. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:50:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I enjoy watching you 5 or 6 guys argue over this stuff. You all seem to know a lot of stuff. I don’t mean that in a mean way. Allow me to ask a hypothetical question. So say three weeks from now. Kiev falls, Zelinsky is captured and taken prisoner. Besides a bunch of thread with people arguing on arfcom and Twitter. What’s it going to change in the world? If Ukraine falls it will cause the world to burn or will we all just move on to the next thing like we usually do? The picture of Colon Powell holding the pretend yellow cake was called a “straw man” a few pages back. I don’t see it that way. Colon and that whole administration lied and a bunch of souls went to heaven and hell because of it. It was the same thing. “We’re all going to die if we don’t invade Iraq!!” I like cheap gas and electricity but at the cost of human life? It’s hard to even think of it that way when I am so far removed from it. But I’m the end that’s what went down. Aside from rich people getting richer. It’s the same with Ukraine in my eyes. If they fall or if Russia collapses. I hardly think 2 years from now things will be better. I suspect we will just be watching the politicians telling us we have to invade some other place because the world will end. Maybe I’m just to simple and greedy but I don’t see how this affects the average person living in America. If I was in Poland. I might be concerned. But I’m on the other side of the world chilling just like the rest of you. According to the globalists “Russia with Ukraine is an empire, Russia without Ukraine is just a country.” |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:51:06 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Please tell me where I said we should go to war. Perhaps you don't quite understand what a war monger is. I'm actually advocating for preventing a larger war. Why don't you want to prevent a larger war, war monger? war·mon·ger ['wôr?m?NGg?r] NOUN a person who encourages or advocates aggression towards other countries or groups. synonyms: militarist · hawk · jingoist · saber-rattler · aggressor · provoker · belligerent |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:51:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, I’m saying that our track record is one of absolute failure and mass death of civilians. We literally lose every war in the lifetime of everyone in this topic and there are more than a million dead civilians in the ground to prove it. Objective reality says…STOP DOING WAR…we lose and make it worse for actual humans while defense contractors get rich. This war is perpetual. It has paused, but it will always be there and we can’t stop that. It’s literally none of our business. We can’t add anything but more death. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What is the tangible negative result for American citizens, if Russia takes Ukraine? Hunter Biden and associates can’t launder millions in bribes? Seriously. How does it affect the guy working at the local McDonalds? It doesn’t. That’s not pro Russia…it’s literally America First. Well, it wouldn't have ended with Ukraine for one. Two, personally, I am totally okay with providing weapons and training to a country that is quite literally at risk of being genocided. It doesn't effect the guy at mcdonald's, but it doesn't have to in order to justify some level of help. Apply that standard globally. Wanna go visit Rwanda? Maybe we should step in when Ethiopia and Eretria go at it again? How about the CAR and the never ending purges...it's a literal genocide. What's the difference now? Why now and not then? Maybe we can add Tibet and what the Chinese did/are doing there? Wanna go toe to toe with the Chinese? You can't claim an ethical standard and then selectively apply it. We let genocide happen regularly and do nothing...so why are we all fired up about this one? Could there be other reasons...gee...what else happens in that specific country...  A civil war within a country in africa is a lot different than an unjustified invasion in Europe. Not an apples to apples comparison. Further, Rwandan forces never had their eyes on neighbors, and never threatened dropping nukes on everyone if they didn't get their way. Don't get me wrong, it's a tragedy, but it's not the same scenario. What else is in Ukraine? Please be specific and provide sources. Ukraine is a corrupt quasi oligarchy that laundered money for US political groups and foreign powers. It is one of the most corrupt places on earth. This has not changed from then to now. Not once, has anyone in this thread identified a US National Interest in us fighting Russia for Ukraine. My standard is as stated above- Tell the guy working at McDonalds, why US tax money and manpower should go to Ukraine and not to anywhere else on the planet including domestic spending. Explain how that guy's taxes should be spent in Ukraine and exactly what will happen to him if we don't do it. Nothing...his life will not change by us staying home. We can feel bad about someone's country being invaded without that meaning we have to jump into the middle of the conflict. Ukraine democratically elected their leaders, and in fact the last