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Posted: 3/12/2021 9:09:38 AM EDT
No this isn’t a “bury all your guns” thread. It’s a keep most of your guns handy and bury/stash a few in a secret place thread.
There will be instances when people are going to get visits at work, stopped when they leave the house, have a spouse or family member surrender them when your not present, etc. It will happen when people are separated from their homes/firearms....even if your the “give them the bullets first” type. This isn’t “hide all your guns”. It’s be smart/prepared and hide A gun or two in case you are relieved of them. |
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Guns are icky, and what kind of terrorist would own more than one for hunting purposes?!
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I fudded and boomered and sold most of mine in the great panic of 21.
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Meh, if you wasn't getting your go-to stuff "off the books" by now I fear it's getting too late......It takes a while.
I've Been Saying it |
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Not too worried. If they take my 20 or so that I bought through dealers I still have over 100 hidden around.
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I've been selling my papered guns off steadily for the past year. Had too many anyway. At my age you have to start letting stuff go sooner or later. Might as well be now.
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Hopefully this will be resolved long before that happens OP, but were are running out of boxes to use.
The attack on legal gun owners needs to end, no new laws, repeal of infringing laws. We are not the problem, criminals are. |
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They can come for my NFA stuff, but everything else went in the smelter due to woke...
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It’s cool. I got a plan. When the dog dies, I’m going to have him stuffed with tannerite and set up in the living room.
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Glad I only browsed at firearms before and never purchased any. They’re gross.
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I sold them to a dude that drove a burgundy Camry, thats all i remember.
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dealers are required to hold 4473 for 20 yrs after that they can be destroyed, I hope they are destroying as they become eligible like they should be.
It would take thousands of years for the government to take those forms from dealers and put it in a modern data base |
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Quoted: dealers are required to hold 4473 for 20 yrs after that they can be destroyed, I hope they are destroying as they become eligible like they should be. It would take thousands of years for the government to take those forms from dealers and put it in a modern data base View Quote NVM |
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You don't respond when they come for your guns, you respond when they come for your neighbors.
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The fact we are at this point, and too disorganized to even protest it, et alone fight it, makes me both angry and sad.
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Quoted: dealers are required to hold 4473 for 20 yrs after that they can be destroyed, I hope they are destroying as they become eligible like they should be. It would take thousands of years for the government to take those forms from dealers and put it in a modern data base View Quote During IOI inspections they are digitizing them, when an FFL goes out of business they are required to send them to ATF and then they are digitized. Do not think they don't have records. 07's have to fill out an AMFER every year stating how many guns and what type are produced, and they cross reference that. |
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Only one problem the dealer shuts his doors all records are sent to ATF
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Sold all mine. Just kept a bolt gun and a 16 gauge for home protection.
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I've been selling mine to scared liberals at super inflated prices. I don't feel bad for a second.
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I agree. Does anyone remember the original Red Dawn movie? Even the writers of that knew what a Form 4473 was and how they can be used.
The Cuban Colonel named Bella orders the KGB to retrieve the local sporting good’s store records of gun sales on the ATF Form 4473. These list which citizens have purchased what firearms, and where they live. Eventually they rounded every firearm owner up and executed them as these citizens would be the most likely to resist any foreign occupation. Red Dawn Gun Control.avi |
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Once again people underestimate the Power of the State once you're in its crosshairs.
