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Posted: 8/28/2023 1:10:27 PM EST
Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water.

If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:11:52 PM EST
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For all intensive purposes,  sure!
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:12:05 PM EST
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Water hotterer
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:13:25 PM EST
[#3]
No it isn't.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:14:33 PM EST
[#4]
boiler
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:14:43 PM EST
[#5]
Go try to buy a hot water heater. All you'll find are water heaters.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:15:22 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:15:25 PM EST
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The purpose of it is to generate hot water for direct use, as opposed to a boiler or furnace which heats water to create steam or to circulate through radiators.  It is a "heater" that produces "hot water" as such it is not redundant.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:15:59 PM EST
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It’ll heat any water cooler than its thermostat setting.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:16:08 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:16:53 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:17:31 PM EST
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For all intensive purposes porpoises, sure!
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FIFY
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:18:36 PM EST
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I want a water heater powered by magic rocks. For personal use.  

Kharn
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:19:09 PM EST
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The purpose of it is to generate hot water for direct use, as opposed to a boiler or furnace which heats water to create steam or to circulate through radiators.  It is a "heater" that produces "hot water" as such it is not redundant.
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This is my thought process as well.
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And it's not an ATM machine, but most folks don't need therapy after hearing either one.  YMMV.
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I think if ATM was mechanized it may make a sound that could strike fear into most.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:21:31 PM EST
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Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water.

If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater.
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Not if it's a tankless on demand heater.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:23:56 PM EST
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And it's not an ATM machine, but most folks don't need therapy after hearing either one.  YMMV.
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That’s a whole nother story.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:25:52 PM EST
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I could care less what you call it.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:27:39 PM EST
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Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water.

If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater.
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Your argument falls about when tankless water heaters enter the conversaion
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And it's not an ATM machine, but most folks don't need therapy after hearing either one.  YMMV.
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When you use the ATM machine, be sure no one can see you enter your PIN number.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:30:06 PM EST
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Hot water heater is a GD autism test.

The failure rate is staggering, yet observably predicable.  

Reeeeeeeereeeeeeee
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:32:55 PM EST
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Hot water heater is a GD autism test.

The failure rate is staggering, yet observably predicable.  

Reeeeeeeereeeeeeee
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Quiet you,  children are bickering here
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:37:12 PM EST
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If the water heater didn’t exist the water wouldn’t be hot. It’s a water heater.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:38:23 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:41:07 PM EST
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Lemur, please...

Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:48:04 PM EST
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This is an ATM



This is an ATM machine

Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:49:56 PM EST
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That non-logic doesn't apply to a tankless water heater.
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Reeeeeeeereeeeeeee
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It's summer in Arizona.  All water is hot. Therefore it's a hot water heater.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 1:52:49 PM EST
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If the hot water didn't have a heater keeping it hot, it wouldn't stay hot.
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Dammit man, I can't read that.
My ASHRAE books are in Freedom Units, not Maple Syrup per Moose.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:10:08 PM EST
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if you say "hot water heater", your mom and dad probably met at a family reunion.

And you also probably say VIN number...
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:11:11 PM EST
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Why would you need to heat water that was already hot ? ? ?

Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:12:59 PM EST
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My refrigerator has a cold water freezer too.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:14:48 PM EST
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It’s a water heater. Regardless of what temp the water is inside the tank, if that water is being heated, it’s heating water.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:15:29 PM EST
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Your argument falls about when tankless water heaters enter the conversaion
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Well that's a tankless water heater.

Not a tankless hot water heater. That's obviously redundant.

But saying hot water heater while referring to a tanked unit is not technically redundant nor incorrect.

Just saying.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:27:56 PM EST
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It just a water heater.

Only a Biden supporter would call it a hot water heater.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:29:08 PM EST
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Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:31:54 PM EST
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Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water.

If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater.
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Agreed.

In addition, the term also clearly defines its purpose.

What does it do?

It heats the hot water for your home's hot water service.

This is different, say, from a water heater that heats your water for a cup of tea or cocoa. Or, the heater for an outdoor pool

A home can have many water heaters.

But, the hot water heater? It's for the home's hot water supply.

Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:33:21 PM EST
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The purpose of it is to generate hot water for direct use, as opposed to a boiler or furnace which heats water to create steam or to circulate through radiators.  It is a "heater" that produces "hot water" as such it is not redundant.
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You said it far more precisely than I managed to. But, this.
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Well that's a tankless water heater.

Not a tankless hot water heater. That's obviously redundant.

But saying hot water heater while referring to a tanked unit is not technically redundant nor incorrect.

Just saying.
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Your argument falls about when tankless water heaters enter the conversaion


Well that's a tankless water heater.

Not a tankless hot water heater. That's obviously redundant.