time someone tried to prove what you said they actually ended up accidentally proving that it was Zelenskey's opposition that was the particularly corrupt party. Oops. I notice that you provided no sources, nor can you explain why them being corrupt means they waive the right to self defense. We are corrupt as well. I never said manpower should go to Ukraine or that we should "jump in the middle of it". But providing weapons and training is good to go. Your standard is weird. Yeah, the US democratically elected someone too...keep believing that. You want to get your war boner wet. Go get some. Stop pretending it is moral or justified and do it on your own time, not by proxy of US taxpayers and armed forces. There are no good guys in this fight. None. Stop trying to make it look like a john wayne movie and accept the reality that is is just two corrupt states fighting one another. PS. Nations don't have morality. They have national interests and what is best for their own citizens...is their national interest. There is zero upside for the US to be involved here...none. I am still in, and I have no intention of going to fight. I also have no problem in helping UKR to defend themselves. Stop pretending like I'm advocating we go to war. I'm not. In fact, doing what we're doing now helps to ensure Russia cannot invade another country and thus triggering article 5. This is one of the biggest upsides for us. Ensuring Russia has zero ability to trigger art 5. See, you can't think just one step ahead, you have to think of the unintended consequences of action and inaction. Your PS is wrong. When a nation unjustifiably invades, condones murder, pillage and rape and deliberately targets civilians that is immoral. I'm surprised this has to be said. Russia is very clearly the bad guy here, even a significant amount of Russians understand this. Ukraine is about as "good" as a country can be concerning this war. LOL, "Unjust" according to whom? We...as in the US Military...knowingly and intentionally firebombed entire cities full of civilians and we did it on purpose, multiple times. There is no morality in war. None. Morality is the illusion sold to simpletons who want a good vs evil feeling to justify the horrible things that are done as if it gives the deaths purpose and allows the people to not have to answer hard questions about how horrible their actions truly were. It is imbecilic to moralize war. It has no morality. It has winners and losers. All else is just to feel better about doing what you did to win. Unjust according to anyone with any sense, including many Russians who are dumbfounded that an American would say something as ridiculous as you just said. You clearly missed your PME, I'm saddened that we have such uneducated people in our ranks. I cannot believe that you never studied Just War Theory. Ignoring morality in war is for simpletons who are too scared to assign morality to actions. You are hilariously wrong, and need to educate yourself. Here's a primer. https://iep.utm.edu/justwar/ I had that class. Then I went to Iraq...twice. Same with Afghanistan. Theory met reality and reality wasn't like the books and powerpoints. It smelled a lot worse too and justice wasn't what decided who lived and died. War sounds awesome when you are 25. I thought it was the best thing...ever. Looking back, it was pointless and full of needless human suffering that would not have happened if we had not been there. It was not just for the literal truckloads of dead people that are still dead, no matter how much pretty paper we wrap our involvement in. War and just are not words that go together. Not in reality. Justice and truth are the first real casualties of war. You're arguing circularly now. Just war posits that war is terrible, but not the worst thing there is. Russia started this war and is causing that needless suffering that we have witnessed. Russia did that. They were unjust in doing so. Ukraine is just in defending themselves against this aggression. This isn't a powerpoint, this is real life where an aggressor nation unjustly invaded, and another nation is justly defending themselves. War is terrible, and you're giving the aggressor in this war a day pass because you refuse to call it what it is- an unjust invasion. No, I’m saying that our track record is one of absolute failure and mass death of civilians. We literally lose every war in the lifetime of everyone in this topic and there are more than a million dead civilians in the ground to prove it. Objective reality says…STOP DOING WAR…we lose and make it worse for actual humans while defense contractors get rich. This war is perpetual. It has paused, but it will always be there and we can’t stop that. It’s literally none of our business. We can’t add anything but more death. I agree, Russia should stop doing war, and since we can give UKR weapons to help stop it, we should. After all, we agree war is terrible. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:52:41 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I understand the idea. Back in the early 2000s when I was single I was in kyiv, at a meseum for the great patrotic war. ( the Lady with the Sword). First floor is mostly ww2 stuff.. I think it was the second floor, who knows after 20 years. I bumped into a Soviet soilder. Over there they put on old uniforms instead of a vfw cover. I was with a girl from kyiv and another acting as a translator so we were speaking English. He asked if I was an American and I said yes. We talked maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Not long. He mentioned how he didn't hate America but was jealous in a way. I called my dad later that day (he is a Korean war vet). My Dad explained how i shouldnt hate him as he didn't hate us. I wish I had asked him more questions... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not unpopular at all. I have MANY Russian friends and family. If I had it my way, Russians would go home and no more of either side would die. Sanctions would be lifted, Putin would be dead, and both countries would get along and be peaceful. We can dream can't we? Until then, I hope Ukraine makes them pay for every fucking inch with blood, and I hope they do it with American weapons. I understand the idea. Back in the early 2000s when I was single I was in kyiv, at a meseum for the great patrotic war. ( the Lady with the Sword). First floor is mostly ww2 stuff.. I think it was the second floor, who knows after 20 years. I bumped into a Soviet soilder. Over there they put on old uniforms instead of a vfw cover. I was with a girl from kyiv and another acting as a translator so we were speaking English. He asked if I was an American and I said yes. We talked maybe 10 or 15 minutes. Not long. He mentioned how he didn't hate America but was jealous in a way. I called my dad later that day (he is a Korean war vet). My Dad explained how i shouldnt hate him as he didn't hate us. I wish I had asked him more questions... I've met MANY interesting Russians that have no hatred for Americans at all. I would LOVE for there to be peace. It would benefit me personally as well. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:53:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: According to the globalists “Russia with Ukraine is an empire, Russia without Ukraine is just a country.” Who said that? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:53:48 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: those here who support democrat causes make me sick everything a democrat does and says have evil intentions  got one /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/D8B23FA1-44B0-4505-ACCE-73D0CFE17C12-415.gif Uh...yeah...good job? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:54:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: war·mon·ger ['wôr?m?NGg?r] NOUN a person who encourages or advocates aggression towards other countries or groups. synonyms: militarist · hawk · jingoist · saber-rattler · aggressor · provoker · belligerent Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Please tell me where I said we should go to war. Perhaps you don't quite understand what a war monger is. I'm actually advocating for preventing a larger war. Why don't you want to prevent a larger war, war monger? war·mon·ger ['wôr?m?NGg?r] NOUN a person who encourages or advocates aggression towards other countries or groups. synonyms: militarist · hawk · jingoist · saber-rattler · aggressor · provoker · belligerent Russia? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:54:51 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. Try to keep up. I'm suggesting an easy victory in UKR would have later triggered article 5, hence outfitting UKR now to let some of their blood is a good thing. I am keeping up with your nonsense just fine. So, if Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much the US spends what's next? Do you think we should then invade Ukraine to remove Russia? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:55:32 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you think global events don’t affect us if we stay in an isolationist bubble, or that Russia acquiring territory from its neighbors doesn’t pose a threat, you’re not much for history (or reality)…. Russian info sources will tell you stuff like that, and they’d never lie, now would they…. The only way this gets settled is with a neutral Ukraine or concessions that Zelensky doesn’t have the constitutional authority to negotiate without consent of parliament. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:55:55 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: war·mon·ger ['wôr?m?NGg?r] NOUN a person who encourages or advocates aggression towards other countries or groups. synonyms: militarist · hawk · jingoist · saber-rattler · aggressor · provoker · belligerent Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Please tell me where I said we should go to war. Perhaps you don't quite understand what a war monger is. I'm actually advocating for preventing a larger war. Why don't you want to prevent a larger war, war monger? war·mon·ger ['wôr?m?NGg?r] NOUN a person who encourages or advocates aggression towards other countries or groups. synonyms: militarist · hawk · jingoist · saber-rattler · aggressor · provoker · belligerent So I guess you're lying then, because I'm not advocating we send anyone to war. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:56:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russia? No, Dictonary.