They're not just going to show up one day, they will be monitoring and surveilling you, your family, your property, your known associates for weeks, months, maybe years. Especially with drones they can monitor what they want, when they want. Internet usage, purchase history, and plenty of others to rat you out will give them a complete picture of what you have. Your buried home-made glock and 80% AR isn't going to help you, and odds are they will destroy everything you have to ensure they find them. In fact, because they're not idiots and I am certain boards like this with threads like this is monitored by Feds they will presume you have hidden guns, that's why things like VPN with burner cards, delivery to a PO Box with no paper trail and buried off-site isn't likely to succeed, even if you somehow manage to evade them finding it do you think they will just turn you loose and not follow you like a hawk then pinch you when you go to dig them up? The only chance to avoid detection was maybe a decade ago if you paid cash for parts at some show, presuming the Alphabet Boys wasn't there recording license plates. They've been playing The Long Game. |
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Quoted: Quoted: It would take thousands of years for the government to take those forms from dealers and put it in a modern data base Lol, no. This. They did it with the patent office about 25 years ago. They had quite the operation going digitizing ALL the patents. |
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Some of us have better training than the law dogs
When they show up at those particular houses to confiscate anything they are going to have a really, really bad day |
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Quoted: Quoted: It would take thousands of years for the government to take those forms from dealers and put it in a modern data base Lol, no. Two guys spent about four days on it. We now have a searchable file on a little USB stick that stored all the data formerly contained within literally tons of paper. It would be a trivial matter for the feds to do the same and they probably already have with records surrendered by defunct FFLs. |
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Quoted: Quoted: It would take thousands of years for the government to take those forms from dealers and put it in a modern data base Lol, no. Owe the IRS unpaid money and see how fast they send you a letter. When the .gov wants to f*ck you, they can be fast. They are on a mission. |
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Do you even realize how inept the government is full of bureaucracy it is. These aren't the sharpest crayons in the box. Paid by the hour, and other things on their minds. They make drugs and crimes against the law and that doesn't happen anymore right? Don't hide your guns but don't have any empty magazines either. Change the combination on your safe. Practice as much as you can. Take care and don't be alone.
Choose Jesus to be your Lord and Savior and this wisp of time will be little throughout eternity. |
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Quoted: I agree. Does anyone remember the original Red Dawn movie? Even the writers of that knew what a Form 4473 was and how they can be used. The Cuban Colonel named Bella orders the KGB to retrieve the local sporting good’s store records of gun sales on the ATF Form 4473. These list which citizens have purchased what firearms, and where they live. Eventually they rounded every firearm owner up and executed them as these citizens would be the most likely to resist any foreign occupation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OaF-j8x5Vc View Quote I believe the Russians did this after the 1918 revolution for the same reasons. kwg |
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Quoted: Once again people underestimate the Power of the State once you're in its crosshairs. They're not just going to show up one day, they will be monitoring and surveilling you, your family, your property, your known associates for weeks, months, maybe years. Especially with drones they can monitor what they want, when they want. Internet usage, purchase history, and plenty of others to rat you out will give them a complete picture of what you have. Your buried home-made glock and 80% AR isn't going to help you, and odds are they will destroy everything you have to ensure they find them. In fact, because they're not idiots and I am certain boards like this with threads like this is monitored by Feds they will presume you have hidden guns, that's why things like VPN with burner cards, delivery to a PO Box with no paper trail and buried off-site isn't likely to succeed, even if you somehow manage to evade them finding it do you think they will just turn you loose and not follow you like a hawk then pinch you when you go to dig them up? The only chance to avoid detection was maybe a decade ago if you paid cash for parts at some show, presuming the Alphabet Boys wasn't there recording license plates. They've been playing The Long Game. View Quote |
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Quoted: I'm not a pussy, I don't plan on giving anything up... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes They let people bond out of jail (even for murder/manslaughter). If you survive the battle, you're still in the game. Never give up. Quoted: Once again people underestimate the Power of the State once you're in its crosshairs. ...even if you somehow manage to evade them finding it do you think they will just turn you loose and not follow you like a hawk then pinch you when you go to dig them up? All kinds of truly horrible people bond out of jail for felonies every day... They aren't followed. Government(s) have many amazing capabilities but most are not good/thorough at their jobs so I wouldn't get too paranoid about "what-ifs" that simply don't match the observed norms. Learn about counter-surveillance so it won't matter if they decide to follow you. The only chance to avoid detection was maybe a decade ago if you paid cash for parts at some show, presuming the Alphabet Boys wasn't there recording license plates. They've been playing The Long Game. |
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LOL at "non-papered guns"
If we get to a point where that matters, then we are past the point of it mattering. So what if they take (by whatever means they can) anything you 4473'd? Then what? Take your illegal, not turned in, not registered AR and do WHAT with it? COC? It will be WAY too late by then...hell, its too late now. |
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Sold mine to a sketchy looking guy at a gun show parking lot back in '19. It was still legal then, using that "loophole". Didn't get his name, or info, sadly.
Shame. But, if I had any, I'd take your advice OP. |
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