But saying hot water heater while referring to a tanked unit is not technically redundant nor incorrect.

Just saying.



"Hot" is a relative expression and is defined by the user setting on the water heater.  Thus any water below the set temperature is not HOT and needs to be heated.

In conclusion, "Water Heater" is technically correct and adding "hot" as a description is redundant and incorrect.
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:34:14 PM EST
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I don't GAF what you call it, as long as I don't have to take a cold shower!
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:36:35 PM EST
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It’s just a water heater.  Why would you heat water that’s already hot?  
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:38:20 PM EST
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Agreed.

In addition, the term also clearly defines its purpose.

What does it do?

It heats the hot water for your home's hot water service.

This is different, say, from a water heater that heats your water for a cup of tea or cocoa. Or, the heater for an outdoor pool

A home can have many water heaters.

But, the hot water heater? It's for the home's hot water supply.

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Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water.

If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater.


Agreed.

In addition, the term also clearly defines its purpose.

What does it do?

It heats the hot water for your home's hot water service.

This is different, say, from a water heater that heats your water for a cup of tea or cocoa. Or, the heater for an outdoor pool

A home can have many water heaters.

But, the hot water heater? It's for the home's hot water supply.



What if I pour hot water into the coffee machine?  Does it now magically transform into a hot water heater?
What about a pool in summer,  does it now become a hot pool water heater?

The function is to add heat, as required, to bring water to a preset temperature.  Thus, Water Heater!
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:40:53 PM EST
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Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water.

If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater.
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No


OP, why would you heat..."hot water"?

Especially if the water that enters, per your description....is cold.

The only instance I can see this..."logic" is if the water made it to your definition or hot at 117 deg then you heated it more...and that's just not how this works.

Do you put toast in a toaster, or bread?

The heater's sole purpose is to "heat" incoming cold water, thus a "water heater"

You aren't supplying hot water to a water heater.


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Because it isn't hot enough?
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 2:43:21 PM EST
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Because it isn't hot enough?
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It's just a water heater.  Why would you heat water that's already hot?  


Because it isn't hot enough?
It's not a re-heater. The water that enters is cold, not warm or hot.

It's a "water heater" for a reason.
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What if I pour hot water into the coffee machine?  Does it now magically transform into a hot water heater?
What about a pool in summer,  does it now become a hot pool water heater?

The function is to add heat, as required, to bring water to a preset temperature.  Thus, Water Heater!
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Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water.

If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater.


Agreed.

In addition, the term also clearly defines its purpose.

What does it do?

It heats the hot water for your home's hot water service.

This is different, say, from a water heater that heats your water for a cup of tea or cocoa. Or, the heater for an outdoor pool

A home can have many water heaters.

But, the hot water heater? It's for the home's hot water supply.



What if I pour hot water into the coffee machine?  Does it now magically transform into a hot water heater?
What about a pool in summer,  does it now become a hot pool water heater?

The function is to add heat, as required, to bring water to a preset temperature.  Thus, Water Heater!


No, of course not. Did you read what I posted?

Pouring hot water into a coffee machine doesn't magically make it the device that provides your home's hot water supply.

The function is to provide a source of hot water to the home. It dose this by use of a heater. Thus, hot water heater.
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No, of course not. Did you read what I posted?

Pouring hot water into a coffee machine doesn't magically make it the device that provides your home's hot water supply.

The function is to provide a source of hot water to the home. It dose this by use of a heater. Thus, hot water heater.
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Under normal operation, cold water enters the tank, and is more or less instantly brought up to tank temp without the tank doing any work. When the tank drops to 2-3 degrees below thermostat temp, it heats the water.

If the thermostat is set to 120, it's heating the tank water when it is 117-118 degrees. 117 degree water is hot. Thus, it is a hot water heater.


Agreed.

In addition, the term also clearly defines its purpose.

What does it do?

It heats the hot water for your home's hot water service.

This is different, say, from a water heater that heats your water for a cup of tea or cocoa. Or, the heater for an outdoor pool

A home can have many water heaters.

But, the hot water heater? It's for the home's hot water supply.



What if I pour hot water into the coffee machine?  Does it now magically transform into a hot water heater?
What about a pool in summer,  does it now become a hot pool water heater?

The function is to add heat, as required, to bring water to a preset temperature.  Thus, Water Heater!


No, of course not. Did you read what I posted?

Pouring hot water into a coffee machine doesn't magically make it the device that provides your home's hot water supply.

The function is to provide a source of hot water to the home. It dose this by use of a heater. Thus, hot water heater.


Then the function would be a Hot Water Source would it not?  Or if the function is to heat the water,  then... Water Heater?
Link Posted: 8/28/2023 3:07:31 PM EST
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Dam son, dats a fine ass water heater!
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