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:57:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am keeping up with your nonsense just fine. So, if Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much the US spends what's next? Do you think we should then invade Ukraine to remove Russia? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No. Try to keep up. I'm suggesting an easy victory in UKR would have later triggered article 5, hence outfitting UKR now to let some of their blood is a good thing. I am keeping up with your nonsense just fine. So, if Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much the US spends what's next? Do you think we should then invade Ukraine to remove Russia? You clearly are not since you keep saying I'm advocating for war, and you just again asked me a question I've answered multiple times. Again, please, try to keep up. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:57:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, Dictonary. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia? No, Dictonary. Russia is the ONLY entity starting wars here. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:58:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ukraine has every right to defend itself. That has NOTHING to do with the US. Don’t conflate their self defense with some mythical US responsibility to jump into that mess. The National interest of the US is not served by involving itself in this issue. If we applied that standard, we would be in perpetual war. Europe won’t overcommit either, they need their oil snd gas. This whole mess is engineered to fight a peoxy war whereby everyone gets to profit and remain comfortably distanced but Ukraine. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:58:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The only way this gets settled is with a neutral Ukraine or concessions that Zelensky doesn’t have the constitutional authority to negotiate without consent of parliament. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If you think global events don’t affect us if we stay in an isolationist bubble, or that Russia acquiring territory from its neighbors doesn’t pose a threat, you’re not much for history (or reality)…. Russian info sources will tell you stuff like that, and they’d never lie, now would they…. The only way this gets settled is with a neutral Ukraine or concessions that Zelensky doesn’t have the constitutional authority to negotiate without consent of parliament. If Russia were to take umbrage with our foreign policy, should WE agree to such constraints? It WOULD avoid conflict, right? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:58:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So I guess you're lying then, because I'm not advocating we send anyone to war. Maybe you should have looked up the definition of warmonger first? 
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:58:55 PM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only way this gets settled is with a neutral Ukraine or concessions that Zelensky doesn’t have the constitutional authority to negotiate without consent of parliament. Or a Russian withdrawal. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:58:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You clearly are not since you keep saying I'm advocating for war, and you just again asked me a question I've answered multiple times. Again, please, try to keep up. Again, So, if Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much the US spends what's next? Do you think we should then invade Ukraine to remove Russia? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:59:02 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, Dictonary. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia? No, Dictonary. I know. They were listed as a synonym. Putin’s picture was there. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 10:59:49 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Russia take umbrage with our foreign policy, should WE agree to such constraints? It WOULD avoid conflict, right? We never wanted to avoid conflict in Ukraine, we merely postured like we did. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:00:55 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We never wanted to avoid conflict in Ukraine, we merely postured like we did. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If Russia take umbrage with our foreign policy, should WE agree to such constraints? It WOULD avoid conflict, right? We never wanted to avoid conflict in Ukraine, we merely postured like we did. same question again: If Russia were to take umbrage with our foreign policy, should WE agree to such constraints to avoid conflict? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:01:03 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you should have looked up the definition of warmonger first? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So I guess you're lying then, because I'm not advocating we send anyone to war. Maybe you should have looked up the definition of warmonger first? You are so confused about what is going on I don't even know where to start with you. Can you comprehend that I do not want to send Americans to war, and that I only want to provide means for UKR to defend themselves against an aggressor nation? That is not war mongering. Do you comprehend what article 5 is? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:01:47 PM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, So, if Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much the US spends what's next? Do you think we should then invade Ukraine to remove Russia? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You clearly are not since you keep saying I'm advocating for war, and you just again asked me a question I've answered multiple times. Again, please, try to keep up. Again, So, if Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much the US spends what's next? Do you think we should then invade Ukraine to remove Russia? What part of me saying I do not want to send Americans to Ukraine is difficult for you to understand? I literally do not know how else to explain this. I've said it so many times. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:02:17 PM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Again, So, if Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much the US spends what's next? Do you think we should then invade Ukraine to remove Russia? Lol, if Russia “takes over” Ukraine it faces a protracted war of insurgency we’ve already planned for. This is to bleed them and create another Afghanistan adventure for them. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/03/05/russia-ukraine-insurgency/ |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:02:33 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In a thread where people are ADAMANTLY denying the existence of members who support Russia, you are posting and agreeing with links that are TOTALLY in support of Russia… …and no one will acknowledge it.  You’re awesome. They suck.  Thanks. I think.  I have a story that seems relevant. Not 100% on the details but I can ask my wife tomorrow if need be to clear it up. My father in law was out of Korea and vacationing in Germany before the wall was built. There were guards everywhere with machine guns eyeballing everyone. He took a train or maybe a bus and was traveling back west. A pretty young lady sits next to him and offers her hand. I can only imagine the look they exchanged. His stop arrived and they walked out past the guards arm in arm. They rounded a corner and she ran to her family, all were crying with joy. He said he couldn’t imagine how bad things must’ve been to be so happy to leave with just your clothes. I really miss him. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:02:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can pretend that there's no moral component to war but there's every bit as much a moral component to war as there is to any other crime of violence that humans inflict upon eachother. And for civilization to work, we agree that these things are crimes for violating a basic moral code. You tacitly share it when you admit that they are morally justified in self defense. If self defense against the acts of an aggressor is morally justified then it follows that the aggressor's acts are immoral. My acts cannot be "morally neutral" if someone is justified in killing me to stop me. And it also follows that a third party intervening on the defender's behalf is equally moral to the defender in doing so. We can quibble about motivation all day long but if you admit that self defense is morally justified then you must impute morality to the acts of the 1st party aggressor and 3rd party intercessor. War is about money and power. Morality is just a propaganda tool to sell war to the masses. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:03:01 PM EST
[#29]
We the people are of no consequence to them.
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:03:07 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, if Russia “takes over” Ukraine it faces a protracted war of insurgency we’ve already planned for. This is to bleed them and create another Afghanistan adventure for them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Again, So, if Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much the US spends what's next? Do you think we should then invade Ukraine to remove Russia? Lol, if Russia “takes over” Ukraine it faces a protracted war of insurgency we’ve already planned for. This is to bleed them and create another Afghanistan adventure for them. This is true. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:05:09 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, if Russia “takes over” Ukraine it faces a protracted war of insurgency we’ve already planned for. This is to bleed them and create another Afghanistan adventure for them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Again, So, if Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much the US spends what's next? Do you think we should then invade Ukraine to remove Russia? Lol, if Russia “takes over” Ukraine it faces a protracted war of insurgency we’ve already planned for. This is to bleed them and create another Afghanistan adventure for them. This we agree on, and we need to ensure this is exactly what happens. For more than one reason. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:05:43 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: War is about money and power. Morality is just a propaganda tool to sell war to the masses. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You can pretend that there's no moral component to war but there's every bit as much a moral component to war as there is to any other crime of violence that humans inflict upon eachother. And for civilization to work, we agree that these things are crimes for violating a basic moral code. You tacitly share it when you admit that they are morally justified in self defense. If self defense against the acts of an aggressor is morally justified then it follows that the aggressor's acts are immoral. My acts cannot be "morally neutral" if someone is justified in killing me to stop me. And it also follows that a third party intervening on the defender's behalf is equally moral to the defender in doing so. We can quibble about motivation all day long but if you admit that self defense is morally justified then you must impute morality to the acts of the 1st party aggressor and 3rd party intercessor. War is about money and power. Morality is just a propaganda tool to sell war to the masses. Nonsense. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:07:32 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are so confused about what is going on I don't even know where to start with you. Can you comprehend that I do not want to send Americans to war, and that I only want to provide means for UKR to defend themselves against an aggressor nation? That is not war mongering. Do you comprehend what article 5 is? Yet again, simple question. If Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much money and weapons we send them what's next? Do you think we should then invade and remove Russia? This question requires a simple yes or no. And it's even easier than learning the definition of words by looking in a dictonary. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:10:01 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet again, simple question. If Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much money and weapons we send them what's next? Do you think we should then invade and remove Russia? This question requires a simple yes or no. And it's even easier than learning the definition of words by looking in a dictonary. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You are so confused about what is going on I don't even know where to start with you. Can you comprehend that I do not want to send Americans to war, and that I only want to provide means for UKR to defend themselves against an aggressor nation? That is not war mongering. Do you comprehend what article 5 is? Yet again, simple question. If Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much money and weapons we send them what's next? Do you think we should then invade and remove Russia? This question requires a simple yes or no. And it's even easier than learning the definition of words by looking in a dictonary. Holy shit bro. I literally answered your question in the post you quoted. Are you having a stroke? What part of no American troops in UKR is confusing you? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:10:51 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet again, simple question. If Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much money and weapons we send them what's next? Do you think we should then invade and remove Russia? This question requires a simple yes or no. And it's even easier than learning the definition of words by looking in a dictonary. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You are so confused about what is going on I don't even know where to start with you. Can you comprehend that I do not want to send Americans to war, and that I only want to provide means for UKR to defend themselves against an aggressor nation? That is not war mongering. Do you comprehend what article 5 is? Yet again, simple question. If Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much money and weapons we send them what's next? Do you think we should then invade and remove Russia? This question requires a simple yes or no. And it's even easier than learning the definition of words by looking in a dictonary. We fund and support a brutal insurgency that results in thousands of dead Russians and ultimately another humiliating defeat. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:11:38 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: same question again: If Russia were to take umbrage with our foreign policy, should WE agree to such constraints to avoid conflict? We should probably kick their teeth in and see Moscow burn but that would take balls we don’t have and risks we won’t assume. And we shouldn’t have gone down this foreign policy path to begin with but those unregulated, corrupt and virgin foreign markets are just too tempting. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:15:04 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We the people are of no consequence to them. “The Grand Chessboard” |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:16:43 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nonsense. One might enlist because they feel some moral obligation to serve their country, but they get deployed because it serves the interests of the rich and powerful in and around their government. I realize that may be a hard pill to swallow. Too bad, so sad. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:17:04 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy shit bro. I literally answered your question in the post you quoted. Are you having a stroke? What part of no American troops in UKR is confusing you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You are so confused about what is going on I don't even know where to start with you. Can you comprehend that I do not want to send Americans to war, and that I only want to provide means for UKR to defend themselves against an aggressor nation? That is not war mongering. Do you comprehend what article 5 is? Yet again, simple question. If Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much money and weapons we send them what's next? Do you think we should then invade and remove Russia? This question requires a simple yes or no. And it's even easier than learning the definition of words by looking in a dictonary. Holy shit bro. I literally answered your question in the post you quoted. Are you having a stroke? What part of no American troops in UKR is confusing you? Was that so hard to finally say no, if my dream of Ukraine winning doesn't pan out I will not support war with Russia? So now what? Find Zolensky and send him money? Whats next? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:18:18 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One might enlist because they feel some moral obligation to serve their country, but they get deployed because it serves the interests of the rich and powerful in and around their government. I realize that may be a hard pill to swallow. Too bad, so sad. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nonsense. One might enlist because they feel some moral obligation to serve their country, but they get deployed because it serves the interests of the rich and powerful in and around their government. I realize that may be a hard pill to swallow. Too bad, so sad. Doesn't change the fact that invading a country to annex it is not moral, and defending your country from said annexation is. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:20:20 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Was that so hard to finally say no, if my dream of Ukraine winning doesn't pan out I will not support war with Russia? So now what? Find Zolensky and send him money? Whats next? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You are so confused about what is going on I don't even know where to start with you. Can you comprehend that I do not want to send Americans to war, and that I only want to provide means for UKR to defend themselves against an aggressor nation? That is not war mongering. Do you comprehend what article 5 is? Yet again, simple question. If Russia takes over Ukraine regardless of how much money and weapons we send them what's next? Do you think we should then invade and remove Russia? This question requires a simple yes or no. And it's even easier than learning the definition of words by looking in a dictonary. Holy shit bro. I literally answered your question in the post you quoted. Are you having a stroke? What part of no American troops in UKR is confusing you? Was that so hard to finally say no, if my dream of Ukraine winning doesn't pan out I will not support war with Russia? So now what? Find Zolensky and send him money? Whats next? It was little hard saying no for the fiftieth fucking time since you ignored the first 49 times. Don't even try to pretend like I was avoiding the question, I'd already answered it. Many times. Already answered your second question too. How many times will I have to answer it? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:23:13 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't change the fact that invading a country to annex it is not moral, and defending your country from said annexation is. I don't disagree, I have been watching my country be invaded for decades with the help of the same federal government that swore to protect and secure our border and enforce our laws, and they make me help finance their tyranny. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:23:48 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't disagree, I have been watching my country be invaded for decades with the help of the same federal government that swore to protect and secure our border and enforce our laws, and they make me help finance their tyranny. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Doesn't change the fact that invading a country to annex it is not moral, and defending your country from said annexation is. I don't disagree, I have been watching my country be invaded for decades with the help of the same federal government that swore to protect and secure our border and enforce our laws, and they make me help finance their tyranny. So go defend it. How many times have you called your congressmen? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:26:35 PM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It was little hard saying no for the fiftieth fucking time since you ignored the first 49 times. Don't even try to pretend like I was avoiding the question, I'd already answered it. Many times. Already answered your second question too. How many times will I have to answer it? No, you clearly tried to change the subject and did not give a straight answer. Hell, you even want to argue that the definition of warmonger is wrong in all the dictionaries. 
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:28:21 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So go defend it. How many times have you called your congressmen? Many times many letters. And unlike the Ukraine which is asking for volunteers, the Border patrol does not want your help at the border. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:31:24 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No, you clearly tried to change the subject and did not give a straight answer. Hell, you even want to argue that the definition of warmonger is wrong in all the dictionaries. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It was little hard saying no for the fiftieth fucking time since you ignored the first 49 times. Don't even try to pretend like I was avoiding the question, I'd already answered it. Many times. Already answered your second question too. How many times will I have to answer it? No, you clearly tried to change the subject and did not give a straight answer. Hell, you even want to argue that the definition of warmonger is wrong in all the dictionaries. Your reading comprehension isn't great. I've said from the beginning that I did not want American troops in UKR, which is why I said you don't understand what a warmonger is, since I'm advocating we do not get troops involved. I still don't know why you didn't get that. but you finally did after 50 or times...of me saying the EXACT same thing. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:32:51 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Many times many letters. And unlike the Ukraine which is asking for volunteers, the Border patrol does not want your help at the border. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So go defend it. How many times have you called your congressmen? Many times many letters. And unlike the Ukraine which is asking for volunteers, the Border patrol does not want your help at the border. Are you suggesting they aren't taking applications? Why haven't you applied? Or perhaps, as I've said before, you can think something is important without being willing to risk your life or jail time for it? Another brain buster for you I guess. I probably only have to say it 40 more times before it sinks in, like "no American troops in UKR". |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:34:28 PM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Doesn't change the fact that invading a country to annex it is not moral, and defending your country from said annexation is. The moral superiority of victimhood might matter to a 22yo gender-fluid fat girl majoring in lesbian studies, but it doesn’t mean shit in relation to war - except to sell you on the idea. |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:36:16 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Many times many letters. And unlike the Ukraine which is asking for volunteers, the Border patrol does not want your help at the border. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So go defend it. How many times have you called your congressmen? Many times many letters. And unlike the Ukraine which is asking for volunteers, the Border patrol does not want your help at the border. 1) It's just "Ukraine". No "the". You don't say "the Germany". 2) Ukraine is not asking for volunteers. In fact they've specifically asked volunteers to stop coming because they can't equip and mobilize them all. We've already been over that in this thread many days ago. How many more times in this thread are you going to be shown you have no idea what you're commenting on before this account goes dormant again? |
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Posted: 4/20/2022 11:38:26 PM EST
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your reading comprehension isn't great. I've said from the beginning that I did not want American troops in UKR, which is why I said you don't understand what a warmonger is, since I'm advocating we do not get troops involved. I still don't know why you didn't get that. but you finally did after 50 or times...of me saying the EXACT same thing. Even with your evasive bullshit I understood just fine. Good luck with your warmongering and trying to force everyone to adopt your point of view. You can always just continue to call everyone "Russian sympathizers" who won't jump on your bandwagon. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/warmonger warmonger noun Save Word To save this word, you'll need to log in. war·?mon·?ger | \ 'w?r-?m??-g?r , -?mä?- \ Definition of warmonger : one who urges or attempts to stir up war |
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